The Syndicate

Talk to me about why you're voting for Matt, Tranq.

I will say I briefly had a specific role in mind for the marmot that I'm no longer sure about.

S~V~S wrote:I am also suspecting you based on surviving that lynch

Well you shouldn't. It had nothing to do with my role or anyone else's role.

Re: Matt, I see the point you're making about him never voting for me. But if you don't only look at votes and read the thread, I think it makes sense he votes for MM over me. He thinks MM is Dr. Dre and turned me evil or something, so he has to get MM lynched to prove that theory. In your words, he's not putting the cart before the horse.

And if you read the thread I think you'll find i disagree with Matt on that point. In fact I disagree with Matt on most of his points. And the only connection we have is that we've suspected one another. Maybe it's WIFOM to say you have your tinfoil hat on too tight, but you do.

I also don't understand your theory about Matt throwing timmer under the bus when it looks like Matt was the first to bring up the most damning point about timmer. Maybe it was three days too late or something, which iirc was something Matt openly admitted to, if he was on the same team as timmer why would he admit that? (Oh snap is that wifom) But if Matt hadn't brought it up I dont think timmer woukd have received so many subsequent votes, your own included. But you'll have to fill me in on how the above makes me bad with Matt and timmer in your mind. How do those actions read as "a save of TH" when you think Matt bussed timmer?

If you'd like to accuse me of something based on my actions, I'm all ears. It would certainly be refreshing.

You are accusing me based on MATT's actions and TIMMER's actions, and Matt is accusing me based on DR. DRE's actions, and Tranq is accusing me based on WILGY's actions.

I don't really know how to defend myself from other people's actions without using WIFOM

Matt thinks I'm bad because Dr. Dre experimented on me.
Tranq thinks I'm bad because Wilgy didn't vote for me.
SVS thinks I'm bad because timmer voted for me and I survived (and also says all my defenses have been WIFOM... I'd love to hear how you'd defend against these accusations differently).
Golden thinks I'm bad because... I actually have no idea why Golden thinks I'm bad.

Did I miss anything?

Golden wrote:I also specifically believe either timmer or Matt F is responsible for the death of timmer 1.0. I hadn't thought about this in a while, but it makes me realise that even if Timmer is good, Matt must be bad. In fact, in a perverse way, Matt is more likely to be good if timmer is bad. Matt is possibly bad either way.

Like what are you even talking about Golden? What does this paragraph even mean?

And how do you come up with Matt and I being teammates? Lol he's been going after me for damn near half the game. Good luck getting that theory to make any sense.

Yeah I guess I'm bad huh An obvious baddie votes for me, I save myself from dying, therefore I'm bad. Makes sense.

Because why bring up that my teammate should have voted for me?

If you can't see how that would be a stupid thing for me to say if I'm Wilgy's teammate, I don't know what to tell you.

I think Matt is adrift on a lonely island, trying to rub two twigs together to make a fire.

Tranq wrote:My point is you went from "doesn't remind me of his civ game" Day 8 (which sounds like you don't think he's civ) to "he's an enigma" Day 9 (which sounds like you have no read on him). Sounds like your suspicion on him had decreased when he got closer to actually getting lynched.

He did not remind me of his civ game, and I couldn't figure out why he was playing such a reckless game. Even baddies try to conform to their civ metas. Wilgy didn't try to do that IMO. I couldn't figure out his angle.

Tranq wrote:The poison thing. Could you help me read it correctly as this is getting confusing. I went through your posts and couldn't find where you said Wilgy should've voted you to save himself.

I was talking directly to Golden when I said this, in response to something Golden said about Wilgy voting for him. You picked up on the rest of my hints so I'm not sure why this one is eluding you.

Tranq wrote:Are you saying if you were on a team with Wilgy, you would've kept quiet and allowed yourself to be lynched instead?

No, that is not what I'm saying.

Tranq wrote:Tbh i don't know what to make of you knowing you'd survive a lynch after all of this

Indeed

Did you think I was poisoned when you voted for me, Tranq?

Matt wrote:I think I'm making the point.

This game is different then a regular game. It's a map game. It says don't discuss map btsc, don't discuss specific map coordinates. It actually encourages us to speak about map locations, though, if we want!! Haha! Didn't even realize that until now.

There's no rule against roleclaiming either. Should we all claim roles en masse? That would be helpful right?

Yup

I think it's important that subtlety does not lose its place in mafia.

I suspect this lynch is fucked up

lol

Tranq wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Hope everyone had a yummy Thanksgiving.

Tranq Let me ask you this. If I was a baddie with Wilgy and poisoned, why would I even say anything about how he should have voted for me to save himself? What is the benefit for me putting that in the thread?

Golden, why are you voting for me?

