The Syndicate

What? 3 votes now. I swear it was five a few minutes ago.

Scotty! You're under pressure! I just got home from a friend's house and I'm going to bed. Couldn't make it through a whole catchup since 5 hours ago, so I haven't read pages 10-11 (this is 12 for me). Just wanted to check in and razz you for having 5 votes.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:00 pm @Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Check his on-brand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:57 pm If there's good news about that extremely powerful elimination save on the Rupert role, it appears (if I understand it correctly), that the mafia would have to skip some kills to save up the cash necessary (or otherwise use no non-kill abilities until night five). So let's just make sure we kill that sumbitch before that point.

You put in a phony townread earlier! I got it now when I ISO'd.

I sure did! But which town read was it?

Aw, I don't wanna give it away.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:57 pm If there's good news about that extremely powerful elimination save on the Rupert role, it appears (if I understand it correctly), that the mafia would have to skip some kills to save up the cash necessary (or otherwise use no non-kill abilities until night five). So let's just make sure we kill that sumbitch before that point.

You put in a phony townread earlier! I got it now when I ISO'd.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:35 pm I am considering dropping Scotty as a premier town read. There have been a few doubts raised that at least piqued my interest, and I want those dialogues to develop before I commit myself to that viewpoint. For the time being I will place him in purgatory.

Yeah, did you like that S~V~S reaction to him? I thought her point sounded legit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:31 pm Anyway, that Long Con post might have been the most town post in the game to this point.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:31 pm Anyway, that Long Con post might have been the most town post in the game to this point.

Yeah I agree here

Nice! Ok, I'm gonna go shower. I got home from work and immediately went here, but it seems my work is done for now. Shower, feed kids, then who knows? Ta-ta.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm Are you sure?

--> cont'd from above: WAS it an "unhinged towny post"? Is everyone okay with JJJ's question? It blew my mind last night because I didn't feel like it was asking ANYTHING. Is it towny or wolfy? "On-brand"? So, what, is JJJ worried that I'm not really me right now? Is that what he's confirming with S~V~S??

And I still can't even handle "on-brand or not (or neither)", like, what? Are we trying to determine if I'm quasi-semi-myself before we try to think about alignment?

How does this stuff not make other people question it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? If it has no meaning, then what does that say about JJJ?

Forget it, I don't even care.

That question was more about S~V~S for me than it was about you. I mean, in terms of sentence structure it was literally about you, but my interest was in S~V~S. I suggested earlier that I thought you looked town in that moment (for poking the bear). I wanted to directly engage S~V~S with what you had said though, because it would give me a better foundation by which to assess her. The ways that people deal with early suspicion, especially from others that they know well, can be telling.

I don't quite town read her response. She sort of shrugged off your suspicion of her as "probably" on brand, and then went on a tangent about how she usually reads you (without stating a clear perspective of how she reads you this time).

I find it hard to blame her for having a lackluster response to a question that means nothing.

She's not afraid to give a read on me in either alignment, is she? You didn't even ask her what her read of me is. No. I like you less than her in this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:53 pm @DrWilgy is my top town read.

That low?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:52 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:04 pm Sooooo if I’m reading it right, Rupert’s money is responsible for the killing? So can they choose not to kill?

Probably. My interpretation is that they have to purchase kills (implying they can decline to do so), and that while Rupert is alive he is the only one that can kill. Then once he goes, any of the others can kill.

Important for any investigative roles out there to think about (i.e., tracker/watcher).

I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.

This was my thought but I was kinda sorta hoping to identify that trait later on in the day without influencing gameplay. But that’s fine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:15 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:09 pm I didn't think about him being the only person who can kill, but that makes sense. That makes it much more important for Rupert to avoid sus than the other mafia and he might act differently because of that pressure. Kind of reminds me of John Doe in se7en where that role was important so SVS had pressure to go deep with it.

Perhaps so. I'm not entirely sure the role is that important since they retain their kill without it. It's just the early killer (if that interpretation is accurate). I just noted that town doesn't seem to have any night actions that would interact directly with a killing mafia member other than an even night role blocker (no tracker or watcher). We have protections, but they don't mean anything with respect to who is killing. It might not matter than much, and it appears that it means close to nothing on Night 1. I could be overlooking something.

From my understanding, the Rupert role is the designated power of attorney, and if he dies, mafia lose the ability to cop and elim save.

Sounds pretty important to me

We need to kill him. That elim save is a game-changer.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:59 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:23 pm Scotty is town. Oozing when you read his ISO. Helpful, redundantly helpful, which looks honest.



