The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 3:34 am [VOTE: Simon] aubergine

c'mon lol

You think?

Simon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 9:25 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:42 am While I still have time, here's the rough state of the game.

AS, motobot, and Simon are barely doing anything. motobot seems the least impressive slot of the three at a glance, but I'm not happy with AS's (lack of) effort either at this point. Meta from a previous game can only get you so far when you have a do-nothingist playstyle anyway.

dunya is a dead slot, someone vig this please. Thank you.

falcon's not looking any more impressive than when I last voted him, I'll give you that much.

Brad had a stupid tunnel D2 and refused to do anything afterwards. Don't go all "woe is me" about the Porscha wagon when you yourself said you weren't gonna do anything to stop it.

LC and LoRab look better than most people, but that's such a low bar to clear at this point.

Michelle's posts look alright I guess.

sig is basically another dead slot at this point.

I guess TSP is my top town read, but even he has done barely anything of late.

Try harder people.
It seems as if you are suspecting a handful of players. So then who would you be voting for?

I find it reasonable if you do not wish to answer.

Oof, eight minutes late for that question, friendo!

Oh, can't you guys see... that you're in LOVE?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 7:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 6:51 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 12:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 4:55 am
Also you just became clear via getting lynched. Aren't you supposed to be getting shit done yourself?

Or are you still going to sit on your ass and be a non-factor this game?
Why is it that whenever I call out your crap this game your only response is "no u"? Am I supposed to magically divine which of these like ten people who are doing absolutely nothing are wolves?
Because I've done significantly more compared to the people you're talking about.

This has literally gone on the entire game.

But for some reason you're unable to see it, and the fact that you're confirmed town actually makes this entire thing worse.
Like it or not, you have to towntell here. I do not. I'm also waiting on all this stuff you supposedly are doing, as you have not put forward one real suspicion besides me.

When Nick Fury tells you, you best be saluting.

What about... Lorab?

Is she very Towny?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 6:36 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

In the poll too!

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I think there's probably at least one Wolf in them.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:39 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:15 am I for one will not blindly trust leetic.
I probs won't vote for any of the kids today---ffs I am a YaYa how could I?
Plan on taking my time this round.
She was defending the kids, meaning that probably she was against wolves' plans to obtain an easy mischop?

How do you know the kids aren't the Wolves?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:01 pm Idk where to start with this activity, maybe with NKA.

Meanwhile, is anyone here?

So who was Roxy after?

I don't know why participation fell off a cliff like this. Maybe everyone's doing behind the scenes stuff LOL.

@leetic sounds like an apt summary for the most part.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:58 pm time to ditch the ship or whatever the phrase is I cvan't htink straight

Nooooo Tony! You've gotta fight it!

You need to put extra or electric blankets on the bed, have a cup of tea of chicken soup, a hot shower, and go to bed early. 12 hours in bed, staying under the covers even though you are sweating so much. In the morning your sheets will be soaked, and you will fell better. This has worked for me 4 or 5 times when I'm getting sick.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 4:12 pm What about you, what would you do?

It would all depend on whether the Hydra team gets to know that I have converted. If not, then it would definitely be a late game thing.

Hypothetically, Michelle, at what point would you choose to switch in her position?

Who's excited for the Deadpool and Wolverine movie?

Alright, < 5 hours of silence left until the night post can't wait.

*part

I was thinking more along the lines of the park that says., "You cannot change your win condition."

Like, that's kind of a given for almost every mafia role you ever get and it goes without being said. I feel like it was mentioned because it implies involuntarily alignment change.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 8:24 pm So it's a good thing that we're probably not dealing with a cult. Some town members being able to voluntarily change their alignments is nonetheless concerning, however. Solid lynch, but I wouldn't give too much credit as the wolves were likely unaware if Porscha was on their side.

I do believe your role implies the likely possibility of some form of involuntary recruitment, don't you agree?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:47 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm I think my main 3 townreads remain on Syn and Michelle at this point.

Simon prolly town since he's still trying.
I agree on Syn. I find Michelle somewhat inscrutable, maybe. Simon can also be Town.

