The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:I asked this before but only got one answer. Anyone been robbed recently?
And well done USA in the football.

Does real life count?

By the way, what's with all the fighting?

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Eh, sounds good.

Great! One more spot left in that game. Do you people really want to miss it?

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:like totally not cool

On the bright side, you now have time to join EPig's game

Well well, you lynched me when I wasn't around to defend myself. Not nice! I guess I deserved it

Have fun

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

Before I make my vote. Does anyone but me think Reyway is acting very scummy?

reywaS wrote:
FZ. wrote:I think I read everything.

At the moment, I'm willing to vote for one of the following:
1. Reywas, who hasn't voiced a single suspicion and the only serious posts I see from him is when he's trying to defend himself. I don't think we've played together, so I don't know if this is his usual MO, but to me, someone who focuses only on defending himself, is more likely a baddie.

2. Mongoose- I agree with llama that her posts carry the scent of scum hunting, but when you look into them, they are kind of tasteless And I'm mean that in the nicest way possible (and not rude).

3. K4J- I admit, I hate voting for K4J with a passion, because when he is a civ, he's very valuable to the civvies. I'm not concerned by his "hiding" his suspicions for Epig, because I totally get that, and I actually did that myself. And actually, the fact he doesn't think I'm on MP's team doesn't surprise me. He knows my baddie game better than anyone here, and I think I tried defending a team mate once and it ended up so bad, that I just went back to throwing them under the bus and doing it much faster. I'd probably vote second for MP, lol. That said, he knows I know he knows, so if he implied that, I would just be more sure he's a baddie. So I don't know if it's because he's bad or not, but I think his very minor suspicion for MP coupled with the fact that I think it's highly likely there's someone from MP in the voters and his timing seems the most appropriate for a baddie from the team makes him look more baddie than a civvie at this point. Add to that the way his reasons for suspecting me just seem forced to me (there's the one in the beginning where he went back on), and I just might vote for him after all.

I could also see myself persuaded to vote for MM or INH because they too have been posting but not saying much. And INH's just answered our questions about what he thought of the votes on him and suspicions with an "emotional" reply and not with an analyzing one, so it didn't make me feel good about him.

There's also Vompatti, but I seem to be the only one thinking he's a baddie, and while I really don't get that kind of play style, I'm tired of trying to get it or do something about it if I'm the only one.

If anyone stops by anytime soon, let me know who you think of voting for. I don't want my vote to go to waste, so while I'll probably be the first voter since I need to leave for my vacation, I want to hear what people are planning to do

linki: @ Hey Lizzie, so are you going to vote for K4J?
2 notes for you.

1. I think you are exaggerating a bit that I am defending myself so much.

2. I disagree with your accusation that my only serious posts are the ones where I'm defending myself.

bonus note: I think you are looking for an easy vote today.

And here you are, defending yourself again

And good job, you actually managed to find someone suspicious- me for going after you. That's got to be your most serious post. A little too late, and too much of a NO U. Excuse me if I'm not impressed.

I don't think I'm looking for an easy vote. I actually gave a list of people and reasons. What have you done? I said I was willing to vote for any of those people, but you haven't addressed any of them, but only talked about yourself. How is that supposed to make me feel better about you?

I think I read everything.

At the moment, I'm willing to vote for one of the following:
1. Reywas, who hasn't voiced a single suspicion and the only serious posts I see from him is when he's trying to defend himself. I don't think we've played together, so I don't know if this is his usual MO, but to me, someone who focuses only on defending himself, is more likely a baddie.

2. Mongoose- I agree with llama that her posts carry the scent of scum hunting, but when you look into them, they are kind of tasteless

And I'm mean that in the nicest way possible (and not rude).

3. K4J- I admit, I hate voting for K4J with a passion, because when he is a civ, he's very valuable to the civvies. I'm not concerned by his "hiding" his suspicions for Epig, because I totally get that, and I actually did that myself. And actually, the fact he doesn't think I'm on MP's team doesn't surprise me. He knows my baddie game better than anyone here, and I think I tried defending a team mate once and it ended up so bad, that I just went back to throwing them under the bus and doing it much faster. I'd probably vote second for MP, lol. That said, he knows I know he knows, so if he implied that, I would just be more sure he's a baddie. So I don't know if it's because he's bad or not, but I think his very minor suspicion for MP coupled with the fact that I think it's highly likely there's someone from MP in the voters and his timing seems the most appropriate for a baddie from the team makes him look more baddie than a civvie at this point. Add to that the way his reasons for suspecting me just seem forced to me (there's the one in the beginning where he went back on), and I just might vote for him after all.

