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Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:41 am Tim, thanks for believing in me.

Man, you pocketing him all game made me extremely suspicious. Whereas I still read Kyle as good this whole time despite the role reveal, I’m still not convinced you aren’t mafia either.

And that’s the #truth

Hey, HE pocketed ME! I was just appreciative of his support, and my appreciation went a long way this time.

Tim, thanks for believing in me.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:23 pm @Gavial Kyle didn't try to kill you. He tried to kill Long Con, knowing the jailkeep would keep LC alive.

I was 50/50 on that, or just plain holding the kill.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:24 pm If it wasn’t for Tim, Kyle would have won for mafia.

God bless those 3ps! People are too hard on them these days, just because a mean host basically set us up to lose to one. Or something like that.

I'll always be a staunch 3p fan and supporter.

Imagine though if you actually were Exe with Vulgard as target.

That's where my Win Condition is to get him chopped, right? I would have played much differently if that were the case.

He was just so darn suspicious!

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:23 pm @Gavial Kyle didn't try to kill you. He tried to kill Long Con, knowing the jailkeep would keep LC alive.

I was 50/50 on that, or just plain holding the kill.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:24 pm If it wasn’t for Tim, Kyle would have won for mafia.

God bless those 3ps! People are too hard on them these days, just because a mean host basically set us up to lose to one. Or something like that.

I'll always be a staunch 3p fan and supporter.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:51 pm Kyle was so gonna carry mafia there

Probably. I don't know if he would have survived a Final 3, but maybe!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:18 pm My heart broke when Tim killed Kyle. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Tim did that with every intention of hitting a civilian. That completely changed the complexion of the endgame. Before that, I thought Kyle was going to win, or Kyle and Tim were going to win together.

That's exactly what I said a few pages ago... no way Tim intended to help us like that. Kyle was ironically TOO townread for his own good.

It was lame to be the only vanilla town in a game of JOATs.

Yay! We grinded it out. I wish Tim would have won it with us.

One thing I would like to note is that Tim claimed he can go to any Shrine any night, and can repeat the same Shrine multiple nights in a row.

My own power works the same way, I went to namira last night and I am allowed to go there tonight, I just asked the host.

That doesn't preclude Tim from being an independent role, it just lends credibility to some of his claim at least.

Just in case this tim thing doesn't work out, I need a shrine name please.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:32 am Make sure you let us know what the FINAL plan is.
At this point I'm hoping TSP isn't the 3p otherwise letting him decide the nightplan is... yeah.

He really doesn't seem like he's faking.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:13 am I'll be real, I kinda just want to kill Tim and be done with it. If he's 3p, I'm going to scream "I told you so" about my push on him earlier in the game, even though this means he wasn't even mafia, and I pushed him thinking he's mafia. But nevermind that.

I'll do whatever's optimal. Disclaimer, though: I CAN'T JAILKEEP TONIGHT. Only once per three nights, and I jailkept LC last night. Tonight, I can either bus drive or commute (but the latter won't stop killing actions on me). I can also backup a shrine action, but it'll be on a three-night cooldown, and the game won't last long enough.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:13 am If sleep's optimal, I'll go for sleep.

Same-same.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:01 pm Now, the question becomes what’s the best use of night actions. I’m still not 100 percent sure, I have a little more digging to do. A few more questions:

@Gavial can you tell me what all of your shrines do? I have a general idea but I’m looking for some specifics on tracks/watches.

@Timsup2nothin pls claim stuff

@Long Con i have a basic idea of how your power works, but can you say it again for me? The thread is long and I’m looking for an easier solution

I go to a shrine, and if someone dies there, I get their last info, if applicable.

I'm fine with TSP's sleeping plan, because he sounds like he has done the homework about it, but I also like Daisy's plan.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:13 pm Still slightly amazed that none of us read Scotty’s role card and I’m curious as to how Daisy found it

I have read role cards a bit, but more out of scanning curiosity than memorable analysis. I still don't really know what you're getting at with Scotty, but I have faith that you know, and that's good enough for me!

