The Syndicate

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:35 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:29 am I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?
I wanted to lynch Dragomir yesterday, but I was happy with Long Con dying especially after their self vote. I was pushing a counterwagon to leetic, and had leetic as hard town in all of my read lists rather than a town lean or anything. If somebody self votes, it means they believe they are the best lynch. So, I should also believe they are the best lynch, because a towny will usually believe they are not the best lynch being guaranteed town. If you do not like policy lynches, then this would make less sense to you, probably.

Sounds like following the letter of the law and not the spirit of it. The game is rarely so cut and dry. I feel like you're only taking this stance because it suits your agenda.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:32 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:30 am @Turnip Head why did you stay on tedxtr?
Why didn't you join me?
Because I had him as a town read, and also because moving my vote would have done nothing to avoid a tie. You could have broken the tie.

Well I wasn't going to vote leetic just to save an imploding LC, I liked leetic as town. My preferred wagon was only 1 vote behind.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:30 am @Turnip Head why did you stay on tedxtr?

Why didn't you join me?

Self voting isn't exactly a heads up play but it's also not an automatic death sentence. Sounds like an overly extreme stance, much like the play itself

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:02 am i feel a little bad for voicing it so loudly now.

What is your general impression of that lynch now that we've had 24 hours to stew in it?
If somebody self votes, they should just always be the lynch. For anyone who is vaguely aware of leetic they were safely within their town meta anyway. I still think Long Con should die even if they are overwhelmingly likely to just be town with how things stacked up.

I don't recall you pushing leetic being in his town meta before the lynch was over. Is this hindsight or "I told you so?" And why should long con die if he's overwhelmingly likely to be town?

Feels like LC knew he would survive, or else why do that? The lynch was almost over

There's still plenty of room on the ted wagon

This kind of defeatism always ends in a civilian lynch

I think our long con is broken, maybe we can exchange it for a newer model

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:34 pm Way too much omgus in this game.
I'm more in OMGIS mode right now. [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Did you eat a bowl of radioactive cornflakes?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:14 pm I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either
So what are you going to do about it?

Well ideally we lynch ted first

I dug into leetic's ISO. He's got a good vibe to start with and his points don't seem underhanded or opportunistic, but that vibe sort of deteriorates as the day goes on, which could be a reaction to him getting votes. At one point he makes a point-for-point attack on ted which I found to be a little extra but I generally like the case.

He also made a really interesting point that got lost in the early game:

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

This exchange looks sketchy on Mikey tbh

I came out of leetic's ISO feeling good about his early game and kind of questioning his vibe change later on, and I like his points about ted. I don't think I want to lynch leetic.

I think funnygurl has too much town cred compared to her contributions. I can tone-read her as town but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Her defense of tedextr doesn't come across as completely genuine to me, either

Mikey why are you off-wagon? I don't see you pushing Drago the same way you pushed Sloonei to start the game

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 pm I’ve always been top wagon

But this is patently false

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm Like this is fucking ludicrous, everyone but me is getting pushed, Long Con is pushed, TSP is pushed, Speedchuck is pushed, and I’m still being top wagon, TH is pushed

Fucking read the game state correctly, MY WAGON IS A PAGE 2 THING AND IT HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT
I'd like to read the game state correctly but I'm afraid you'll just yell at me

You've never been top wagon, you are overreacting
So me not being top wagon justifies your vote on me or what? Bro, what are you doing on my wagon

Dude I fucking love it on this wagon. Fucking love it.

Okay well I guess it's at least close

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm Like this is fucking ludicrous, everyone but me is getting pushed, Long Con is pushed, TSP is pushed, Speedchuck is pushed, and I’m still being top wagon, TH is pushed

Fucking read the game state correctly, MY WAGON IS A PAGE 2 THING AND IT HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT

I'd like to read the game state correctly but I'm afraid you'll just yell at me

You've never been top wagon, you are overreacting

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further
steady the boat that is already rocking then.
That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.
It’s page 22, you’re voting a wagon that peaked on a page 2 case and never moved on without having any reason to vote there, you can eat the noose.

I don't even know what the case is against you but I I feel safe here. I basically trust no one, as far as I can tell anyone but probably Master Radishes could be bad and I wouldn't be the least bit shocked. Usually I have some townreads at this point.

Can't say that post you linked sways me into reading ted as bad, seems like a reasonable question on his end

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further
steady the boat that is already rocking then.

That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.

As if the boat needs to be rocked further

[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

This wagon has the purest votes from my POV. The other wagons just look trigger happy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:41 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm Sloonei vote camping off wagon for so long on a person he has no chance of lynching and hasn't even actually tried to lynch has slowly drained me of all my good will towards him.
I’m only half here today
Talk to me Sloon. You're the most level headed person here. What's going on?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm Sloonei vote camping off wagon for so long on a person he has no chance of lynching and hasn't even actually tried to lynch has slowly drained me of all my good will towards him.
I’m only half here today

Talk to me Sloon. You're the most level headed person here. What's going on?

Let's all take a moment to breathe

This game had actual logic to it for the first 48 hours and now idk what's going on is it a full moon or something

Go ahead and hammer me. My voters are going to look suspicious as fuck after I flip

What the hell...

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:43 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.
Why?
Because I always just play how I play, I don't try to play differently, or the same, I just do whatever comes to mind. I thought I'd see what Drago was saying about you held up, but it was really just a trap he was setting, and I was the idiot who fell for it. After I said I don't dance. Shameful.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.

Why?

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?

Maybe when I'm not on mobile and can find good examples

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:26 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Would you consider voting for him?

I'm mostly just confused

Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Well he kind of is, but usually he's a lovable jerk. I'm not feelin it so far. He's trying so hard to be a jerk lol

Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered
What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

Leetic feels cornered

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:23 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 pm The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now
I've given epi a pass so far in here. My game just had a deadline and he was heavily involved there. We've got ~48 hours left here. He'll show up.
Fuckin' A.

Does your wife know about A?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

Not to say that I don't agree or that my philosophy hasn't evolved either, I'm just surprised.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.
Tell me more
The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred
From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.

The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad
But is it hard to view him through the lens that he's good?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:12 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists
What if we’re both town?

Then the game is more boring so far

Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum

Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched

I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists

MadDougall

Unlike yours truly who is still working two jobs six days a week

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