The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:48 pm One thing I probably just missed when looking at the roles, why were there only three people on the last poll?

Eloh picked four including Jay but he died in the night

Oh yeah, right! I knew that. She had a great selection going, and I can only assume that since we concluded all three were Civ, that we would have lynched JJJ. If I hadn't assassinated him.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:01 pm great game, thanks for hosting it Epi, and well done LC!

Thanks!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:54 pm I'm just going to pretend that being night killed instead of lynched is evidence of my eternal greatness and that I would have never, ever been lynched otherwise.

Do you think you could have been the fourth Civ in the Three Civ Stooges skit we had going?

One thing I probably just missed when looking at the roles, why were there only three people on the last poll?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:47 am Also, I came super close to protecting Kyle last night since I felt all the "target this person" was painting a big target on him, lol.

I was definitely concerned about that, but I had no other choice, really, I had to take out the Flamethrower. Game might have gone on to Night 7 if you had!

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:25 am Oh and [mention]Long Con[/mention] your early analysis of who had what with the items was invaluable to me. It's how I knew either Luna or JJJ had the wand. I used the list almost everyday to narrow down who had what.

Ha! That's great! I was doing it for me mostly, thinking I could squeeze some value out of killing folks with items. Let me return the thanks by saying that your analysis of the curses was incredibly invaluable to me, because it connected curses to roles, and gave me a roadmap of how to choose my victims. What a great team we were, Jules!

@Quin you just had to ham it up with "My preciousss....." didn't you? That's why I confirmed right away in the thread that you were Ring-hinting, and that's why I voted to keep you alive on Day 1. Without that hint, you might have been the Day 1 lynch, and the game would have been different altogether.

Speaking of the curses, I was starting to sweat a little when the connection of curses to roles was being made. I had posted all weapons... didn't anyone think that was a bit alarming?? Bob's post was the scariest to me. I was thinking I would have to defend against "your role is very weapony and dangerous" accusations, but he was just saying I should have tried harder.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:01 am would it have been possible for both TH and LC to have won?

Maybe if the guy had some faith in me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:26 pm
Night 4 I killed JJJ, and his 'wearing a Crown' got me a measly 5 points.

Nope. Someone who had "used a crown." The Dentist would have gotten you the same measly 5 points.

(I'm so clever sometimes)

Haaaaaa, yes! The strange phrasing of that one - a mystery I never knew would be solved. Thank you!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:42 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:24 pmThere's a reason I make sure role claims are risk-reward.

Kylemii claimed to have a weapon, and you killed him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:26 pmDay 5, Kyle gave me the most beautiful gift, literally telling the thread that he was a guy holding a flamethrower. Night 5, the kill fell to me because the Mafia were all dead, and I killed Kyle for 30 points, fulfilling my win condition of 70 points.

i mean it's not specifically what i thought might happen but it was a risk i was aware of, and it's not like my death was really a bad thing anyways. if i hadn't told my role i would never have wanted to use it, so it felt fine to make myself a possible target for whatever mafia or indie that were left, in exchange for allowing any living informational roles to live instead, and potentially crowd-sourcing the task of choosing a murder target

No, it was truly the best for all. I was very glad that you didn't have to experience your death by my hand, and that we all just ended up in Winner's Heaven together! You died so that no one else needed to.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:44 am Well this game being over so quick makes me feel better about my original role getting lynched D1 since I wouldn't have had a chance in hell.

Woo town, and woo LC.

I was really sad to see you go. You would have been worth a whopping 40 points!

Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Rupert Giles - juliets

Really pleased to see that this role had a positive Civ impact on the game, since the Wand Interrogation of Luna was a major part of the fabulous case against her. And it couldn't have gone to a better player; as we all know, juliets is Primo Non-Garbo.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:22 pm DH's lynch was totally justified by a vague, gut feeling I had that I couldn't articulate and immediately backed off from.

That one still eludes me. I was surprised when it swung his way. There was no information or anything working against him...it just happened.

