The Syndicate

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry. I fell asleep on my lap top . I can't believe I didn't vote. I was planning on voting jj, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't, because Russ' words made me feel bad about it. Russ, if you're jj's sister, you're going down But OK. So how do you suggest we deal with jj? Like I said, everything is tainted now. Does the fact he wanted to be lynched mean nothing to you? Would you not expect a civ to tell us they are not a sister?

So again, no lynch? This is happening too much. No night kills, no lynches going through. What's the point in playing, LOL. This never happens so much where I play.

As for the reasons for the vote not going through, whoever said it was a tie, that would still mean a lynch, just randomized. Unless you meant that the other person could survive a lynch. I need to check who that was.
I doubt only civs could survive a lynch, because that would make it too obvious to figure out they are civs.
I can see it as sort of a punishment if what Ello did was real.
I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

Now to the other players. What do people think aboutLizzie? She seems to be very, and I mean very sure about jj. She's also very suspicious of SVS. There's an interesting thing going between them. Lizzie is suspicious of SVS and sure jj is a civ. SVS is sure jj is a baddie and is not disturbed at all by the fact Lizzie thinks he's a civ or by the fact she thinks she's bad. If it was just the latter, I'd understand, but the combination of the two is just really strange to me. I was getting civ vibes from SVS lately, but this is too strange.
What do you think about that?

And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

Welcome back, Dom! I'll be glad to hear from you, I was enjoying having you around earlier in the game.

I've stated my reasons for not voting JJ, over and over at this point. I've also stated that no one has made a thread-based case on him, and that if and only if that happens I will be willing to consider voting him. Anything else isn't playing the game right. If that makes you think I'm bad, so be it.

Like Lizzie said, I've seen civs self-vote out of frustration TONS of times on this site. I've never ever seen a baddie do it, because they feel responsible to their teammates. As for the fact that he hasn't said Elo was lying, I honestly don't know. It is his first game ever, so he almost certainly doesn't know that's protocol. And if he did say so, what difference does it make? Denying something has no effect on its truth at all, logically speaking. So no, neither of the facts you mentioned change my opinion of him, or of what we should do. You want to suspect me for it, be my guest.

You're making an assumption based on games you've played before that doesn't apply here, FZ. Epi handles lynches in such a way that ties are no lynch, not a randomized one. That's unusual, I know, but it's how he plays it. As for there being no NKs, wtf?? Any civ should be glad when an NK doesn't go through, because it can only help us. And I think only one has been survived anyway, so if you are a frustrated baddie, you'll have plenty more chances.

Lizzy wrote:jjjjjjj wtf, mate? I'm trying to save your arse here and you go and change your vote? Not cool, son! This further proves that he is just a frustrated n00bie civ who managed to attract a nice bandwagon of baddies. I flipped a 10 forint coin, because that's all I have left from Budapest, and got tails which was SVS.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: I agree on Bullzeye and MP. I don't know with MP, because maybe he was silenced, and I think voting for him now would be pointless until we know if he's being replaced or not, so I would definitely put him on hold. Not to mention that if he posts a lot it doesn't mean he's a civ so the opposite holds as well. But with Bullzeye, I want more from him. He answered me that he's busy, which means he read the thread, yet he didn't really have much to say. So Bullz.

As I said early in the other game, I've got a ton of work to be doing right now. I had a 4000 word essay which I just finished yesterday, but I still need to finish my postgrad applications, write and schedule 8 interviews for my education dissertation, create some surveys for my psychology dissertation, finish a 1,500 word methodology chapter, revise for an exam, and if I'm really lucky I can also start to work on 5,000 words of writing for psychology. That's why I've not had a lot to say. Also, when I die in a game I'm pretty invested in it puts me into a bad mood with mafia in general where I feel like there's no point in playing because I'll only die anyway.

This last point is really not gonna help me, but I'm going away today until Wednesday, back to uni for some new year parties with some old friends. My activity will be sporadic from later this afternoon until some time on the 1st of January.

