The Syndicate

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:47 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:33 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:28 pm Also, I didn't forget about Tim's post where he calls Jack the SK. I'm considering it. I'm not going to SK hunt when we still have wolves to kill, but it's a thing. Don't forget he made that post, especially if he does flip wolf.
Why?
What's the point of this question? I was quite clear. I've been in a game before where a wolf outed the SK in the thread to prevent them from pushing them. It was done in a WIFOM-y way. I see similarities between that and the thing Tim posted about Jack. Since his mindset is the mindset of someone who expects to die soon, it's possible Jack is SK and Tim knows that. In which case, he'd post this about Jack so that Jack lets him get one more misyeet.

But I'm uncertain, so test this tomorrow. If Tim flips town, disregard that, obviously. In that case it'd be a villager's gambit to test Jack's reaction. It makes more sense to me if it came from a wolf, but let's look at facts.
I know this whole thing was a "misunderstanding" now, but why would the wolves know who the SK is at all, since that's a crucial part of your whole point?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:24 pm I'd suggest to Kyle that he use commas, but then he'd use no punctuation at all until I apologize.
i'm not going to ask anyone to apologize until you apologize for calling me out for demanding apologies
I'm sorry... that you feel that way.
Wolf rolecop, which I'm assuming they have in a rolemadness game like this.

I like how LC and Tim are both desperate to latch onto my weaker points and places where I've made mistakes. When it comes to other places, though, they are silent or passively accepting.

I'm happy for you that you like it. Actually, for the points I agree with or don't care about, I'm both silent AND passively accepting. I'll let you know when you need to be corrected, this is working well so far.

Aw, no I won't. He's off the poll. Ok. I'll join in on the falcon vote.

Ok, no one is interested in yeeting Gavial. I'll [VOTE: vulgard] aubergine, he's probably scum trying to powerwolf up a comatose slot. I didn't like the way he handled Daisy.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:33 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:28 pm Also, I didn't forget about Tim's post where he calls Jack the SK. I'm considering it. I'm not going to SK hunt when we still have wolves to kill, but it's a thing. Don't forget he made that post, especially if he does flip wolf.
Why?
What's the point of this question? I was quite clear. I've been in a game before where a wolf outed the SK in the thread to prevent them from pushing them. It was done in a WIFOM-y way. I see similarities between that and the thing Tim posted about Jack. Since his mindset is the mindset of someone who expects to die soon, it's possible Jack is SK and Tim knows that. In which case, he'd post this about Jack so that Jack lets him get one more misyeet.

But I'm uncertain, so test this tomorrow. If Tim flips town, disregard that, obviously. In that case it'd be a villager's gambit to test Jack's reaction. It makes more sense to me if it came from a wolf, but let's look at facts.

I know this whole thing was a "misunderstanding" now, but why would the wolves know who the SK is at all, since that's a crucial part of your whole point?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:24 pm I'd suggest to Kyle that he use commas, but then he'd use no punctuation at all until I apologize.
i'm not going to ask anyone to apologize until you apologize for calling me out for demanding apologies

I'm sorry... that you feel that way.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:28 pm Also, I didn't forget about Tim's post where he calls Jack the SK. I'm considering it. I'm not going to SK hunt when we still have wolves to kill, but it's a thing. Don't forget he made that post, especially if he does flip wolf.

Why?

I'd suggest to Kyle that he use commas, but then he'd use no punctuation at all until I apologize.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:57 am I chose Scotty because I got a bad vibe on him from that TSP read.
And hilariously, I feel like the missing info here is that TSP had been off the lynch poll 2 days in a row, as well as today.
3 straight days without being able to be lynched sounds...not town. No matter how you look at it.

Again, I wholly disagree with that statement. I believe the opposite is true.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:11 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:55 am No, Mac didn't fake a red check on Scotty, I did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:41 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:30 am Aha! It was a fake. I like the idea here at least.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little. Gavial looks pretty towny from his reaction. Or at least 3p I guess, who knows?

