The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:53 pm “Ejected.” Not lynched.

It counts.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:00 pm

Don't turn on me next time...

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:27 pm This was a hell of a first game back, thanks to all my fellow players for making it awesome. Glad we pulled out the win but mass respect to nutella and LC for a well fought game. And thanks for hosting, Sloonei!

I saved a section of our chat for you, MP:

Long Con
Who should we kill?
nutella
one of svs/mp/michelle?
I don't know, maybe it is better just to kill jay here?
I kiiiinda think nanook is the doc from that exchange
in which case it'd be nice to kill him but he's also still top of the mislynch candidate list at the moment
Long Con
hmmmm can't kill Nanook
yeah
but good to keep in mind
Maybe MP
nutella
yeah
Long Con
I didn't like how he turned on me
nutella
ok

Note that nutella called Nanook as the doc way back then, AND she made the choice to use the strongman kill on Night 1. She's awesome.

[mention]NANOOKOFTHENORTH[/mention]

Awesome plays by you, by the way.

Well played, Michelle, your hustle and dedication won the Civs the game by being the best looking in the crucial final three.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:34 pm

What is your theory which was heavily argued against by JJJ fake or real?

We lynched Jack.

Good game, by the books.

Ok fine

Jesse Barfield, right field

Well, ha ha ha, so you and Michelle have decided to accept defeat!

Although I do feel more confident in a Michelle lynch than nutella. [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:46 pm @Long Con I don't think there's any way in hell the mafia team is nutella and Michelle. What do you say to that?

I say lynch one or the other, and, unless you or Epi are already laughing, I'm pretty sure you'll be happy to have been wrong.

Being in Zoom must be substantially less exciting than it sounds.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:56 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 amI submit that the mafia team for this ballgame is nutella and Long Con.

I will explore the latter when opportunity presents itself.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Well, you're probably half-right. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Tell me why you feel Michelle is a mafioso.

Ok, some reasons. First, I don't think you would do last night as a baddie. I was already cooling off on the JJJ train, but some of the things you said felt a little too real. As for Michelle, I went back in her ISO.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:54 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:40 pm LC turned around pretty quickly onto the Michelle train.

Am I on the Michelle train now?

You spoke as if you felt sure she was scum. Perhaps it was hypothetical but it didn't read that way in context.

Maybe it's a scummate that is actually sure she is scum, but doesn't really want to go there so he's tip toeing a bit? Just a wild guess.

Now this is a good post.

If Michelle and I were teammates... like, I'm not afraid to bus. I'm not Michelle's teammate.

Omg he is not my teammate? Then he is scum!

Idk.. LC as mafia writing this post would be a scum claim for my eyes. Because he would know I am villager and he would word it differently.

Is he a player to go for this kind of logic as scum?

This is really disingenuous. She's enjoying that I'm getting a lot of heat here, and trying to throw fuel on the fire.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm [VOTE: Nut] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:08 pm Could still be okay with a Michelle lynch but I feel like her townie posts balance out her icky ones at this point.

I didn't post icky. If you are fine with my lynch then you are bad.

This looks like basic distancing. Nutella with the wishy-washy condemnation of Michelle, Michelle with a bit of pushback.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:13 pm Day was full of homechores, now I am back :-)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:36 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:30 am I have a couple of mechanics questions. I have not played very many games with a matrix like this one has, and I am not 100% on the terminology.

What is a "strongman"? And a "Role Doc", that is a role checker, right?

Ok, I see the matrix setup now. No wonder nobody reacted to my "it says two scum in the OP". =p

A role cop is someone who cop town to see what role they have, vanilla or otherwise.

A role cop is a cop who's result is tne role of the target no matter AI.

So first you vote me witout any concern about my AI and you associate me at random and now you lie about what a role cop does. You posted other cop role smh

You are bad Dizzy

Another example of Michelle trying to stoke the fires under a player. I don't see how a player would form a *real* suspicion of someone based on this... even if Dizzy were just plain wrong about how a role works, it's not a worthwhile scheme for a baddie to employ: publicly lie about a role, and then... ???

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:10 pm Probably doesn't kill MP:
Epignosis
Long Con

Not sure, nor is she, but possibly cleared by a cop hunt anyway:
nutella

Not sure period:
S~V~S

Don't see why they wouldn't kill MP:
Michelle
Nanook

if I were scum I wouldn't like to kill him personally. But i would let the NK for my scumpartener because I have yet little knowledge about everyone here.
On the other hand, him as veteran player is fear killed by every single player including you. Every sane mafia kills M+7 if he rands villager.