So you're mad that I voted Porscha, huh? You don't have to just revenge vote me, man. That's lame. Instead, maybe we could start some form of towncore? I was in a towncore recently. Sort of. It was great!
Not a fan of it but your track record between SVS and her isn't great.

But I also am aware my track record is ass.

But yours counts.
Ah, S~V~S, I was wondering what other "town" I had gone after, from your earlier coment. But I don't know that she's Town, I assume that you don't either, and only believe it.
Yes believing since only 1 person has been dying per night so guessing those people dying at night are town.

Yes, of course. I had a momentary lapse there, apologies.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm I think my main 3 townreads remain on Syn and Michelle at this point.

Simon prolly town since he's still trying.
I agree on Syn. I find Michelle somewhat inscrutable, maybe. Simon can also be Town.

So you're mad that I voted Porscha, huh? You don't have to just revenge vote me, man. That's lame. Instead, maybe we could start some form of towncore? I was in a towncore recently. Sort of. It was great!
Not a fan of it but your track record between SVS and her isn't great.

But I also am aware my track record is ass.

But yours counts.

Ah, S~V~S, I was wondering what other "town" I had gone after, from your earlier coment. But I don't know that she's Town, I assume that you don't either, and only believe it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm I think my main 3 townreads remain on Syn and Michelle at this point.

Simon prolly town since he's still trying.
I agree on Syn. I find Michelle somewhat inscrutable, maybe. Simon can also be Town.

So you're mad that I voted Porscha, huh? You don't have to just revenge vote me, man. That's lame. Instead, maybe we could start some form of towncore? I was in a towncore recently. Sort of. It was great!
I rolled with gangs once.

I rolled with gangs all the time.

Like Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs Of New York?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm I think my main 3 townreads remain on Syn and Michelle at this point.

Simon prolly town since he's still trying.
And yes I had 3 because I had in my mind that I had 3...then I looked at the list again and realized it was only 2.

And then yeah relooked and Simon is here so hi.

Yeah, no, it was a thrill ride... I was like "but that's only... computing... this checks out then"

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:27 pm I think my main 3 townreads remain on Syn and Michelle at this point.

Simon prolly town since he's still trying.

I agree on Syn. I find Michelle somewhat inscrutable, maybe. Simon can also be Town.

So you're mad that I voted Porscha, huh? You don't have to just revenge vote me, man. That's lame. Instead, maybe we could start some form of towncore? I was in a towncore recently. Sort of. It was great!

Let's do a shit ton right now!

leetic wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 8:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 8:30 pm I may support voting Long Con this upcoming day phase because this dude keeps trying to push town...and pushed one out successfully.
Hate to break it to you, but Porscha probably wasn't town

No, from what Epi wrote, I don't think she had turned.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 8:50 pm I'm not as pleased as you guys are about that chop and saying she would have betrayed us is copium

Ooo, one electron off, it was actually made of jokium.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 8:30 pm I may support voting Long Con this upcoming day phase because this dude keeps trying to push town...and pushed one out successfully.

Yeah ok no one remembers that Day when Lime Coke dominated the thread and insisted leetic out.

She woulda betrayed us.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 12:01 pm What everyone thinks about Falcon?

Today's posts are not solving and I should read his all Iso who is not long, but also I want other opinions.

I was told he's on a rock n roll concert tour or something.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:30 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:27 pm @Long Con have I been wolfy or have I been what you don't expect town porscha to look like, they are 2 separate things, and I would prefer if you could tell me I'm the former and not the latter, the latter feels bad to hear when I am in fact town
You are not the same as your last two Town games, so let's combine the two options into something like, "You have been different from what Town Porscha looks like, and I think that is Wolfy."
Can you read me off something other than meta please?

My original read on you, which led to my vote, had no meta involved. It was based on your ISO.

I went to look at your meta to see if this was your usual Town game, but it is not like those games.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:29 pm Also why did nobody else engage with moto's logic on voting me... it's objectively strange play unless we just are holding the youngins to a lower standard

Which is OK btw, just. It's part of why I am struggling to engage

Someone did. You did. Seems appropriate.