I could also see myself persuaded to vote for MM or INH because they too have been posting but not saying much. And INH's just answered our questions about what he thought of the votes on him and suspicions with an "emotional" reply and not with an analyzing one, so it didn't make me feel good about him.

There's also Vompatti, but I seem to be the only one thinking he's a baddie, and while I really don't get that kind of play style, I'm tired of trying to get it or do something about it if I'm the only one.

If anyone stops by anytime soon, let me know who you think of voting for. I don't want my vote to go to waste, so while I'll probably be the first voter since I need to leave for my vacation, I want to hear what people are planning to do

linki: @ Hey Lizzie, so are you going to vote for K4J?

Reywas, I'm sorry if I offended you, but up until now, I don't think you've said anything substantial about the game, and who you're suspicious of. All I see from you is defending yourself and making jokes. To me, defending yourself without giving anything else, screams of badness. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but you're very high on my suspect list. Your recent posts just make me feel stronger about it

kneel4justice wrote:
FZ. wrote: I don't know what your problem is. I explained why I was hesitant in voting MP. It felt like the votes were piling up on him, which is something I'm not used to here, and while I started feeling less sure he was a civvie in the last day or so, I started out feeling he was the most civvie of them all, the way he progressed the game, so I was still hesitant to call him a baddie, not to mention my stupid tendency to view people who are suspicious of me as more civ 'than baddie. Anyway, that was what was going on through my mind, and you of all people should be able to get me in situations like this. This is the second time you've said something that I really don't expect you to say, and it's starting to worry me. If you'd said I could be on MP's team, I'd know you're bad , but saying I might be on the other team is clever enough to make me hesitate on this.
I do not like how you replied to me, 'I don't know what your problem is' as if what I am saying has no value. I am saying I did not get the same vibe as you did. I was not all that concerned with the votes for MP being 'too many' as you were. I was not scrambling at deadline trying to come up with an alternative as you were. What I am saying is, if we were of the same alignment based on our track record I should have at least felt similar to the way you did. It's a vibes thing. We often think the same or similar and you know this. So me having a completely opposite reaction to the lynch as you did, pings me. I think even you should have seen that while MP was suspecting you, he was doing it with an agenda. He called you insincere when you had barely any posts and thoughts to be insincere about. Yes you feel better about those who suspect you, but you also see through fake suspicions and you weren't doing that here. Which is why I'm having trouble seeing you as a civvie right now. Now you're starting to get worried about me, well ok but I don't see why and it feels kind of empty. I really don't see your points, probably because you're counteracting mine which I feel are more credible than you're giving them. Or rather, not credit but you should at least be able to understand what I'm saying.

First of all, after last game where we went head to head as civvies on the first day, and then you got recruited and I started trusting you, it changed things for me. Sorry, can't help it.
So you're allowed to think my suspicions are "empty", yet I can't feel yours are absurd? I didn't mean to sound rude in the "what is your problem" comment. I meant to say that I really don't get what you didn't see. Yes, I feel different from you regarding how the lynch went down. I'm still pretty sure there were baddies voting for him from the other team as well, so the fact that people got lucky with the lynch doesn't mean there weren't some bad people around that lynch. And I can't bother with the are we seeing things the same way or not line of thought anymore. It's proven false. At least some time. So either you're bad, or we're just not seeing things the same way. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for this day, though you're on my suspect list, but we'll see

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Yay, I'm caught up! It's been a distracting evening. And I tend to get bogged down in the details and never get around to sharing my thoughts.

I found it amusing that k4j and FZ kind of went after each other a couple of pages ago, because I don't trust either of them. I think they both handled the last lynch poll in shady ways (FZ: Oh, maybe I'll vote for MP, so you guys better be right. Then, who should I vote for? Then, hey do you have someone else to vote for in the last ten minutes? Then, I am going with either Vomps or Daisy. Then no voting at all. [CBK paraphrase]), and both of their posts have come across as insincere or defensive with weak arguments.