Your analysis is so wifom-y that it gives me goosebumbs.

This is sketchy. First, Michelle wouldn't kill MP. Then, she'd let her partner kill MP, because everyone else in the game is insane if they don't kill MP. More likely that Michelle was feeling the noose close in just a little, and had to say something other than "Yeah, I guess I am one of the more likely players to kill MP". She actually says she wouldn't kill him, before saying she doesn't know him. So, why wouldn't she kill him if she doesn't know him? Where did the idea that he's a superplayer that MUST be killed immediately even come from?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:47 amI don't see why you felt the need to use the most violent colours on this post but I can tell you, if you are villager that we are back to square 1 and you after few games still are unable to understand me. Shame of you sir.
I was honest, but like usual sincerity doesn't pay off.

I don't accept your take, is fake reasoning again. You and your Poe and your exercises, you jump on me again like Dizzy did in day 1 and this is the way to loose the game for town only because you think I said what i didn't say.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T KILL M7 IF YOU WERE WOLF.

And the best reason is he was town reading you. The question is, are you wolf? Because if you are not the answer at the question is as useless as mine. I would kill him BUT I DIDN'T BECAUSE I AM VILLAGER.

Now she says she would kill him, contradicting her last post. I'm trying to decide if this is a "No U" accusation or not, but it never quite gets there, just calls JJJ "fake" and says he'd kill MP. I don't know how Michelle is making this judgment. If JJJ hadn't brought up the "who would kill MP?" idea, would Michelle have said anything about the subject? Now she's an expert.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:44 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:42 pmI was convinced he is lying.

Alright cool. You said that this was suspicious to you, that Dizzy lied about the role cop role. Why do you think a mafia Dizzy would lie about that? What do they gain from that lie?

Idk. What would i gain from accusing him based on a wrong perception?

I don't really know what to say about this. The best emoji I can use to describe my face is , but put a little more incredulous disbelief in the eyes. Really, this is just the same suspicion I had earlier when she accused Dizzy of lying.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:48 pm LC posted my favorite gif, he deserves my vote too
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

This one is suspicious to me as well, she knows the check is bad, so of course she jumps on it right away, but feels the need to distance herself from the whole thing by being playful, and making it about her "favourite gif". Like, damn, I should have posted a different one!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:07 pm Why does that post interest you?

Interesting that it is a list of all the remaining living players. Personal because it speaks about shitting on me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:40 pm People who have definitely seen me shit on Long Con without saying a damned thing about it:

@Michelle
@Epignosis
@nutella

What is this post about?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:04 pm @Long Con please describe your mindset when you were confronted with Nanook's claim of a red check on you. Just tell me what you thought of it and how you decided your next course of action.

I knew there were no misdirects or info-corruption-type roles in the game, so I figured it was either a ploy, or a power role would step up and challenge Nanook's claim. Either way, it was best to just sit back and watch what came out of it. I gave it until a couple of hours before the lynch before engaging Nanook about it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 amI submit that the mafia team for this ballgame is nutella and Long Con.

I will explore the latter when opportunity presents itself.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Well, you're probably half-right. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:27 pm One more for the Mac express, now boarding

I'm in. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

The votes of Mac and LC on Mac's wagon are happening in the same time almost at :28. I would like to know the seconds to check the timing.
But I think is a coincidence, not a coordination between them, no matter AI.

@Long Con did you previously suspected Mac? What made you vote?

Self-preservation.

Michelle and nutella are my call for the last baddies.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:32 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:02 am Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

I meant his viewpoint is wack. Still to be determined if he's bad.

who would you vote now if you could?

Let's pick it up on Day 3.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:02 am Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

with whom?

I meant his viewpoint is wack. Still to be determined if he's bad.

Epi, I'm pretty sure that you are wack.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:27 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:26 pm You're mafia. I don't have to have a nice conversation with you.

1.000 ----> .833

Not if Epi is bad. You seem sure he's not.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:22 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 pm So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Talk to me. World C would mean there's a two shot doctor. Right?

No that's not right. I rescind my grin.

what is this

World... C... does have a doctor...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 pm You mean the mafia team might not be playing optimally? Oh gee. Never saw that one before.

Okay.

There you go.

Stop for a moment.

Breathe.

Reflect.

You're close.

It's not just suboptimal, Epignosis.

It's terrible.

It's fucking moronic.

It's the stuff of idiots.

Okay?