HA HA HA H AHA AHAHSHAHAHSGSGHAGHAGH I'm not repeating this from that other game though. "Scotty good, S~V~S bad!" I was half-right. But I'll have nightmares if I do it again. I'm flipping all my reads on Day 4, and I'm literally not joking.

I’m curious- why did you townread me for so long in the last game? I can’t tell if you’re actually serious in this read.

In the game where you were bad with S~V~S? I just got a vibe from you early and decided to stick with it. Was that the flipless game? I needed an anchor, and chose poorly.

I was serious in this read. We'll see if it sticks.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

Go drunk, LC, you’re home

No! Well yes. But no! More next break --->

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:28 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

But this is an unhinged towny post

OK, but really. Baddie LC doesn't let himself post silly/drunkish comments.

Are you sure?

--> cont'd from above: WAS it an "unhinged towny post"? Is everyone okay with JJJ's question? It blew my mind last night because I didn't feel like it was asking ANYTHING. Is it towny or wolfy? "On-brand"? So, what, is JJJ worried that I'm not really me right now? Is that what he's confirming with S~V~S??

And I still can't even handle "on-brand or not (or neither)", like, what? Are we trying to determine if I'm quasi-semi-myself before we try to think about alignment?

How does this stuff not make other people question it? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? If it has no meaning, then what does that say about JJJ?

Forget it, I don't even care.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 am I assumed the swear jar was a joke, but I could be wrong!

I mean, it could be....but it seems weird to phrase it that way in the roles if it isn't important. If a civ curses, do we give money to Giles (sorry, Rupert)? Or do we take money away from him? Seems like it would be prudent to not risk giving mafia more power, and keep our language clean.

Also, hi, to all!! And, I'm Lorab :Lorab: for those I don't know. I'm an old timer, and have been convinced to come back, lol. Important thing to know is that I have a super quirky schedule, and many times that are great for everyone else are, well, not great for me. So, I'm sometimes MIA. The RAB in my screen name stands for Rabbi--and yes, I actually am. And, that means that weekends are weird. Just so you know.

For what it's worth, I'm reading LC as civ. And I mostly agree with him. Weird. I also thing J3 is probably civ, although keeping a note in my mind that he might just be acting aggressively civ to avoid suspicion, but I'm not feeling that at least for the moment.

So nice to have you back LoRab!

In case others don’t know, this emoji is hers.

This is mine

JJJ is firmly a neutral town lean- he’s adding to discussion so he is a boon to town atm regardless
LC is not quite on my town radar yet. Lean scum

Good. I don't give you permission to townread me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Humoring Jay? Nah. I kinda thought I was shading him a slight bit, tbh, with the call back to the game where he was bad.

How would saying jay fooled everyone as a baddie in a game, and pointing out that he was contradicting himself by being super active be "humoring" him? Poking someone with a small, soft stick =/= humoring.

Noooo, sorry, I was loose-verbing it. You weren't "humouring him", you were "humouring in", as in, entering the thread on a little wave of mild humour.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

I like this S~V~S read of Scotty. Maybe she ain't that bad, and he is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:35 amLike Caterpie into Metapod, I have evolved!
After being utterly wrong about you before we were partners, I figure what I once viewed as suspicious in a vacuum is just you.

You have some quirks that i picked up on that I’m not going to reveal yet. But rest assured, dear Svs, I haven’t seen them so far. Just don’t do them and we’ll be golden

Absolute red flag. The secret S~V~S tells that he has, that he of course isn't sharing. This feels like a lie toped with a cheers for extra smoothness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:37 pm I've counted six players so far that have provided reads of some kind, including town reads (to varying degrees). The following players have been read as town by at least four others:

LoRab, JJJ, DarlingMonroe, and Scotty

How do we feel about that? I invite anyone to answer. Are these good names to have in a "town block" or no? Do you feel comfortable with that game state?

Scotty's out, sorry. Maybe you as well. LoRab is fine, I don't have cognizance of DM yet.

Anyways, I'm being silly, it's time to go to bed. I CAN read the S~V~S ISO that way. I can also read it as some generally friendly starter posts that are in-character and normal and not-alignment-indicative. I sent it out there in the more spicy way. Good night!

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Knowing SVS, do you still think she's sucking up to Jay?

Maybe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 am I assumed the swear jar was a joke, but I could be wrong!

I mean, it could be....but it seems weird to phrase it that way in the roles if it isn't important. If a civ curses, do we give money to Giles (sorry, Rupert)? Or do we take money away from him? Seems like it would be prudent to not risk giving mafia more power, and keep our language clean.

