The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:who was targeted me or svs when we both died

That was us!

Elohcin wrote:Even though I didn't win, I had a lot of fun and will proudly wear the players banner. I almost switched the lynch to K4J the day before the last day and second guessed myself. It would have changed everything too as K4J was the one who forced my vote on SVS the last day. Then with everyone voting ME, I used my lynch switch that day, lynching SVS (as the person I switched the lynch to had to have at least one vote). I was really hoping BWT would come in and vote K4J so I could switch it to him :/ Ah well...like I said, I still had a ton of fun!

:O Why did you want to switch it to me?!

Yay!!!! I won my first baddie game here and had next to no suspicion!!! I'm so happy.
Thanks to my teammates, Ace and Epi! And Rey who I never really worked with. I'm kind of confused how things ended, Dom was bad? Weird. And SVS was mafia, whaaaa? I don't understand, but still happy!
And TH I did not want to kill you and didn't agree with the decision..your pms made me very sad. I really and sorry and respect you so much as a player.
Thanks Boo for the game. It was very fun and set up so well!

S~V~S wrote:With K4J soon to follow?

Lol seriously, what's with you now that you have come back? I can't help but feel you have a different alignment than that you left with. That being said, as much as I do think this, I have reevaluated and put more thinking into how I want to vote and I think voting you would be a waste as I think you're less of a threat. I am going to vote Eloh, I don't understand why she's voting you.

Epignosis wrote:Doin' it in the Butt cursed you for minor credibility, and on Night 7, your team targeted you and you sent in the mass role block, saving you from death.

Seriously? If she went to all that trouble she deserves to win *bows down*.
But seriously, I am going to think about this. I am thinking voting for SVS will be a waste since other players probability wise have a more likely chance of being scum. For most of the game I have viewed Eloh as a civvie, but I admit most of it was comparing her style to WWE and I find that quite easy to replicate. What I did not understand was why she decided to vote for FH because others did, to me it does seem as though her goal this game was follow Epi, do what Epi does. Lol

S~V~S wrote:It isn't a "rule"; it is a convention. People who don't vote don't get to bitch.

Oh, because to me it seems like you don't want to be called out on the fact that you were wrong. But ok.

S~V~S wrote:You can't make cracks, you didn't vote~

When you find the rule that says if someone doesn't vote their opinion is invalid, let me know.

S~V~S wrote:Well, we knew he was not a civ.

S~V~S wrote:Ditto. I think my belief is genuine. I think TH is the awesome-est at bringing the "I am not a baddie" sympathy fest. I don't believe his role hints.

I do no defend him out of sympathy.

S~V~S wrote:So you think i was right before I was dead, and you definitely thought i was right before Dom turned into TH?

i came back from death saying EXACTLY what i said before it. If anyone sounds different, it is you.

'Exactly' to the point where you wouldn't listen to anyone telling you that you may possibly be wrong. Yep, I changed my opinion, but I have no reason to do that other than that my belief is genuine.

TBH, I don't even know who to vote for. I think SVS is bad and I do not think TH is, and that's all I have to say. I am not understanding why the moment FH was lynched, everyone wants to vote for TH as if her death gave you some magical insight on who the real scum were. It makes absolutely no sense to me, I am a stubborn player but if someone basically vouches for someone's innocence then I will at least listen, but SVS doesn't do that. I am almost positive that she is trying to seem like the same alignment by carrying on the same suspicions she had last game. You all can say what you want about TH trying to change the attention, but did I miss something? Is what he saying not true?! SVS has not shared anything but her same opinion of TH being bad since she's been back.

Voting for SVS.
Oh wait...

S~V~S wrote:Well, i thought they were very well thought out, logical arguments that made excellent points about why it was totally unlikely that she was a baddie.

She didn't just make them in the last hour, she has been making them for a while.

But that ol' Turnip Man just hypnotized everybody, didn't he? I had forgotten what a good talker he is, i missed that guy, a good player and a formidable opponent.