Still townread Daisy despite Vulgard's case. Vulgard is looking like town here, but I guess it's one of the easiest ways to look towny - subbing in and taking fresh looks at everything.

Scotty looks pretty good from the reactions, but I already townread him. There was just one post I didn't like today:

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:15 pm mf Tony’s off the poll again.

Someone explain to me how that can be a town role again?
I know TSP is actually on the poll, but... being unyeetable is something that a wolf cannot be. If town is unyeetable, then the wolves still can nightkill them as a recourse. If a wolf is unyeetable, that's a really big issue. How did Scotty the villager get to the logic that he should throw some broad-based shade at TSP for being off the poll? Being off the poll for consecutive days would have surely been a town thing.

TSP is now on the poll, thus making him not unyeetable. Are you reading TSP solely off of that ability.
That was a Scotty read, not a TSP read.

I know you're primarily talking about Scotty, but you're also implying here that you think TSP has a town role if I'm interpreting correctly.
I think TSP is town, but I didn't intend to imply it with the post you quoted. Fair?

Almost, I'll rephrase my initial question. What makes you think TSP is town?

I'd just like to believe in my note, mostly. Could be TSP himself that sent the note though. Sends a note that says everyone at Boethiah is town, then he reveals that he, in fact, went to Boethiah. But the fact that it's Boethiah is a point I'm stuck on. I went to Boethiah, because Tim and Syn were going to Boethiah. It was public knowledge. TSP could have written the note about any Shrine, and then claimed it - going to Boethiah means he wants to help Tim make money, and he'd be townclearing anyone who went there. That would be a silly thing to do, for a wolf, right?

I'm somewhat conflicted about the note, but certain aspects of it lead me to believe it, despite part of my brain calling me a great fool.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 pm [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine

Oof...

Gotta sit down. This one knocked the wind outta me.

I chose Scotty because I got a bad vibe on him from that TSP read.

No, Mac didn't fake a red check on Scotty, I did.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:41 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:30 am Aha! It was a fake. I like the idea here at least.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little. Gavial looks pretty towny from his reaction. Or at least 3p I guess, who knows?

Still townread Daisy despite Vulgard's case. Vulgard is looking like town here, but I guess it's one of the easiest ways to look towny - subbing in and taking fresh looks at everything.

Scotty looks pretty good from the reactions, but I already townread him. There was just one post I didn't like today:

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:15 pm mf Tony’s off the poll again.

Someone explain to me how that can be a town role again?
I know TSP is actually on the poll, but... being unyeetable is something that a wolf cannot be. If town is unyeetable, then the wolves still can nightkill them as a recourse. If a wolf is unyeetable, that's a really big issue. How did Scotty the villager get to the logic that he should throw some broad-based shade at TSP for being off the poll? Being off the poll for consecutive days would have surely been a town thing.

TSP is now on the poll, thus making him not unyeetable. Are you reading TSP solely off of that ability.
That was a Scotty read, not a TSP read.

I know you're primarily talking about Scotty, but you're also implying here that you think TSP has a town role if I'm interpreting correctly.

I think TSP is town, but I didn't intend to imply it with the post you quoted. Fair?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:30 am Aha! It was a fake. I like the idea here at least.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little. Gavial looks pretty towny from his reaction. Or at least 3p I guess, who knows?

Still townread Daisy despite Vulgard's case. Vulgard is looking like town here, but I guess it's one of the easiest ways to look towny - subbing in and taking fresh looks at everything.

Scotty looks pretty good from the reactions, but I already townread him. There was just one post I didn't like today:

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:15 pm mf Tony’s off the poll again.

Someone explain to me how that can be a town role again?
I know TSP is actually on the poll, but... being unyeetable is something that a wolf cannot be. If town is unyeetable, then the wolves still can nightkill them as a recourse. If a wolf is unyeetable, that's a really big issue. How did Scotty the villager get to the logic that he should throw some broad-based shade at TSP for being off the poll? Being off the poll for consecutive days would have surely been a town thing.

TSP is now on the poll, thus making him not unyeetable. Are you reading TSP solely off of that ability.

