The Syndicate

Too sleepy, I was up till after 3am last night recarpeting stairs. Wilgy, JJJ, speedchuck.... my top suspect is speed, so consider my vote permanent. Good night!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:41 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.

Exactly how I feel about that.

Is this the core of your own speedchuck suspicion or is there more?

I believe this is the kernel, but I know I have seen more that made me say "hmmm" about him, keeping him in my Top 3.

Linki: Oh yeah I voted speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.

Exactly how I feel about that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Shit Epi they're onto us!



But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.

The case is nothingness. It's reaching for slips and it's "this post is weird." It's all tone and gut, even if you don't want to admit it.

Epi decided to not vote for me. Daisy and Eloh started tone reading me good.

The case twists because when the first nonslip is rejected by enough people, we come up with a new slip. I'm buddies with Jimmy per Dunya. I'm buddies with Epi now per you. Earlier I was buddies with Bob and I think I was accused of being buddies with Speed twice.

It's all bullshit. Tone reads for the townies (play more better) and frame ups for the baddies (play more better).

Why does my reaction look bad?

It looks bad because it jumps to the conclusion that I'm attacking you, when in reality I was just pointing out a fact to Sloonei. Massively overdefensive. You didn't have to say anything about it, but you said "Whoa, what a tinfoil, this case is bull!" Y'know?

Well, with Jack, it started with his mirroring of my stance in the Epignosis Day 1 stuff, and he's just seemed super-scummy to me in, frankly, a non-stop way. I haven't said much because there has been plenty of suspicion on Jack, which I seriously approve of.

Epignosis, well, on one hand he's being impossibly contrary, which is just his nature, but on the other hand I can't shake the feeling that he and Jack are teammates. Little interactions, too-ironic-to-not-believe faketeaming, just the way they played both sides on me during Day 1. Epignosis is notoriously inscrutable, but gun to head I still suspect him.

And speedchuck... I totally forget why, but I know he's my third of Top 3 Suspects. I'll post this, and get back to you on speedy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Shit Epi they're onto us!



But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.

Name three suspects.

The main three on my mind are Jack, speedchuck, and Epignosis.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

Shit Epi they're onto us!



But seriously, LC. You don't see my halo and my spikey shoes? The case can't keep twisting and turning to fit whatever new tinfoil should arise.

Can you explain what you mean here?

Sloonei said he thought the votes moved off you because the case crumbled. I reminded him of Epignosis' non-case-related reasons to not vote for you. Then you accuse me of "twisting and turning" for some tinfoil case?

That reaction just looks so bad to me.

I watched Get Out twice. Really great.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:00 pm So here's the problem I have with Dunya. And in general.

I try to be really aware of my tunneling instinct so I gut re-evaluate my suspects as I go. When I go a few rounds with someone and we both back off, I tend to townread them for no good reason. Also, I tend to be able to scare people off.

This is really convenient for scum Jack. In ME, me and SVS did this a few times and as long as I discredited her enough, she stayed off me and I could pretend we were both burying the hatchet for a phase. Cause I didn't actually need to figure SVS out.

Now I'm feeling the same with Dunya but I do need to figure out her alignment. I've toyed with townreading her because she's not likely w/w based on yesterday.....but I've previously theorized that she was w/w with Jimmy after she made a fakey Jack/Jimmy scumteam theory.

So idk. I want to townread Dunya but realistically, nothing has changed.

(Things have changed with DDL so that's nice. Bob, enjoy orbiting my null read spot.)

Are there any other similarities to other games where you were scum that you'd like to share anecdotes about?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:16 am Rip SD

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.

Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.

Going to bed now, will poke back after some sleep.

I understand these words but not the sentences.

In the wider Mafia world, I believe nightkills most often reveal the role of the deceased. In our microcosm, it was never that way, and I believe Marmot is playing it old-school in this one... no infodumping and no reveals on the nightkills.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:11 am I think Epi played a big role in disintegrating the Jack case, yeah.

To my recollection, Epi didn't comment much on the Jack case. He spoke of the value he found from having an active player like Jack in the thread, and that he's happy to revisit lynching him later. I haven't looked back, because I'm not sitting here for long periods, just checking in as I do other things... but that's what I remember.

I don't consider anything "crumbled" about the Jack case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 am I think the votes moved off of Jack because the case around him kind of crumbled. It could be that there were opportunistic scum on his bandwagon, but I don't get any impressions of him being saved. But I've changed my mind on him about 8000 times this game, so who knows?

