The Syndicate

I'm interested in what @Marmot did.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:16 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:13 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:02 pm @daisy why do you think gav is not 3p

from my smooth brain understanding of the set up the 3rd party is most likely the mog bog or however u spell its champion. and I believe Gavial is not mog bogus champion

Is that cause you tried to razor him last night, WOLF?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:56 pm i'm kinda under the impression that we can reasonably kill gav now

Would support.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:41 pm I think jack dying means that the wolves have a name who is on top of things which is slightly surprising because there are possibly only three of us left

Three of whom?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:02 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:55 pm And again...how do you know? You said you were blocked...and that you are fairly certain it wasn't by LC...do you have info about who did it?

Yeah, I did it to myself

Just you? You and no one else?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:30 pm Is Boethiah the block shrine or something? No, I did nothing.

It is a block shrine for at least some people. I saw it on a flip at some point I think. It may not be the ONLY source of blocks. But I think it would be interesting to see who else claims to have gone to Boethia's shrine and what they got from it...and if they got a block why they used it on Scotty.

So did you do well with money then? Did you make enough to blow this thing wide open, or what?

No. At least I didn't zero, but if we are looking for me to vig somebody else and save the day I think we are in really bad trouble. For one thing I think the game ends before I get another shot, and for a second I am now pretty clueless on who I want to shoot.

Oh yeah, you only have the one vig power, I forgot. LOL So that Musk thing that subtracted 4 votes was just a trick, right? I hadn't fully internalized that yet.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:30 pm Is Boethiah the block shrine or something? No, I did nothing.

It is a block shrine for at least some people. I saw it on a flip at some point I think. It may not be the ONLY source of blocks. But I think it would be interesting to see who else claims to have gone to Boethia's shrine and what they got from it...and if they got a block why they used it on Scotty.

So did you do well with money then? Did you make enough to blow this thing wide open, or what?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:26 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:25 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:20 pm
Who’s asking?

Probably Tim.

I hear he’s an enchanter

No but like why is Boethiah important?

It was Tim's requested moneymaker shrine last night. I went there.

Did you get a block for your troubles?

I don't know if I would be able to tell a difference between my regular shrine visit and a block.

Do you still not know what happens when you visit a shrine?

No, I now know that nothing happens.

*unless*

And *unless* hasn't happened yet.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:25 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:20 pm
Who’s asking?

Probably Tim.

I hear he’s an enchanter

No but like why is Boethiah important?

It was Tim's requested moneymaker shrine last night. I went there.

Did you get a block for your troubles?

I don't know if I would be able to tell a difference between my regular shrine visit and a block.

There's an interesting thing here but I am not sure how to play it. Scotty got blocked. I have a fairly accurate idea how many people were at the block shrine.

@Long Con did you block Scotty?

Is Boethiah the block shrine or something? No, I did nothing.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:17 pm Oh, also while I have everyone captive in this room all by myself, I went to the chaos shrine again, and I was blocked. Again. That’s all I got

Do you not have access to Boethiah?

Who’s asking?

Probably Tim.

I hear he’s an enchanter

No but like why is Boethiah important?

It was Tim's requested moneymaker shrine last night. I went there.

Did you get a block for your troubles?

I don't know if I would be able to tell a difference between my regular shrine visit and a block.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:17 pm Oh, also while I have everyone captive in this room all by myself, I went to the chaos shrine again, and I was blocked. Again. That’s all I got

Do you not have access to Boethiah?

Who’s asking?

Probably Tim.

I hear he’s an enchanter

No but like why is Boethiah important?

It was Tim's requested moneymaker shrine last night. I went there.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:18 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:10 pm I think we learned literally nothing from monkey’s flip.

There’s a very good chance at least 1 mafia bussed him.

I think LC looks the worst from this lynch, mostly because I can’t find anything in his ISO even talking about LM. He wasn’t around for the last 3 hours of EoD but I’m not convinced he would have even bothered with any input into it had he been.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I never had anything to say about him. Lost Monkey connections are probably not the greatest method at this point to finding the rest of the team. But if you must:

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:22 pm I dont think gavial is scum, he is probably town with the way he went after Mac. There is a chance vulgard/enrique can be scum, i played extremely poorly this game but he still had me as town which weirded me out though.

