The Syndicate

Dom, I saw the orange early this morning and thought Epi had posted in here, but it was your old post!

Congrats on the promotion!

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I love you Dom, but never again >:(

Let me say, I was bummed when Dom got killed. As a host, you want to see roles take shape, and I like to think that I write interesting independent roles. But you brought him back!

Elmo Blatch had no Night kill. He would inherit Bogs' and Hadley's kills if they died. However, if someone voted for Dom and he was not lynched, then Dom could kill someone that voted for him and frame anyone. So finally he got to use his power and kill MR making it look like you did it.

Had MR not voted Dom, who knows?

That is an awesomely devious power!

Great game all around! I got to change my style up a bit and it worked for all of a couple days before I screwed myself with the contraband distribution ill.

A Person wrote:i never got any contraband

I tried to take from you and found out you had none.

Dom wrote:MR you sending me tht pack of smokes actually kind of killed you

Yep, next day is when I started hating that decision, ffs.

Best role I've had in a long.time though, Epi! Thanks.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! What a game!

I still have no idea why I got to replace...

Well, if BwT's civ, he hasn't been a helpful one. And if he's bad, golden.

Good gents.

Well, I'm going out to get good ol' fashioned drunk soon, so

Dom wrote:MR, your total incooperation isn't helping. At all.

I prefer, "hubris".

S~V~S wrote:Oh good, i am glad to hear that , A Person

And i did not say special events, i said a specific event. I am asking for some specific feedback, not looking for more confusing posts about how A can't be B, unless it is C, but then of course, it can only be B on the first Thursday after the full moon.

there is one person i trust. I thought it was Dom. Based on something you said, that I remarked on, it could be you. the more you say, the more i doubt it, TBH, but that could just be my "snark=baddie" bias. The person i trust, i trust. You should not be so fast to blow me off.

If this is clear enough: My question and comment was related to what I did, not a game event. I cannot be any more specific than that.

I voted you already anyways. *votes Dom*

We lost one of 3 possible civs yesterday. Knowing I'm civ, I'm not going to stop until you two take a good, long look at each other. Because at least one of you is bad, bad, bad.

Dom, I think you think I'm Haig because you tried to kill last night and couldn't, tbqh. Are you implying that Hadley's kill would trickle down to Blatch for some reason, as Bullz suggested, and not the last remaining Shawshanker? Or do you think, if you think I'm Haig, I chose not to kill on a key night the other night?

I still say you're Blatch.

Linki: Stating SVS's vote for her. Cool. Well, if you're the Sisters, then I'm f*cked anyways, aren't I?

DP - or not! I guess I'll let SVS answer then.

SVS: I think I get what you're saying. If you think Dom is what I think you're hinting at, he's not. And with last night's event under consideration, if that's the only reason you're trusting him, I'd think about reassessing that trust.

S~V~S wrote:i could have been reading into it, MR gives good words. He can weave them well.

I know you don't like me using orange, so I won't; I'll be straightforward: When have I ever been shown to do that? I'm not exactly a master manipulator when it comes to this game.

And as for Dom's voting record theory, ask yourselves if both MP and I have ever been the type to toss teammates under the bus, even when they're under the microscope. Ask yourselves when I've ever named a teammate as part of my post. I've been posting from a Nook for weeks and stated in numerous games that when I'm not at work, my ability to structure cases is severely hindered. But I try damn hard to get my votes in on time and say as much as my fingertips allow.

Linki: I don't think SVS meant JJ's lynch, as my post she found reassuring was in reference to Lizzy's. Your seeming ignorance to the situation does give me pause and make me wonder if you're a certain other baddie than I estimated though...

S~V~S wrote:I can't, really. Something happened to me. I thought it was related to a specific event, and i actually still think so. But MR made a remark that implied possible knowledge of it. Dom might or might not understand what i am saying.

i could have been reading into it, MR gives good words. He can weave them well.

No special events were involved in the making of my posts.

Dom, so how does your SK theory mesh with the I'm the last Shawshanker theory again? I'm calling shenanigans on this.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOrly?

Better to overestimate than underestimate.

But hey, maybe you won't?

Gee, thanks for stopping by, BwiT.

I'm quite confident that I will be killed by someone tonight. My only hope is that both killers take me out to minimize the casualties.

I'm taking up smoking, this shit is too stressful.

Double-sigh.

Oh well, I can only do so much with the disaster that I walk into, friends...whoever you are.

No.

And this night poll gives the Sisters the very advantage in the next lynch that I attempted to negate in this one.

My how the turn tables...

At first it seemed like you were pegging me as the last Shawshanker. But SVS mentioned something about the SK, so now I am unsure. :/

Dom wrote:Although, even if they did, I wouldn't tell you. You're trying to get me to out two civvies.

I'm absolutely not.

