The Syndicate

wow I'm surprised how many days I survived after being outed. This was fun and a good learning experience. Till next time.

Bullzeye wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Lizzy wrote:Search me...

One other person I was eyeing, but felt like carp about it because I've done the same in the other game, is Bullz. :\ It's his comments on my take on the SK and then his very dubious vote for me that made me see him as Boo's equivalent in the sisters.
You said the SK was civ-friendly, I disagreed. What's wrong with that? Calling SK's civ-friendly is like calling cigarettes lung-friendly. Also I kinda think the SK might be dead (or a non-traditional SK, I could see Epi labelling someone as a Serial Killer and not making them a typical LMS role) anyway since we've never seen them actually kill anybody.
It was your phrasing and the reasoning here...

Just in case I forget, I'm throwing my vote on Lizzy. Her comments about SK's really caught my eye, it seemed like she was almost trying to encourage people to leave the SK alive. I see no reason why a civ would suggest such a thing.

... that bugged the hell out me.
In all fairness your comment bugged the hell out of me too, hence the vote I haven't seen anything else from you that's caught my eye though tbh, for that little while I thought you could be a sneaky SK but now I doubt it. I don't see you, or anyone really, holding off a kill for 8 nights.

I think the sk is dead or was a replacement due to inactivity

birdwithteeth11 wrote:So John, did you have a reason for voting me, or did you prefer to do it as a fly-by?

Because I knew no one else would vote for you and I needed to try and stay alive. I really don't know who to vote for at this point because we have had too many ties and I am tired of them quite frankly. I may change my vote late but I felt you where a good placeholder.

Going mongoose so that I have a better chance to survive and hopefully we can not have another tie.

FZ. wrote:Another funny thing. jj is really busy to say anything, yet he has time to check the results and vote for a letter. Interesting...

I am getting a little more access to wifi and free time than I was expecting. I can't guarantee that I will continue to be able to pay attention but I wanted it out there that I am busy getting used to a new place. the people here move at such a slower pace and it is so nice to never be in a rush, except their driving.

How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

Like I said earlier I was traveling but now I am getting used to being in saudi that is why I have not been messaging. I am probably not going to be very active the next few days so it might be easier for everyone to lynch me.

Going boo so that I can try to stay in the game and because svs is giving the best argument for someone that already has a vote.

Elohcin wrote:I changed my vote to Mongoose. I will change it back to JJ if it looks like he could be lynched b/c I really think he needs to go. But, if no one else votes for him, I am keeping my vote for Mongoose.

Why must I really go? It may be my naivety with regards to mafia but I do not understand why? Maybe you can bring some people to your train of thought while I am educated so I know how to better communicate in future games. I do not believe I have done anything to point me as being good, bad, or neutral.

Going with the prison classic and working in the plate shop.

FZ. wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Voted JJJJ before I forget. Not really buying the case on Rey yet.
Mongoose, knowing what llama was, why do you think he kept voting for you?

Based on how llama acted I would assume mongoose was a baddie. I would vote him but as of now I have to try to keep it at least tied up

Mongoose wrote:I'm so confused. Are we in Day 5? The subject line has jumped back and forth from Night 4 to Day 5 and back again a couple of times, but I don't see a host post (describing who got NK'd, etc.)

Aren't we still in Night 4?

Day 5 and it has been extended to 48 hrs.

FZ. wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
FZ. wrote:Question:
How do you think Norton would go about looking for the contraband? What would be his strategy?
If it was me I'd check the people who seemed in the thread to be most trusted, as they'd presumably be the ones being sent stuff.
Thanks for answering. Not sure I get the logic. Why would the most trusted be the ones getting the stuff? It seems BWT was the most trusted, at least judging by that vote the other night. Do you think it's because he got something?

It would be the most trusted because it confers a benefit and why would red want to give that to someone who he sees as a baddie?

It would be helpful to know how often red gets shipments and how much he gets but I am under the assumption that it is a secret.

It is possible either red was night killed or is continually blocked.
Elmo I think was the replacement, or one of the night killed. It would be a bad situation for the replacement to be if they are Elmo because if he kills people it strongly points at them, but then they could always hold onto the kills until later in the game to withhold the info.

Warden Samuel Norton
“Put your trust in the Lord; your ass belongs to me.”
Searches for contraband. If he finds it, he confiscates all of it and sends the possessor to the hole- one phase for each item confiscated. Someone in the hole is silenced, may not vote, and is blocked.