Most likely here. [VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Why not gavial from that list? How is Vulgard more suspicious in that interaction?

Just judging by the language he uses. They could both be scum, I'm just a lot more sure about Vulgard.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:17 pm Oh, also while I have everyone captive in this room all by myself, I went to the chaos shrine again, and I was blocked. Again. That’s all I got

Do you not have access to Boethiah?

Who’s asking?

Probably Tim.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:17 pm Oh, also while I have everyone captive in this room all by myself, I went to the chaos shrine again, and I was blocked. Again. That’s all I got

Do you not have access to Boethiah?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:10 pm I think we learned literally nothing from monkey’s flip.

There’s a very good chance at least 1 mafia bussed him.

I think LC looks the worst from this lynch, mostly because I can’t find anything in his ISO even talking about LM. He wasn’t around for the last 3 hours of EoD but I’m not convinced he would have even bothered with any input into it had he been.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I never had anything to say about him. Lost Monkey connections are probably not the greatest method at this point to finding the rest of the team. But if you must:

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:22 pm I dont think gavial is scum, he is probably town with the way he went after Mac. There is a chance vulgard/enrique can be scum, i played extremely poorly this game but he still had me as town which weirded me out though.

Most likely here. [VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:37 pm vestige of the lamb

Is that you?

What's vtl?

That list may be TOO awful to come from a wolf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

Also I don’t know if you’re joking or not with this but if you think I’m going to final 3 in any capacity with the way I’m playing, you’re being disingenuous.

It was said in a vacuum I guess, not as a holistic gamestate analysis. I just tinfoil you, my gut has told me multiple times that you're bad despite some good feels. Let's hope the game doesn't have to reach that point either way.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

How about in your jack of hearts

I'm keeping One Eye on him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:12 pm Ugh I’m with jack.

I hate this game

In my heart of hearts, I think you are a wolf, Scotty. Don't Final 3 with me if you are.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:11 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm Another thing that is making this game difficult is as we get lower in numbers all I want to do is get an edge wherever I can, and I’m starting to resort to angleshooting. And I don’t know what to do about that. It’s frankly pissing me off

I really think LC is a hit. I really, really do.

But I'll look like a clown if I'm wrong, and I know I'm town. That's why I'm trying to vote with my townreads.

LC has been sus of you and looking your way since d4.
I’d normally just say ya he’s probably omgus’ing you, but he’s followed this line.
Meanwhile you came to your conclusion on him later, so yours looks more advantageous

I'm not sure what you mean by this part - does Vulgard have the advantage, or is he taking advantage...?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:19 am We tied. 3-3-3-3

Thems pretty numbers

Visually appealing, but let's appreciate it and then move on to consolidation.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:37 am Bold of you to claim I flip wolf.

I have few doubts about it.

After Vulgard flips wolf, I better not hear any crap about him just doing distancing on his teammate, Long Con, or isn't really actually dedicated to getting me yeeted. I will not be amused, and may ragequit.

Kyle was a late falcon voter, right? Possible bus there?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

What stage is that?

Me getting sussed.

Usually happens much earlier.

Is suspicion of you based on game timing, not your thread interactions and opinions?

What's the point of this question

Understanding you.

You've played with me before. You have a brain. You know my initial posts were largely tongue in cheek.

Stop angling to get on my wagon and just hop on with the others.

I don't remember your initial posts, are tongue in cheek post supposed to make me believe you are town? I don't know why you expect the world when your game plan is to not try and to not give a fuck.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:54 pm I still don't see anyone giving good reasons not to kill LC, by the way.

Maybe because they've played with me before and they understand that I am town?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

What stage is that?

Me getting sussed.

Usually happens much earlier.

Is suspicion of you based on game timing, not your thread interactions and opinions?