That was a Scotty read, not a TSP read.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:19 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?
“Because if you did...If you brought dishonor to me on this, the day of my daughter’s wedding...well...”

I wish I had a Godfather role right now so that could be the most epic slip.

I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:56 pm Where is Gavial spewed by Mac??
Well, Mac did look at Marmot Mogh wagons and say "let's chop Gavial!" I'd generally agree that spews Gavial as not mafia.

Yeah, sure... maybe if it, you know... had happened.

But it didn't, did it?

Where is Gavial spewed by Mac??

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:51 pm @Long Con
Are you suffering with a new symptom?
Because like you are currently voting the dumbest vote RN considering I also have a Tracker and Watcher ability that has been recharged.

Are you going to do something towny with them soon?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:54 pm @Long Con
Mac flipping Scum.
Who looks the most Town from it?

Don’t lie!

I don't know. Mac was heavily into being chaotic.

I'm glad twilight was defined there, I was in the same boat. I also like it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:07 pm A collection of negative posts from Tim directed at Jack that largely don’t look like town Tim trying to solve Jack’s slot.

Disclaimers:
*I’m using the word “negative” very broadly to encompass “Jack’s reads are bad,” “I suspect Jack is a wolf,” and jokey “fuck you” kinda posts.

*There are a few bits in here that look like read attempts but they are very basics and are not followed up on

*I’m not personally upset at any of this. I can take a friendly rib and I can take disagreement and I can take suspicion. It isn’t that I think Tim is being mean or unfair. I think Tim is (consciously or unconsciously) putting light pressure on me, calling my reads bad, telling me to shut up and catch up, etc more than he’s trying to figure out my alignment because he’s a wolf. He doesn’t need to figure out my alignment. He needs to avoid yeet.

Spoiler: show
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:21 pm Hot take. Tim wolf. Seanzie....town.
Hot take...Jack spewing random hot takes.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:17 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:14 pm so Tim was wrong about Nanook, Seanzie, and Syn

I've been told he loves murdering townies as a wolf

should we be concerned yet?
What if your mafia cop that checked Tim and got a 3P peak.
You should claim it!
Sure what the hell? I copped our dear Tim.
3P or wolf? Nuance don’t matter. Yeet him.
Flat lie.
Rescind or die.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:40 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:17 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 8:16 pm

What if your mafia cop that checked Tim and got a 3P peak.
You should claim it!
Sure what the hell? I copped our dear Tim.
3P or wolf? Nuance don’t matter. Yeet him.
Flat lie.
Rescind or die.
It ain’t lylo you don’t have a chance
Pretend to suspect me. Let’s see how you dance.

I suspect you are daft. Have fun with your reaction test. When you are ready to buckle down and read stuff let me know.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:36 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:32 pm I'm probably not voting Marmot over the guy who randomly brought up 3Ps and threw out half the player list in random bursts as suspects with 0 reasoning
If I thought "I am not gonna be back before EoD" right now I would probably leave my vote on Made or Gavail...but Syn's prodding of Marmot seems well reasoned and I'll give it some juice to see where it goes.

Jack doing zero to solve is starting to look suss. Just a note for future town.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:41 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:38 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:36 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:32 pm I'm probably not voting Marmot over the guy who randomly brought up 3Ps and threw out half the player list in random bursts as suspects with 0 reasoning
If I thought "I am not gonna be back before EoD" right now I would probably leave my vote on Made or Gavail...but Syn's prodding of Marmot seems well reasoned and I'll give it some juice to see where it goes.

Jack doing zero to solve is starting to look suss. Just a note for future town.
I understand he's stuck in poetry but I'm patiently waiting for Jack reads that aren't "Tim wolf"
Yeah. Not a priority right now but hopefully he gets over it and starts sooner or later.

His "Tim wolf" read is mostly based on the first time I played with him he introduced himself as "the unchoppable" and I promptly got him chopped, most likely.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon, Kyle, Kza and Mac are town, of that I’m pretty sure
Tim makes bad pushes, his try is weak, dishonest to the core
Marmot is low hanging fruit, Syn, he’s just that way.
Same likely goes Made and Gavil. Weird, not scum I say.
Then who is Jack?