I disagree, Epignosis had an important role in saving Jack in that lynch. It was his push that made it all start happening in the end there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:35 pm Several people have given their opinions on Mesk no one has mentioned Dom like at all other than to say he hasn't said anything.

Ok.

I thought Dom was probably trying to buddy me by responding to my post. His second post makes me think he's likely a baddie trying to hide behind "not putting in the effort to read or post."

Does that work for you?

LC. Calling out buddying at the drop of a hat.

I like your hat too, buddy!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:35 pm Several people have given their opinions on Mesk no one has mentioned Dom like at all other than to say he hasn't said anything.

Ok.

I thought Dom was probably trying to buddy me by responding to my post. His second post makes me think he's likely a baddie trying to hide behind "not putting in the effort to read or post."

Does that work for you?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:00 pm another example, an LC townie flip would mean Epi is scum

Damn, then let's skip the middleman and get straight to an Epi lynch!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:43 am Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.

3J had Mesk as good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:20 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 am Mesk514

what about her

I agree with you that the base logic behind a Mesk lynch is similar to that of a Dom lynch, but it's a more substantive option.

3J voted Mesk over Dom because...Mesk posted more than Dom did? What is this anarchy?

I was under the impression that JJJ had expressed suspicion of her previously, and that's why he wanted to move from Dom to Mesk. I didn't research his posts to verify that though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:47 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:33 am
Epi, it's like you had a stroke, and no longer understand simple things anymore.

Mesk and Dom are considered zeroes because of lack of content. So they're equal at zero, lynching either low poster has the same value. BUT! Mesk has some content that is suspicious. So she gets notched one point to the negative, making her a relative -1 to Dom's established zero. Clearly, the unspoken value system places suspiciousness at a lower number than Civvishness. If there had been a hypothetical third low-poster who had one or two posts that really rang Civ, then they might have been +1, less of a good lynch target despite being a near-equally low poster.

I refuse to believe that you have lost the ability to understand simple concepts. Therefore you are pretending to not understand as an agenda. Maybe the agenda is to make the baddies think twice about killing you, and maybe it's to make the Civs think twice about lynching you. OR some third option, but there's damn well something going on with you here, and this kind of fakery makes me suspicious.

No. Mesk had a point in her favor, and I pointed it out on Day 1, but you called it "buddying."

How's my long game going so far? How's that "buddying" working out for me with my "buddy" lynched?

I'd say you chose the wrong buddy. And if you're talking about the "I don't know about dirt" or whatever, you already cancelled that out by claiming to have reevaluated it following her later post about "Civilians means scum?" Sooo... how does she have a point in her favour?

Plus, I doubt JJJ was using your perspective when he voted. Isn't it more likely that he had found something suspicious in her posts using his own perspective?

Since you are prodding for the Long Con Show... I was going to try to let this one go, but you're playing me like a finely-tuned fiddle here so I'll go ahead and waste my time some more. WTF is this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

The poll order is... not meaningful, I think.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

-1 is less than 0. I don't even know what that means. I mean, I do, but not in this context.

I would like Long Con to analyze this line of thinking. He likes telling me I'm full of shit. Maybe he can have fun with you for a chance.

Epi, it's like you had a stroke, and no longer understand simple things anymore.

Mesk and Dom are considered zeroes because of lack of content. So they're equal at zero, lynching either low poster has the same value. BUT! Mesk has some content that is suspicious. So she gets notched one point to the negative, making her a relative -1 to Dom's established zero. Clearly, the unspoken value system places suspiciousness at a lower number than Civvishness. If there had been a hypothetical third low-poster who had one or two posts that really rang Civ, then they might have been +1, less of a good lynch target despite being a near-equally low poster.

I refuse to believe that you have lost the ability to understand simple concepts. Therefore you are pretending to not understand as an agenda. Maybe the agenda is to make the baddies think twice about killing you, and maybe it's to make the Civs think twice about lynching you. OR some third option, but there's damn well something going on with you here, and this kind of fakery makes me suspicious.

I have to go to bed. Nite nite!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Because you insist on saying stupid shit about me. That isn't conducive to communication. It's conducive to me thinking you just want to try to get one over on me.

But you don't understand.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am come on LC (or kyle or quin or wilgy) join usss

This is pretty convincing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Just felt right.

Oh yeah, Elton John, not Bob Dylan.

Linki: 'Ella...... come on

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 pm
That is not all that surprising.

I don't care about surprising you.

Rude!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:50 pm I care about getting you to make good decisions.