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:14 pm I'm slightly amazed that I haven't been misyeeted considering how terrible my reads were.

You have me to thank. Fortunately for you, people rarely listen to me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:46 pm i can check vul/tim, gav tracks someone to make sure they're in line, or watches the shrine we send them to, LC can go to any of the results shrines to make sure it all works out. and then daisy cops tim.

what we could do is Gav RTs a shrine, we send vul and Tim for the same shrine. I can check a shrine for the 3p, I check that shrine. Daisy cops like LC or something idk, and then LC goes to my shrine to get my result. Feels like we always get a poe of two here.

Just let me know before day's end which shrine to choose, and I will be there.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:08 pm so sorry. I got the order of my shrines mixed up. i legit was going to visit namira last nite. so I could know if someone was Molag Bal's champion or not.

No need to be sorry, Namira was as good for me as any shrine. If someone with an info ability had died there that night, THEN I would have had my chance to shine... but I grow more and more doubtful that that'll be happening.

I would have gone to someplace Tim said, but strangely - and despite his need for lots of coins - he didn't try to organize anything. Instead he went to Molag Bal.

Why would he expect anyone to go to Molag Bal? Does anyone alive have that as a shrine, and they shared it with the thread, and it was likely/predictable someone would go there last night?

I believe Tim is the 3p, and I even kind of feel it in his posts, a slightly resigned "Daisy caught me but I'll go through the motions and stick to the coins story" demeanor. I guess that "the real 3p", who was going to Molag Bal for murderous reasons, wouldn't open their mouth about it, so how many other shrine visits are verifiable? Like, I definitely believe Daisy didn't go there.

I am grateful, grateful to the 3p for killing the last mafioso. Kyle might not have endgamed it, but he was doing very well - so well, in fact, that I don't think we owe the 3p anything because he wasn't trying to hit a wolf... just mostly-townread Kyle. Ain't life funny sometimes?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:10 pm @Gavial you went to namira last nite what did u do?

I also went to Namira last night. Daisy, you gave me two options, and I had been to Mephala the night before.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:15 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:13 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:07 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:05 pm tony should I just say?

Yes you should...and yes I am here intermittently. I'm reading the thread.

tim i know where u went. it was Molag Bal's shrine. why did u go there tim?

that isn't a nice shrine tim. that is the 3rd party shrine tim.

the never ending quest for coins...and yes someone was there besides me because I got coins

I might have to say I don't believe you, old chum. I have the notion that there's no coins at all somewhere in the back of my head.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:06 pm Actually we will just confirm tonight.
@Long Con
@TonyStarkPrime

Do either of you have a Nocturnal or Hircate shrine?

I don't "have" shrines like most of you. I can go to any shrine I like.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:43 am the question of "where did kyle's shot go" is still sorta illusory but I guess he shot into LC and it got eaten. he might have intended to frame there the day after.

Kyle may well have withheld the shot in order to do the frame, which would have the same result as targeting me. I think Kyle would be a crafty shot-withholder though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:54 am Now I'm reasonably certain that we have about 12 different ways to mech lock everything tonight but give me a bit of time to work everything out. @Vulgard and @Long Con let me know what abilities you have tonight if you have any that are useful. Tim, let me know what you need w.r.t. coins.

LOL

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:50 am Who's the optimal yeet in that case? LC? Would be funny if I blocked him, thought I cleared him, then had to yeet him anyway for mech reasons.

There's no damn way I'm the "optimal yeet".

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:17 am if anyone has been withholdings of infos it's been tony and lc.

lc did talk about his actions/results but vaguely.

I haven't withheld anything; I merely have nothing to present. For absolutely all intents and purposes, I'm vanilla town.

Going out for the evening now, be back tomorrow!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:18 pm oh i'm also cleared because the result of me chaosing on n1 was visible in game
gav is cleared from daisy's check
LC is cleared because he was locked up

that leaves
vul
tim
daisy

If LC claims that he was blocked then we probably can clear vul, and then we win

I don't know if I was blocked, but I didn't get a "You got nothing" PM about my shrine visit as I have in the past.

