The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:32 am If I'm lynched today Long Con is Sutter Buttes.

Cool! Let's leave the votes exactly as they are then.

Voting Wilgy, and he'd better be bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:19 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:16 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.
Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.
I don't know what the difference really is, because Long Con would still know your answer.
Yeah, it feels like just a dickish move especially since I'm Civ, you tree stump!
tree stump? we're all mountains here

I was trying to think of something impossibly stubbornly hard to move. Missed the obvious.

Also, if I vote Wilgy now, it will be near-identical to when I voted bob:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 am OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

Increased the lead on the already-looking-lynched guy. Do I do that again? Got burned with bob.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:16 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.
Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.
I don't know what the difference really is, because Long Con would still know your answer.

Yeah, it feels like just a dickish move especially since I'm Civ, you tree stump!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.
If Quin is a question mark, why vote with him for the bandwagon that opposes his lynch?

i don't support a Quin lynch, i'm just asking

I don't have a case against Quin, but Epi did, and I think he believed it even though he inexplicably switched away from it last time, lynching bob. And Epi was doing well in this game. Is Wilgy just the next bob that gets Quin one step closer?

But I feel more suspicion toward Wilgy than Quin, which does a lot more to guide my vote than having concern about where the other wagon victim is voting. Where else am I supposed to expect his vote, right?

Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Yeah, I haven't voted yet. Probably Wilgy. He's already in the lead though. And half the guys on there, I don't trust.

Actually, I think it was Boomslang!!

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:24 pm
DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?
My suspicion of you has nothing to do with your level of posts—I tend to be a quite player too. I also don't think you're forcing posts or suspicion. I do think you're casting a really wide net in an effort to look like you're contributing. As has already been pointed out about the below:

DrWilgy wrote: My top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk. (content cut)
INH, LC and Quin can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
Niju, Marmot, and Epi can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
That's mentioning at least eight separate players in a single post, with relatively little rationale about why. It's player salad, trying to very quickly establish a record with everyone so we feel you've had something to say on them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:43 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.
The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?
I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.
I feel like it was you who made it.
I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

I think I might have coined the phrase, actually.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on
You tell us
I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?
these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.
The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

His game hasn't been the hallmark of attentiveness and focus. A distracted Wilgy is more likely to fall into old patterns, than remember every lesson he's learned.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:01 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?
LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.
So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?
I'm not answering it because it's *your* question.
Sorry. That came off as more rude than I meant it to be. I only wanted it to be a little bit rude.

I'm not answering your question because it's the kind of question you, Long Con, would use to gain information for later personal use. There's no conceivable way a "yes" or a "no" to whether Quin's declaration made me trust him more would have an impact on your views on Quin.

The only thing to gain from a yes or a no is aid for role placement.

Your problem seems to be close-mindedness combined with prideful ignorance.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?
LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.
So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?
I'm not answering it because it's *your* question.

That's fucking ridiculous.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?
LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?

That said, I would vote Wilgy over Eloh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

I wish I trusted you.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:37 am Unless Long Con is a total mafia masochist who enjoyed suspecting himself I don't think he's K2.

Don't count me out on that theory; I think that would be awesome to do. What Nightkill protection!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:36 am Should I stay on Wilgy or move to Eloh?

Not gonna be around for night end. Don't really want a quin lynch.

Eloh's "You're just going to switch to a Civ if you all vote me" thing was somewhat convincing. Fake-able I guess, but...

Kyle, can you remind me what your position on DDL is?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am
K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

If Wilgy is K2 then he incriminated himself last night. I've deemed this to be Highly Unlikely.

Yup, ok.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:33 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:21 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.
Kyle, does this make any sense to you?
LC, what benefit this question provide?
Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?
Specifying whether or not my role is knowable or even insinuating what contexts that information is obtainable from, if it even is obtainable, would help the mafia narrow down where the remaining civvie roles are positioned.

I'm not interested in taking part in that.

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:28 am K2 told us not to but I think it's appropriate to speculate around their identity given the direction today might go.

Initially I thought Kyle could be K2 just based on the way he talks. It sounded like him. I looked a bit deeper.