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:I need to go to sleep.
I don't get people saying they won't vote for jj because of Elo using that kind of evidence. It's not like we'll be able to forget it. It's in our minds. But since I can't stay and discuss it, I'm willing to talk about him and it next day (if I'm alive).

Wanted to address this. I didn't say or mean that I would not be voting JJJS because Elo used that evidence, just that I would not vote JJJSJJJS based ONLY on that evidence. Whether he's bad or not, no one has at any point built any type of compelling, thread-based case on him at all. When that happens, I'll certainly be willing to vote him, but until then no way. It's unfair to him because it's indefensible, and it's a shitty way to end your first game. It also undermines the integrity of the game, in my opinion. So until someone builds a coherent, thread-based case, I won't vote JJ, and I hope other respect the game enough not to either.

Rusttifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:Also, I went to see who didn't vote for Boo other than me and Mongoose who couldn't vote, and found that all those who voted, voted for him. Interesting, isn't it.

These are the people that did vote for him:
S~V~S (2), johns2jj (4), Russtifinko (6), Lizzy (7), A Person (9), Sorsha (10), MovingPictures07 (11), Bullzeye (12)

I would imagine that if there are two baddies with him, at least one, if not two are on this list. One is probably from the last four. I wonder if there is one that already saw him going down and decided to vote early. I did it plenty of times. I doubt it though, because it was between him and jj, so I'd say they would wait and see. Still, since we could change votes, I can also see them voting early thinking if they had the chance, they'd change. All said, I still think there's a higher chance his teammates are from later on. Also, one possibly being a no voter, if we even had one. The other could be Mongoose.

As for the sisters, they would probably be voting for Boo in an instant, putting their trust in SVS, hence jj's vote, and I imagine the other is one of them as well, or again, Mongoose.

FZ I don't know what we're supposed to make of this analysis. Everyone who voted boo is likely to be bad, because they all have some strategic reason for voting him at the time they did? And Mongoose is bad too. So that leaves everyone but you being bad, except possibly non-voters, who could still be bad.

I don't mean for that last paragraph to sound insulting. I'm just trying to ask what we can make of your anaylsis. It has a lot of words, but I haven't been able to discern any meaning from it that helps me think about the game. Who are your top suspects right now? JJJJJS and Mongoose, I think. Anyone else?

I should also admit at this point that I don't totally get the case against the 'Goose. I know FZ and S~V~S have discussed it a lot, but it seems very circumstantial and, to me at least, still based on lingering doubts from worries about llama that turned out to be false (or at least half-wrong, anyway).

First of all, every one but me is still suspicious to me But seriously, I'm not saying everyone is suspicious. I specifically said one of the last 4 voting for Boo, because I imagine them trying to wait to see if it could go to someone else. I could also extend it to a few of the other players if any of you could tell me how they go about when they are baddies. For example, I can tell you that if I think someone with the power to check roles is on to my buddy, I'd be the second to vote for him/her to save myself realizing they are going down. But again, this is about styles and I don't know any of yours, so I was asking for your help.

As for Mongoose, there are times when she comes off civ and others when she seems fishy. I'm used to playing a one team mafia and I'm not as good when there are two teams of baddies because everyone looks like they are trying to find scum. Her vote fir Lizzie just seemed to come out of the blue, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Russtifinko wrote: For tomorrow, I'd like to take a look in some new places, personally. MP and Bullz, you guys have both been uncharacteristically distant. I know in MP's case that's likely to be even more the case from now on, which is a shame. But even the past few days you've been in Wall of Text mode, as someone called it, in the other game. You didn't even show up here until someone posted that, and then you made a few posts and haven't been up to your usual involved self, in my opinion. And Bullz, you also said you've been focusing more on the other game and haven't given this one attention. It's late enough now that we need all hands on deck, and I'd love to hear from both of you. I'll probably even consider voting one of you.

And Sorsha, I know you just replaced in recently, but what are your thoughts on the things going on? What do you think of S~V~S, or Mongoose, for example?