Yeah, because Lunalee was so obviously Civ, it fell on him instead.

Day 1, I voted Bob over Quin because I needed Quin to be alive for ME to kill. I erroneously thought that, because he had revealed that he received The Ring, that I could get a sweet 35 points for his head. Turned out that didn't matter, BUT Ramses was wearing rings in his pic anyway! NICE! Hence the fortuitous Night 2 kill of Quin by me.

Kill someone who is wielding a weapon? That's 30 points! I chose JJJ as my next target because he a) was posting like a soldier (weapon), and he had the Greek curse, and some of the Ancient Greece roles have weapons.

I left an Easter Egg in a post in case I had to prove I was the Assassin for some reason.
Night 4 I killed JJJ, and his 'wearing a Crown' got me a measly 5 points.

Day 5, Kyle gave me the most beautiful gift, literally telling the thread that he was a guy holding a flamethrower. Night 5, the kill fell to me because the Mafia were all dead, and I killed Kyle for 30 points, fulfilling my win condition of 70 points.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:09 pmAnd if LC ever claimed truthfully, they could redirect his kill.

I can't even believe it. I had a conversation with BR about how I'm deliberately going to keep my mouth shut in a most un-LC-like kind of way unless it was absolutely necessary JUST IN CASE there was something like that. I thought maybe if they could just identify me, they could take their kill back. Very gratifying to find out I was not simply paranoid.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:06 pm HEYYYY, Civvies, you're welcome!

Dingus.

I thought you were my GOC bro. I didn't even vote for you. AND YET you tried to... to... ugh!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:05 pm No love for speedchuck in those picks.

Feelsbadman

My single win in 2018 makes me a prime candidate to not be on the lists. Well, we're in 2019 now, and Long Con is back in a big, smashy way!

HEYYYY, Civvies, you're welcome!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:33 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:28 am He said eko, not Elo. Eko is what we sometimes call Enrique (in the old days).

Why tho

That was his screen name back in the day, on Lostpedia, where the original core of this community comes from, Mr Eko was a character on LOST.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I agree - also, he might get killed tonight in order to prevent that one-shot, so using it will prevent the waste, and letting everyone know he's using it might just make the baddies let him live. Doubly in Kyle's best interest.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:23 am the thing that's fucking with me is that when i asked epignosis if we'd be told when a team were eliminated he said "you'll be told if someone wins" rather than answering my question

Yeah, I got a coy answer as well. I trust Epi though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:37 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 am i mean i feel like we reduced the PoE a lot today so that's good i guess but this feels awful

Defending a scummer to the death and then getting lynched for it is my GoC meta. It's cool.

I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:40 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:48 pm @LC, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for sprit to make those up to throw us off him.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for him I think. I think it's all fishy.

The thing is he's telling the truth.

I said the third thing, about lynching Luna three days in a row. I have the radio, it gives me a chat. I said that because I was pissed that we kept starting and letting Luna slip off.

So sprit is telling the truth and I can corroborate it. If you are gonna vote for him, do it knowing he did not make that stuff up. That would be a bizarre power for a baddie.

Cool! [VOTE: spedchuk] aubergine

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:48 pm @LC, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for sprit to make those up to throw us off him.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for him I think. I think it's all fishy.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:40 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:14 pm Night4: "They’re going to hate my Elohcin vote! Fun"

And what the fuck does this mean? Hate it because it confuses us? Hate it because it's off-wagon? I feel like this is a huge clue.

How possible is it for a baddie sprityo to have made up those "snippets", and the whole thing is meant to lead us on wild goose chase interpretations?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:31 pm DH was having no fun because his teammate Enrique ghosted his team. Discuss.

Projecting genuine irritation?

Could be.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:39 pm I do think 5 mafia is reasonable for a 22-person game.

My rule of thumb is 25-33% non-town, trending higher if you have third parties. In this game, that's 6-8. Knowing Epi's love of third parties, and the flips we've been having, I'd say there are 2ish non-town left in the game. Maybe 3, at a stretch, though that would make 9 total.