The point that you're missing, k4j, is that you never said you were suspicious of Epi when it was happening. It's just too convenient to mention a mysterious suspicion and then suddenly change course last second and then go back and fill in the story.

Am I missing something?

By the way, I'm enjoying the game, and no one has offended me. You can try if you want though.
I never said I was suspicious of Epi, I labeled it mysterious so that I wouldn't tip him off on what he needed to do to change my mind. I did not say afterwards because I didn't really want him knowing what I categorize as civvie behavior for him (for future games) but since I was asked, I shared. I also think that the shift is evidently clear that I am being honest because when I said I was suspicious he wasn't participating much and when I said I'm no longer suspicious he had started posting. I don't see the problem and I find people are making a big deal out of it. So I said I was confident in a vote, but changed my mind, what's suspicious? Why am I benefiting from that if I am scum?

And I don't think my arguments are weak. Please point me to a weak argument, I think my points are strong and I want to prove it so people will listen instead of continuing on and joining a bandwagon.
Don't think I can defend the insincere thing but it doesn't make sense to me lol
This argument right here. You can't see why it's suspicious that you would hide your suspicions until the last second, when you expect the chance to discuss accusations against yourself? You don't see why it seems phony to go back and pick up something someone else actually said at the time and fill it into a cryptic comment you made before the lynch went down? You don't see why people are suggesting that you could have purposely waited to give yourself civ points by voting for a doomed teammate?

I'm not guarenteeing that you are his teammate. I don't know. I try to look for a collection of evidence, not just one post. And that doesn't mean that everything you say is off. If you want me to go back and look for other things, I will. Unfortunately, I can't do it right away.

Well, I can't defend my hesitation for voting MP more than I have. If you find that insincere, I can't do anything about it. I said I trusted MP more than others when the game started moving, because he felt like genuinely trying to progress the game, so later on, even when I felt he was starting to get all over the place, I thought there was a good chance he was a civvie being scapegoated for his behavior, and I was trying to save him, but not feeling sure about it. I was wrong, but it doesn't make me bad.

As for K4J, the fact he didn't share his thoughts on Epig is the last thing that worries me. We do that plenty, because you have a hunch and you want to see how that person is going to act. If he'd come out with his reasons for suspecting him so early, he wouldn't have known if it was a reaction to what he said. At least that was what I thought when not saying who I was keeping an eye on. Is this your way of jumping on a bandwagon of suspicion by trying to give your "original" thoughts about it and not appearing like you're bandwagoning?

kneel4justice wrote:
FZ. wrote:Okay, I'm out. I'll be back tomorrow to place my vote and then I'll be back on Saturday.

linki:@ I'm thinking that my assumption that K4J couldn't be on MP's team was wrong. And if we're looking at the list of players who voted for MP and reasonably thinking that one of the late voters could be on his team, he's my best option. Because like TH pointed out, the way he said he didn't have time to catch up, yet voted for MP even though he planned on voting for Epig, but now is saying he saw he posted good posts, doesn't make sense and seems like a lie

And now, good night
I'm slowly going to lose it. Lol
Seriously, what doesn't make sense? Everything I have said has made sense. Tell me how me saying I planned for voting for Epi because he was so quiet, but changed my mind when he started posting heavily and building cases doesn't make sense. Wait, you can't because YOU'RE not making sense. How does that seem like a lie? I'm lost.
As for me not having time to catch up, I was in the car, with 13% battery, I didn't know if I was going to have time. I made it home and had about 20 minutes to skim the thread (amongst doing other things non-game related and so I made my decision).

Okay, I missed the 20 minutes part, though for me, it takes longer, maybe because English is not my native language...but when I read the other post it seemed weird that you didn't have time to read yet you managed to decide Epig did good enough to sway you away from voting for him, and MP became your first choice.
As for the wow about thinking the same, it's been a while since we had such an identical thought about someone and while this is something that usually makes me feel good about you, I'm hesitant. The way you found really weird reasons to suspect me, and even started out agreeing with MP, only to then take it back. Then, my "panic attack" near the end of the lynch got you worried, like it's something that's never happened to me, and like there were no good reasons for it...
Not sure what I think now. I think there's probably a scum buddy on MP's vote list, because at some point it was certain he was going down, and the timing of your vote with all things surrounding that seems quite compelling.