Cross-page two-parter... nice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

I was not bad in that game. I was an independent who ultimately chose to side with a bad team.

I'm going to rip your arms off and beat Long Con to death with them because of this failure to understand simple independent mechanics.

Yeah, my Indy role could win with the Civvies, and Epi's Indy role was designed to become a baddie. Please don't group us together.

My role was designed to become bad? You are clueless. I chose to-

Never mind. You think I chose who responded to Elton John lyrics. I don't have to try to understand you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 pm
That is not all that surprising.

I don't care about surprising you.

Rude!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:50 pm I care about getting you to make good decisions.

Cross-page two-parter... nice.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

I was not bad in that game. I was an independent who ultimately chose to side with a bad team.

I'm going to rip your arms off and beat Long Con to death with them because of this failure to understand simple independent mechanics.

Yeah, my Indy role could win with the Civvies, and Epi's Indy role was designed to become a baddie. Please don't group us together.

Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:04 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

There are a number of people doing fuck all, and people seriously want to lynch someone who, in my opinion, breathed life into a stagnant thread?

If Dunya is bad, let her keep talking.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:23 pmRegardless of his alignment, I respect a guy who takes a principled stance and refuses to answer a question in good conscience.

So I'll take this stance:

I'm not voting for Jack today. Four mafia out there. Jack may well be one, but I'm not voting for him today. Maybe tomorrow if the fancy strikes. I don't believe anybody will believe we're teammates even if he is bad, so I don't even care on that front.

This almost had me voting for Dom, then,

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

There are a number of people doing fuck all, and people seriously want to lynch someone who, in my opinion, breathed life into a stagnant thread?

I like the sound of that.

I buy that.

That is not all that surprising.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:41 pm I read through Jack's responses to my onslaught of bullshit earlier and it occurs to me that there is a non-0 chance that maybe I was being the asshole in that situation??

With my head cleared now I can see that his answers are fairly clear and decisive and not as smug and evasive as I was viewing them to be.

Also i noticed how warm I am right now and i realized I haven't been drinking water today which is pretty much a don't do when you've been transformed into a fountain of mucus by the gods of pestilence. I think I let some of my dehydrated grumpiness leak into the thread and I apologize.

Ew.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

There are a number of people doing fuck all, and people seriously want to lynch someone who, in my opinion, breathed life into a stagnant thread?

If Dunya is bad, let her keep talking.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:23 pmRegardless of his alignment, I respect a guy who takes a principled stance and refuses to answer a question in good conscience.

So I'll take this stance:

I'm not voting for Jack today. Four mafia out there. Jack may well be one, but I'm not voting for him today. Maybe tomorrow if the fancy strikes. I don't believe anybody will believe we're teammates even if he is bad, so I don't even care on that front.

This almost had me voting for Dom, then,

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:47 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm The issue I'm running into is that at this point I suspect both dunya and jack, but they can't both be bad, dunya is voting for Jack, Jack is being irregularly difficult at all times.

I'd be up for a dunya lynch. I keep having this nagging voice in the back of my head that says, "She's bad, Tasha. B. A. D." But part of me feels bad because she does aeem to be really on top of things and very helpful, especially for a replacement.

There are a number of people doing fuck all, and people seriously want to lynch someone who, in my opinion, breathed life into a stagnant thread?

I like the sound of that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:14 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:05 pm I'm done listening to Jack and Dunya. You two hit the showers. I want people talking about other people.

Who do you want to talk about?

I don't want to talk about anyone. I want people talking about other people:

"Jack and Dunya are dead. Who gets your vote and why?"

Speedchuck, perhaps. He's my next suspect besides Jack.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.

Only the last two examples seem meaningful to me. All the others were in response to someone throwing Pirates at Kyle.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:52 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:53 pm

YET ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

8


insertnamehere has replaced Glorfindel.

INH replaced in with time to submit a kill for Night 1.

Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:53 pm

insertnamehere posted elsewhere at 11:36pm EST this same evening.

And dunya said that she thinks there is more of a team kill rather than a specific role that can send in the kill because if it were a specific role then marmot would have replaced her there.

So if only the killer mafia role is allowed to send in a kill, then I think it has to velong toneither INH or dunya. Most likely INH since he replaced in first. @Marmot can the team send in the kill as a group pm? (Hey... doesn't hurt to ask, right?)

Sure!

This reads like he's responding to a baddie asking in BTSC.