PS-Very sorry for the mega=post, again. I've been getting one time a day to mafia, so I have to post ALL my thoughts right then. I know it's a bit much, thanks if you read this.

Linki-hahaha now you know why, FZ.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm literally falling asleep on my laptop, so I'm just going to vote. I was hoping for more votes before I decide, but it looks as though it isn't happening. Don't know what's going on with llama, but I guess I can understand your vote change.
As for Mongoose, I don't get why she voted for Vomp of all people.
SVS, I didn't like her line saying she would vote either llama for his suspicions on Mongoose, Mongoose herself just to call out on llama's bluff, or she'll vote someone else completely. If she's so suspicious of him, why not vote him and prove he's a baddie. So I'm torn.

Since it doesn't look like either will be leaving us, it means I need to choose between llama and Vomp. I'll take Vomp down any day because of what I said in the other game, but I think we'll all be voting for him for really bad reasons.

The bolded part, you mentioned this a few times. You said you suspected me for voting Mongoose due to her association with Llama. At that time I thought they were teammates, as i know Llama likes throwing teammates HARD under the bus. I was trying to get him to abandon his (what I believed to be, at least) pretense of suspecting her. Yet you seem to be doing something similar with me & John. Initially i did not understand the suspish of John, but rereading boo as extensively as i did yesterday, I saw some stuff i had missed initially.

Speaking of rereading, i saw your comment just now looking for the post above^^ about being 98% sure either Mongoose or i was bad. I had forgotten that. It isn't me.

I have problems reading Mongoose; her light style, while charming, always sets my bells off, and I almost ALWAYS think she is bad. At the beginning of this game, the combo of that and Llamas goofy "case" against her ( "I am voting for you Badgoose!", etc.) had me convinced they were bad teammates. But him turning up Indy threw my read and radar totally off. When that happens i go quiet, which I did until i read boos "shitty case" remark. That woke me up

So to answer your question, I would not be surprised if she were bad, but I have no specific reason to think so.

Linki~ don't the sisters have the even kill? Thats why I have been kinda avoiding posting, tbh, lol.

Mongoose wrote:Checking in. Reconsidering JJ and the usual suspects.

S~V~S wrote:boo may have been bad, but he is very astute, and is one of the canniest players I know. I find it immensely unlikely that he was pushing John as hard as he was if he believed John to be civ. He spent most of the game looking for sisters, and he felt pretty damn sure about John to my eye, Between the role blocker and the seizing of contraband, the Staff could have gotten some info. And they could read as well as the next person. Which reminds me, FZ. My book gave me a very vague statement that could have been understood several ways. I did not have info to dump.

This fact about boo, and the fact that as soon as I came in pushing boo, John kinda disappeared, not having been seen since voting for boo makes me think about him a bit.

Also, FZ, you did not grasp why I voted for Mongoose for being, to my mind, associated with Llama. Yet you are totally willing to do the same thing yourself, tarring me with the sister brush without even finding out for sure if John is a sister. Interesting.

Odds are good that I am gonna vote for John today.
Linki, lol, I bet you do

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:This is definitely good news!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fantastic result! BIH boo!

I'm going to be on a plane in less than 24 hours, and I honestly might not be able to even be back in this thread at all thereafter. I made an agreement with Daisy that she has to turn her phone off and not worry about work if I don't worry about/talk about mafia, so. :P But if need be, I'll try to pop in to drive-by vote or do whatever I need to. Just know this ahead of time.

As to my thoughts, S~V~S might be bad, but I doubt she's on Shawshank.

I'll be voting for JJJJ next and Mongoose thereafter, I think. Those are my top two. I still really HATE to suspect JJJJ, but given his behavior, combined with Occam's Razor, and I do think he's a Sister. Sucks for him, but it is what it is, and I'd rather catch a baddie than let one go because we're afraid he's been outed.

As to the rest of you, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure I like this. You don't have a single thought that seems your own, no offense. Why Mongoose? I get jj and I voted for Mongoose, but I don't recall you saying anything about her. Unless I forgot.