Great shot on Kyle, somebody... I disagree with TSP, I think he might have made it all the way!

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:10 pm where is everybunny?

come on guys. shouldn't we be discussing what we want to do in regards to nite actions and such?

I should go to the same shrine as someone with an info role, ideally. That will ensure that the info would never die with them.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:49 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:47 pm Douche

Can we not

I mean what would you call a mafia that does that and doesn’t do that as Town?

There are a lot of offensive names, such as "douche", that you could call someone. Here at The Syndicate, we prefer that you use none of these terms to describe your fellow Mafia players.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:38 pm Like if town loses it's definitely gonna be partially my fault for letting myself get mischopped.

But I also just don't have any drive to open an iso and do anything.

This is a conundrum.

Oh I think your definitely an ML.

I lean that way as well.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:08 am idk, would mr be doing more if he were a wolf? ... maybe??

For future reference (you don't need to apply the WIFOM now) the answer is yes, I feel more obligated as a wolf to help my mates.

I would agree with this. Radishes would be letting the whole team down, it would be egregious.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:59 am i think town can still win if we mislynch today.

Well, yeah, 8 players left gives us at least two, doesn't it? I guess a lot swings on the intentions of the 3p.

if me being mislynched here today gets town a clearer picture for who is the last scum and who is the 3rd party thrn go for it.

iirc, I'm like in just about everyone's poe.

Not mine. I think I got accused back there of 'shielding' you too much, but whatever. I believe you're not scum, if that loses us the game, then I'll take the blame I guess. If you're hostile 3p then fine, same deal.

I think it is ridiculous to just automated believe Gavial and Vulgard tho.

this feels like the whole Marmot situation here and you would think town learned from it. I know I have or am trying to. thus me rethinking my town read on Vulgard.

l understand I can be wrong.

I fail to see anything about Gavial and his posts and actions coming from a town mindest.

Well, he really believes Vulgard is town, based on the Marmot chop, from what I can tell. He does direct me and others to the Marmot yeet, and because of that, I looked it over again with Vulgard's contribution in mind. For me, his efforts resulted in some positive town results.

look at what he claims his actions to be. plus if anyones actions could be manipulated it be his since he revealed his actions extremely early in game, so even if he is town, he was extremely short sighted and based on his posts he never even considered the possibility his results could have been manipulated by mafia.

it isn't tin foily to think Gavial is mafia in this game at all.

I agree, he's in my POE.

it is a logical thing to think. same for Vulgard.

I defer to u guys as I'm no expert in these things. but I should not be just dismissed and scum read for pointing this stuff out.

It's not like Mafia is easy as pie.

That pie looks quite delicious, with a glass of milk, please. I would usually choose a quiche in most situations besides dessert. And cheesecake is superior, feel free to throw that berry pie filling on top.

Maybe Radish's apathy is partially attributable to being the 3p? I'm fine with chopping 3p if that's the case.

Ok. [VOTE: radishes] aubergine

I'm fine with chopping Radishes I guess. He has to be resolved before endgame in any event, and we do have a few chops of leeway with 8 players still left on the board.

Busdriver can be a town or scum role, and I advise you not to make decisions based on believing otherwise.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:59 am I agree with LC’s assessment on Vul on day 6, but reiterate that it’s a bad chop for other reasons

Please reiterate again for me, I'm listening. What is the correct path here?

As vanilla town, I'm fine with getting roleblocked tonight.

Bussing would not be pointless, rather, it would be necessary.

I have townread Daisy for loner than I have suspected Vulgard.

And it's "you're".

Daisy was a *big target. I don't know if she's bi.

My new keyboard has some issues sometimes.

I looked over Vulgard's posts on the day leading up to Marmot's yeet. It looks to me like he's bussing Marmot. There's a lot of focus on other players, with things like "If Marmot is mafia..." and "In a Marmot-mafia world...", which displays a hint of TMI and a lot of preparation for what was probably (based on the number of times he was a wagon) an inevitable yeet. This is a tryhard attempt to capitalize on the Marmot yeet by aiming the next yeet o two at other people, Daisy was a bi target there, also Gavial and MR to a degree.