You are pretty clearly world building around "Tim wolf so anyone he pushes is town." Notably, numerous people who are pretty clearly town disagree with the majority of your reads there so maybe the root of your world build is flawed?

Can you give us anything on anyone that doesn't start with "Tim's a wolf, therefore..."?

Okay thanks in advance.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 4:50 pm Clears I am buying outright: Anyone that wants to chop one of these is gonna have to go through me.

Syn: got what seems to be validly greenchecked
Kza: outed a greencheck that removes a possible mischop from the wolves availability while marking themselves as a must out by endgame

Me: I heard it, I heard it, I heard it on the X

Solid looking townies that would have to just grow fangs and tear someone's head off on live video for me to support going after them today

Scottie: super useful town making smart points and pushes, takes townish risks
Mac: no reason to suspect the gif posting is anything but real restriction, day one was towny, day two towny enough given restrictions
Falcon: Alison's day one read on vote moves said not wolf, and I agreed then and it is too early to sweat a reeval without good cause
LongCon: day one outing that he also has no info on shrines when I was being pressed for exactly that is town behavior, too soon to reeval

Slightly less solid but probably still not today

Kyle: back and forth with Daisy was probably TvT, push on Marmot had the kind of bad reasoning townies often bumble into
Daisy: same TvT back and forth, plus her concerns about my slot seem uninformed

Won't kill, but maybe only because we cant

TSP: to get a free day pass and just contribute absolutely nothing is annoying AF, but NAI for him...playing day one from 'probably not getting chopped day one so just do nothing' is also annoying AF, but NAI for him...he either gets mech cleared or he is gonna get killed, that's his thing, but not today

Might softly be town, but not enough to really fight about

Qwags: there should be wolf pile on happening here no matter what his alignment, but I am thinking the wolves are more likely to not pile on a town early and if they were bussing they would pile on early to get a good seat...maybe
Gavail: the whole "I just call everyone who votes me the wolf team" is an incredibly dumb read system and could be faked, and the claim is sketch AF...but if somehow the claim is true and he comes back with a good watch report that is a huge potential swing and just boneyarding this early seems bad
Jack: "pick a wolf, build a world on it" also seems like a dumb system, but it's a system...and it is the sort of system town Jack might put up as his public face to avoid too many town reads...good third party candidate but less likely wolfing

Would kill but perhaps feel bad if they are town

Lost Monkey: There have been moments where I nodded along with their thoughts. Not enough to really town read them, but there's that sense of "at this pace they will have town cleared by day fourish" and they haven't struck me as scummy at all
Quin: Felt pretty good day one but not good enough to accept the total fall off the planet play

Would kill just because in two days there has been no sign of a pulse anyway:

Bo: seriously cannot say one thing about him without doing an ISO
Nacho: my only memory here is that he claims he will catch up someday
Enrique: do better or die...I mean, I know that's harsh, but seriously

Have a seemingly valid case for killing them outright

Flanders: There is a flaw, in that I still think dirty wolf would maybe not be preferred style, but man the push on Qwags looks dirty wolf to me
Marmot: People I trust are pushing, for what seem like good reasons, and his defenses have been sketchy
Made: Gimmick bad, reaction to responses to gimmick bad, wagon position day one bad...just overall, bad

Good luck town...I have company but should be able to spring a half hour or so for EoD

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.
Have you caught up on the setup? Are you genuinely unconcerned by "holding additional artifacts will unlock additional secret powers for the wolves, above and beyond the basic powers of the artifact itself"?

Presumably the wolves know what those secret additional powers are, and yeah if I get a sense that someone has an unhealthy investment in fighting for those powers that indicates they know what they are fighting for I'm intending to kill them.
I’m not concerned to the point where we start voting off townreads over it.

If I was a wolf, I would loooove the idea of the town giving my team a free pass during the day and our choice of nightkill in exchange for fuck all. Wolves win by getting X misyeets. You’re proposing we give the wolves one on a silver platter because of mechanics that we don’t even know what they are.