Elohcin wrote: I thought Lllama and was wrong. I am now thinking maybe rey/Sorsha. I have been saying JJ was a sister for days and the Sisters had ample opportunity to kill me and have not. So...maybe it is b/c Bogs was inactive. Sorsha is not lynchable right now....so I will vote for JJ and I encourage you all to do that as well.

Epignosis wrote:
Vompatti has been killed by Bogs Diamond. It is now Day 5. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

So Boggs has been inactive?

I have been accused of being a sister with llama and pm but both turned out to not be. What makes people think I am a sister with these people?

Boo makes a good case voting ray.

I am going to be traveling the 25th-28th. I am finally on my way to saudi so I am not sure how consistent my internet connection is going to be so I may miss a vote but I think the hotels and airlines will have wifi.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Low blow to kill me on my vacation guys. Voting vomps for self-defense.
Did you notice that you end up never voting for Mongoose after suspecting her every time?

I voted mongoose originally but I did not want another tie.

johns2jj wrote:Do the dead still get to vote? MR

Epignosis wrote:I tried to correct an issue with the poll. It erased the votes. Please vote again.

If you have already stated a vote in the thread, it will be counted, but please vote again if you can to make my life easier. Thanks.

FZ. wrote:
johns2jj wrote:I went back in another tab I had open on my phone and when I changed my votes it was

Lama voted mongoose

Elochin boo and myself voted lama

Vomp and mongoose voted Vomp

Epignosis and mr voted raskolnikov

I took a picture if someone wants it later
MR is dead, isn't he?

I think that is why it all got reset. If you see my earlier post I asked if the dead can still vote then we where notified about a recite being needed.

I went back in another tab I had open on my phone and when I changed my votes it was

Lama voted mongoose

Elochin boo and myself voted lama

Vomp and mongoose voted Vomp

Epignosis and mr voted raskolnikov

I took a picture if someone wants it later

boo wrote:
FZ. wrote:Does anyone know where the tally is standing right now? Who has what votes?

I think llama voted Mongoose and so did someone else. Mongoose voted for Vomp, and so did he himself. Did anyone else vote him? I think two people voted for llama. Who were they? And are there other votes not shown in the poll?
It was 2-2-2. llama and john voted Mongoose, eloh and I (and now BWT) voted llama, and vomps and mongoose voted vomps.

So, currently 3 votes on llama, 2 on Mongoose, 2 on vomps, and 1 on SVS.

All that assuming that no one had voted without posting.

That all sounds about right except I changed to llama to break a tie that occurred earlier but realized I did not say in the thread who I was changing it to.

Do the dead still get to vote? MR

FZ. wrote:
johns2jj wrote:Randomized for now to vote mongoose. Will come back later most likely to change vote but just in case I wanted to get it out of the way.
Is this a code for I found something out?
I 'm kind of struggling here because you all play quite differently than I'm used to. Why would you randomize a vote after so many days, and how the hell does Mongoose get the randomized votes in every game...
If you think someone is suspicious and you're afraid you won't make it to vote again, why not vote them, and decide later if you want to change your mind. This either makes you suspicious in my eyes, or makes me think you have something on her and using the "randomized" vote as an excuse. If it's the latter, I'd expect you to convince us to vote her as well, so I'm going with suspicious, and might vote for you.

It was randomized among those I considered likely to be a baddie. Does that sound better?

I am switching so there is not another tie.

Randomized for now to vote mongoose. Will come back later most likely to change vote but just in case I wanted to get it out of the way.

Vompatti wrote:As far as I know Lizzy is a confirmed civvie.

Is it something I have missed? How do you confirm someone as a civilian?

Dom wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Post your favorite Bible verse. State why. Argue.
"Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)
Reminds me of how sexist religion tends to be. And makes me sick.
Call me old fashion, but I don't mind not being head of the household. I am happy to submit (most of the time ) I enjoy my wifely/motherly role. It is what I've always aspired to do.
And that's fine! But not all women should be subject to that if they do not wish to. That's my point.

with how society is moving towards androgyne and the easing of gender roles people are going to stop acting out roles and start being themselves. Or so I believe.

Dom wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Post your favorite Bible verse. State why. Argue.
"Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)
Reminds me of how sexist religion tends to be. And makes me sick.
Call me old fashion, but I don't mind not being head of the household. I am happy to submit (most of the time ) I enjoy my wifely/motherly role. It is what I've always aspired to do.
And that's fine! But not all women should be subject to that if they do not wish to. That's my point.