Spacedaisy wrote:
MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.

Also,what I think everyone should keep in mind is that I am dating MP, and when he learned he was likely going to be lynched, I witnessed first hand his reaction. To say he was upset is an understatement. We both had a very stressful time recently and had stepped away from mafia to deal with our own stuff. I don't think any of you realize how close the site came to losing him completely. So he was finally getting excited to come back and play again, getting into it again. I wasn't sure that was going to happen. So when he saw he was getting lynched on Day 1 he was livid. I don't say any of this to condemn anyone for voting for him or whatever. He was a Baddie and had to go at some point. I just want to give you perspective on why I said what I said. I would never have said anything about his reaction in person in this thread, except now to explain that my defense of him was like i said, born mostly out of empathy to what he was feeling at that moment. At that point I had no reason to suspect him,it struck me as normal MP because I know him, he kind of swings between two courses of action. Careful consideration and reckless impetuousness. Mafia can bring out that second side that he exercises with less frequency in his day to day life. So no, tossing a vote on me was not too horribly surprising to me. In fact, I wondered if I would come back to find myself lynched,not him. I'm glad he flipped bad. I still feel bad he got lynched Day 1 on his first game back after his hiatus and in a game hosted by one of his closest friends. But I am glad a Baddie role was eliminated.

Does that answer the suspicion against me adequately?

This makes me sad. I hope MP still comes to play next game even if he's busy. I already feel his absence.

Okay, I'm out. I'll be back tomorrow to place my vote and then I'll be back on Saturday.

linki:@ I'm thinking that my assumption that K4J couldn't be on MP's team was wrong. And if we're looking at the list of players who voted for MP and reasonably thinking that one of the late voters could be on his team, he's my best option. Because like TH pointed out, the way he said he didn't have time to catch up, yet voted for MP even though he planned on voting for Epig, but now is saying he saw he posted good posts, doesn't make sense and seems like a lie

And now, good night

I was sure the person K4J intended on voting before he left was MP (when he said he knows who he's going to vote for and wanted to see what others would do) because I felt like he was the person that pinged him the most, so I thought if he was going to vote for MP all along, his late vote for him meant nothing. But now that he says he planned on voting for Epig, it changes things. His late vote could be him throwing MP under the bus when it was already pretty clear he would be the one dying.

K4J, are you very busy these days?

thellama73 wrote:The point is, I was right then and I'm right now! I find this series of posts particularly telling:

Mongoose wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
thellama73 wrote: I don't understand that, and I won't respond to it.
That seems better than asking for clarification.

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.
So ar you saying you think it was distancing or you don't think it was distancing? I can't understand what point you are trying to make here.
The former. I am not sure he'd be so brazen though.
None of what Mongoose says here seems to contribute anything or even make sense really. I think it is her way of seeming to being doing her due civ diligence without actually doing it.

I actually agree with llama on this. I've been getting this strange feeling from you. It started with the Matt comment, which I was searching to see what it was related to, but found nothing. Then, all these last posts, just seem like blending in and not saying something substantial...no offense

kneel4justice wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:I will check in tomorrow if I can. At least to vote but I won't have much time. I think I know who I'm voting for..but I want to see if anything changes.

kneel4justice wrote:Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.
These posts sit right next to each other in k4j's In-Topic posts. k4j, are you able to tell us any more about whom this first post refers to? I do think it's odd that you made sure to say you wouldn't have much time when/if you came back to vote yesterday; even in your next post (20 mins before the vote) you say that you don't even know if you'll have time to catch up. What changed between Friday night when you seemed confident about your vote and Saturday where you came back to say you might not catch up, but yet you are no longer confident about the player you had in mind? You seem to have strongly changed your opinion on this player, because you were contemplating not voting at all and asking about punishments for missing the vote. But it also looks like you're saying you hadn't read the thread yet.
When I logged on, I was quickly checking to see what happened and if I should go with the vote I planned to or if I needed to look elsewhere. The person was Epi because he had been so quiet, I saw multiple posts that reminded me of the only time I have seen him as a civvie where he was building cases against people left and right. When I saw him doing that I changed my opinion a lot.
Dom wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Lizzy wrote: Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.
An interesting thought.

Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.
K4J would be interesting given that K4J kind of started some of the talk about MP...
And why do you care what is 'interesting'? I am confused how that matters. Either you think it's a possibility or you don't, I don't like how you chose to label it interesting this post doesn't even contain an opinion of me and you leave dots for others to draw conclusions for you instead of making your own.

Wow, I actually said the exact same thing about Epig yesterday. Before I left I said I had a player I was thinking of voting for, then when I came back and so everything he'd been saying, I said I would not vote for him but started looking for other players to vote for.
Wow, I need to think how it makes me feel about you

Turnip Head wrote:I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

This could be true. There's always a chance she could get another vote from other players, thus he would be risking her, but since his reasoning for that vote was so far fetched, following him on that would just make that person look bad. Then there's Vompatti, who voted for her, and you already know what I think about that vote, so if she was working with MP, he could be on the other team.

linki:@ Oh yeah, okay. I forgot it was from the non voters. I was just reading Rey's posts and thinking what the hell. As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.

Damn, I need to go. I'll try to stop by before I go to sleep. I still want to say a lot of things before I leave for so long

llama, I saw you say that MM has the most posts that are off topic and non helpful or something like that. Have you seen Reywas' posts? I'd say that qualifies as non helpful posts

reywaS wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.
yeah, that's not what I was doing. I wasn't "hopping on a suspicion" at all. I was agreeing that INH's reaction to juliets was extreme...not that he was suspicious for it. I didn't get the feeling that you were suspicious of him for it either tbh.

This feels a little like backpedaling. Also, all I see from you is defending yourself, but no actual suspicions. Doesn't sit well with me.

This catching up is hard. Stop talking so much, people

insertnamehere wrote:
Kylemii wrote:The quick on the feet thing only applies to thinking of clever jokes, making up appropriate in-character responses, etc. When you're on stage if someone makes a reference to something you don't know, you can't run off to the side and start Google it. You just make something up instead, something that at least sounds realistic.
I feel like that accurately summarizes my mafia strategy.

You were annoyed with Julliets' post last day, and then you got some votes for it. You just disappeared and said nothing about it. I did find the reasoning behind voting for you strange, but the fact you have said nothing about it, at least as far as I could see, pinges me as well

linki:@ I already told you last day, Vompatti's vote was suspicious, and the way he explained his vote was even more suspicious

Thanks Lizzie

I missed that.

I have to go, I'll be back later

kneel4justice wrote:No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.

I don't know what your problem is. I explained why I was hesitant in voting MP. It felt like the votes were piling up on him, which is something I'm not used to here, and while I started feeling less sure he was a civvie in the last day or so, I started out feeling he was the most civvie of them all, the way he progressed the game, so I was still hesitant to call him a baddie, not to mention my stupid tendency to view people who are suspicious of me as more civ 'than baddie. Anyway, that was what was going on through my mind, and you of all people should be able to get me in situations like this. This is the second time you've said something that I really don't expect you to say, and it's starting to worry me. If you'd said I could be on MP's team, I'd know you're bad

, but saying I might be on the other team is clever enough to make me hesitate on this.

Bullzeye wrote:Wow, great call on MP there! Second game in a row I've seen a baddie die on day one and that hardly ever happens usually. I always forget to pack something, and it's usually something really important and super obvious like my phone charger. I once packed my xbox to go to uni but forgot to pack the plug and video cable so I basically had a useless box in my room for a few days. I guess that means I probably forgot to pack food.

You're being very quiet this game. I played two games with you when I started on this site, and I remember you as being a lot more vocal and perceptive. Where are you?

Hedgeowl wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:I'll be sticking with my focus on the high posters this game. You know who you are.

Top ten posters, you've been warned.
Bring it.

What is the appropriate comeback to this? Brought it!

Turnip Head wrote:Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?
Actually no. I looked at the top 5 posters at the time; MP, Llama, You- TH, Leamiteo, and Metal. Of those 5 only MP had a vote on him already. Since I know it is typical of his and llamas playstyle to to be top posters I would have cut him some slack. However, the votes were already so spread out. I can't claim anything more brilliant than that honestly.