Obviously I was wrong but I did not see what you saw in FH, I just didn't. She did a lot of things that I was familiarizing with baddie behavior. I am still not convinced that just because you are right on FH being a civvie that you are right on TH.

Epignosis wrote:
But S~V~S would not have BTSC, and therefore would not know with whom she could win. She would be, from what I read, an independent for all intents and purposes, only a bad guy-friendly one. I wouldn't want to resurrect a solo bad guy if I were bad. Would you?

And the fact that there have been no solo Mafia kills makes me certain S~V~S is either independent or civilian.

Well I didn't consider that angle. I mean it gives me something to think about but if I didn't think about it, is it fair to assume that the mafia did? I mean maybe I am being dumb to think the mafia would have revived a solo baddie but I haven't felt that great about SVS's actual content either but maybe I am wrong.

Epignosis wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.
reasons?
Because I think that baddies probably new civvies would want to rezz SVS and decided to pile up their votes on her so she would come back baddie. Her insistence on believing TH is bad could be genuine but makes me feel as though she is trying to appear to be of the same alignment she left the game with. She also made a comment that she thinks TH killed her and that surprised me because I thought she hid behind Bass and got killed that way, although this is just an assumption.
See, I don't agree there at all. I read boo's post. It said SOLO Baddie. That means a bad guy with no affiliation to any bad team that brought her back. If anything, S~V~S is independent, but I do not believe she has come back as a solo bad guy (possibly with a kill, which has not manifested itself). That would be foolish on the part of the team that voted her. She's either civilian or independent.

But SVS would be able to win with either team, correct? So why not add to their numbers by rezzing another baddie? That is one less civvie they have to worry about out numbering, at least IMO. I did not think that if someone was rezzed as a baddie they would get a kill, I just thought that meant their alignment would be bad.

Epignosis wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.
What bothers me beyond the obvious stuff is that instead of coming up with a case for anyone at all, you bring up Sorsha and Eloh (and me). You don't say anything about any of us beyond how two are being quiet and one is "on your radar."

And you vote for Aces for surviving a lynch that (presumably) a bad team made possible? Hell, I've survived two Night kills myself!

I found it weird that FH excused TH from being lynched but refuses to do the same for Ace. I don't understand that and feel like she's trying not to go against TH because the suspicions of him have died down.

Elohcin wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:I think SVS is bad too.
reasons?

Because I think that baddies probably new civvies would want to rezz SVS and decided to pile up their votes on her so she would come back baddie. Her insistence on believing TH is bad could be genuine but makes me feel as though she is trying to appear to be of the same alignment she left the game with. She also made a comment that she thinks TH killed her and that surprised me because I thought she hid behind Bass and got killed that way, although this is just an assumption.

I think SVS is bad too.

FH, I am not a fan of how you are acting like no one is searching for the other scum. I have been searching for the scum the entire game, if you were the only person on my radar why would I have voted DH last day phase? The fact that you're doing this only makes me think you're more likely to be scum who is upset that no one is listening (and I can't blame you for that) but I am not feeling any better by these kind of statements.

Epignosis wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)
One of those is so true.

And here I was thinking, why does he have to be a misguided civ and not just a civ?

Turnip Head wrote: -- You voted DH? Of course you did, everyone did except me and SVS. Baddie teammates have to turn on each other eventually if they want to keep their civvie cred. I will have to go back and see if you've suspected DH all game or not, but from memory you have not. You mainly went after Rey, Ace, and INH. I don't remember seeing much suspicion of DH from you.

-- You wouldn't NK Epi? Why not? I know you said he was your top suspect, but you've mentioned him for a few days now and there has been almost no support for him to be lynched. Why wouldn't you NK him then? Also, he suspected you initially, but then backed off. This all fits the profile for a baddie's NK target pretty perfectly.

Yeah, this is basically where I am.