What's the point of this question

Understanding you.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:13 pm ok so tim claimed 3p and now im gonna vote gavial because he was there when I took an arrow to the knee

Kinda sure Tim claimed vig, not 3p.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:07 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

What stage is that?

Me getting sussed.

Usually happens much earlier.

Is suspicion of you based on game timing, not your thread interactions and opinions?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:13 pm Oh we're at this stage of the game are we.

What stage is that?

I don't know, I think if you ask gavial, he would tell you the wolves fear him the most.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:08 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:05 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 am if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

Why did you think I was the vig? Why would you think I am Mafia?

cause you lied about the red check. that made me think you was vig. you was looking for reactions. I figured that be something important for vig

but tim claims vig.

I can see mafia faking checks.

Mafia can absolutely fake checks. This is not one of those times.

It was getting to be too far into the game for the amount of "I really can't tell who is suspicious" I was feeling. I have seen other people do fake red checks before so I thought I would give it a whirl. I don't think I have ever done a fake red check as either alignment before, so I didn't really have a plan for how to proceed with it, beyond knowing I would reveal the fakeness before the day was half over.

One thing I did get from it was that gavial looked villagery because he came in soon after, and listed suspects that didn't include Scotty, or an awareness of the red check. I go back and forth on gavial, but I think he gave me a very similar villager feel when he didn't acknowledge my accusation of him again.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 am if tim is telling the truth and us vig then I think lc is 3rd party or mafia.

cause I thought lc was the vig

Why did you think I was the vig? Why would you think I am Mafia?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:56 am I would like to point out that while we are engaging in hot debates, Long Con popped in just to shade and vote me.

This isn't a person interested in solving the game, neither is it a person eager to take themselves out of the PoE. Almost certainly a wolf.

Ok, wolf. Yes, we know I'm your hot yeet target. I will shade and vote you anytime I see an opportunity, because I want to yeet you and your wolf slot.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:38 am Gavil correctly iding Tim as 3P is tilting ngl

Are you deliberately misspelling his name?

I am town, not 3p. Vulgard is neither. [VOTE: vulgard] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:54 pm My vote today will be on either Jack or Vulgard.

Why to both

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:59 pm Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:55 pm I have a very hard time making a 3 player wolfteam without Tim even if I had no reason to suspect him and I feel like I have a fair bit.

Same goes for LC only I don’t have a lot of specific reason to suspect LC.

Radish, Marmot, Lost Monkey...from my POV an easy possibility that you should be able to immediately think "hmmm, could be" about...without even having to dismiss obvious facts with "well, wolf Tim could do just anything so I never clear him ever."

No overlap and they don’t suspect each other.

Should I suspect Tim for having different reads than me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:16 pm I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

Can you summarize your reasoning for suspecting both Falcon and Marmot and for townreading Tim?

I didn't suspect falcon or Marmot beyond not specifically townreading them like Tim or Scotty or Made. I think Tim has been very towny in this game, and that most of the cases against him sound wrong.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:46 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:43 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:36 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:27 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:17 pm Tim- know that I’m going to actually look into this today because I need to do a better job at looking at the game in a day by day basis.

I appreciate the effort and will stop screaming at you.

FWIW, my alignment aside I live and by by watching movements at EoD. I generally get a lot more information that way than any other. That's why you see me and Mac as potential partners (in alignment) because we were partnery at EoDs...but it's because we play the same way in that respect. I am more considered in my movements where Mac just wildly flings votes (IMO), but we are both moving to cause movements more than we are following particular reads.

It’s not just your EoDs that are troubling, but I am harping on those because I see a pattern, and it’s not catching scum while still being entrenched as the town voice.

Also you passed me in highest poster sometime yesterday, so there’s that.

NAI...I post a lot when I am on defense.

And yeah, I've said it myself that when I don't have pelts I am hard to trust, so I understand. But seriously, "I helped start a wagon on the most powerful wolf just so that I could wifom off it if he did flip" is just bad wolf play no matter how you look at it, and the one thing I think everyone will agree on is that if you find yourself saying "yeah bad play but wolves just make bad plays sometimes so Tim"...I'm not that wolf. I may not be great town, but when I play wolf I am three steps ahead on every path.