Dammit epi, you inspired me.

vote dom

I do recall that DFaraday was my scum team's killer in Flash Mafia, and he was locked up since Phase 1. It was a difficult game, being a scum team without a kill, or starting BTSC/knowledge of our scum team. But we pulled it off!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:49 pm @dunya it was in fact crossover, where Jack was mafia.

Spoiler: show

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:29 pm Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

Dizzy, I've got to run, but I'll come back to address your post about me.

Sorry. I was too busy catching opposing baddies LC, Epi, Dizzy and Silver to deal with you.

I was Indy.

If Jack is bad, then he has slipped twice.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:14 pm I want to bring home the thought I had about LC during the GTH.... My civ reading towards him was because of the way he pursued his gut read on Epi, but then when I had to make a split second decision I tried hard to think of anything specific he's contributed to the thread recently and I couldn't.

Aaaww, again?

I'm reading more than writing at this time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

Spoiler: show

colonialbob, Mesk, and Sloonei are good because Epignosis is buddying / intimidating them
Epignosis is bad because he is buddying / intimidating colonialbob, Mesk, Sloonei

As circular as a fake boob.

Yes, that is well-restated illogic. Did you post it in order to point out the great flaw we discussed earlier?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

Was I going around in circles or tunnelling? These mixed metaphors are just making me shake my head.

BOTH. You were tunneling and refused to do anything else

FALSE. I also discussed other players and interactions.

you did, as a sideline, but my post was meant to amplify the fact that your main objective and clear focus was on Epi. Please tell me I'm wrong.

You were wrong when you said that I refused to do anything else. You were right when you said my main objective on Day 1 was Epi. I don't think hyperbole is necessary.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am

, despite him counterclaiming your accusations and going back and forth, and back and forth.

MISLEADING. I didn't post "despite" his counterclaims, I posting BECAUSE his counterclaims were all so bullshitty. Like saying that I knew Mesk and bob were Civvies, or saying that I claimed he "magically chose" who would respond to his Bob Dylan thing.

If I accuse you of something, and all you have to counter it are ridiculous arguments, then it's going to make me suspect you more. Every time. I don't really understand why most of the thread just smile and nod when reading some of this crap, but hey, everyone has to play their own way.

One could argue here that your accusations were ridiculous in the first place.

One could, but the proper response to an argument that one thinks is ridiculous should be to say "That's ridiculous, and here's why...", not to invent ridiculous counterarguments. The ridiculous counterarguments were the main reason for my focus on the subject. If Epignosis, or you, or anyone else didn't like the way that played out, there's a really good piece of advice for you. Inventing several way-more-ridiculous counterarguments is not useful, and wastes time.

Unless causing distractions and wasting time is useful to one's plans in whatever alignment one might be, of course. I might try to use that next time I'm bad, actually, I think it can be pretty effective.

The way I saw this pan out was Epi made a tongueincheek comment after Bob played along with him. I've done many of these before. Someone makes a hilarious post on Day 1, ok dude, I won't look your way on Day 1, there's three other anti town players I can be concentrating on so why not. You really blew that one way out of proportion by calling it buddying on Day 1. Do you think if there was a solid case against Bob, Epi would have turned the other cheek? I mean, let's be real.

I'm all too real. No, I don't think that Epi would shy away from a solid case on a Civvie he has buddied at some point. I don't think that's how buddying works - it's not a vow to protect and save the player you're buddying, it's a subtle buildup of showing a similar mindset, cultivating that into a mutual Civ acknowledgement on some level.

Mesk -- I saw what Epi was seeing. Is it groundbreaking and completely ethical and fool proof? No. But is any Day 1 lynch 100% fool proof? No. His response to narrowing his suspect pool on the grounds of a townie-ping he got from Mesk was not at all "ridiculous". You completely dismissing it was rather over the top though.

Sounded fake to me, so I pursued it. Don't conflate my dogged debunking of Epi's ridiculous counterarguments with an insistence that this was a sure thing.

Again, I do view you as townie, and as such, I really think you're playing a dangerous game here. If Epi was lynched and he flipped town against your better judgement, would you have done an "ooopsie, this happens every game, sorry guyzzzz but Epi is soooo scummy".

Danger is my middle name. If Epi is lynched and he flips bad against your better judgement, will you praise my instincts, or brush it off as a lucky break? We don't need to play this What If game, really, since this happens every game. Let's find one where I got Civ Epi lynched!

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 amIf I didn't have to laboriously point that kind of stuff out, then there wouldn't have been so much focus. Don't blame me. It's like blaming outraged Native Americans for getting upset about Trump's "Pocahontas" comment. Like, "shut up you guys, you're going around in circles and tunnelling about this!"

