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Also changed Fezzik: Fezzik will survive the first nightkill to target him.

Love it.

There are two roleblockers, one doctor, and one vest-giver in the mix to mitigate the killing a little.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:46 pm With this is in mind, a game with claiming illegal is better for the mafia than a game with legal claiming. As such, I think the game balance should account for that as much as reasonably possible.

Most open claim-friendly games with numerous non-vanilla roles will trend toward 3:1 to 3.5:1 town:mafia ratios, I think. With claims illegal, I think you can justify a ratio closer to 4:1. You're already in that general vicinity at 11:3:1, so that's a good thing.

This is all apart from looking at the roles themselves, so I can do that separately (if you want me to do so).

Right on, thanks for the input! I'll do it that way. Players just have to be able to invest in the spirit of the game. Lord knows I have dealt with so many boundary-pushers in the anti-claiming past.

I wouldn't mind you looking at the roles. I wanted a lots-of-killing game, so three kills a night plus a dayvig. Some of the roles are made with claiming in mind, like having the janitor and the rolecop, so maybe those should change... then Fezzik would also change. And the Inigo-Vizzini Soup Kill.

Nonclaiming with a hinting modkill.

Roles are simply for functionality, not thread currency. If you want to be seen as town, you have to earn it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:13 am Remind me to dig into this sucker when I am back from my trip in a few days.
I will, thank you!
I definitely need to dig since this game is suddenly next up in the queue (after some passes).

LOL I didn't realize I was even in line yet. Fine though. What's the problem with a nonclaiming game? Too archaic?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 9:13 am Remind me to dig into this sucker when I am back from my trip in a few days.

I will, thank you!

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:08 pm Is claiming going to be legal?
Oh yeah, frikkin' claiming. I guess it needs to be illegal?
Why don’t you make some more town roles and have 3 of the town roles not in play but instead used as mafia’s fake claims and if there is 1 mafia doesn’t want to claim they could always claim vanilla.

There aren't really any extra characters I can use in the Princess Bride.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:08 pm Is claiming going to be legal?

Oh yeah, frikkin' claiming. I guess it needs to be illegal?

How many vanilla town should there be for good balance?

Town (11?)
Westley - Each night, Westley will roleblock someone, also cursing their posts the following day.

Buttercup - If Buttercup is nightkilled, there will be two eliminations on the following day, one occurring after 24 hours. If she is voted out by day, the following night will have double power-usage from all roles.

Inigo - Each night, Inigo will perform a nightkill.

Fezzik - Fezzik will survive the first nightkill to target him.

Miracle Max - Each night, Miracle Max will protect a player from death.

Valerie - Once in the game, Valerie will give a bulletproof vest to a player, which will protect that player from one nightkill.

Domingo - Once in the game, the spirit of Inigo's father will give the finest sword ever made to a player, who may then perform one Dayvig at the time of their choosing.

Some vanillas

Mafia (3)
Count Rugen - Each night, Count Rugen will roleblock someone, also cursing their posts the following day.

Prince Humperdinck - Each night, the Prince will target a player and find out their role.

The Albino - Twice in the game, the Albino can protect a teammate from a nightkill.

The mafia have a pseudo-Soup Kill that targets only the Inigo and Vizzini. If they can identify both, they can kill both.

Serial Killer (1)
Vizzini - Each night, Vizzini will perform a nightkill. Wins and retires upon reaching final 5.

100-post-limit days, closed nights with 1-hour twilight.

Blocked one-shot roles don't lose their item.

Serial killer, vigilante, and mafia team all kill every night. Mafia chooses their killer.

Doctors and roleblockers cannot choose the same target on consecutive nights.

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