There's no need for the brilliant mafia duet of JJJ and Nanook to play these games instead of just, you know, winning it. The normal way. There wasn't likely to be a ton of resistance to me especially. This shit doesn't make sense. Use your head.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 pm So we’re in world C

I’m the 2 shot doc, MP got strongmanned N1. I thought fake claiming a red and seeing how things broke would open up the game, especially as I knew two people would know the check wasn’t real. My plan was to then claim tracker at night and try to get my second save off.

Which is partly why I wanted nutella TKed, the way she jumped on the check smelled like someone setting up “TK the ‘red’ check then murder the fake cop.”

I believe Nanook. I don't see a fake doc-claim including this part about MP. He tried to protect MP night 1, and the kill still went through. If this is fake, then I applaud his attention to creative detail.

Doesn't Nanook have until the end of Night 2 to share the real check?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:21 pm This should effectively confirm Nanook. 1-shot tracker is compatible with the cop. It's also compatible with the doctor, but Jack was the only one left who was still in a position to claim doctor. So it isolates us to setup 1.

I don't feel I can rely on the MP kill as a guide now. It still could be Michelle/nutella, but I haven't felt that. I'll review again. If it isn't, then either LC or Epignosis was a fucking coward.

I would have killed you.

Boo. Maybe there's some Tracking info hidden in his posts?

I wish that Jack and Michelle had shown up today.

I feel like he would not let us Lynch a green check.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:07 pm If there's someone out there that should be countering Nanook and isn't, I'm going to be really mad.

At the risk of incurring your wrath for my potential ignorance, if Nanook isn't the cop, wouldn't it be prudent to say whom he did check and what the result was? Or did I miss it?

If Nanook isn't the cop, then there's no real check to share the result of...?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:33 pm You really don't wanna believe JJJ could be the one, huh?

I'm town dude, and if you are too then give it a rest and help me figure the game out

This post was real.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:11 pm @Long Con why did you just drop me

1. I'm the only one who's remotely interested in lynching you

2. You're wearing me down with your convincingness today

I like Jack/Michelle. [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:53 pm I can't speak for everyone, but when I ask myself how I would handle that if I was a mafioso in this setup -- dive on the peek gung-ho without a worry isn't the answer I come up with. I'm speaking mostly about nutella here -- Michelle joined the wagon a bit later in a more awkward fashion. LC mentioned it before with that gif. Instead of "okay cool red peek *vote*", she posted a joke about a gif. That feels less natural.

So you think nutella/Michelle are the baddies.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:50 pm I’m actually reasonably sure there’s mafia in the people that jumped on the check. Jay looks best out of those imo, Michelle will go over without me, Nutella is best TK today I think

Why so sure? Why does a baddie need to do anything when a town lynch is underway?

Not 100%, but would be surprised if at least one didn’t jump.

Otherwise the team is what, Epi and jack exactly?

Yes... IF no baddie jumped on. I could see a baddie doing either though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:50 pm I’m actually reasonably sure there’s mafia in the people that jumped on the check. Jay looks best out of those imo, Michelle will go over without me, Nutella is best TK today I think

Why so sure? Why does a baddie need to do anything when a town lynch is underway?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:47 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Yessss... I see now. Jack and Michelle. Jack allows the lynch to go through on Long Con while pushing hard on his teammate Michelle. When LC flips green, maybe we lynch Nanook, or maybe we follow his leadership and lynch Michelle, probably sealing the towncred for Jack for the rest of the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:43 pm Thus, if you're not red, then inaction is a bad reaction to me.

Yes, I see. Jack should get in here tbh

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:48 pm LC posted my favorite gif, he deserves my vote too
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Michelle put the vote down without much ado, the "favorite gif" thing is a bit sketchy with context... she knew that the check was fake, so she felt the need to give a jokey reason to cast the vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:39 pm Jack's ignorance of the claim scenario in his most recent condiment festival seems problematic.

Can you rephrase that with some more direct language?

Or, one of the two, I mean.

You really don't wanna believe JJJ could be the one, huh?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:26 pm Yeah alright, nutes or Epi? Kinda not feeling Epi tbh

Yeah, but does a baddie stay tight-lipped or jump on the vote to lynch town? Either way, they're hoping that you'll pay the price for the lynch.

Like....

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:31 pm Eh, I was gonna do a thing but it’s too late in day. Not used to 48 hour days.

... I was like this is good shit!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:15 pm Why do you have to be so reasonable and say things that make sense

Why do YOU make a cool plan and then abandon it before reaping the rewards??

I kept my mouth shut for a while to let your plan play out.