I searched "Sloonmeister" into the Syndicates word search history thing. One of K2's posts referred to him that way. The only record of that nickname ever being used is in SF II. So, I looked at people who played that game. Living people (excluding nijuu) who used that name are DrWilgy, dunya, Elohcin, Long Con, Sloonei and speedchuck. I'm going to filter out the girls because:

Spoiler: show
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:51 pm
K2 wrote:What's good, Mountains???

It's ya boy, K2, and I'm comin' at you live from the border of Pakistan and China once again to provide you with all the fit that's news to print.

Hey guess what? The funeral home just called. They're holding a funeral right now and you're not invited. Also, no one is invited and no one is dead and there's no funeral. It was just a prank call.

We haven't lynched any mafia yet but don't get down about it. We've managed to figure out a truly fucking wild amount of information with minimal death. Let's keep it up!

The results of the day 2 lynch seems to indicate that between Jack and Sloonei, one of them is a large mountain. Specifically one of two different roles. Watch closely what people did with that information. Determining which role just used up their power is not in the town's best interest and provides an easy cover discussion that doesn't involve hunting small mountains. For the record I think Jack and Sloonei are probably both town.

The Sloonmeister came out with the hottest of cases on C-Bobby. I give it the official K2 Seal Of Approval. 10/10 would recommend reading. Go read it now. Finish reading this and then go read it.

Speedchuck still rubs me the wrong way. I would guess that another big mountain agrees with me and that's why he was forced to use a Shakespeare era language translator. I've seen cases made against him and agree with a lot of the content of them.

I appreciate Long Con and Epignosis laying off each other for a few days. Epignosis looks much better than he did initially, and Long Con looks marginally worse, at least in my opinion. I wouldn't consider him a priority but I have my eye on him and so should you.

I think the idea that there may be small mountains hiding among the low posters holds weight. The longer we play the more I feel it to be true. There's almost always a wolf among the high posters so be careful.

I was going to close with some interesting mountain facts but it it turns out there aren't any. So instead I'm gonna close with a joke:

Why did K2 ruin Thanksgiving once again by stealing K2's family's turkey and hiding it in the bathroom where no one could find it?

Tune in Night 4 for some more more thoughts as well as the answer to this joke.

Do your best everyone! Please hit that like button if you did. Leave a comment, and subscribe if you want to see more like this.

Until next time, K2 out.

I see no plausible reason that someone with this kind of role would lie about their gender. It's not so important a role that mafia would put its owner on a NK priority list. Ergo, K2 is almost definitely male.

DrWilgy fits my criteria for a potential K2. For people entertaining Wilgy as a lynch candidate - do these posts give off doctor vibes to you? You should rule him out as K2 if you're thinking of placing a vote there.

I could see it being Wilgy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:27 am Yes, but that was in the disney world mafia game. Come on, man.

Yeah, I have the Multiverse Time Travel power as well, so it's affecting this game. This Disney game is off the hook!!!!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:25 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:18 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:14 am Maybe I'm crazy but I can't see LC as a civvie in this game. He has to be mafia or indie.

The indie part is what keeps me from voting for him.
If it helps, the indie role looks like it can only win with town, according to the OP. So the indie is basically town with an extra win condition.

Indy>=town.

But I could see LC as a civvie. 'Could' being the key word.

linki: you're kidding, right sloon?
Yeah, that's why indie would prevent me from voting for him.

Maybe it's fucking me up because in the lucid mafia dream I had LC was lynched and flipped Space Mountain and it just made perfect sense to me.

My baddie power is Dream Influence. Good to know it's working.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.
Kyle, does this make any sense to you?
LC, what benefit this question provide?

Let's say you're Civ. Quin says he thinks he knows your role. Does this make you lean back and say "I'm glad Quin knows my role", or does it make you say "Huh? How the hell could he know my role? There's literally no way he could have figured it out from the thread talk!"

If it's the second one, then maybe something weird and interesting is afoot, you know?

I gave you this one, because I'm Canadian. Next time, if you wanna ask me a question, how about you treat me like an equal and answer mine first?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.
Why not?
I've got a civ role in mind for him.

Kyle, does this make any sense to you?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 pm Oh wait...thats right. JJJ had a case against wilgy, I forgot about that. So he probably isn't scum.

Unless JJJ was distancing.

Are you still suspicious of Sloonei?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:18 pm Kyle is no longer a suspect.

Why not?