Just a guess, though.

Are YOU an Indy role?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:31 pm [VOTE: KYLE] aubergine

Giving serious consideration to the idea that there are no more mafia members per DH’s numbers, I don’t think speed and sprit look particularly hostile indie. Something about Kyle, though — his under-the-radarness — makes me think he’s the best shot.

Well, at this point in the game, with the very impressive results we've been having, we can afford to entertain a few non-standard theories.

Speed looks the worst, Kyle townslipped so he's out, and sprityo needs to completely roleclaim or I'll switch to him. It's time. No more coyness.

Hey, speed, here's that vote back that you gave me earlier.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:26 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:23 pmlinki: I KNOW THAT KYLE

no i'm just freaking out though, what if this is a prank game? it doesn't say anywhere what our win condition is

Ok, so Kylemii townslipped here, or something. Don't vote for him.

This is an absolute slaughter.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:31 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Shang Tsung

As the sorcerer of Outworld, you have brought forth the souls of ancient kings and spirits to enslave Earthrealm. Your sorcery enables you to absorb the soul of whomever your team kills, and for the next phase, you will have that individual’s power at your disposal. As long as you are alive, the identity of your victim is shrouded in mystery.

That's DH's role... sorry for the sudden interjection, but what about the orange-highlighted part?

I've been operating under the assumption that DH killed Mac and then used his power on me (the 'wounding' resulting in two extra votes).

BUT if DH killed Mac, then Mac's identity should have been 'shrouded in mystery'.

If Mac's identity was made clear, then Shang Tsung did not kill Mac.

But Mac's power was (presumably) used on me after he died.

Was Dharmahelper really Shang Tsung? Did someone other than Shang Tsung kill Mac, and thus the wounding of me was from some other source? I must be missing something here... or maybe Epi just forgot to shroud Mac in mystery?

I don’t think roles have exactly the same night powers, same thing in last years GOC if you check

That role was quoted from Dharmahelper's death post in this game.

oh. weird then. I swear i only remembered the stealing powers part.

that just simply means DH didnt perform the mafia kill

Well, that makes no sense. Come on, dude.

1. If what you think that means were true, then how would I have been wounded?

2. "Your sorcery enables you to absorb the soul of whomever your team kills"

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Shang Tsung

As the sorcerer of Outworld, you have brought forth the souls of ancient kings and spirits to enslave Earthrealm. Your sorcery enables you to absorb the soul of whomever your team kills, and for the next phase, you will have that individual’s power at your disposal. As long as you are alive, the identity of your victim is shrouded in mystery.

That's DH's role... sorry for the sudden interjection, but what about the orange-highlighted part?

I've been operating under the assumption that DH killed Mac and then used his power on me (the 'wounding' resulting in two extra votes).

BUT if DH killed Mac, then Mac's identity should have been 'shrouded in mystery'.

If Mac's identity was made clear, then Shang Tsung did not kill Mac.

But Mac's power was (presumably) used on me after he died.

Was Dharmahelper really Shang Tsung? Did someone other than Shang Tsung kill Mac, and thus the wounding of me was from some other source? I must be missing something here... or maybe Epi just forgot to shroud Mac in mystery?

I don’t think roles have exactly the same night powers, same thing in last years GOC if you check

That role was quoted from Dharmahelper's death post in this game.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:54 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:46 pm Niju - if you are, in fact, civ, the mafia will not kill you. You are suspected. If you are civ, hang in there and help us out. If you are not, stop being full of bologna.

Oh, I’m not giving up! I just want cool things.

What happens when you get killed? You survive, with bonuses? What is your role, since you are being so forthcoming?

Shang Tsung

As the sorcerer of Outworld, you have brought forth the souls of ancient kings and spirits to enslave Earthrealm. Your sorcery enables you to absorb the soul of whomever your team kills, and for the next phase, you will have that individual’s power at your disposal. As long as you are alive, the identity of your victim is shrouded in mystery.