I don’t remember you “starting” the wagon. But I also don’t have the patience to look all the way back through through the various vote orders yesterday

But point taken.

Hey, how do you read LC right now?

My only alignment indicative thing on LC is that he stepped in day one when I was potentially mischoppable and got me off the hook.

You and I had our clear difference about how you knew what the shrines you could visit would do and I could go to any shrine but didn't know shit. I see no reason why a w!LC steps in there and says "yeah me too" when I was on that hot seat. Sure, it was going to eventually resolve as NAI on both sides, but what's the point of making that happen? Just to pocket me? I am usually deemed not worth pocketing by most wolf teams, but maybe. Not something I am quite ready to look at when Radishes has done obvious wolf driven things.

This looks like a pocket if I’ve ever heard one, if LC is bad. And if it looks like a pocket to me, and you aren’t deemed worth pocketing? Why is that?


That’s the ONLY alignment-indicative thing you’ve taken away from LC? Sheesh

I wasn't really cognizant of the idea that I could be suspected for what Tim is saying, on Day 1. I was just sharing what my Shrine experience/relationship was... or wasn't. It probably doesn't read like a pocket attempt.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:20 pm I don't think that nacho was a bad vig shot. I would have definitely wasted time and votes on nacho at some point.

I think Nacho was a decisive vote on the Falcon wagon and think a town vig that shot anyone but me or Marmot made a bad shot. With me being a kind of bad shot.

Mmm, I did not factor that in when I took the shot. Just kidding. About the shot. Not about the factor.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:20 pm I don't think that nacho was a bad vig shot. I would have definitely wasted time and votes on nacho at some point.

Did you shoot nacho?

Nope.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:16 pm I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

You’ve said multiple times this game that Tim is your ride or die.

Do you literally die if Tim dies, because damn man- not even my dad would protect me like this

I guess I'm pretty tunnelled. I could be wrong, but nothing I have seen has made me believe so.

I don't think that nacho was a bad vig shot. I would have definitely wasted time and votes on nacho at some point.

I was on Falcon because I did not want Tim to be yeeted. I switched it to Marmot because it looked like things were going that way, then I had to go and do dinner with the family and I'm glad that the falcon thing went through.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:10 pm if daisycloud is mafia then this is the first time she's ever voted for a teammate, i don't see her breaking that streak here, for this

If Daisycloud is Mafia, she is very skilled at appearing towny.

Team us Vulgard, Gavial, and Kyle. They don't know who the 3p is. I can see it all in Vulgard's posts today. Read them with that in mind... who he talks about, how he mentions them, etc. Side mentions with other players only, and focus on the other guy.

Phew, good work.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:01 pm I know I already asked this, but who is the dead townie thst can vote today?

I forget.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 5:46 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine for science

Pretty scummy thing to do, with the scum having some sort of extra voting power.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:45 pm I'm about 90% convinced that mine is the only wagon that isn't on a wolf right now, and it is annoying AF that this town will probably split their votes across two wolves and let the wolves just kill me.

I will consolidate to avoid that outcome. I'll [VOTE: marmot] aubergine at this time.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:17 pm What if we had a separate 2nd wagon of..oh...nacho? Would anyone object to that?

I would not object to a Nacho yeet. I'm leery on the Marmot yeet. It would be nice to think we almost had a wolf in those other times that Marmot had votes but got away, but that's kind of Gambler's Fallacy, isn't it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:41 pm Y’all, if you’re NOT voting Tim, please tell me what parts of him scream town atm? I don’t want to hear comparative statements to falcon being ‘less town’ but concrete gut feeling on why Tim is town

I have just thought him towny all game, and I'll die on that hill. I don't have receipts to convince you. I've agreed with a lot of what he says, and I have had doubts about his detractors. If he's a wolf, he's got a big comfy pocket that I am in.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:05 pm not gonna miss anything until tim apologizes for saying i missed something

I'mma hold you to that.