"I mean heck Sloonei voted with JJJ and I'm almost positive they're not w/w"

Sloonei confirmed town. Bob either got a good check on both, or a bad check on both.

Who could be Civ? This is going to suck because it's off the top of my head. Let's call this a "get the ball rolling" list.

Dragon D. Luffy feels Civ but no proof
DrWilgy light touch this game, can't think of a solid reason he's Civ.
dunya (replaced sprityo) very engaged, seems like she's genuinely trying to solve. Though Jack said she's fake.
Elohcin not the greatest feelings about her. She's been totally willing to lynch me all game, that low-hanging fruit thing doesn't sit well.
nijuukyugou (replaced insertnamehere) (replaced Glorfindel) total zero, no Civ points.
Kylemii I dunno
Long Con is Civ.
nutella Civ read based on lynch 1. Has she been riding that?
Quin has cases against him; Epi seemed to want him gone.
sig I'd vote him again
Sloonei had some sort of Civ cred based on Day 2, but is it legit now that Jack is proven Civ?
speedchuck no specifically Civ thoughts

So yeah, that was crap. This will take some research at some point.

Yeah, he wasn't getting lynched anytime soon. Number one reason for the Mafia to kill anyone, in any game. I don't know if there's anything more... he came hard after Quin in the last lynch, and pulled a seriously goofy move and switched to bob for no reason.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?
Was there even such a thing?

Once upon a time.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:15 am @Epignosis if you switch back to Quin he'll be in the lead over sig.

still, hey @Long Con you could join us you know. remember last time I asked you to join me? yeah, it was a scum! :P

Maybe you were right, but then you went all:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:17 am does anyone have a good reason why Quin and Bob can't be scumbuddies because I think they are
I haven't looked for this pattern in any way.
Well, I just did a search for Quin (heh heh heh) in Bob's ISO and I can absolutely see it. Yeah yeah confirmation bias and all, but it checks out.

Remember, kiddies: Confirmation Bias ruins lives, and it can happen to you!

EBWOP: *maybe gotten Quin lynched. Would have been 5-5 with my vote on sig.

On a completely unrelated note:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:31 pm Quin is town. Colonialbob is not town. If both these statements are false I will eat my Marmot hat.
I need a good reason to change my vote. You are strong in your assessment. I don't have an opinion of colonialbob.

I will change if you can convince me to do so. You will, of course, need more than that.

As you can see, though, I have a very poor opinion of Quin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:34 pm colonialbob

Your vote would have made a difference, and gotten Quin lynched, at this point:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:06 am OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

So, if you suspected Quin more, and you needed good reason to change your vote, then why did you switch to bob?

OK, hittin' up bob to seal the deal. It was 6-4, now it's 7-4.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:45 pmLong Con is voting sig because he misread my post about sig.
No, I'm voting sig because I interpreted the posts you presented differently than you. I realize that you don't really want to allow this sort of thing, but you can't really control that, and you're going to have to settle for uttering some petty, dickish remark... or try to be, like, less surly about every damn thing.
You assumed my intentions. You color-coded them. I don't think sig is bad. That didn't stop me from commenting on his posts as I wished.

Why aren't your considering 3J's posts against sig as more important than the gibberish busy sig put out there? I think that's more important.

I had to assume them. Take my colour codes as my opinions on the subjects, works for me. I said why I am not taking the JJJ posts as importantly: there's no way of telling what is an attempt to get a Civ sig lynched, and what is distancing from a baddie sig.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:45 pmLong Con is voting sig because he misread my post about sig.

No, I'm voting sig because I interpreted the posts you presented differently than you. I realize that you don't really want to allow this sort of thing, but you can't really control that, and you're going to have to settle for uttering some petty, dickish remark... or try to be, like, less surly about every damn thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:03 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:47 pm I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.
He never said I got lucky. If he said that, I could live with that (even if I would disagree, and he would have to address everyone else who voted JJJ as being lucky).

He maintained that my process (my thinking) was bad. That's a different matter. He voted for me. Tried to discredit me. Why would he do that if he and I were working toward the same goal?
Because you're not a fucking confirmed townie.
Who is?

Me. But you have to be really good at picking up hints.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:47 pm I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.
He never said I got lucky. If he said that, I could live with that (even if I would disagree, and he would have to address everyone else who voted JJJ as being lucky).