Elohcin wrote:We're getting close to the end of the day and it looks like Thomas is not going to show up and that he will most definitely being lynched. So...I am going to change my vote to JJ. He hasn't been as active lately and I am curious why. Maybe his baddie teammates are telling him to lay low.

I have accepted a job in another country and am leaving after christmas so I have been spending some time with my wife and we went on a trip to Gatlinburg TN for a few days so I have not been able to be as active.

I also have not seen any messages that required my response unlike in the begining.

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." (Psalm 137:9)

Just because I like quoting things out of context

thellama73 wrote:I honestly can't believe people are jumping out and voting for me today, of all the other suspicious people out there. It's odd considering that just hours ago people were saying how civ they thought I was. I am surprised and disappointed with you, SVS, and I just don't trust boo at all. I urge the other players not to let this turn into a bandwagon on me.

Other suspicious people. Hmm I'm voting you.

Could you imagine if parol was really decided by the inmates?

Ok going to switch to MR instead of MP as it seems others have more to go on than I did with MP. My vote should tip the scales to nearly guaranteeing his linch.

Following my gut and voting MP. If I am not too busy I will come back later and rethink based on what is said here.

First game ever.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not sure what I think about llama v. Mongoose here, though I believe I am seeing civvie llama if I had to guess.

Llama, what do you think of Nev?

johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
I understand, no worries. Mistakes happen.

I'm not completely convinced you're bad; your response here reads genuine to me. I'm willing to give you the BOTD for now, but at the time it really felt like you were just twisting my words, and I get all worked up when I think someone is twisting my words because I don't think any civvie in their right mind would do that.

Why do you think I'm bad?

And why do you think you would be a target for the Warden?

As of now it is an unfounded hunch. I would of been an easy target as I more or less admitted I had contraband and that is what allows his power to work.

After a short bout with MP in the library I am forced to take Elmer Gantry.

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?
Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.

I used it during a day period and it is a bonus. That should limit what it does.
I think it made your vote worth more, causing me to tie Lizzy, and that's why there was no lynch. That's really mean of you. What did I ever do to you?

You wished anhedonia upon me.

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?
Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.

I used it during a day period and it is a bonus. That should limit what it does.

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?

Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?

MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?
The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.

So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Bullzeye wrote:johns2jj haven't come up with a good way to abbreviate that yet!

JJ works but I am starting to like john jacob jingleheimer thing as it uses my real initials.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?

Not so sure how the giving out info from pm rule applies so take that statement as you will. May give a more direct answer later if I don't feel like it will break a rule.

thellama73 wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Elephant in the room: Mongoose's joking gchat post. I've been lynched bad for similar behavior, so I'm not forming an opinion on this until a response is given by Mongoose.

Full disclosure: Mongoose and I are good friends IRL and talk constantly on gchat. We never violate mafia BTSC rules though and I do not have BTSC with her this game. I'm not trying to defend her, because I am thinking about voting for her today too (it is not like her to miss a vote) but I just thought you should know.

The way I am reading this is that you may have some kind of BTSC so for now I am going to vote you, we will see if it is worth changing later

johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Alright, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. You had your chance, now you have my vote. Here is a list of words I suggest you look up in a dictionary and commit to memory, as they may come in handy during the course of our future interactions.
-Vendetta
-Nemesis
-Defeat
-Ruin
-Nervous Breakdown
-Alcoholism
-Anhedonia
-Quitting Mafia Forever With a Crushing Sense of Shame and Regret
If my votes for you prove to be this interesting I may have to keep voting for you.

Oh and I actually had to look up Anhedonia so thanks for the interesting fact of the day.

thellama73 wrote:Alright, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. You had your chance, now you have my vote. Here is a list of words I suggest you look up in a dictionary and commit to memory, as they may come in handy during the course of our future interactions.
-Vendetta
-Nemesis
-Defeat
-Ruin
-Nervous Breakdown
-Alcoholism
-Anhedonia
-Quitting Mafia Forever With a Crushing Sense of Shame and Regret

If my votes for you prove to be this interesting I may have to keep voting for you.

FZ. wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I kinda would like a tie for this poll, it's so vague. It's not too late for those of you who voted for those with multiple votes to change
It would be interesting. But if my theory is correct then only one person would win the bet and find out who Fat Ass is.

I think I will vote for FZ (for now) since he voted for me.
What kind of prize is that?
And by the way, what is a contraband?

Yes I asked earlier because as it is now it just looks like a liability.

So what does the contraband do? Is it currency, or just a liability for those with it, or something else?

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