You can not like it all you want, but it doesn't mean I'm bad. If you do look back at my posts, you will see that I think llama made some good points against Mongoose, and I don't like the way she brought up Lizzy yesterday.

So that's why Mongoose. Partially also because I don't know what's going on with the rest of you. While I chose not to post in this thread, I was busy consuming myself in WWE, and as a result I just don't feel that strongly about anyone else one way or the other. Though occam's razor also suggests BWT is most likely to be good, but of course, that's dependent on that assumption, so take that as you will.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fantastic result! BIH boo!

I'm going to be on a plane in less than 24 hours, and I honestly might not be able to even be back in this thread at all thereafter. I made an agreement with Daisy that she has to turn her phone off and not worry about work if I don't worry about/talk about mafia, so. :P But if need be, I'll try to pop in to drive-by vote or do whatever I need to. Just know this ahead of time.

As to my thoughts, S~V~S might be bad, but I doubt she's on Shawshank.

I'll be voting for JJJJ next and Mongoose thereafter, I think. Those are my top two. I still really HATE to suspect JJJJ, but given his behavior, combined with Occam's Razor, and I do think he's a Sister. Sucks for him, but it is what it is, and I'd rather catch a baddie than let one go because we're afraid he's been outed.

As to the rest of you, I'm not sure.

boo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.

This was my point, that SVS has twisted, when if she could actually read me like she claims, she would have easily picked up on my meaning. I think she did, it just didn't serve her purpose.

I think john is bad because I think Epi would have made sure he had BTSC, and we know Mr Thomas had the civ BTSC.
In addition, I'm quite confident Eloh was Brooks, and knew for a fact that john is a sister.

I don't like lynching him for those reasons. Mine is logical, but not based on anything thread related, and therefore impossible for him to defend against. Eloh's is essentially outting, and I don't like that. But it still amounts to lynching a baddie, and passing that up is foolish, even though the reasons for lynching him are a shitty way to end a first-time players game.

SVS knew that was point my point, but decided to twist it. She is also a sister.

As for why eloh wouldn't have been hostkilled, she stuck by her weak thread-based theory (john being a sister based on llama being a sister), and never actually broke rules (she never explicitly outed, and while she said she had info, the rule is not to state the contents of PMs, not that you cannot say you got PMs). I don't like how she played it, and I think it's what got her killed, but it's within the rules so she technically did nothing wrong.

But if everyone wants to ignore that and let SVS and co take control of the game today, then by all means, the result won't come back in her favour, and assuming the roles needed survive the next night period, you can lynch her and john. I think their third is dead, or I just haven't found them. I have some beliefs about who is on shawshank, but the play of it still feels to far off to make any real sense, and discussing it won't work in my favour in this lynch since it would only have them pile on me.

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?


And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

I also do not understand how book info would be helping S~V~S to the degree she is implying it is, based on what I got.

I agree with you that the kill was likely a real one and also likely coincidence.

I haven't even thought much about Mongoose and Lizzy, with the other stuff going on. I haven't seen much weird from Lizzy, except maybe that she's slightly more serious than usual. I don't think the stuff Mongoose brought up is particularly convincing.

I wonder, though, if bringing her up was a baddie play, why make it now? There are plenty of candidates up for consideration, and not all of them can be bad. If Mongoose were picking on an easily-lynched Lizzy, now doesn't seem the time, when she could just subtly steer the lynch toward non-teammates who are already in the public eye.

Lizzy wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?


And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.

I can't vote for Boo either. I really thought he was right about the beer and we'll get something, lol.
But what worries me about what you did with Lizzie is pick a bit of an easy target at the stage we're at. It is day 6 and there are players who are on the table, Boo, SVS, and jj come to mind. You can't vote for Boo, fine. What do you think of the rest? Do you think they are civvies? What do you think about those thinking they aren't?

Woah! I've never thought I'd live to see this day: FZ telling Mongoose off for picking on me because I seem like an easy target AND we seem to have the same list of suspects as well. I added Goosey to mine just now.