That’s a bad strategy bordering on openwolfing. Every time I see several players make an argument to yeet someone even if they are town, at least half those players end up being wolves.
How about to prevent a double night kill? "Oh we gave them a free pass during the day and now they get a nightkill" is one side of it. The other side is "we followed an idiot, chopped a townie, and now the wolves got a DOUBLE night kill plus who knows what else..." If you can convince me we are not biting into the "we followed an idiot and chopped a townie" part, great, but at last report your "number one scum read," for reasons unstated but seeming at least to me to be completely fucking daft, is ME...so I'm not throwing in with you here Jack.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:03 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.
ok this is a bad read

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:59 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm I townread Mac and LC for the stupid reason they chaosed themselves and that’s what I expect town them to do. Idk what I expect from wolf them. Mac seems in his town meta anyhow. Less sure on LC.
ok this is a bad read
More than just bad, tbh.

Look closer at Jack.
Yeh? What’s wolf Jack up to? Defending wolfbros who are under zero pressure? Trying to pocket effing Mac? Meeeeeeh.
Wolf Jack is subtly saying "look at me I am so towny," which especially for Jack is a not very towny thing to do.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 8:01 pm Like idgaf about making sure you town read me, Tim.

I’m not ignoring you saying things that don’t line up with reality just because it means you think I’m not a wolf. Who fucking cares? I think you’re a wolf atm and I’m not getting yeeted besides.
You are just offended, and should look at my motives because you honestly should not be offended...and by the way, neither of us is getting chopped any time soon.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 7:53 pm Show of hands. Who reads Daisy town and why?

Because the cases were moderately weak but (post restriction notwithstanding) I couldn’t get anyone except Syn to agree with me on or consider yeeting Daisy.

So people must townread her, right? Why?
I think her and Kyle yammering endlessly at each other D1 was TvT. I also think if she were a wolf she'd have given your daft tunnel on Tim play some support.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:04 pm Has anyone come up with a good reason not to follow through on chopping Flanders/Mogh?

Other than Jack wanting to punt him into the sun, is there anything good to be said for Marmot?

If both these answers are no why are there votes scattered randomly across the town?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine
That’s my first reaction to yesterday and the Mac flip as well.
Why's that Jack?

It's starting to look like you are in a tunnel of convenience buddy.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:11 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:03 pm [VOTE: Tim] aubergine
That’s my first reaction to yesterday and the Mac flip as well.
Why's that Jack?

It's starting to look like you are in a tunnel of convenience buddy.
Because you keep voting for townies.

It would look that way if you paid no attention at all or were a lying wolf, sure.

I’m not sure what to do with you consistently mischaracterizing my degree of suspicion/progression on you for basically the entire game.
Who have you voted for Jack? What's your claim to fame?

Pro tip: the only person "cleared by good vote" is whoever shot Mac last night. So make a case or get off my back. LOL

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:17 pm I am getting a huge deja vu thing here Mac...I thought Flanders was a hit and we were gonna kill him...and we didn't. Now I am looking at how all the action going to Gavial is coming from the Mogh wagon and not the Marmot wagon...

We might be making a bad play here and maybe we should have hard pushed Mogh...
Take this shit to its logical conclusion today.
I'm not gonna make your reads for you Jack, spit it or zip it.

My other obligation is running late.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:15 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:02 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:29 pm Okay, my ride's here...Long Con...be convincing please. Back later.
Lol

Why do I feel like this timing worked out such that Tim is under heat and he needs someone else to come distract?
Don't flatter either one of us. The wolf team isn't likely to sac someone to "save" me if I am a wolf. And you are barking up the wrong tree obviously enough that there would be no call for such a reaction anyway. Even with mad Jack for a wingman I don't think you can put me over.

Yo Daisy you wanna prove to me your Town read this.
@DaisyCloud
You wanna believe me to be Town?
Well it’s simple.
I said last day Mac Consig checked Tim SK.
Mac flipped with a Consig like shrine.

