The Syndicate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:41 pm Also, Cloud Cult is great, the Light Chasers album is beautiful, and 2014's Unplug album has beautiful live versions.

That Man Jumped Out The Window is one of my favorite songs if all time.

Abi, you taking a mafia break?

Nah just pulled out of everything cause I was in the hospital I'm out now so I'm back

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:57 pm writing this down for the record

wilgy coming off Long Con has a vague outline of wilgy coming off DM in Timelines

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:48 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:20 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:34 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:53 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:02 pm what is going on here lol

it's a repeat of Timelines Mafia

town is once again slacking

I have once again solved the game

Long Con is once again ignoring my solve

He's not ignoring it. He's bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:30 pm and yeah it does look like we'll be up against each other today so I do have to hope you're a hit but nothing you're doing is really causing any doubt

He's so clearly bad. He's spreading chaos. Like he does when he's evil. FEBbers gonna FEB.

He isn't even trying to pretend to seem civ at this point.

What kind of chaos is Long Con spreading? Usually when I think of mafia spreading things to cause confusion it's with like... PR claims and throwing as much at the wall as possible to disorientate town from the actual solve. Like Long Con seems fairly set in suspecting DrWilgy/nutella and really has not strayed from that

He has mentioned me a few times. And has just been posting ridiculousness. He’s trying to distract us.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

see above a post that I also considered just kind of out left field from LC that I think lorab would agree is a post of chaos seeds

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:58 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:03 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

"people townreading me are sus, because I know I'm town, which if you follow the logic means that anyone who thinks I'm scum are not sus, and thus town, because they are trying to chop a town"

Jesus Christ, all I said was it could be TMI. I don't understand why that's so wrong to say.

hmm, I honestly haven't been wolfreading you as of late, but I have caught 2 wolves in a row for their usage of TMI and ever since then, i tinfoil that dang word

Then you should have several wolf reads off that tell already this game. Why single me out?

the only other person in the context of the read bothering me by is kinda SPF (as im talking more about how it's used versus it being used in general). So there isn't a lot of others to point out

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:33 pm Dammit lol,

I kinda wanna swap from LC to Cape, but should reread both wagons first. I didn't trust my gut enough during Wolfwalkers and it's making me desire to be more impulsive, in spite of rationally thinking figuring out the wolf between LC and Nutella would be super valuable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm Yeah, that ugly factor just occurred to me. Town needs to get better bonuses for surviving a Battle.

You me "we need better bonuses?"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:17 pm Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:03 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

"people townreading me are sus, because I know I'm town, which if you follow the logic means that anyone who thinks I'm scum are not sus, and thus town, because they are trying to chop a town"

Jesus Christ, all I said was it could be TMI. I don't understand why that's so wrong to say.

hmm, I honestly haven't been wolfreading you as of late, but I have caught 2 wolves in a row for their usage of TMI and ever since then, i tinfoil that dang word

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:13 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:12 pm quick thought about mechanics: i think the optimal way to play this setup is to treat it like a normal mafia game, and simply do your best to figure out which person u want to vote out picked which song

this incentivizes t he wolfteam to choose songs that would be really hard to identify as coming from them, which is something im keeping in mind

You know, that is the problem I have with the setup though, it encourages play like this instead of what I imagine the intention is which is... you know, an actual fair battle of the bands thing going on, like we aren't incentivized to be honest with our votes when the time comes

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:35 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:47 am also if TSP doesnt get replaced/mod removed then I propose we lunch him day 3 or if a town wins a vig shot or something maybe go there. discussion for later if it comes up

That's one player we can probably count on voting out normally. I doubt he has a song in.

What's "merh POE" for Cape? Is that "meh POE"?

Your list is completely uninspired. You have the two candidates that are generally agreed on, a "meh" or "merh" on a lower poster who hasn't posted in a couple of days, a "tinfoil" read, and you're already angling to vote out a no-show.

I'm sure everyone will just say this is ever so towny of course.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:47 am also if TSP doesnt get replaced/mod removed then I propose we lunch him day 3 or if a town wins a vig shot or something maybe go there. discussion for later if it comes up

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:45 am who do I have to pay to change my forum title

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:42 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:23 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:19 am I have a new strategy. We all ignore Long Con for the next 13 1/2 and a half hours or so. He’s just going to continue to spread seeds of chaos throughout the conversation. The more we respond, the more he’ll spew. You can think he’s guilty or not. But he’s definitely doing his best to distract us from discussing anything else. And, yeah, I’m also part of doing this. But it’s bad strategy to continue to goad him (other than possible off topic). Even if he is civ (which I very much doubt), we can engage with his ideas after the battle, should he be a contender (and I hope he is).

I, for one, is not going to answer LC’s FEBspewing. I’d rather think about what comes after this day and this night.

sorry, dude. You know I adore you. And also, say hi to BR!!