Also, I'm not sure that's what a NO U looks like since I've kinda justified that post.

Mongoose wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?


And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.

boo wrote:Tarring the roof gets you beer, therefore, it is the right option.

boo wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Went with the plate shop... Sorry I missed the lynch vote but I'm not up to speed enough to have made a good decision anyway.

Would someone please explain what the suspicion of Dex was? Seems like it was something to go with the SK role?

The SK hasn't killed yet, so shortly before you replaced in I said because rey hadn't been around I believed he could have that role. I do hope for you (and so that we don't have 2 people killed tonight) that Blatch doesn't kill tonight, because it would not look good, and fresh eyes would be nice to have if it starts seeming like you can be trusted (rey not being around could also fit the bill to being Mr Thomas's BTSC partner, and I'd rather hope you replaced that role than the SK role).

So... nothing for you to speak to really. And it seems the only person I convinced with it was me, so it's not like it matters much.

boo wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

boo wrote:Well, I am not entirely surprised that he was civ, but I am kind of surprised he had civ BTSC. It does make me think the first-time player BTSC rule applies in this game, so I kind of doubt john now. But maybe Epi accounted for that and Thomas and john had civ BTSC. Bleh, not an easy result anyways.

Are we sending in votes via PM Epi, or is the poll just going up later?

I am doubting JJ too now. I was thinking about how llama kept using his almost death and Nev's kill to explain his civviness.

thellama73 wrote:For those of you interested in actual evidence, consider this:
On Night 1, the baddies tried to kill me.
On Night 2, the baddies killed Nevinera, who vocally defended me in the thread on more than one occasion and would certainly not have voted to lynch me.
It would appear that both baddie teams want me out of the picture. Why? Could it be because I am literally the only person pushing Mongoose as a suspect, and if I go she will be able to recede into the safety of the shadows?

Then I was thinking about the back and forth convo between JJ and llama in the beginning of the game. What if this thread talk was all to distance themselves b/c they really have btsc.

thellama73 wrote:
Aso, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt has been voting for me without explanation from the beginning of the game. Why has no one called him on this?

More distancing.

We know that Shawshank baddies did try to kill Llama night one. What if Llama and JJ are Sisters. Llama could use his almost getting killed as a "proof" of civvieness. Then llama/JJ could kill Nev on Night 2 (someone who was defending llama), say "the baddies did it" (not a lie) which becomes llama's second "proof" of his civviness.

Then, when I changed my vote to JJ a couple hours before the lynch ends, llama gets defensive. Weird.

What do y'all think, Llambaddie?

Numbers 32:23 "But if you fail to do this, you will be sinning against the LORD; and you may be sure that your sin will find you out. Haha!

No, for real, I have a lot of favorite verses. But Isaiah 9:6 is pretty befitting for this time of year. It shows the prophesy of Jesus' birth many many many years before it was to happen For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

It seems to me eloh's case against john is predicated on the idea that llama was a sister and john was his teammate. We know llama wasn't a sister, so why is eloh still pushing that john is?

I can't actually find anything else she has said to support john being bad. While I did say I could see him being bad because of the Mr Thomas lynch, and that I thought that was support of new players getting BTSC being something that is occurring in this game, but she didn't actually agree with me on that reasoning, she just said she was also suspicious of him and here's why.

I hadn't previously leaned bad on eloh, but this doesn't actually make sense, so now I'm concerned. Now, I can still fit it into some of my previous thinking, and that's what makes it hard. I would like to believe I've been right to see eloh as civ and have called john a baddie early in the game correctly (even if it is a shitty reason for him to get lynched on).

I don't know. At this point I think I'd have to go with my gut and still trust Eloh on voting john. Her reasoning doesn't still hold up, but I have my own, and I don't want to start doubting my read on her.

Mongoose wrote:Voted JJJJ before I forget. Not really buying the case on Rey yet.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I want to apologize to our host and all of you. With a combination of being in 2 other games, being incredibly busy, and starting to get sick last night (I have the flu, which is tons of fun), My participation lately has been terrible with this game. I'm trying my best to get caught up but honestly I feel incredibly lost. I'll do the best I can though.