Flyin' High wrote:Well, if Aces had been lynched and flipped civvie, wouldn't you still be talking about me and saying, "FH is SOOOO bad!" Yeah, it's the perfect frame--and hey, he may not have flipped civvie because he didn't die at all, but guess what, you're still talking about me. I'm being talked about at the distraction to everything else today. And when you guys continue to ignore the points I've tried to make and vote to lynch me again, my guess is third time will be a charm and you'll finally see I've been telling the truth this entire game.

I don't think whoever caused Aces to be up for the lynch instead of me thought he'd survive.

And let me try to make this point again. For me to have lived on Day 8, either doin' it in the butt or the taint and some combination of midgets/smegma/other had to happen for me to not be up for that lynch. If it was doin' it in the butt (DH) who "saved" me, then I immediately turned around and voted to lynch him the following day. What a way to say thanks to someone! If it was the taint I'd make the same argument except that I went hard after that team and narrowed down the potential PB candidates to 3 people which helped lead to rey's lynch days ago.

I am not bad. I am baddie hunting. And because I've been so vocal this game, I have made myself an easy target for baddie manipulation.

I really want the civvies to pull out a win on this game and have been very happy that the night kills keep failing because I know it's gotta be driving the mafia crazy.

But as I was feeling and expressed a couple of days ago, it is exhausting to defend myself for days on end. I am a civvie and I've been trying hard. But I also see why I appear bad. I can't deny that a very simple explanation for me surviving the Day 8 lynch is that I am the sassy black woman and DH used his power to save me. It makes sense. But it's just not true.

Another point I'll try to make again, Epi has been on my radar for days. Why would I want to kill my number one lynch suspect at night like Sassy tried to do last night?

Kneel4Justice and TH: Can you take off the blinders you have on me for one moment and consider other things I've said? What do you think about Aces surviving that lynch? He had suspicion on him earlier (not just from me), but that seems to have vanished--why?

Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

What do you think about Sorsha? Or Elohcin? Two players that keep showing up to vote at the end of lynches but have barely contributed to any discussion whatsoever.

Switching you with Ace does not make any sense to me. The goal of framing someone is to get them lynched, if the mafia's goal was to lynch you why not just let you be lynched? Why worry about going to the trouble of wasting their power on getting Ace lynched? That makes no sense to me. I hear what you're saying but I do not see how logically it makes sense. They did not need anyone to come out saying "FH is SOOO bad!" because obviously people felt it already, enough to lynch you.

I do not follow this site's idea of risking your game to save another scum member's game. If I was scum then it would be cut ties when necessary. Am I supposed to believe you're going to waste time defending a scum member when they're going to be lynched? You'd come out looking worse than you would had you voted for your scum mate. I like the fact that you voted DH, but the relying on that to excuse a connection between you does not work for me.

As for killing Epi, I really don't know how to address that. I think the only think killing Epi is evidence of is that Epi is not part of that team in specific. As for my opinion of him being a misguided civ or clever mafia, I am leaning towards him being a civvie based on his performance building up from where he began (where I was suspicious). I think especially his vote for you is more of a civvie thing, misguided or not because that is what I expect from him since that is the player I saw in WWE.
As for Ace surviving, I do not know what to make of all these people surviving lynches/kills, but if I am to excuse TH I have to think of the things that are happening behind the scenes. I don't know what it means for him. As for the suspicion of him dropping, I don't know about that either, personally I haven't been much suspicious of him, nothing really set of alarm bells for me. I liked his vote for Rey and people seemed to suspect him for that but his defense on that seemed like something a civ would say.
Eloh and Sorsha haven't really caught my eye either. If anything, I think they would be on the second mafia team. But I haven't seen them acting any different from WWE.

Flyin' High wrote:You call it saving, I call it framing. I am not the sassy black woman, I am a civvie. But clearly no amount of me trying to prove that this game matters. And why are you completely ignoring my helping to get DH lynched yesterday? I didn't jump on the DH bandwagon, I was like the first or second to vote for him (I can't remember if K4J's vote was there before mine or not).

I am curious as to how Aces survived the lynch. Because the only way to survive a lynch in the roles is by being a baddie (unless you're TH and have a magical way of doing it that I still haven't figured out).