That's DH's role... sorry for the sudden interjection, but what about the orange-highlighted part?

I've been operating under the assumption that DH killed Mac and then used his power on me (the 'wounding' resulting in two extra votes).

BUT if DH killed Mac, then Mac's identity should have been 'shrouded in mystery'.

If Mac's identity was made clear, then Shang Tsung did not kill Mac.

But Mac's power was (presumably) used on me after he died.

Was Dharmahelper really Shang Tsung? Did someone other than Shang Tsung kill Mac, and thus the wounding of me was from some other source? I must be missing something here... or maybe Epi just forgot to shroud Mac in mystery?

WTF why am I "soft good" and everyone else is "good"?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:39 pm but nutella voted Luna

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:44 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:38 pm Nutella could have been one of us but alas...

Nutella clinched it.

She broke a tie which isn't worthy of a lock, 'cause I could see a baddie breaking the tie against their teammate especially in Nutella's place (with how she handled her suspicions of Luna) SVS's vote was the most important one, and Nutella was around but didn't make it.

She looks good though, but not lock-town good.

My vote was pretty rockin' too. Can I be lock-town yet?

but nutella voted Luna

Really strengthens our solid towncore.

Really so crazy that she got the Wand and is the possessor. What a Game of Champions so far!!

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:13 pm Damn she was the possessor! Good job nutella and S~V~S changing at the end. I'm sorry I wasn't here.

Unbelievable! Yes, great work S~V~S and nutella at the end. I wasn't sure if I even wanted it to go that way, but yay!

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 pm You are making a big mistake! I had a very cool power I was going to use tonight, but I guess it will go unused. Ta-ta fine folks.

Ok. I'll vote Luna. She needs to be more transparent. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

Pushing an LC lynch when the baddies had put two extra votes on me, and forced someone to vote for me. That' relevant.

I am not appreciating the coyness, sprityo.

Luna, the Wand: is it a one-time use, or every night? I saw some talk around the subject but I don't recall a definitive statement.

Sorry I haven't been around today, I'm going to follow the lead of some of my trusted folks, I'll trust Luna Lee at this time although the vote force thing gives me pause. I'll vote Elohcin to take it on the chin.

Juliets, how did you find out what the Wand does?

Luna, have you had suspicion of and/or voted TH? Can't remember.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:01 pm Thank you for that analysis Colin. That was super detailed and helpful.

No. Juliets' thing.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:18 am DH and his team of skeezy freaks tried to make me dead. They added two votes, and forced nijuu to vote for me.

I wasn't after Quin and I wasn't after DH.

It's not nightkill analysis, but it's close. They didn't try to off someone who was after the right people.

Yeah they tried to get me too. Let's be victim buddies!

I'll see you Wednesday night at the support group!

Interesting that two players purportedly were forced to vote for you, and only one for me. Is one player lying?

DH and his team of skeezy freaks tried to make me dead. They added two votes, and forced nijuu to vote for me.

I wasn't after Quin and I wasn't after DH.

It's not nightkill analysis, but it's close. They didn't try to off someone who was after the right people.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:12 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:18 am I'm probably getting killed tonight

I think Elohcin looks teammate compatible with DH. I think Kylemii and sig do too, but I feel stronger that Elo is.

I call dibs on dying

Just so you know DH’s Teammate still has the force vote

Yeah, but that power is weaksauce because a) it's too early in the game for it to make a difference, and b) we're allowed to tell that our vote is forced.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:56 pmsig is bad.

Could be on to something. Let's get some reactions.

I was wondering why only nutella got to party.

Anyway, there you go.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:48 pm Well that explains the werewolf thing. Fuckin called it. Shang Tsung was a great role.

I also called it, and DH I can't believe you wounded me. I thought we were GoC-bros. At least that role is gone, so my warning from earlier is moot. Not that I advocate everyone revealing their roles or anything.

I didn't expect to have this solved so easily.

Anyway, what do you think, four-baddie team? Could be halfway there. Sexy.