Mongoose wrote:I'm so confused. Are we in Day 5? The subject line has jumped back and forth from Night 4 to Day 5 and back again a couple of times, but I don't see a host post (describing who got NK'd, etc.)

Aren't we still in Night 4?

johns2jj wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:Question:
How do you think Norton would go about looking for the contraband? What would be his strategy?

If it was me I'd check the people who seemed in the thread to be most trusted, as they'd presumably be the ones being sent stuff.

Thanks for answering. Not sure I get the logic. Why would the most trusted be the ones getting the stuff? It seems BWT was the most trusted, at least judging by that vote the other night. Do you think it's because he got something?

It would be the most trusted because it confers a benefit and why would red want to give that to someone who he sees as a baddie?

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:Question:
How do you think Norton would go about looking for the contraband? What would be his strategy?

If it was me I'd check the people who seemed in the thread to be most trusted, as they'd presumably be the ones being sent stuff.

A Person wrote:

FZ. wrote:

A Person wrote:

FZ. wrote:Question:
How do you think Norton would go about looking for the contraband? What would be his strategy?

probably in a similar way to how he scans for viruses

Wow, you thought about this one on your own? Impressive.

I'll simplify it for you so you can understand. I meant that if you were a baddie looking for a contraband, who would you search and why? For example, would you search people who said they were suspicious of you, because you thought they might have found out something, therefore wanting to take it away from them? Would you just randomly pick people? Would you pick people you think would more likely be civvies? Or would you use any other strategy when looking for it?

A genuine and helpful answer would be much appreciated

I'd search people i suspect of being part of the sisters' team first because they have a nk and can receive contraband, I'd try to focus on getting rid of suspected civs in lynches.

A Person wrote:

FZ. wrote:Question:
How do you think Norton would go about looking for the contraband? What would be his strategy?

probably in a similar way to how he scans for viruses

Russtifinko wrote:I don't see myself voting either Lizzy or boo today. Lizzy's SK post was weird, but I don't think it makes her the SK by any means. May vote MP, but I'll wait until later on and see if I hear anything from him.

FZ. wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

Whats bad about that?

I don't like being first, and i don;t like being last, and I am at work during the most active hours in this thread, the polls end when i am in work or commuting home.

this is an exceedingly tenuous stretch

Why are you ignoring all that preceded this thought. It's not about the order of your vote, it's about the fact that the way you voted fits someone who would want to search for Fat Ass, but without taking any unnecessary risks.

FZ, I wanted to ask you about this thought, but I think I figured it out. If S~V~S were Hadley, you're saying she basically wouldn't be searching for Fat Ass, right? Because then we'd know she's Hadley and lynch her. So by voting with the majority, she's minimizing the chance she's found if Fat Ass does end up being the role lynched?

It's a fairly strong point, I think, and it means Fat Ass's role is more powrful than I realized. I'll consider voting her today too.

One question: would Hadley vote with the majority all the time? That seems nearly as sure to eventually give him away as voting Fat Ass by mistake. If I were him, I'd be tempted to vote a teammate once or twice just to not be found out. Just curious what you think.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

Whats bad about that?

I don't like being first, and i don;t like being last, and I am at work during the most active hours in this thread, the polls end when i am in work or commuting home.

this is an exceedingly tenuous stretch

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

I agree, but that's why SVS seems baddie to me more than Mongoose, because saying something like she might vote for Mongoose just to call llama's bluff seems ridiculous. If you think he's bluffing, vote for him, not for her. Wouldn't that prove it better? That is so the opposite of pro civ.
And with that, good night

Ya, I see where you're coming from.

I did a brief read of SVS to see if anything stuck out. She does seem to have a lack of really discussing anyone other than who she has voted for and the more discussed people (ie llama), but that's something I have a feeling that can be said for most people in this game simply because of how things have gone.