I did go back and look at WWE where the top posters thing started for me. Of the top 10 posters, 4 out of 6 were bad. Granted two of them were alive at the end of the game. Based on this small sample group I decided to test this theory again.

So sorry to miss playing with you MP however. This is already a game off to a great start with lively discussion.

This whole post doesn't make me feel good about you. Your vote for MP yesterday bugged me, and the fact that he came out baddie doesn't change the fact that your vote for him and you telling people to not spread their vote after that seemed like a good way to explain a vote that had no reasoning behind it, and maybe give some of your possible team mates a reason to vote MP ("we didn't want to spread the votes").
Now, this "Brought it" feels to me like you're trying to make sure we think of you as responsible for a baddie lynch.
As for the top poster theory, I've played enough games where there was only one or two baddies in the top posters, but this reasoning clears you of any responsibility if it fails

Hey, I'm at work and just saw the awesome results.
I haven't looked at all the roles and I don't have time, but is it possible that instead of killing, they recruited? It's something that we have on K-site. I skimmed the first few posts and saw llama mentioning the chance of it being the baddies missing PMs. Do hosts let other baddies send in night actions for missing players? Because if so, that would make that option not likely.

I will be back later but I wanted to tell you that after everything that happened with the break in, my husband surprised me and we're going away for a few days, which means I won't be here between Tuesday and Saturday. I'll be back Saturday night. I'm not taking my laptop and I don't have a smart phone (I'm an extinct species, I know), so I won't have internet access at all. I talked to Russ and he said it was okay if I was gone for a few days. I hate when people don't post, so I feel bad about this, but I didn't know in advance that I'll be missing. Anyway, I apologize.

But since I'm going away, I have to give more hours at work today...I'll be back later to catch up and give my thoughts.

Russtifinko wrote:
FZ. wrote:Are the riddles strictly theme related, or can laymen know them too?
They are designed in the hope that anyone will be able to answer them, and no knowledge of Tolkien should be required to answer any of them.

One final thing before I get out of your collective hair and let Night get under way: Players I have down as not voting are BWT, Dom, FH, FZ., Lizzy, Mongoose, reywaS, and >SE. If any of you did actually vote and for some reason it was not counted, please notify me so that I can give you your gold.

Also, I will not at any point be publicly announcing who has how much gold, for what I hope are obvious reasons. If at any point you do want to know how much you have, please ask me via PM and I'll tell you your balance.

Linki: ALL GUESSES ARE TO BE PM'ED! You are free to discuss answers in-thread if you want, but remember that everyone who submits a correct answer will get gold, and they may or may not share your alignment. Only answers submitted by PM will be eligible to receive gold.

I swear I was trying to vote after I posted I was voting for Daisy, but if wouldn't bring me to the poll because it kept showing me the new posts every time I pressed submit. I've been here all along, I said who I was voting for, and I didn't try to hide or avoid voting. So please give me my gold.

Turnip Head wrote:BWT, Kyle, MP (recruited) and FH were the baddies. I was a neutral role, but I wasn't able to be killed at night, so I played for the good guys

Hey, I told you FH was too nice, lol. I wanted to lynch her the first day and you were all on my case. Glad to know my instincts don't always suck, haha
By the way, did MP "suspect" his buddies in that game or ignore them?

linki @ congrats winners!
Are the riddles strictly theme related, or can laymen know them too?

I chose a rope because being a city girl and not a trip expert, there's no way I would remember to take something like that, and I bet it couldn't hurt.

linki @ Who were the baddies? And goo job! What was your role? I have no idea, but it's been like that for a few weeks, and it's in all my computers.

linki @ It's okay. I forgive you

I'm just not sure if this isn't your way of deliberately making me look bad

thellama73 wrote:So my immediate thought is to look at the people MP talked about voting for, but then backed away from: Dom and FZ. It is typical of him to cast early doubts on them, then vote for someone else. That way, if they ever get lynched, he can claim he knew they were bad all along. Classic distancing.

You do have a point here, but while this might be true about Dom, because he said he'll vote for him, yet I don't think he voted, and it went both ways, it's not true about me.

Damn, second time you fooled me MP, though I'd like to think I was starting to see you as a baddie. Sorry to see you go. Hope you do get the time to play more.