Eh? You never said such a thing
My thought is you hinted at being poisoned because you didn't want any more votes. You had 1 vote from Golden. I'd guess a 2nd vote on you would've gotten you lynched. The fact that DrWilgy didn't vote for you (it would've saved his life) is what makes me think you're on his Circle team. DrWilgy was going down no matter what. Even if he saved himself by voting for you, he would've still be lynched next as he was a Cabal suspect. So rather than letting 2 members be lynched in a row, he wasted his vote on Golden while buying you some time to find a cure. It's also possible he somehow knew Golden was poisoned aswell, but i think that's just a coincidence.

Another reason i'm ok with leaving my vote as it is atm is your thoughts on DrWilgy went from "doesn't remind me of his civ game" during the Floyd lynch, to "he's an enigma" when DrWilgy started getting votes the next day:

Day 8:

Turnip Head wrote:Wilgy doesn't remind me at all of how he played in Recruitment IV, the only other game I played with him (he was civ). He was jokey and OT in that game, but he still had solid contributions. He doesn't seem to be taking this game seriously. His post history is sparse on content, OT or otherwise.

Day 9:

Turnip Head wrote:I agree with you about splintsy and to a lesser extent Bass. What do you see in Wilgy? He's a bit of an enigma to me.

Wilgy did not remind me of his civ game in Revruitment IV. He was also playing extremely carelessly. I don't understand what point you're making about what I said here.

As far as the hinting at poison thing, you are not reading the situation correctly. You say I didn't say something that I did in fact say, so go back and read my posts within the context of the thread. If I was on a team with Wilgy I would not have said anything at all.

You are indeed paraphrasing re: my vote for Marsh, I didn't say "ummmm nope" I said I might move my vote, and I did, to vote for juliets.

Considering that you just voted Marsh but say you will decide if you want to vote elsewhere, you're essentially saying the same thing I said.

S~V~S wrote:I am not totally grasping the TH suspicion; TH, could you tell me why you think people suspect you?

SVS, as far as I can tell these are the cases against me. Matt F suspects me because he saw MM in the same square as my corpse, and you'd have to ask him why that leads to thinking I'm bad. He also thinks I could be on the juliets team because I went after juliets hard but didn't vote her until late on the day she died, and because I didn't suspect Floyd, which is a pretty cynical way to look at that situation. Golden voted for me yesterday because he thinks "Dr. Dre is the most malevolent threat in the game", and he didn't give a reason today, so you'd have to ask Golden. Tranq suspects me because I said that Wilgy should have voted for me if he wanted to survive yesterday, and you'd have to ask Tranq why he thinks I would say that if I'm on a team with Wilgy.

So you can take your pick of those, I've been accused of everything under the sun so far. I've asked all three to elaborate on their thoughts and haven't gotten very far.

I could go either way on that point. I didn't agree with him about the two lynches thing but I don't think he's necessarily bad for having that point of view.

I wonder if Bass genuinely doesn't know what the case against him is because he hasn't read :P But boiling it down to being a low poster is inaccurate and no excuse. My biggest concerns with him are still his vaguely justified Canuck vote and now the fact that he won't tell us who he thinks is bad except to NO U Sorsha.

Hope everyone had a yummy Thanksgiving.

Tranq Let me ask you this. If I was a baddie with Wilgy and poisoned, why would I even say anything about how he should have voted for me to save himself? What is the benefit for me putting that in the thread?

Golden, why are you voting for me?

timmer who do you think is bad?

Golden wrote:Well, TH, perhaps you could be clear about what the point was?

I could, Golden.

I don't really have any thoughts on timmer, he is always a difficult player for me to read and he hasn't posted much. I think it's possible he's telling the truth, I can vouch that there are items with fucked up purposes. The rest of the case against him seems based on map happenings that I can't corroborate, and Golden seems to have slowed his roll with those accusations anyways.

You are missing the point of why I hinted at what I did and what it could tell me about other players in that moment. And I don't think this is finished being played out either.

I mean that you voted very quickly yesterday, and today you have not.

Golden wrote: I don't intend to vote for LoRab today.

Who do you intend to vote for? You were not so deliberate yesterday.

Tranq wrote:Or you and DrWilgy are on the Circle together and decided it would be better to get DrWilgy lynched, rather than you getting poison-lynched first followed by DrWilgy's lynch. DrWilgy saving himself by voting you wouldn't have prevented his lynch the following day as he mostly was a Cabal suspect anyway.

/theory

That is certainly a theory.

I doubt I would have even said anything if that were the case.

Tranq wrote:So why didn't DrWilgy vote for you?

That was exactly my point about Wilgy. If he was Witherdeath he would have. If he was Circle I tried to not be overt about anything until the after the lynch was over.

Tranq wrote:Yesterday you hinted at having been poisoned (Night 1 if Golden is correct). Do you think a mafia team with most of their members still alive would've caught those hints?