If Gavial says "Exe" one more time I'm going to dig my eyes out, the man is obsessed.

To reiterate: [VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine This is the last wolf.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:16 pm lc is a possible? wolf but i think pretty much everyone else is on good footing

That doesn't sound right at all.

Vulgard is image-posting, so revealing his night actions would be difficult.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:28 pm

my towns: lc, Tim, Kyle

could go third party: tim, lc, Kyle

Daisy, you're my top pick for 3p right now. I want to yeet scum though.

Can you also explain why you think this when you have a chance?
What 3P do you think Daisy is?

I think she needs to survive, and can win with town. Probably foolishly optimistic, and I will never argue someone thinking otherwise.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:29 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:27 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:22 pm People think my reads are moronic sometimes yet I’ve had many games in the past where I scum read one of everyone’s top town and was correct.
No one believed me because I’m unconvincing.

Same here.

Don't worry about where my vote is right now.

What!?
Can you at least answer my question before?

You'll have to be satisfied with: I am looking over the Marmot yeet, thank you for directing my attention there.

Thanks.
After evaluating it please share your opinions regarding it alright?

I hear ya.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:27 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:22 pm People think my reads are moronic sometimes yet I’ve had many games in the past where I scum read one of everyone’s top town and was correct.
No one believed me because I’m unconvincing.

Same here.

Don't worry about where my vote is right now.

What!?
Can you at least answer my question before?

You'll have to be satisfied with: I am looking over the Marmot yeet, thank you for directing my attention there.

my towns: lc, Tim, Kyle

could go third party: tim, lc, Kyle

Daisy, you're my top pick for 3p right now. I want to yeet scum though.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 2:22 pm People think my reads are moronic sometimes yet I’ve had many games in the past where I scum read one of everyone’s top town and was correct.
No one believed me because I’m unconvincing.

Same here.

Don't worry about where my vote is right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 1:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:23 pm for what it's worth

i think it’s time to stop

What did you mean here, Tony? Time to stop what?

Hey, what’s that sound

Ok.

Cool.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:15 pm Wait hold on a second, if LC is 3P they might just be a crazy one hold on.

If I said Daisy is town would you vote there? Or lock town?
@Long Con

Daisy IS town, and I would not vote there.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:05 pm thing about exe is they have 1 player(s) [this is a large game they could have more then 1 player to target] that they have to get lynched. looking at long con's iso, he hasn't been playing how I see a exe would play.

does this mean he isn't exe? not necessarily. I'm not the expert in figuring out people's roles. I know some are good at thst. but look at his voting history too. it doesn't look like how an exe would play either.

The exe thing is a myth.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:03 pm Like have you been paying attention to the game state at all or are you just sticking to your clears without evaluating any part of this current situation we live in?

Hmmm... I'll go with option A please.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:02 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:01 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:59 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:57 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:39 am Could just be Kyle.

Meh, Kyle looks pretty clean.

Dude!
TF?

Yes?

Can you like respond to stuff, your thoughts are so scattered and questionable it’s not funny.

I don't think it's scattered or questionable to have a look at Kyle. Maybe you are thinking of your own posts, and confusing them with mine.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:59 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:57 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:39 am Could just be Kyle.

Meh, Kyle looks pretty clean.

Dude!
TF?

Yes?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:39 am Could just be Kyle.

Meh, Kyle looks pretty clean.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:23 pm for what it's worth

i think it’s time to stop

What did you mean here, Tony? Time to stop what?

Could just be Kyle.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:14 am There's no chance you're getting yeeted today, Daisy. The idea is not worth worrying about, stop please.

oh

huh, okay. I don't see but okay.

I would be shocked and appalled, and would fight hard against it.

There's no chance you're getting yeeted today, Daisy. The idea is not worth worrying about, stop please.