Look how Jack worded this post “He needs to avoid yeet”
Saying how that Tim is solo aligned.
Jack!Mafia reveals Tim!NotMafia

What do you think of this post on Jack?

"I said last day Mac Consig checked Tim SK.
Mac flipped with a Consig like shrine."

I think you said Consig is what the rest of the mafia world calls a "cop", right? I think I read that.

It's disingenuous to imply that Mac cop-checked Tim as SK. Mac has two abilities that you might be referring to: "You may target a player to learn what race their role is.", and "You may target a player to learn one Shrine ability they have available to them."

Even if he happened to target Tim with the second ability, and even if he happened to get to see a Shrine ability that has a kill, he still wouldn't assume SK, when Tim could have been a vig. And they would have killed Tim by now if they suspected that. This whole things reeks of deceptive wordplay.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:58 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:58 am if im lynched and you guys see i am town. please for the love of gravy lynch/kill gavial. okay thanks
But before I go to the post what actual town thinks this when I was spewed town from Mac.

I looked at Mac's treatment of Gavial, and I think it's extremely comfortably within Mac's wolf range as distancing, and it gives me bad vibes that Gavial himself is trying to push this.

[VOTE: gavial] aubergine

My feelings from catchup are that I'd also yeet Vulgard... the Daisy accusation-turnaround felt off to me, and I think it's a pocketing attempt... and Nacho as well, for the reaction to the fake redcheck on Scotty.

I never went for chaos, Jack and Tim were talking like I did, but I didn't.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:46 pm If he did he’s town if not he’s also town

Yeah, I don't have a red check, I don't do checks.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 12:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:53 am I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little.
Well there's a development. If you weren't my first town read in the game I'd murder you just because.

Why? That's ridiculous.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:00 am Jack, I hear you about the night actions dude. My own ability is so situational, plus, even if the situation comes up, it's only helpful a small percentage of the time. I'm basically vanilla.
Is it worth just massclaiming shit tier actions in the hopes that somebody is carrying “Radishes is a Skaven Secretary” and someone is carrying “The Skaven Secretary has the Orb of Prostate Health” and somebody else is carrying “Whoever holds the Orb of Prostate Health is a wolf” or is that just gonna cause us to put any actual useful power roles? Probably the later but I figured I’d ask.

Not worth it on my end.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:00 am Jack, I hear you about the night actions dude. My own ability is so situational, plus, even if the situation comes up, it's only helpful a small percentage of the time. I'm basically vanilla.
I highly doubt this.

Every role we’ve seen that have options of multiple shrines always tend to have one in a vacuum I could go “yeah, that’s the best one no doubt”

There are bit gonna be roles in this setup that could be considered vanilla

Should I out my role? I might as well, you will agree that it might as well be vanilla.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:59 am On my homesite, wolf flips are a rare commodity. They are usually the result of bussing, too. So I'm used to having few, if any, wolf flips to work with.

Hope you can find me town and I don't get misyeeted, though. That's as much as I can do as someone who replaced into a town slot.

Do you still think Daisy is a wolf? I have felt nothing but town vibes from her all game.

Jack, I hear you about the night actions dude. My own ability is so situational, plus, even if the situation comes up, it's only helpful a small percentage of the time. I'm basically vanilla.

I don't really have a Scotty red check. Just thought it would be fun to shake things up a little. Gavial looks pretty towny from his reaction. Or at least 3p I guess, who knows?

Still townread Daisy despite Vulgard's case. Vulgard is looking like town here, but I guess it's one of the easiest ways to look towny - subbing in and taking fresh looks at everything.

Scotty looks pretty good from the reactions, but I already townread him. There was just one post I didn't like today:

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 7:15 pm mf Tony’s off the poll again.

Someone explain to me how that can be a town role again?

I know TSP is actually on the poll, but... being unyeetable is something that a wolf cannot be. If town is unyeetable, then the wolves still can nightkill them as a recourse. If a wolf is unyeetable, that's a really big issue. How did Scotty the villager get to the logic that he should throw some broad-based shade at TSP for being off the poll? Being off the poll for consecutive days would have surely been a town thing.