For me, if moto believes that Abigail is your Wolf partner and was dropping an inconsequential vote on you for distancing... and that leads him to vote you, which I obviously approve of... then there's nothing I need to engage with?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:27 pm @Long Con have I been wolfy or have I been what you don't expect town porscha to look like, they are 2 separate things, and I would prefer if you could tell me I'm the former and not the latter, the latter feels bad to hear when I am in fact town

You are not the same as your last two Town games, so let's combine the two options into something like, "You have been different from what Town Porscha looks like, and I think that is Wolfy."

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 9:39 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example
@Long Con
Convince me.
No I was asking why you would choose me over her based on the singular criteria you were voting me for lol

I wanted your thought process on why you specifically chose me over someone else who could probably be described as having a similar amount of content or whatever

I didn't choose you over Michelle. I simply chose you. Like I chose sig. And Syn.

@TonyStarkPrime hope you feel better. Throwing up is the worst. I'll never give in until there is no choice.

I looked at Syn and tried to be critical, but nothing stood out to me as suspicious. Reasonable level of engagement, given that he's been very busy this week.

I have always thought of Syn as male, despite the tired Lisa avatar.

I looked at Town Porscha in the Game of Champions, and she was much more involved and accusational than she is in this game.

I looked at Town Porscha Battle of the Bands, and she's very aggressively hunting in the first two days.

I even wrote an essay about it:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:57 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:38 pm ok I expect an essay on why I'm the best mafia player for voting a wolf

Why Porscha Is The Best Mafia Player

Porscha is amazing at Mafia. She's very skilled because she votes for the people everyone says is Mafia, and she does so fearlessly, without equivocation. The way she places a vote like that is an absolute shining beacon of towniness, especially when contrasted with others who speak out one side of their mouths. The object of the game is to win, and Porscha has shown great WIM and confidence, in a way that will get the Townies there, if they can just get with it.

When players call out a player as suspicious, or wolfy, but then don't vote there, it's often a sign that they don't really know what they're saying, or, commonly, they are just Wolves who are trying to see what they are allowed to say. Porscha exhibits none of those qualities. Instead, she makes a clear-headed, straightforward statement in the thread, and in the poll: This is the player that I suspect, and it's not about what everyone else thinks, it's about what I think! Undeniably towny, and more likely to finish the game in the Win column.

Many players have been seen talking about certain suspicions, and yet not casting a vote to follow up with them. Even when a suspicion seems to be nigh-universal, players are seen to ask others if they should be voting for their suspicion. This indicates a concern with how they are seen by other players, as though they know that the fake suspicion they are peddling will come back on them if they push it too hard. These players come across as wishy-washy, indecisive, and pandering. Not so with Porscha! A fearless vote for a shameless suspicion, and those sad-handed pleasers be damned. Strong, and respectable.

The ultimate goal is to win, and to eliminate players not on your team. A player like Porscha exhibits the better qualities of such a winner, and, as actions become results, so too is Porscha more likely to become a winner. Self-doubt, second-guessing, and pandering to the masses, are things that Porscha leaves behind, unwanted and unneeded. With a laser-focus on a victorious endgame, Porscha sets an example for us all, to be better winners, and by extension, better players.

In conclusion, Porscha is probably the number one townread in the game at this time, due to her skillful voting, confident suspicions, and winning clarity and acumen. This player deserves everybody's respect and admiration, and, if they are able, emulation.

Porscha in this game is nothing like her previous two games where she was town.

Quiet day for a weekend.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 4:32 am @long con why me over michelle, for example
@Long Con

Convince me.

We are Priming up here in Canada too... it's freaky.

motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:16 pm TBH I'm still slightly confused myself about leetic being back.

It is quite unusual.

motobot wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:21 pm I may have missed it but has Abigail Sophia posted once in this day phase?

I don't recall a post from her.

Simon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:17 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:08 pm
Simon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:56 pm Brad isn't exactly off the hook either, and there are a couple of reasons as to why.

The first reason lies within his behavior throughout the duration from day 2 to now. I've noticed that ever since the large debate between Brad and the recently resurrected leetic, Brad has had quite the temper since then. He may have also felt psychologically corned seeing as leetic was getting more people who trusted him. Ok some people trusted him and that includes myself, but others didn't. Brad on the other hand, only had a small amount of people who trusted him. (I even recall someone saying that said debate did nothing to move the game along after I said it was riveting, even though it started as the first piece of the puzzle that would lead up to how I was able to deduce this. But I'm getting off topic. Anyway, I suspect Brad is trying to use this temper in such a way to make others believe that he is being sincere. It's possible that he isn't holding much of any grudges anymore, but even so, this has not been overlooked.