Yes.

Tranq wrote:Matt, i'm with TH on this. I don't think he's a Cabal member.

@ TH: How many players do you think the Circle of Decay has atm?

I think they have lost one or two members at most.

Who do you think Dom is, Matt, and did you arrive at that conclusion before or after the night post?

I'm not convinced you've actually read my posts about juliets.

I was the one who said that. Epi was on the square the night that I "died", and MM was there when I woke back up.

Matt F wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I implore you to actually read my posts and then tell me I could "easily be a teamie" of juliets.

I will reread you again. Do me a favor. Admit it's possible that a teamie of hers would push her into a tie knowing she would survive a lynch.

Anything is possible. Will you admit that there's a lot more to my interaction with juliets than just my vote for her?

Matt F wrote:And again, please answer. Do you or do you not think we should utilize every bit of information we have (map based or not) to catch baddies? If you do think we should do this, then why did you just tell me not to use map reasons?

Because I know your map based reasoning is incomplete and inaccurate. You saw one thing happen and extrapolated a days-long case from it when there were many variables you simply did not consider because you didn't know about them. I think the map is filled with just as much misinformation as information. Maybe it's useful to gauge reactions but that's not how you've been playing it.

I implore you to actually read my posts and then tell me I could "easily be a teamie" of juliets.

Matt, it sounds like you should read my posts in the context of the thread. I was a driving force behind getting juliets lynched for most of the game. And you're giving me crap for my vote being late on her, but consider that I was the last to place a vote for her on Day 5 which apparently pushed her into a tie with Canuck.

I suspect you because none of your cases have been thread based (until now I guess ). You went after solely MM and me for days on end, based on assuming MM was an indy Dr. Dre... I think that is exactly the type of case a baddie would want to push. Then you moved onto Dom, you asked him if he had been recruited during the Night, and quickly voted for him today, again this is not a case that seems to be based on anything happening in the thread. Combined with the Circle kill attempt on Dom, it feels like they want him out.

You are only just now building cases based on the thread but the timing seems suspect here. You say you've suspected me for Days but you are only just now reading my ISO and managing to get the facts wrong in the process. Feels like a NO U.

I think you tried to kill Dom.

Matt F wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Matt F

For real? Why?

A few reasons. Why this early? To see what happens.

Matt F

A+E

Matt F wrote:Golden - Not that it matters, nobody else seems to want to lynch MM. But I do know I saw MM with Turnip's dead body then Turnip is back. In the profile, it says Dr Dre likes to experiment on dead bodies.

All of that is true. None of it means that MM or I should be lynched.

Like I said earlier, I don't think it was MM who experimented on me. You're working that angle because that's what you saw, that's the only info you have and you're trying to leverage it. You didn't see that Epi was in my square the night I died. You didn't see who else was also in the area at the time. And do you know what that square does? It's a portal Matt. MM could have come there from halfway across the damned map. You are not considering all the things you did not see or do not know.

But level with me. What do you think happened? Because it sounds like you're going from "Hmm TH died and came back, that was an odd thing to happen," and "Hmmm MM and TH were in the same square how odd" and turning it into "We should lynch MM and TH." What dots are you connecting?

Golden wrote:Wilgy's vote for me is rather inexplicable then.

As is most everything else about Wilgy this game.

Golden wrote:So you think there would be a better candidate for him to choose than the person who they poisoned on night one?

Or, is it a different point you are making?

No, I think there would be no better candidate than that. That is absolutely the point that I'm making.

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I don't know if I'm a peep like Dom, but I do not agree with some of your conclusions Golden. Most recently, that voting for you was the move Wilgy would make if he's Witherdeath I also suspect you might be talking out of your butt when you say you were poisoned Night 1.

If Wilgy was the Trickster I think he is more likely to be Circle. We also weren't told that a team was eliminated.

Well, it is lucky that I left breadcrumbs on the subject, then, since you think I'm 'talking out of my butt'. Go look after Luke was lynched.

I think the main reason you think I'm talking out of my butt is because you don't like that I'm on to you. I'll be voting for you again tomorrow.

Although I do agree that if Wilgy is Witherdeath, it would have to mean that they have an extra member (living statue?). But why didn't wilgy take his name off the poll?

My point is that you are not the player Wilgy would have voted for if he was on the poisoner's team.

I don't know if I'm a peep like Dom, but I do not agree with some of your conclusions Golden. Most recently, that voting for you was the move Wilgy would make if he's Witherdeath I also suspect you might be talking out of your butt when you say you were poisoned Night 1.

If Wilgy was the Trickster I think he is more likely to be Circle. We also weren't told that a team was eliminated.

Golden wrote:Feel free to join the TH bonfire, Wilgy. Its not going to save you, though.