If you haven't picked up what I was putting down before and with the knowledge I have, then we're at an impasse.

I'm now trying to figure out what you could possibly think I am from the remaining baddie roles.

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I don't know SVS's role.

What do your roles have to do with allusions to tobacco products?

Llama and I made note of this on Day 0/1. We have changeable votes. I'm surprised more civs haven't used this to their advantage, including you two, assuming you are both civ.

Liar.

I have answered your questions as completely as allowable thus far.

May you answer mine? It's the second line in the quoted material.

I don't know SVS's role.

What do your roles have to do with allusions to tobacco products?

Llama and I made note of this on Day 0/1. We have changeable votes. I'm surprised more civs haven't used this to their advantage, including you two, assuming you are both civ.

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Do you care if there is a lynch today or not?

But your little allusions to cigs did not go unnoticed by me, MR. You are baddie bad baddie.

And walk me through how point A leads you to conclusion B.

Speaking of A, I think I might vote for A Person.

This is intense as f*ck.

Do you care if there is a lynch today or not?

^Well if he knows that's what you believe, then it won't really affect his willingness to participate no matter where you vote, will it. I'm most serious in my threat to him. Making it to Day 11 on a near-silent game is ridiculous from where I'm standing.

But here's my proposal. I want to even this up. I said SVS and Dom could lynch Lizzy without me and I intend for that to happen. I have no problem with a Lizzy lynch. Just...smoke 'em if ya got 'em, if you catch my drift.

MP has played a smart civ game thus far. Depending on how Lizzy flips: Sister, civ, or something else, I want to make sure I have my sights set on the right person(s) after the result.

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Dom wrote:But will BWT vote?

I would say, "Let's give him a reason to", but you guys haven't exactly been open to discussion, haha.

Who is "you guys" and you can't be serious????? There's been a lot of discussion today???

You, SVS, and Bullz. Should have used my sarcasti-orange there.

I'm open to discussion. What do you want to discuss?

Telling me you're not gonna try to kill me again tomorrow night would be a good start.

It's somewhat late now. But BWT's general lack of presence is concerning, though I don't remember him posting much in another game either (not sure if it was Meat Boy or WWE). Since we have change-able votes, I wouldn't be against prodding him out of his seclusion.

Something to keep in mind.

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Dom wrote:But will BWT vote?

I would say, "Let's give him a reason to", but you guys haven't exactly been open to discussion, haha.

Who is "you guys" and you can't be serious????? There's been a lot of discussion today???

You, SVS, and Bullz. Should have used my sarcasti-orange there.

Dom wrote:But will BWT vote?

I would say, "Let's give him a reason to", but you guys haven't exactly been open to discussion, haha.

I'll be perfectly honest, all of you seem so bad right now.

And BwiT's probably stting back and laughing at us right now.

Dom and Bullz: I'm basing what I think about Blatch on the character himself. I don't see why he'd have to have a team eliminated before he kills, but I could see him being rezzed by the Shawshankers, or when the Warden dies, or something of that nature. That's what made me wary about Dom's rezz, surely that makes a modicum of sense given the source material.

However, the timing of it coincides with the Warden's death pretty well, and I did not fully consider the implications of that before.

The only other suspect I marginally have on the backburner for the SK is BwIT. Your theory would certainly lend reason as to why he wouldn't really care about participating in the thread until he gets his ability to kill.

Should I be?

You guys should be able to guarantee her lynch without my vote anyways.

linki @Dom: I told SVS, I don't think the SK would vote for SVS, and I think the SK has reason to vote early and stick with that vote.

We eliminate the SK today, we eliminate 1 of 2 kills tonight. Things maybe become a 2-2 ratio. Decent odds for civs.

We eliminate a Sister today, there is still a chance we're left with 2 kills tonight, which results in a high possibility that 2 civs die tonight, quickly turning that 3-2-1 ratio into a 1-2-1 ratio. Best odds for both the baddie team and SK. Horrible odds for the civ.

Idk, the maths and coming in to this little trust-wagon between certain members is a helluva lot to ponder. I wonder what AP, Bullz, and Lizzy think?

Sorry to frustrate you, SVS! <3

SVS: You're wrinkling my brain. Like, ridicuballs amounts.

Dom wrote: LINKI:
MR, you literally just said, "lol wot happen". You didn't build a case. I would hardly call that "bringing her name back into the picture".
You're not making much sense to me.

MR, I am a civvie. I'll repeat what I said, vote me if you must, but you're only damning the civvie cause.

And there were no Mongoose votes before I posted that. Why even mention a teammate by name in that instance at all?

I believe one of you to be the SK. I just trust SVS more.