The second reason is that he's been awfully quiet when it comes to accusations, especially when someone asks him a question or two. While it isn't illegal to dodge questions, I do believe it will make that person more suspicious the more it happens. I have read some replies of his that look like they were suggesting that he was shooting down different kinds of speculations from others. In other words, I haven't really seen him agree with anyone lately. And keep in mind, he hasn't really given much info lately either, so there is a bit of hypocrisy in this, but of course, I could be misremembering things, so please correct me if I am wrong about anything.
The first reason, you are describing a known, and not-well-regarded, tactic. Appeal To Emotion. Shortened to AtE.

What you described does happen. I don't think that this is a case of that. I think Lime Coke's frustration was genuine and that he's probably town.
First of all, I didn't know that was an actual thing so thanks for telling me that.

Second of all, I can understand if he was still recovering from all of that. It just seemed like something I had to talk about.

It's legit. You could be right.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:55 pm Leetic's back eh? And SVS is dead?

WTF
Interesting question there...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:42 pm How did leetic come back to life, and was S~V~S an exchange, or an unrelated regular nightkill?
Sounds like the Maf are curious what happened to their nightkill
And now you're gonna throw shade at someone who's basically doing the same thing. Seriously? And it's not like any of your other recent contributions have been great, so [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Falcon! You did that to me?

Simon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:56 pm Brad isn't exactly off the hook either, and there are a couple of reasons as to why.

The first reason lies within his behavior throughout the duration from day 2 to now. I've noticed that ever since the large debate between Brad and the recently resurrected leetic, Brad has had quite the temper since then. He may have also felt psychologically corned seeing as leetic was getting more people who trusted him. Ok some people trusted him and that includes myself, but others didn't. Brad on the other hand, only had a small amount of people who trusted him. (I even recall someone saying that said debate did nothing to move the game along after I said it was riveting, even though it started as the first piece of the puzzle that would lead up to how I was able to deduce this. But I'm getting off topic. Anyway, I suspect Brad is trying to use this temper in such a way to make others believe that he is being sincere. It's possible that he isn't holding much of any grudges anymore, but even so, this has not been overlooked.

The second reason is that he's been awfully quiet when it comes to accusations, especially when someone asks him a question or two. While it isn't illegal to dodge questions, I do believe it will make that person more suspicious the more it happens. I have read some replies of his that look like they were suggesting that he was shooting down different kinds of speculations from others. In other words, I haven't really seen him agree with anyone lately. And keep in mind, he hasn't really given much info lately either, so there is a bit of hypocrisy in this, but of course, I could be misremembering things, so please correct me if I am wrong about anything.

The first reason, you are describing a known, and not-well-regarded, tactic. Appeal To Emotion. Shortened to AtE.

What you described does happen. I don't think that this is a case of that. I think Lime Coke's frustration was genuine and that he's probably town.

LOL sig has so few posts!!

Everyone point and laugh! LAUGH at the low-poster!!

Then check his posts out. Won't even take long!

I think he's Town.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but Porscha's ISO is unimpressive. Two-thirds of her posts are fluff, insisting Wilgy might not have been killed by Wolves, and chattin' it up with Brad.

There's a handful of reads, none with in-depth reasons, or reasons at all.

Maybe a quarter of her posts could be labelled "light engagement", but I was being generous to even get that number.

LC, man, there's nothing there. You went apeshit on leetic for not giving reads and "having a worldview". Do you not feel the cognitive dissonance when you decide Porscha's Town? She has next to nothing.

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 5:55 pm Don't really agree with voting out Porscha.

Yes, but your reasons are largely personal. I thought her ISO was practically devoid of content and engagement. I'll have another look now.

The briefcase is a metaphor.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:46 am I got to drive into work (yay!!! )

Then meetings mostly I'll be hopping in and out.

Happy Fry-Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also have to drive into work.

.........yay.

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