He maintained that my process (my thinking) was bad. That's a different matter. He voted for me. Tried to discredit me. Why would he do that if he and I were working toward the same goal?

I think it can be inferred that someone who catches a baddie with a bad/flawed case is lucky, right? But you're right, he didn't specifically say that.

He voted for you because he thought you were bad. That doesn't make him bad to me. He thought you were wrong, and so argued that viewpoint - I don't really dig the term "discredit", it feels like a buzz word. Even though I have used it in the past.

He thought you were working toward an evil goal, and didn't realize you were working toward the same goal.

All that can happen without any crazy leaps if Quin is Civ.

Or, maybe you got lucky again, and he's bad.

You can write a book on Mafia theory called "Twice Lucky".

I thought that Quin is just a proud dude, and he had a choice following JJJ's lynch: admit he was wrong and Epi was right, or assert that Epi got lucky with a bad case. Option B is much easier on his ego.

That seems more likely to me than the idea that Quin is a baddie who can't help but leak his anti-Civ opinions into the thread.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:16 pm Or maybe I'm reaching because Portuguese defaultsto male pronouns in the absence of specific gender, while English doesn't necessarily do that.

No, it's the same in English. I also thought it was slip-esque.

I really don't think my reading comprehension deserves to have been attacked.

This time.

I put more weight on his direct analysis of sig than the JJJ parts. I don't really know how to tell the difference between JJJ trying to get an inactive Civ lynched, and JJJ distancing from a teammate, so that stuff I took with a grain of salt. That's why I excluded it from the already-long quote - the meat of the post, to me, is in what I quoted.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?
Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

It's the same post, he just analyses what JJJ said about sig for a bit, then votes Quin for going after sig?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?
Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

Oh, I haven't read that one. I should read it.

Green for pro-sig

Blue for neutral

Red for anti-sig

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:20 pm I'm ready!

Having said that I might not be posting much from Tuesday to Sunday
Ironically, sig was more active during this stretch than after it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Mesk514 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 am I am mesk, I am good! do you trust me?

that's how i feel about trust meta!
I like this guy.

Also wow y'all are jumping the barrel and getting right into it aren't you?
sig's first two relevant posts say something positive about two civilians (Mesk and me, below).

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?
I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.
I don't understand this where did this come from? She didn't seem guilty in fact she was bragging about being a mafia member.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?
I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.
My mind went straight to the gutter with this one.

I also don't get why anyone thinks Epi is mafia, he looks like he always does. So I won't be voting for him.

I have no idea where sig got the idea that Spacedaisy was bragging about being a mafia member. Spacedaisy said she enjoys being bad.

The defense of me rings hollow: If I look like I always do, doesn't that mean I look bad?

Seriously, if I am looking like I always do, that is hardly a reason for sig to believe I am a civilian.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 am Mesk I've seen drunk mafia before but never high mafia, I'm enjoying it.

Also wow I'm dumb I thought the phase ended tonight.

I'm on phone about to drive to Columbus so my post will be limited, right now I've got a minor scum read on LC. I think his interaction with epi was odd and I don't like the nutella wagon which he helped to push. However, i always think lc is bad and i could see him and Epi dick slinging to be town on town
Nutella looks like she always does to me.

I do find Epi's ddl vote to be odd, he very much avoided both wagons and any fallout by voting that way.

Mesk514 it'll take awhile for you to switch over to the infodumping rules, it took me quite a few games.

In this meatier post, sig makes another (mildly) positive comment toward Mesk.

The yellow bothers me for a number of reasons.

First, sig missed the vote, so the same complaint he raises against me he could have raised against himself. Or evil MP:

MovingPictures07
1
6%
Voters: MovingPictures07
Or Spacedaisy:

Sloonei
1
6%
Voters: Spacedaisy
Spacedaisy
So why single me out as "odd?" Was I obligated to vote nutella or Long Con? I don't believe I was. "Fallout" has a negative connotation, implying that I should have voted for a civilian to bring ire upon myself. The other irony is that sig doesn't apply any "fallout" to anybody who voted for nutella, who wasn't lynched but could not be mafia.

