The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:53 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:44 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:33 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:27 pm why would Scotty get blocked over Gavial claiming a watch

I doubt any town would decided YEAH WE NEED TO BLOCK SCOTTY

Oh yeah there is that.

I don't think Scotty visited that shrine. and if he did I don't think he was rbed per say.

plus who is to say there wasn't multiple rbs going on.

also gavial hasn't posted yet. also didn't Scotty get scum read by a few players on day 2? and didn't scotty move his vote last minute to vote off qwags? of it was me i would not have rbed Scotty.

but like.. just think about it. ..

so it's not far fetched for town to rb him. tho yeah most likely mafia would rb you, Tim, Marmot, and/or gavial. mafia killed syn.

there was only 1 kill. so I'm assuming a shot was withheld or was successfully stopped via rb, vest, heal or something.

I literally said I was visiting that shrine on day 2 for Tim’s sake.

Why would town RB me? Why does that sound more plausible? There are far scummier looking people to do so.

Which Shrine was that again?

Sheogorath

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:53 am Which Shrine did you go to last night? I went to the one I thought you were going to.

I went to the one Syn said he was going to...and at least two people did too because I did good trade. I can afford a couple things now, and some...moderately good things maybe tomorrow...and some really good things maybe the day after if I save up. But man I do not wanna die with cash in hand...but if I buy weaker sauce and don't die and could have bought something better...role is satisfactorily complex but all in all I maybe wish I had been a 1x vig maybe :P

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:57 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:23 pm I am about to get really really busy and will not be able to solve in my usual follow the thread and analyze every post in detail. I will once again be reduced to popping in, looking at pings, maybe looking at the most recent post or two, and trying to make something of it. Three things before I go.

Mogh, you are not responsible for the gigantic hole in the boat that is your slot, but you are in the boat that Flanders took an axe to and it is gonna be hard work to keep that afloat.

We are not killing Bo, get that straight right from the gate and save us a lot of trouble. Otherwise my reads list I am still standing with.

Third and final, since I can't thread sit and may not even be able to full read before EoD I have to have something to go off of, so everyone (yes even you slankers) please ping me with your opinions on this question:

If you had access to a scroll of magic detection, which would allow you to target one person and know if they held an artifact (but not which artifact) how great do you think that would be and why? Consider in your answer other potential cool things that you could maybe get later instead, not necessarily as cool as vig shots or cop checks...but maybe, or maybe not that cool like a one time self protect or a one time doc, or...I dunno...stuff. Is knowing someone does or does not have an artifact important here?

Please ping me with your answers and if someone tough could sort of point out the question to the stragglers and suggest they don't blow me off that would be great.

Okay thanks.

I’m gonna say at this point it’s not as great as it could be.
We’re down 2 artifacts, so there’s that, and if that scroll goes to a mafia- which isnt bad odds- it’s even more dangerous. I wouldn’t bite on that item. Save your money, tim. Tim is money

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:55 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:52 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 pm Has anyone ever gotten a note before in this game?

not sure? this sounds vague

could you explain?

I received a note with some "information" last night. I don't think it was Shrine-related, as in I don't think it was a result of my Shrine visit. I could be wrong.

when you say "note" does it seem like it was written by a player

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:01 pm I can see why KZA may have fake claimed in order to draw an attack with Mehrunes Razor, but how would he know that he wouldn't just be NKd?

Made wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:22 pm Simple yes or no yall: do you know what going to ur shines does generally??

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:49 pm All the claims are great. The water is sufficiently muddied now, hopefully blunting the Razor. I don't really want to look at it as AI.

alternatively you can clear both of them

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:32 pm time is here!

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:46 pm Why is Marmot the only one helping me???

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 12:44 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:33 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 11:27 pm why would Scotty get blocked over Gavial claiming a watch

I doubt any town would decided YEAH WE NEED TO BLOCK SCOTTY

Oh yeah there is that.

I don't think Scotty visited that shrine. and if he did I don't think he was rbed per say.

plus who is to say there wasn't multiple rbs going on.

also gavial hasn't posted yet. also didn't Scotty get scum read by a few players on day 2? and didn't scotty move his vote last minute to vote off qwags? of it was me i would not have rbed Scotty.

but like.. just think about it. ..

so it's not far fetched for town to rb him. tho yeah most likely mafia would rb you, Tim, Marmot, and/or gavial. mafia killed syn.

there was only 1 kill. so I'm assuming a shot was withheld or was successfully stopped via rb, vest, heal or something.