Hey, I got a red check on Scotty.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:20 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:19 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:17 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:09 pm Bohethia to meet Syn and whoever else he got to tag along.
So you, me, Syn, and Tony went to Boethiah. Anyone else go there?? Very popular.
My profit numbers suggest three besides me...maybe four...but that's not a clear indication by any stretch.
I just wanted more chaos

But Boethiah isn't Chaos...?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:09 pm Bohethia to meet Syn and whoever else he got to tag along.

So you, me, Syn, and Tony went to Boethiah. Anyone else go there?? Very popular.

Tim, what Shrine did you go to last night?

Wow, ok. And this should satisfy the Stale Wagon Decriers as well. [VOTE: gavial] aubergine

I would CFD to Gavial based solely on all caps.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
I went to the Azura Shrine.
I got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.
was it coherent? (trying to figure out if gav sent it) - boethiah

It was coherent. It was not verbose, just a one-sentence statement of fact.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:15 pm no one answered my question but does literally anyone else have access to either of the two powers that gav has claimed so far

I have access to zero powers from Shrine visitation. I'm more like Tim, just no money.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 1:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:14 pm Thanks, Joseph. It's a tenuous plan, but I don't think it's a mafia-written note. I'd just like to know some Shrines before I reveal the one in the note.
From Alison’s Rolecard:
“ Mephala - You may target a player to send them an anonymous message (via the Host) that Night. You may not identify yourself in any way, violate any rules, or compel your target to violate any rules. Your message may otherwise contain any content pending Host approval.”

Is there more of a basis for thinking it’s probably from town? Because sounds like it could be any joe shmo sending that.

Yeah, there is something that makes me think it's from town.

Thanks, Joseph. It's a tenuous plan, but I don't think it's a mafia-written note. I'd just like to know some Shrines before I reveal the one in the note.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:56 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
I went to the Azura Shrine.
I got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.
I see no issue with forcing a mass claim and using your information as though it's good?

I've tried to shake loose some of the Shrine info since the day started, but there has been little response.

I don't do much meta.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
If you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
I think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.
What's your read on Daisy? For as many words as she's posted, she's one of the hardest players to read. Do you have meta on her?

I feel good about her being town. I like her interactions with Jack.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
If you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?
I think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.
Not Made?

Yeah, Made was green-checked by KZA, right? Him too then.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
only you are allowed to ask. but be careful.

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:54 am What group are you trying to swing at today, LC?

What are the groups?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:52 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
I went to the Azura Shrine.

I got a note last night that claimed no scum went to _______ Shrine last night. Wasn't Azura. Unsure of the veracity of the note.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:51 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:34 am I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?
If you don't have any standout wolf reads, then who's in your town core right now?

I think KZA, Scotty, Daisy.

What Shrine did you hit last night, Mac?

I'm playing. This is a tough one, wolves are blending in very well.

How kosher is it to ask everyone what Shrine they went to last night?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:41 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:51 pm Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?
That’s like a quarter of it.

I’ve laid out the whole thing in one post like 30 posts ago.

Yeah, I read it. That was not a quarter of it, rather substantially more.

My reading might be sloppy. Gimme the bare-bones of it, not a wall of quotes. Do not use the word 'Marmot'.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 8:23 pm can me and someone be masons with me? we can talk via emotes here in game thread. I just want someone to understand the words coming out of my mouth and explain to me what some players here are saying.

Your exasperation with Jack led me to look deeper into his accusations against you. Even when I read his big multiquote of why he suspects you, I barely came away with more than "her Marmot interactions", and I think that's suspicious.

I can't be your mason, but I think I understand you.

Jack is pushing hard on Daisy for her Marmot interactions. Could be a setup if he's bad with Marmot, I do like that.

Ok, I got replacement mixed up. Ok, I'm on board. [VOTE: mog] aubergine

Is the Mog vote based on QuinMog lowposting?

Jack, your issue with Daisy is entirely that you don't like her Marmot interactions, right?

Who else thinks they went to the same Shrine as Tim last night?

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