Are you saying that the reason you were not lynched, was because people were framing you? Because if so, that makes no sense to me. Why would someone "frame" you by saving you from being lynched? Isn't the goal of framing someone to get them lynched? And isn't the idea of stopping someone from being lynched, saving them? But it sounds to me like you're saying the opposite. I don't get that at all?

Another night without a kill? This is great news! I'm going to have to think about which direction I think is best for this day phase.

Yaaaasssssssss!!!!! Yaassssssss!!!!

Your claims conflict with my feelings and I have to trust myself before I trust anyone else, perhaps I'm being played but for the time being I don't see TH as a threat and that's all I can say, being totally sure doesn't mean you can't be wrong, which obviously goes the same for my beliefs.

S~V~S wrote:Serioulsy, the more I think about it the more this laughing smiley irks me tbh. Do you really think i would put myself out there if I were not 100% sure?

I am totally not an info dumper, but you seem really pretty smug about this, K4J. You don't know me very well.

You asked me basically the same thing earlier, so I laughed. Don't see the problem and your posts are coming across like you're trying to intimidate me. What does knowing you have anything to do with my question? That makes no sense but whatever.

S~V~S wrote:Well, I am at peace with my TH vote. I think he is pulling the wool over all of your eyes in an especially expert fashion, and i am looking forward to all of the , "OMG SVS, you called that one right" etc.

If you're wrong will you add this quote to your sig?

Flyin' High wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:My vote is going to DH for now, he's been under the radar for the entire game and unlike stepping his game up like I feel others have been doing such as Epi, he comes across even more scummy by choosing to vote Sorsha. I have to read FH's post later about possible options for how she survived. What does bother me is her consistent insistence that she did not know she was going to survive as if she's trying to say she doesn't have the ability to survive a lynch, when clearly it appear it's not her who was even lynched, it was Ace instead. But I need to read more thoroughly when I get a chance to make sure I have things understood correctly. I would like to know what people think of DH.

I know it's not me that was up for the lynch. I haven't denied that. Hence my giant post about possible ways the lynch could have gone down that would have led to Aces name being their instead of me. And when I have I acted like I don't have the ability to survive a lynch? I don't, but that's beside the point. I haven't acted that way--I've acted surprised that the lynch happened the way it did--just like I was surprised the first time I survived a lynch I didn't expect to survive (the one where I ended up tied, then not tied with INH).

If you had received the majority votes in a lynch and you came back to the thread to see you were still alive are you telling me you wouldn't be wondering what the heck happened?

DH is on my radar as well. I feel like he's among the players who has been taking a backseat and letting me talk myself into a grave.

I'm still totally suspicious of Epignosis, but considering how far I got the last couple of times I've brought his name up, I'm not sure I feel up to voting him again.

I don't really know what to say as far as how you're handling the not being lynched thing. I was just thinking, why does she keep stating she had no idea what happened? Who is accusing her of having an idea of what happened (and if someone did I have missed it, I haven't read everything because I haven't had the chance)?! So stating you are surprised, I am just wondering if it's over doing things and want to make sure it looks like you had no part when you did. But for the time unless I see reason to change my mind, I can wait and give you a chance to change my mind, and I will read your posts more into depth when I get a chance. I prefer to lynch DH. I think I am seeing what you saw in Epi. The two are very similar to me, both have acted the opposite of what I expected (although I made expectations based off of DH's claim that he played like FZ, I have never played with DH before). With Epi I think I saw a lot more of the civvie Epi I am used to coming out as the game progressed when I don't see DH as civ in any light.

My vote is going to DH for now, he's been under the radar for the entire game and unlike stepping his game up like I feel others have been doing such as Epi, he comes across even more scummy by choosing to vote Sorsha. I have to read FH's post later about possible options for how she survived. What does bother me is her consistent insistence that she did not know she was going to survive as if she's trying to say she doesn't have the ability to survive a lynch, when clearly it appear it's not her who was even lynched, it was Ace instead. But I need to read more thoroughly when I get a chance to make sure I have things understood correctly. I would like to know what people think of DH.