Anyway, great job those who voted for him and great start!!

By the way, now that the day is over, I wanted to ask what happened with the Pokemon game on RM? Who won? I can't get into the site or see it, I keep getting an "error 403-forbidden" sign, so I couldn't be rezzed

And I really wanted to.

Did we get the results of the lynch and I somehow missed it?

This is sad. I hate it when the top posters get lynched. Just seems unfair

kneel4justice wrote:
FZ. wrote:Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?
I do no see what is bad about Daisy's vote. Seems like it makes sense to me. If I had chose to vote for INH, that would be my reason.
Why are you against MP? You're all over the place but I don't get why. Maybe because I wasn't here to watch it go down live I don't feel the suspense as I sometimes do.

Go read back. The way the votes were piling up and people's reasons just didn't sit well with me. Also, I strongly disagree about INH. What on earth would he gain by his reaction to Julliets as a baddie? And being over defensive when no one has voted for you or suspected you just seems crazy to me and not something a baddie would be caught dead doing

linki:@ Sorry man, I really wanted to play with you too, and I have no idea what just happened. It went too fast for me. I just hope that you are a baddie, and if not, I'm sorry...well, I'm sorry even if you are.

linki:@ Funny K4J :P I was trying to vote, but I couldn't get to the page, it kept showing me new posts. I guess there's a down side to the linki thing after all

Damn, I missed the vote with all the posts coming in after mine and having to ignore them...not that it mattered.
MP better be a baddie

Spacedaisy wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:MP's suspicion of FZ feels made up to me, lol. I reread her 7 posts and I don't see a single trace of anything that could be construed as "insincere". MP pushed the notion a few times before settling on not finding her suspicious but continues to namedrop FZ even after that.

I think one thing baddie-MP likes to do is toss out a suspicion, then intentionally waffle on it a few times before settling on something else. It makes it look like he's actively baddie hunting when really he's running himself around in a circle.

I don't really suspect MP for saying Llama has a good gut. I tend to think MP makes those sorts of generalizations all the time. Perhaps MP has seen Llama's gut instincts pay off moreso than not. Although I am questioning his intentions behind stating it.

Spacedaisy, what do you make of the fact that MP ended up quickly turning around and voting for you?
It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.

I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy

On the other hand, I'm going to feel really stupid if I manage to save MP, and he ends up being a baddie

linki: I guess I don't have to worry about this after all, K4J

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.
I can see myself voting for a range of people. I'm eccentric!

Tell me something I don't know

I mean of those who actually have a chance of being lynched. For me, there's Daisy, who started the INH vote, and Vompatti, who seems to be lurking but not posting (unless he left and he has this page open)

Epi, do you see yourself voting for anyone other than MP, there are less then 10 minutes.

So, who should I vote for now? :P

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?
What I meant was that most people are randomly voting (or at least pretending to) on Day 1.

I don't think of Vompatti.

See? This is why I want to lynch these kind of players. Because no one ever thinks about them...except me, obviously. And it's annoying

@linki: thanks, llama. Yeah, at this point is seems like my vote will not matter much anyway, because Epi said he'll vote for MP, and I can't blame him. If MP is a civvie, he kind of dug his own grave with being so scummy, with how he voted for Daisy and his back and forth with me. And I really thought he was a civvie yesterday.

And yeah, I think voting for INH is just wrong

linki: and here goes another vote for MP. I hope you're right

Also, which do you think is worse. Daisy's vote for INH for being over-defensive, or MP's vote for Daisy, for not explaining what is so bad about a strong vote?

thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote: As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.
As MP said, he's usually more aggressive. Could be explained by being busy, though.

Do you still think MP is a civvie?

Most people vote for someone who they really hope is bad. But like I said, I really like your reasoning here Epi.

What do you think of Vompatti? Or like everyone else, you can't read him?

kneel4justice wrote:Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

Lol, talk about the devil....are you?