I literally said I was visiting that shrine on day 2 for Tim’s sake.

Why would town RB me? Why does that sound more plausible? There are far scummier looking people to do so.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:39 pm Has anyone ever gotten a note before in this game?

not sure? this sounds vague

could you explain?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:43 pm I hope there is no more cfds this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:15 pm Cop check TSP
Vigi Flanders
Obviously any doctors need to rand between Kza and Syn

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:13 pm Does everyone but me get an artifact?

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:58 pm well I'd rather kill Qwags than Flanders but I'm not tying it so GL GL

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm [VOTE: Flanders] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:51 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:50 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm syn better say something about long con's vote or him just a bully

I'd have more to say about Mac's vote than LC"s tbh

but I am also accepting of being a bully

What should you say? I'm just trying to help move some things around. Who isn't moving at all?

Mac switching to a vanity wagon at near EOD is a bad look, depending

You were a non-voter anyway so sheeping him onto a vanity wagon is whatever

but I switched from Marmot as well so y'know glass houses and stuff

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:52 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:50 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:45 pm I might just bury Qwags because I cant force vigs to exist and if they do exist I cant force them to listen to me

FWIW I am operating under the theory that there is a vig granting shrine, but only one player who goes there actually gets the vig shot. IF someone looked at "hey I could go to this vig shrine, but I'll wait for N2" we may have a vig shot coming. However it is distinctly possible that everyone who had that shrine available said "oh boy a vig!!!" and none of them can go back until N4.

What makes you think this

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:50 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm Marmot trending down.

Excuse me!

SORRY I used the expression wrong.

I meant the idea of voting for you is trending down.

I agree, but why do you feel this way?

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:50 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm syn better say something about long con's vote or him just a bully

I'd have more to say about Mac's vote than LC"s tbh

but I am also accepting of being a bully

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm Marmot trending down.

Excuse me!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:49 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:45 pm u been trending downwards all game or have you forgotten? what about that? but hey who cares right? lol right?

Based on what? A silly assertion.
We should chop this wolfy person

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:42 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:41 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:37 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:20 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:02 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:56 pm But I’ve led the Qwags lynch

Would you totally commit to this statement as true?

If we chop Qwags and he flips town, or if we don't chop him here, please go to the first posts you made pushing at Qwags and read them in the context of maybe twenty posts leading up to that point. I will be looking hard at that because I am not sure that push really originated with you.

If we chop Qwags and he flips wolf you get full pelt credit though, sure.

Well, you got me doubting myself now.
Went back a page from when I voted him. I’m...still very certain I have been the first vote and was the first to seriously bring him up.

But that wasn’t really the point I wanted made. She was asking why I was voting the way I was, and I’ve been on the Qwagmobile all day.

Regardless of if he flips bad or good, I would feel responsible, yes. I think he’s bad. If he’s good, then I can’t in good conscious go “well, in hindsight...” because, as Flanders said, “he’s a wolf even when he isn’t”

Sort of my point. I think Flanders really has driven this Qwags wagon as hard or harder, and for longer, than you have...it's just been a really wolfy method of pushing...so far. we are coming into the final act of the day two drama though and Flanders may prove out as a hero here...we'll see.

And yeeetttttt he switched to Made

Granted, that is an interesting development.

Not only did he switch, but Gavail ordained it!! He said Flanders would switch out before the end

I don’t know what that means

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:39 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:36 pm Ahhhh...LongCon...right when we need a very cool head that is also heavily town readable. This gets better and better.

Hey! I'm two pages behind, but I really want to tie it up three ways right now. I hope that's ok. [VOTE: qwags] aubergine

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:36 pm Ahhhh...LongCon...right when we need a very cool head that is also heavily town readable. This gets better and better.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:59 pm Qwags iso is really short
Little of merit do I have to report

Ebwop

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:59 pm Qwags is looking is really shot
Little of merit do I have to report

Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:01 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:38 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:11 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:53 am LOL...well, both pings are one ping...a mention and a quote in the same post.

I feel very wanted! <3

Thank you Daisy!!!

I mouthed off about you! so sorry! owo ♡

but this been a weird nite. I think rl there maybe a chicken trying to murder me is frying my brain. it can't be a chicken.

is this u being a martyr again and that is why you claimed? like don't do that stuff.