No deaths two nights in a row?! Turn up! Lol

S~V~S wrote:
S~V~S wrote:If you are wrong about him, K4J, will you add a line to your sig saying so (like my line about rezzing the SK doh~!)?
i posted this in the other game,

Sure I love feeling special, just know I will have to add something that boosts my ego too! Lol
But I know that hinting (or rather claiming may fit better) doesn't mean it's the truth, I just have to judge if I think the hint is true or not and like I said, I do tend to believe it comes across genuine/honest and is something a scum wouldn't try.

S~V~S wrote:BWT, I was hoping that someone could explain what they saw to me, why they think I am wrong. One person just refused to answer my questions, playing semantics instead. Another was obviously here, but also would not answer me. Please do read it.

You have a reason for feeling as you do, and said what it was.

SVS, I did not ignore you, I don't know why you're insisting on taking it that way. I tried to express that I think TH's hints or whatever you want to call them were genuine. It seems to me he's hinting at something that is not clearly written or stated in the mechanics of the game. I come to ask myself, why would a scum insist on something that doesn't provide them true safety. You're continuing to suspect him regardless of what he says, if he were scum why not think to himself, what would be the point in making up lies in a game where the mechanics are already stated? It would only come across as a desperate last attempt to survive, which it could be, but I don't think it is because that would not be very smart, IMO and I have to give TH credit. When I saw some of his hints I tried to give him a chance and actually read his posts without having my mind set on the idea that he must be mafia like I'd been set on for his duration in the game, and his posts actually sounded better when I did this. I tried to tell you that I liked his thoughts at least on FH and that I felt his hints are genuine, so I really don't understand why you're set on saying I would not answer. At the time you started that, I was on my way home and didn't have time to write out a response when I was home, your insistence of this doesn't feel right. I do understand you feeling Epi won't explain, but well that's Epi and probably not going to change. If you wanted more reasoning in a response, I won't be meeting your expectations. I will say I think that you're giving BWT's thoughts too much credit, confirmed civ does not equal correct opinions.

DharmaHelper wrote:Actually i just noticed Sorsha voted for me so :P

Right back at you Sorsha

You toooooooo shady!

S~V~S wrote:I got the impression from BWT that he thought that *whatever* mysterious thing TH was alluding to was not possible? Do you suspect BWT?

No he's a proven civ.

S~V~S wrote:Why would you think that,? I never said that. While I was dead he sounded very, very bad to me. What obvious thing did I miss?

I thought you did maybe I misread/confused your post with another. Maybe it isn't obvious to you and I'm in two minds about that, I can't necessarily blame you after how Dom was, but his posts and references to the game set up have me believing it's too complex for him to have just made up.

SVS Didn't you come back rethinking about TH or am I mistaken? I am really thinking he is not a baddie.

Ok well I went ahead and Voted FH because I do think that there is a connection to Llama there. Nsprry I haven't been able to participate with my computer actin up. I will see if it's working later tonight when I get home.
I also don't know if SVS is maintaining her suspicion to look like she was the same alignment I need to reread the rules about that resurrection.

DharmaHelper wrote:I think DH is busy as fuck writing super-hero related stuff and getting school sorted for this semester.

Ok well, are you too busy for opinions?

Also I don't think Elohs silence means she's bad, she is not necessarily being the most helpful but I don't find that bad as for her alignment. I think she's playing the same as in WWE.

Linki: omG

S~V~S wrote:This is rather vague, TH. I want to know who you think i should vote for if not you. This is very iffy, like you don't want to commit.

I actually liked his post. I'm thinking the points that are brought up against FH are better this day than today. And why if you are a baddie try to relynch FH when it clearly did not work well last time. What do you think about DH?

And FH, what do you think about DH?