I find your comparison here hilarious and very reflective of the kind of player you are.

Well I would hope so.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am

To go around in circles is basically talk about Epi all day/night long without achieving anything new. I wasted a lot of effort on you and Epi's bromance.

Just ignore my posts then, if that's how you feel. It's a Syndicate tradition.

don't be salty.

I'm not salty anymore, these days it just provides me with bewildered amusement.

You do realize you've done this a lot in the past (I mean, I've witnessed it several times and I haven't even played 5 games on this forum) and it was misdirected in the past, right? How many times have you successfully targeted a scum based on Day 0+ tunneling? How many times was it misguided?

Pirates was pretty recent, and it went really well for me. Too well, really, they killed me early. Twice. Targeted me Night 1, and then Night 2 again when I proved to be too awesome to kill the first time.

I've done things like go after a player that everyone else saw as town, but at least I've been honest with myself and the thread, that it's intuition-based and I didn't have any solid ground to stand on. Your grounded stubbornness, on the other hand, is pretty dangerous to town imo. No one should be that sure of themselves at this point, except scummers when they call another player townie.

That is a reasonable opinion.

There are facets to my gameplay that you are not considering, ones you are not aware of, so you couldn't consider them. I don't really want to peel away the layers and expose my every strategy here, because the game's not over.

also sorry, I speak four languages and am a master of none. Instead of shaking your head or face palming at my mistakes, perhaps you could tell me what you think I misconstrued so it doesn't happen again. No sarcasm intended.

I thought I was pretty clear if there were any instances that I thought you misconstrued something. Like giving a Circular Logic example, for instance. If there's somewhere I've failed to do that, let me knwo and I'll correct my oversight.

I'm more into Alt Rock kind of stuff so I didn't get the joke... but I did just do some research and found out Taylor Swift has a song called 'Blank Space'. So, I didn't laugh, but I did learn. That's good too.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

Was I going around in circles or tunnelling? These mixed metaphors are just making me shake my head.

BOTH. You were tunneling and refused to do anything else

FALSE. I also discussed other players and interactions.

, despite him counterclaiming your accusations and going back and forth, and back and forth.

MISLEADING. I didn't post "despite" his counterclaims, I posting BECAUSE his counterclaims were all so bullshitty. Like saying that I knew Mesk and bob were Civvies, or saying that I claimed he "magically chose" who would respond to his Bob Dylan thing.

If I accuse you of something, and all you have to counter it are ridiculous arguments, then it's going to make me suspect you more. Every time. I don't really understand why most of the thread just smile and nod when reading some of this crap, but hey, everyone has to play their own way.

If I didn't have to laboriously point that kind of stuff out, then there wouldn't have been so much focus. Don't blame me. It's like blaming outraged Native Americans for getting upset about Trump's "Pocahontas" comment. Like, "shut up you guys, you're going around in circles and tunnelling about this!"

To go around in circles is basically talk about Epi all day/night long without achieving anything new. I wasted a lot of effort on you and Epi's bromance.

Just ignore my posts then, if that's how you feel. It's a Syndicate tradition.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

Was I going around in circles or tunnelling? These mixed metaphors are just making me shake my head.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:03 amnevermind I found it.

So, was I using circular logic?

No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:36 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:29 am There is nothing circular about the Epi case. The "circular" rebuttal is fake, and it makes me suspicious to see it called real.

Let's say, JaggedJimmyJay made a Crowded House reference in the thread Day 0, and you spotted it and called it out. Then he was like, you're cool LC, I'm not lynching you today.

Would you read that as scum JJJ immediately?

Are you not willing to admit a little bias and aggression in how hard you went after Epi for slightly mundane reasons? Didn't you feel you did better scum hunting when you didn't focus all posts on him?

I'm sorry, I didn't see a reference to circles there.

There is nothing circular about the Epi case. The "circular" rebuttal is fake, and it makes me suspicious to see it called real.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:47 am @Long Con

Do you think this last post is a slip? Serious question.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:15 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:14 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:11 am @Quin what do you think of sprityo?

GTH bad. I haven't got time to go much deeper than that on him today though.

Will you trust me and vote for him?

Not off of this post alone.

why am i bad?

No, I do not.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:38 pm (inb4 Epi "you are. I know exactly where I'm shooting")

I read this as a sexual joke.

I was about to respond, "I'm shooting in the dark too."

I am twelve years old and what is this?

You are 30. OR was it 26?