Also, hi, to all!! And, I'm Lorab :Lorab: for those I don't know. I'm an old timer, and have been convinced to come back, lol. Important thing to know is that I have a super quirky schedule, and many times that are great for everyone else are, well, not great for me. So, I'm sometimes MIA. The RAB in my screen name stands for Rabbi--and yes, I actually am. And, that means that weekends are weird. Just so you know.

For what it's worth, I'm reading LC as civ. And I mostly agree with him. Weird. I also thing J3 is probably civ, although keeping a note in my mind that he might just be acting aggressively civ to avoid suspicion, but I'm not feeling that at least for the moment.

Heyyyy, LoRab! This is a person I love. I was literally JUST talking to Black Rock about the terms "town" and "wolf"... she finds them distasteful, preferring the colloquial classics, 'civvie' and 'baddie'. Then you come in, all 'civ' and it's great.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:11 am @S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

Phoebe isn't a listed role-character... is she a character in the show? I thought this was something fingersplints was doing personally, something I didn't understand. Game-related? Well, let's do a test:

Shit.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:15 pm I was wondering why Thunal had the votes, but then I went through his ISO...



Got'im!

But I wasn't invested in it because I'm a good townie in BG3 too.

Otherwise, why the votes? Play Devil's Advocate. Judge your posts with a negative prejudice, and tell us why they voted you.

Scotty is town. Oozing when you read his ISO. Helpful, redundantly helpful, which looks honest.



HA HA HA H AHA AHAHSHAHAHSGSGHAGHAGH I'm not repeating this from that other game though. "Scotty good, S~V~S bad!" I was half-right. But I'll have nightmares if I do it again. I'm flipping all my reads on Day 4, and I'm literally not joking.

S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

... and, "Got'er"? Dammit, I KNEW I shoulda gone with Got'em. I don't even know if I should go with the apostrophe. Oh god, I'm in over my head. SVS. Scotty.

Sorry, I mean HER ISO!!

I was wondering why Thunal had the votes, but then I went through his ISO...



Got'im!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:36 pm Of the people who've posted so far, I see the least town in Thunal. On that front, I'd call the current wagon reasonable. I could make an argument for Long Con if I am true to the word "least", but his one post was fine.

Was it fine though? I used mild humour. Isn't that a wolf red flag?

I was thinking about the game so far, and I was like, "Okay, if it comes down to me or JJJ for some reason, I'm going down just based on his post count alone." I wanted to ask you for examples of wolf games with very high post counts, because you're already looking so towny with your level of involvement.

The conclusion of this line of thought was to say that I think I do better, involvement-wise, if you ask me questions. I'm naturally more of a listener than a talker. This goes for anyone, but Sir JJJ is Mr Engagement, so I figured it's right up his alley.

I can give you a few recent or semi-recent mafia-aligned games. I've been mafia constantly in my "recent" games over the last couple years (out of the small number of games I have played).

Me in Don't Starve
Me in Kid's Birthday Party
Me in Halvosen Ridge
Me in Stardew 2 (Student Doctor Network)

All of those are at least reasonably high in posts.

I'd be pleased to ask you some questions. I'll write a separate post.

Thanks man! This is just for posterity. I want people to keep their eyes open about you, you know?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:43 pmThe conclusion of this line of thought was to say that I think I do better, involvement-wise, if you ask me questions. I'm naturally more of a listener than a talker. This goes for anyone, but Sir JJJ is Mr Engagement, so I figured it's right up his alley.

Questions for Long Con:

Do you have any initial impressions of the folks you know best (e.g., S~V~S or Scotty)?

How do you feel about the two votes currently in the poll?

Damn, you ask me about THOSE two? Jesus. Ok, lemme go and see. And those votes!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:36 pm Of the people who've posted so far, I see the least town in Thunal. On that front, I'd call the current wagon reasonable. I could make an argument for Long Con if I am true to the word "least", but his one post was fine.

Was it fine though? I used mild humour. Isn't that a wolf red flag?

I was thinking about the game so far, and I was like, "Okay, if it comes down to me or JJJ for some reason, I'm going down just based on his post count alone." I wanted to ask you for examples of wolf games with very high post counts, because you're already looking so towny with your level of involvement.

The conclusion of this line of thought was to say that I think I do better, involvement-wise, if you ask me questions. I'm naturally more of a listener than a talker. This goes for anyone, but Sir JJJ is Mr Engagement, so I figured it's right up his alley.

Hey, y'all. Let's lasso some varmints!