FH, as far as Epi, I cannot blame him for voting for INH with you because honesty if I were online at the time I probably would have done the same, I didn't pay enough attention to Rey for his behavior and thought INH ignoring the case and voting was weird. I don't understand the changed mindset much but I believe he is someone big on contridicctions my problem with him would still be that he's been very quiet this game but I also see it hasn't took any of his attitude away from his posts lol no offense

Interesting point about FH, I was wonderig what other baddie got lynched (I'm slow shh). I think that's a possibility and I like the idea of looking at connections because I think that's the biggest guarantee at this point, but I am not sure that she is. She seemed rather townie to me to begin with. Now I'm wondering if I was being naive.
Linki @FH, if you are a tired civvie now is not the time to give up, I'm kind of concerned by that, from my experience I've seen people only do this as scum.

My internet is down the moment I have time for posting, go figure. I need a new computer, it's just mine that has these issues. Anyways I am surprised to say what TH is saying is actually coming across genuine and possible to me and I am wondering if some how I was wrong in suspecting him. So now I am wondering who to look towards and DH is someone I think has been flying under the radar. Also FH I did reply to your suspicion on Epi which I guess you didn't see.

AceofSpaces wrote: Lets ignore the continued noncommittal response, and focus on the bigger slip up here. TH assumes that FH is suspicious of me and INH because she thinks we are on the same teams as the buttake. . Which would be insane because both me and INH voted to LYNCH rey. It would make no sense for us to be his teammates AND constant bringing him up for lynch/ actually casting the votes that lynched him. Why would TH think this? Because he is a Trump Card and made the same exact slipup I described above.

You bring up some nice points, but this is very interesting to me. I will be very interested to see which team TH is on and what that might mean for you.

DharmaHelper wrote:Opinions change.

I am well aware. The problem is I do not think there was that much material after you stated this to cause an opinion change, and if there was enough for you, you didn't mention it until now, did you? That is why I am having trouble believing this opinion change is genuine.

DharmaHelper wrote:I agree wholeheartedly that he is suspicious. Or more accurately that Dom was suspicious. It is unfortunate that he had to sub into Dom's position just as Dom seemed to be gaining a lot of heat, but I really can't shake the feeling that Dom was being shifty.

I have been thinking you might be scum, and now this only makes me feel more confident. Because:

DharmaHelper wrote:I've been practicing my active listening trying to figure out this Dom/SVS mess and I keep getting drawn back to Spongebob mafia. Specifically, I thought SVS was bad, and her responses to my thoughts were very no-uey in nature and highly defensive. We were both civ. So I'm thinking that might be the case with dom/svs

Why can't you be lynched, TH?

DharmaHelper wrote:Good point actually. Baddie Aces could have easily left it a tie and not drawn attention to himself.

What do you think of TH?

Flyin' High wrote:Another possible rezz candidate is johns2jj who was lynched and flipped civvie.

I need to go back and try to understand the stuff against TH. I'll admit I was focused on my own suspicions and kind of gave it second fiddle these past couple of days.

I also want to take a closer look at Epi. Partially because of what MR said right before he got NKed and partially because of his posts on Day 6. At the time I felt he was doing nothing to introduce his own theories/ideas to the thread and was just fanning the flames of what was an intense back and forth between me and INH/Aces.

My suspicion of TH goes back to Dom. I think that Dom was very engineered and did not come off as genuine to me. There were times where I think he was playing confused, I think he was also in the works trying to save Llama from being lynched and I also think that he was very over defensive in the early stages (while it was based on getting my posts confused with FZ's, I am thinking that regardless of that, his lash out at how people were making everything he said suspicious was not of a civvie).

I don't know what MR has to do with anything because it was like a minute before he was killed, right? But as far as Epi himself he has been the complete opposite of what he was acting like in WWE. I just do now understand why the change in behavior? Maybe he can provide an explanation?! But I don't see a reason for a civvie or a scum to do that. I think it was Hedgie who told me he has 2 different styles of playing, one being very talkative and the other being very quiet, when I asked if that was the case. Maybe someone can verify this?

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