I wonder where K4J is. Not like him to not be here so close to the lynch without voting

juliets wrote:I'm going to vote MP. I don't play much with inh so maybe I am reading too much into his defensiveness and it appears from what others say he's that way regardless of alignment. With MP, I didn't like the FZ. suspicion but I liked even less that he turned and voted SD, as someone said, out of nowhere. Plus he wanted to vote Dom it seemed just because llama did. It feels too early in the game to have that kind of trust, and llama said he's really not that good at judging character. There were other points TH made in addition to this and altogether it is leading me to vote MP.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, it was me. I'm troubled by what just happened with the hedge vote, though.
I guess this could be from a two team thing as well. Hmm

Turnip Head wrote:Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?

Didn't really like that vote. And why say stop spreading the votes, when there were more people with one vote already, just like MP, and she just gave him his second one? It's like she's trying to push for his vote. Not sitting well with me.
Damn, now I need to decide where to place my vote

thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote: Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti
Vompatti is always like that. He is really hard to read because he is always so zany.

FZ. wrote: @linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?
Dom's first post where he was like "Oh boy howdy, you folks sure like to talk, gee wilikers!" rang false to me, but I wasn't sure. I asked him to elaborate on his Day 1 process to see if I could get anything out of his answer. His answer seemed guarded and intentionally non-specific, and his reasons for his vote seemed flimsy. So, yeah, I don't trust him.

I get that Vompatti is supposed to be zany. It's his MO, his card. But it just felt too much to me. In my first game here, I was really frustrated with how A person and him didn't bother posting anything that seemed remotely on topic (and then AP killed me cause I annoyed him, lol), but it felt like he just didn't bother. The way he just explained how he voted, seemed like trying too hard. He was being funny-check, zany- check, like he made sure everything he's supposed to be was there. I don't know. Maybe it's nothing, but it didn't come off as genuine to me, but rather as though he was trying to be what was expected.

As for Dom, I don't feel I know his style yet. Do you think it's different from how he is usually? I feel going by what I got on him so far, and by your "gut", especially since I don't know what you are, would be unfair at this point.

Wow, this has got to be the most active day 1 I've seen here, in terms of real hunting. I like it!

MP definitely seems all over the place and even though he received a lot of suspicions, TH is the first one to have voted for him. Didn't Dom say he was voting for him? What happened to that vote? The thing I liked least was his sudden vote for Daisy. Where the hell did that come from, and what's up with his suspicions of me. Is he, or is he not?
Thing is, I started out thinking he was one of the people who I trusted the most, but recent events made my good feelings decrease. I tend to trust my gut feelings in the start of the game, so I really don't want to vote for him. I felt he was the one who was pushing the game forward the most.
The, there is Epi. I absolutely loved Epig's analysis of MP, and the funny thing is, before I left for the day I thought I was going to vote for Epi' because I've only played two games with him, one where he was a baddie and one a civvie, and the differences were remarkable, and I felt he was reminding me of that baddie game. But after what he's said in the last 24 hours, he's seeming a whole lot more civvie to me, but we'll see.

I don't think I can follow the INH vote, because it seems like a crappy reason to vote for someone, no offense. Over defensiveness, especially at this stage, is almost always a civvie behavior. Baddies try to keep their cool, and being over defensive so early in the game, is just going to get you in the exact place he seems to be in right now. So, I have to wonder if one of those talking about voting him is a baddie (Daisy, Julliets, and I don't remember who else).

Finally, there is Vompatti, who "went to the trouble" of describing just how he came to vote for Daisy. Seemed really fake to me.
So if I don't want my vote to go to waste, it's between, MP, Daisy and Vompatti

@linki: The Dom thing, I'm not sure I get where you're coming from llama. I didn't like how he voted for MP, with the "K4J made a solid claim" or something, but if MP is a baddie, then maybe Dom was genuine. What was it you felt was not genuine about Dom?

One other thing, I see people pointing fingers at MP for "pushing" for a low poster. I agree that it's too early to decide such a thing, but going after MP for that seems too easy. I always want to vote for those who are not around because I think why the heck sign up if you're not going to play, and it makes it harder for the civs to figure out who is scum. But even though I say it and want it, I usually do it only if I really don't have a reason to vote for someone else. So far, MP hasn't voted...I think. So to me, it seems more like him talking the big talk in order to move the conversation along. Even though I didn't like what he said about me, at the moment, he seems like the person who's moving the game along the most, and for that reason, I think I don't like those who are targeting him. Now I need to go back and see who they were. Damn, this game is too big

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