No martyr. I need information, so I trade information. My role isn't going to get me anywhere, including killed, in the short term, but in a setup this complicated I think if the entire town tries to keep all their cards tight to their vest we will probably suffer for it. So I shared what looked like it wouldn't hurt to share to lead the way. This seems blatantly obvious, but with five wolves freely sharing information about their roles and how the shrines responded to them they are at a big advantage in figuring stuff out. Some people are gonna take that as role fishing and get timfoily about it and that's just the way it goes.

Now we know some stuff about some stuff.

From the chaos crowd I think maybe we learned something. A bunch of people went to the Sheogorath shrine. At least three claim to have gotten post gimmick curses for their trouble while TSP got a day off the poll, assuming they are all telling the truth. One possibility is that there is a good benefit assigned, maybe randomly or maybe by some priority system, and everyone else gets fucked with. That would fit Sheogorath, lorewise.

That would also make sense of some other issues, like watcher being way to powerful to just hand out to everyone who goes to a shrine. If there is a shrine handing out watcher boons it might just give one per night and everyone else that goes there gets nothing. Gavail says there is a watcher shrine (Nocturnal), and that he chose to go somewhere else last night. That seems like a bad choice to me, and if a lot of people had that choice available it seems like most would have taken it, but we aren't flooded with watcher reports. So only one gets rewarded? Or a lot of people did get watcher power and no one watched Alison get murdered? Or someone did see Alison get murdered and doesn't want to risk telling us about it? Or Gavail is fake on the claim? Some things seem more plausible there than others.

That's what I have put together on the setup. My own input is that one other person went to the same shrine I did (Sanguine) and I have no idea who, or what they got. If whatever gets handed out there is a "only one gets blessed" thing I think I wouldn't even be eligible so it would just go to them automatically. The only thing I can imagine that might come useful out of that info is if for some reason someone admits to being the other Sanguine visitor and then someone else claims they were there too, because that makes one of the three of us a liar. Probably not happening.

Anyway, I was asleep, and woke up to clean up after a puking dog so now I am wide awake at the most inconvenient of times so I'll maybe read some thread here...although the longer I stay up the more screwed my sleep schedule is gonna get.

it would help if @Long Con and @Gavial want to share notes on which shrine they went to N1, because LC says he expected a track and didn't get one, and Gavial says he got one and used it on NANOOK

i mean, if they have reason to suspect that's a bad idea, then don't, but it would help clarify your working theory

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 12:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:59 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:24 am What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

Him always being a wolf lately makes me leery of this plan. I like him too, but that smilin' seal is a demon.

wow thanks for quoting that

can we turbo Made? like where is the solving

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 5:29 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:04 pm Like fuck eh. Qwags - always mafia even if he isnt. He sure as hell looks like it now.

This is a problem for me Flanders.

I have people on my home site that "are always mafia even when they aren't." Two different kinds in fact.

There's me. I start every game wrapped in so much tinfoil because of my past behavior that I have to come out the gate fending of a "just in case" chop. You saw the Syn tunnel day one here. That's one kind of "always mafia" to be pushed, but that's obviously not what you are saying about Qwags.

The other kind is the low hanging fruit kind. Always gets chopped early because no matter who the wolf team is they are comfortable that they can. Just...always easy to suss and doesn't have a really strong skillset for "towning it up" to get off the hook. People know that they could just slank that to a win, so they are always inclined to just early chop "just in case" and because "can't have that at end game."

So I get it. But if someone from my home site like that is here I am shielding them, at least partially, because even this early on town can't afford to just throw away a chop. Maybe I'm mad at them for not being able to fend off mischops. Maybe I'm saying "this is just a lhf thing and everyone needs to take a breath here." Maybe a lot of things. But one thing I am NOT doing is saying "looks wolfy, charge!!!" because I would be first in line saying "they always look wolfy though."

You are the one saying that they always look wolfy, but at the same time you seem to be leading the chop with nothing more than "because they look wolfy." That's a not really towny contradiction to me.

Please consider and respond.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:13 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:11 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:53 am LOL...well, both pings are one ping...a mention and a quote in the same post.

I feel very wanted! <3

Thank you Daisy!!!

I mouthed off about you! so sorry! owo ♡

but this been a weird nite. I think rl there maybe a chicken trying to murder me is frying my brain. it can't be a chicken.

is this u being a martyr again and that is why you claimed? like don't do that stuff.

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 3:24 am What if we took Boknows to end game?

I like him, and he's been dying early a lot recently

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:45 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:31 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:57 am Mac, BK, Qwags all wolves. Book it

Mac would be a high scoville yeet

BK and Qwags should eat a shower of lead tonight if town wants a clearer picture and has vig shots

What is scoville?

a scale for how spicy peppers are lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:33 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:13 am Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

I really will, I just need another day maybe. I don't understand most of the suspicions I'm seeing put forth.