The one thing that I am considering, is this post of hers from N2 (discussion about voting for people in what we thought was a poll to remove a player from the following days lynch but turned out not to be):

S~V~S wrote:Well, the poll implies someone will get a reward. I would prefer it be a civ. Now I do not have any info, but after seeing what Elo said, I went back and took a good look at BWT. I think I read him pretty well. I think he could be a civ. So I would prefer to reward him rather than someone else. Saying who you feel good about and could potentially trust is as much a part of mafia as saying who you suspect.

And for all the baddies know, with 2 mafias, me, Elo, & BWT could be bad teammates making a particularly ballsy move. I have been known to do so

So saying I trust a particular person in a poll structured this way will not put a target on them anymore than Llama is having a target painted with the votes he has.

It doesn't make me think she's bad any more than the possibility of it I could already see (basically just the same probability of anyone being able to be bad), but it does make me think that if she's bad than either: 1) She, BWT, and Eloh are teammates, and are really relying on a 'none of us will get lynched strategy (and if anyone does, we WIFOM our way out of the ensuing shitstorm)'. OR 2) She wanted (and has continued the strategy since she has continued to show trust for Eloh and BWT) to set at least one of them up in case she gets lynched.

It really doesn't help much, since in either case it results in WIFOM, which takes us back to square one, but I still think if we're going to be discussing SVS for tomorrow's lynch, then this should also be part of the discussion.

My one thought on her being bad: I usually have some opinion of her in a game, with that usually being some reason to trust her, by this point in the game. I really don't have that this game. That being said, if I'm going to vote for someone because of that, I'll be voting rey (I believe I've mentioned this before. He is usually quite active, but he's been just shy of absent this game, and that makes me lean baddie, or maybe LMSing) before I vote SVS.

boo wrote:

FZ. wrote:Every vote SVS made was when people were already on the lynch. She voted for Lizzie when there was already votes on her, she voted for MR, and for MT. All had votes but were not sure to get lynched when she placed the vote.

It feels a little WIFOM-y, simply because Hadley could take the strategy of not voting different people each time for fear of getting caught, but could also take the strategy of going with the majority every time. It really comes down to whether or not they (and their team) felt it was worth trying to get a single civvie, who is otherwise vanilla.

I wouldn't vote for someone (SVS or Mongoose) on it alone, but it is something I would take into account in looking at lynching them.

Also: as far as I'm concerned, BIH llama. An indie with unspecified win conditions is not a civvie, so as far as I'm concerned, his death is a good thing. I would have preferred him to be the SK ofc, but I never expected him to be a sister (or on shawshank and they RBed the NK N1 to give him cred).

thellama73 wrote:idiots.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, is that good or bad for the civs? I wonder if his role allowed him to find something about Mongoose.

I was debating with myself whether to wait some more and see if I can gather more evidence, but I figured I need to say this just in case I somehow die and won't get the chance:

I went over the roles and thought of something interesting. There's this Fat Ass guy, whose role description says that if Hadely votes for him, he dies. So I figured Hadely would be trying to vote for a different person each day until he finds Fat Ass. The only two people, other than llama (who seemed to change his vote from Mongoose for real reasons), who voted for different people every day are Mongoose and SVS who ended up not voting today. So Mongoose has 4 different votes and SVS has 3 with one missing from today. And I kept asking her about her vote, but she never showed up to actually do it.
So we have Mongoose who's reasoning for not voting someone new was to keep the tie (weird) and voting for someone else with no good reason. And we have SVS who didn't vote but said she would vote for either llama, who she voted for, Mongoose, who she didn't yet, just to call llama's bluff (scummy as hell if you ask me), or someone completely different (keeping an option to try yet another player).

Even though Mongoose was the one voting for 4 different people, SVS is the one that looks more like Hadely to me, but I'm still thinking about it.

Interesting point. Consider the alternative though: Hadley may not want to vote for Fat Ass for fear of being caught. Think about it, if Fat Ass dies we'll know who voted for him and if it's only one person we've just netted a baddie.