"Seeds of chaos"??

If that becomes a band name, memoir title, or anthing else, I hereby declare that I need a liner note/credit/acknowledgement.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:30 am those seeds be chaos'ing for sure lol

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:19 am I have a new strategy. We all ignore Long Con for the next 13 1/2 and a half hours or so. He’s just going to continue to spread seeds of chaos throughout the conversation. The more we respond, the more he’ll spew. You can think he’s guilty or not. But he’s definitely doing his best to distract us from discussing anything else. And, yeah, I’m also part of doing this. But it’s bad strategy to continue to goad him (other than possible off topic). Even if he is civ (which I very much doubt), we can engage with his ideas after the battle, should he be a contender (and I hope he is).

I, for one, is not going to answer LC’s FEBspewing. I’d rather think about what comes after this day and this night.

sorry, dude. You know I adore you. And also, say hi to BR!!

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:14 am wait LC how old are you lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:14 am this is an entirely new side of Long Con

Long Con on Drugs

LCD

LCD tell me something you watched recently that was good. tv movie youtube idc

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:11 am oh god LC going brazy wid it

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

I don't think so. That's what's coming from most everyone else, though, so

okay so like... if you think you've been towny enough to be found as town then ... you should have a reason to explain why it's scummy of pyxxy to have found you as town

That's honestly silly. I was just bringing up the possibility because I find it unusual that one player would go against the prevailing, and unrelenting, opinion that I'm bad. pyxxy might be Town, I don't know, sorry for bringing up something so ridiculous that you had to get to the bottom of it where I'm a Wolf for saying it due to twisted logic I can't even follow.

I can work with this

this is that performative front I was talking about earlier lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:04 am I truly think people are just doing the "I think you're being weird so you must be sus" thing to Long Con

it is simply Long Con

please do not be afraid of the protracted deception

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

"people townreading me are sus, because I know I'm town, which if you follow the logic means that anyone who thinks I'm scum are not sus, and thus town, because they are trying to chop a town"

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:54 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

I don't think so. That's what's coming from most everyone else, though, so

okay so like... if you think you've been towny enough to be found as town then ... you should have a reason to explain why it's scummy of pyxxy to have found you as town

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:54 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:42 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:23 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:19 pm lorab is town

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:57 pm i can kinda see pyxxy's world of spf/sheep/lorab hmmmm

no lol

let me re-post:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:25 am I'm looking at spf sheep +1, maybe LoRab?

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

come tell me why you're not just showing up to push LC nutella TvT wagons today, the appetizer being easy townreads on falcon and cape (the latter being a pocket), and dessert being hiding your teammate sheep in your conveniently large POE banana split sundae

"maybe LoRab?" has both the word maybe and a question mark

You are describing, perfectly, the tell known as Player Salad. It is specifically, "I suspect A, B, C, and maybe D?" It's a classic, and I'm really interested to see if you turn up as a Wolf, just in the interest of a data point.

my name

not in your posts

until pelt

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

Thanks for your input on putting out the seed that you have 2 teammates. I hope I’m not alone in recognizing that this may or may not be true.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:42 am Pyxxy: You seem super convince that LC is civ. You’ve said it many times. You said it was mainly because you suspect Nutella? But that doesn’t really make sense to me as why you therefore assume civ LC.

Do you have anything about his posting that indicates civvieness to you? Because, to me, he seems so blatantly bad, that I really want to comprehend how others aren’t seeing that. I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong (although, obviously, I believe you to be), but more that I want to understand the other side to see if maybe I’m missing something?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:23 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:19 pm lorab is town

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:57 pm i can kinda see pyxxy's world of spf/sheep/lorab hmmmm

no lol

let me re-post:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:25 am I'm looking at spf sheep +1, maybe LoRab?

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

come tell me why you're not just showing up to push LC nutella TvT wagons today, the appetizer being easy townreads on falcon and cape (the latter being a pocket), and dessert being hiding your teammate sheep in your conveniently large POE banana split sundae

"maybe LoRab?" has both the word maybe and a question mark

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:27 pm man I'm trying to see a world where you really believe what you're saying but this just looks soooooo forced

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:12 pm Abi conclusion - town lean. Let them cook and let's see where they get to.

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:59 pm Don't try to lawyer your way out of it now.

I see.

Alright well if you don't desire for me to actually solve you, I'll move on.

I am dissapoint that the following wasn't part of this exchange:

Dammit, LC. Wilgy is a doctor, not a lawyer.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:24 pm @nutella nothing from you either? Just a pop-in?

maybe Long Con is right about you...

I popped in and dropped a vote on Wilgy w/ no explanation, and I've been absent most of this RD






Why doesn't that bother you?