Don't worry, you're protected under the Long Con Preservation Act

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:43 am I'm drunk and eating a night kill soon enough okay I'm sorry for the out of character aggression

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 2:13 am Too many slots I'm ready to policy kill just because its game throwing to have them at end game

Step the fuck up if you're town

KZA wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:57 am Mac, BK, Qwags all wolves. Book it

Mac would be a high scoville yeet

BK and Qwags should eat a shower of lead tonight if town wants a clearer picture and has vig shots

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 1:15 am how come syn and tim are voting out Marmot. and so is qwags and Made.

and iirc several say made and qwags are real sus. but like tim and syn are real townie.

how come several people don't like Enrique and think he is mafia but not voting him. and nacho, who is voting him is supposed to be sus?

how come tim thinks the voting looks good? what about the voting looks good?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 10:19 pm has anyone ever made a mr qwags joke

y'know

like mr krabs

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 5:23 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:42 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:33 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:26 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:25 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:23 am

how would they know anything

was my question not coherent?

well, your question seems kind of silly

you're asking if two uninformed villagers had special information regarding shrines on D1 before any actions

There was some back and forth on day one because some people (and Alison was included) could see on their own role cards that different shrines do different things for them, where other people do not have that on their cards...example, Seanzie. I was in that discussion because my role card actually makes no mention at all of what the shrines do, and apparently the shrines themselves do not do anything for me. I make money based on the number of people that visit the shrine I visit, and then I get to buy things...if I live long enough and make good choices, neither of which seems likely at this point since I only made one sale N1.

Anyway, the back and forth was because people seeing "this shrine does that" had immediate suspicions about people who did not have that on their cards, and vice versa. But it got worked out as (most likely) NAI.

This role sounds mercenary-ish and I’m now reading you as indie.

Which in the current climate means you’ll probably be nominated for best picture but i digress

Game of Champs this year had a purchaser role and it was town.

Figuring you’ve played with Tim a bit- Is tim usually this forthright and explainy with his roles as town?

Tim’s proposed role is the only one that has been mentioned with such an asymmetric ability if he were town. I mean besides the whole “I don’t know what my shrines do”.

Hey @Long Con , you also don’t know what your shrines do. Do you have any info to report about your success last night, or how your role differs from Tim that you wouldn’t mind sharing?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:03 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 1:38 am So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

It actually reads like towny LL to me.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:09 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 9:26 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:07 am

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:54 am Why perform well when you can rand some overly towny power and clear someone

Congress of Vienna type KZA

Well played!!!

I am actually extremely jealous here but trying to hide it.

You got a check, at random. That is more powerful than anything I saw on any other card. What do you make of Gavail's claim that he has access to a tracker shrine AND a watcher shrine? Does that seem plausible?

well you can potentially buy stuff if what you say is true. I'm thinking artifacts and such? ifk how that would work but you would buy actions? roles? abilities? if im understanding your role correctly it seems op too.

if you look at Sloonei's opening post. he explained that there is a cool down to visit a shrine. so players can visit multiple shrines. also some artifacts do different things depending 9n which faction has it.

I'm sorry if anything I said is stuff you already know.

idk if what Gavial is saying is true. what I don't like is he. made a claim but with only a little pressure. iirc he softed early day 2. I don't get why he did that. if he was/is town and does have these nite actions, then why not clear himself in other ways? was the sus from you and the teeny handful of others thst intimidating?

if he is a wolf it was good play done in a bad way.

I don't see him getting resolved. if he isn't lynched then going forward if he is wolf he can hedge by hemming and hawing thst he was rbed in some way or "forced to visit a different shrine" etc. if he isn't lynched and he is town, wolves will provide nk him or rb him or whatever. if he isn't nk he be potentially up for chopping block again.

If I collect enough I can buy a health potion that will protect me from a night kill. At the current rate I will be able to buy that for night ten. I will have to decide between that and an "ebony paralysis dart" that is a one time role block...but that decision is very far away so I am not giving it much thought. If I had gone to the Sheogorath shrine and made four sales lat night instead of one maybe I would be feeling a little OP...but as it stands I am feeling pretty vanilla.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 2:51 pmSo you too are in the "no info on what shrines do what" category. There seem to be a whole lot of varieties in this role business. Post game gonna be really interesting.