Even more ironic is what is wedged in between the yellow snow. sig didn't vote, but (sort of) implied that he would have voted Long Con for pushing a lynch on nutella (which would imply he thought nutella was good, which makes no sense if sig thinks I maybe should have voted for her or LC instead of DDL), but then in the same breath discredits his own opinion of LC with a sweeping generality and a comment that he "could see" both of us being good.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am Nevermind I see Epi's reasoning.

What ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.
I'm not sure what the "never mind" applies to, but sig, despite feeling like people should be talking about it, doesn't have anything to say about it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 am I'm semi caught up but skipped a few pages in the middle.

I don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia

From my catch up eloh and epi look good. From what I've seen of wilgy I like. I've got a slight civ read of nutella and am a slight scum read on lc.

If I wanted to throw my vote somewhere I'd go for either daisy or maybe lc however given t he two wagons I'll look over the cases really fast.

I might make one or two more posts , I've got to be up early tomorrow to go out with my friends family and finish some homework so I might not.
It's worth noting that it is Day 5, and sig hasn't cast a single vote.

It's also worth noting that sig felt threatened by Spacedaisy and Spacedaisy was the first to die.

It's especially worth noting that sig, whether unwittingly or not, defended mafia MP by including him in his "don't lynch low posters" rant.

Without commenting on Wilgy himself, sig defended him by dismissing Spacedaisy's perspective as "trying to spread paranoia." What are civilians supposed to do? Hold hands and sing "Kumbaya?"

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 amI don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia.
1. My case against you and at first sprityo was never about low posters. It was about people who had been somewhat active but their content was so minimal that it was forgettable to me. So nice misrepresentation there.

2. I'm not spreading paranoia, I'm trying to sort through my own feelings and figure out if it's tinfoil insanity or really something. Also, if I was spreading paranoia I would not be so willing to hear other opinions and adjust based on good points in response.

This accusation was definitively a no u and it really makes me like the look of you even less.
It might've been a little no uish. However, I do see a main argument of your case being that we're low posters which is a slippery and dangerous route to follow.

2. That's something someone trying to spread paranoia would say.

linki: Jack would you mind explaining why you think you were almost lynched?

This post feels honest to me, and then we get this one:

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.
sig has no included JJJ in his condemnation of apparent "low-poster hunters," which pleases me. It's a small thing, and of course one always is swift to raise the "distancing theory," but going after 3J is a task in itself, one that sig clearly had no time to invest in. To give the illusion any credibility, sig would have needed to tangle with 3J and vote for him- neither of which occurred.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:37 am
sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.
Why does Jack get your favorable outlook here?
So assuming nutella is who I think she is, then Jack was leading the lynch. True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

Jack didn't die and I only saw one known role that can survive a lynch. If it wasn't Jack then it's sloonie.

The only other role would be the 3rd party. Usually I'm very anti Third party, however it doesn't appear that this role is a SK so I don't care much and would rather focus on mafia. Therefore one of them must be a civ.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:54 am Thanks nutella. It is strange, but I'm not sure I'd lynch on it.

Now I must be off to Thanksgiving lunch/dinner. I'll try to phone post a bit, but we'll see.

linki: True, if it starts killing I say we hunt it otherwise I'd say it's more important to go after mafia members and if we hit Olympus Mons it isn't a big loss
These posts look like an honest effort to work out what was going on with the lynch.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:58 am I'm here, I'll be catching up and addressing any posts directed at me tonight after my class so around 8ish and tomorrow.
I hope sig has not literally fallen off a cliff.

Are we talking about the same post here? Epignosis had a lot more negative to say than positive. Furthermore, two of the three green reads are "feels honest" and "looks honest".

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:21 pm I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

Hey, let me in on the joke!

I liked Epi's thoughts on sig, in addition to my own, so I'll cast a vote there right now.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:58 am But how the fuck am I "replying to everything that I'm not trying hard"?
You have multiple posts stating that you are less involved or tryharding this game than usual, or similar stuff.

Ok, if that's what you really believe will get you a win. At least I'll have a few days before that policy takes me down.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:42 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 amYAWN
You know you're full of shit when Epi thinks your linguistics argument is boring.
I agree, speedchuck is full of shit.
I wasn't arguing friggin linguistics. There was nothing linguistic about my arguments.

Me neither, I was just responding to your suspicion.

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