Well consider my confidence and self-esteem about my abilities in Mafia to be through the roof right now; thanks SVS. :/

Dom: I said I brought up Mongoose and Bullz in a post long before her lynch (almost immediately after I subbed in), reminding everyone of former suspicions against both of them.

I see what you're thinking MP and then I did. It makes no sense. Why throw a teammate under the bus when there is no indication that they will be discussed for lynch that day?

linki: Yes, you got it dude.

S~V~S wrote: Linki @MR~ so then why are you trying to lynch Dom instead of the people who tried to kill me?

That illustrates why I think he's a good candidate for Elmo, actually.

You talked about Baddie vs. Baddie etiquette. If he's a SK, why not build trust with you in a baddie lynch?

Lynch the baddies and kill the civs at night, that's the SK way.

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.

Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.

that's not what I meant.
You voted for Mongoose towards the end, that's what I meant.
You had already replaced MP, as well, correct?

I did not vote in the boo lynch. MP was still MP, if that's what you're asking.

And yes, I had replaced MP by the Mongoose lynch. I actually brought her name back into the picture, along with Bullz's.

One more thing:

Dom wrote: How did MR vote in Boo's lynch?
MP was MR at that point. He was one of the last Boo voters. Same with Mongoose.

Mongoose was not at the end of the boo voters. I just checked. She was voter #5, and not for boo at all.

Dom wrote: I think secret aspects of roles are at work here. I had plenty of nights to kill, MR, if I was the SK. Why would I wait until now? You didn't notice there wasn't a kill from Hadley's team?

And there are plenty of block/protect options at play in this game.

Do I think you waited 4 nights? No. Could you have waited 3 of those nights? Possible. Could you have waited 2 of those nights? Very likely.

And I actually did bring up that there wasn't a kill from the 'Shankers a few posts ago. Sorry if you missed it in all my linkitis, haha.


linki @SVS: What? How many times do I need to say I feel better about you than anyone else. And now I'm somehow trying to force a lynch between Dom and you?

linki X2 @SVS: Well, I hate to bring up Liar's Club again, but it was the last game where we were co-civs.

S~V~S wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:And thanks for patting yourself on the back there, but John would have been lynched regardless

So you lied when I asked you a question pertaining to a certain method of vote manipulation during the lynch?

Dom:

I don't see Tommy being rezzed as a part of his secrets

I don't see a trusting civ bringing you back

I don't see your library choice giving you a rezz, given the contents of the book

I absolutely CAN see a SK coming back from a kill and laying low for 1-2 more nights. Elmo killed on Night 9. Elmo is the only other role I can see still in play that has secrets.


linki @SVS: I think Bullz tried to kill last night and is the last Shawshanker.

SVS: What do you feel about me then?

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Oh, I did. What I'm saying is using that as an excuse for his SVS vote is pretty shoddy. To claim that he did so because I swayed him from his original intention reads BS, ESPECIALLY this late in the game. To claim he was influenced by a replacement that he was already debating about his own civility with is a matter that doesn't add up to me.

And I have nothing on SVS. I don't think she's a Sister. And I don't think she's the SK, because I still think that's you.

If I didn't make a clear enough statement by saving her from being lynched and lynching JJ instead, I will not be voting for her today.

I don't understand why you think I must be the serial killer. I am not.

Mister Rearranger wrote:And 2 Nights is not "plenty of time". I know plenty of ways you could have failed at killing on both nights, let alone if your game play was a night or two off to begin with.

I had two nights when I was alive, then I was rezzed Day 7. I had night 7, night 8, night 9. I'm sorry, but that's plenty of time. I'm not the serial killer. I think it's pretty clear that there are secrets afoot here.
In addition, are you implying I missed PMs? Ask SVS if I miss PMs; she has hosted me planty of times to know my game pretty well. I do not miss PMs. MR, you are twisting a circumstantial event to fit your misguided belief.

No, I'm not saying you missed PMs. Many people discussed the fact that certain SKs of the past have held off on a kill or two.

You didn't answer my question. What are your "other options"?

What are your thoughts on the events of the SK striking now?

I am leaning Dom if I cannot sort AP and Lizzy out. I'd rather catch the SK I'm more sure of as opposed to guess on a Sister and be wrong.

However, this is why I'm taking the time to discuss this with you. My vote will sit on Dom for now and I'll be around to change it as I see fit.

linki - Really pinpointing it there, aren't ya. Look at how his drive-by vote affected things yesterday. If I had not been around to catch that, change my vote (which I changed back and then almost got tripped on AGAIN by Bullz before changing one more time), you would have been a goner.

I'm just saying, I think the timing of his votes and posts could do for a look-back, that's all. :whistle:

If you did use any of manips, you weren't the only one who used 'em to get a baddie lynched. I did. You're welcome.

So who do you think the other baddies are?

Or do you believe they are dead?

Sorry for the triple post, but I meant "game plan" there.