The Syndicate

Alright I won't vote wind today bc it will be a bigger loss if she is town bc she is solving and leading. We can determine if that's powerwolfing after more flips

And if she's wolf I now think she's more likely tmiing neon than saving her maybe. If she's town I can follow the read for today

So that all combined with letting up on Kate/SVS (though I still don't feel great about SVS) and with falcon still not really doing anything inspiring

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Ok I'm here uhhh might move to falcon tbh but am really skeeved out by how wind keeps making jokes about how shes a wolf

if you want homework read wind's mentions of falcon from today/last night

i think i like the wind vote lol

im not sure if i still feel wind/neon as w/w and both have had towny moments but i could be down with elimming either today

or falcon

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:11 pm Pyxxy vibes. This is like a D1 read because, where was he D1 though so this could change tomorrow

....huh

If I'm sparse for the rest of the day it's because making the most of the first 70+ degree day in Chicago of the year is far more essential to my mental health than arguing with people on the internet. Love and boba to all

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:33 am On a more serious note, what changed your mind on SVS?

I am torn, not completely changed my mind. I think that kate actually rang genuine in her defense when I sat with it for a minute, SVS less so and she could be pocketing kate but I'm giving her space and playing with the possible worlds. And I'm liking the world with you as a wolf during this catchup.

Wind's falcon snippet solidifies my team read there too lol confbias is a hell of a drug

Agenda dripping everywhere like blood from the fangs of a hungry wolf

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:54 pm @Neon who is wolf
I hate scum reading at this point in my life.

If I voted for anyone right now ignoring all other factors it would be Pyxxy. I just kinda feel like they haven't done anything and that's not something I have ever said about Pyxxy. It kinda feels like they are watching town eat each other alive while kickin it in woof chat.

1000% I do think at most there's 1 wolf in kate and svs and it's never both. It's possibly neither. You are town Sean is town Nutella is town Porscha is town Wind is town.

I do not town read Kate or SVS but a lot of that is me feeling lost in the water on them and all my town reads except one want to blast them both into the sun. I don't think if they were W/W they'd be playing this the way that they are I think it's possible one is pocketing the other.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:41 am Pyxxy and svs votes on nutella both suck
Like, first off, nutella is town
Second, the timing of both votes was terrible
But idk if they're partnered because pushing on nutella when the thread has moved away from flipping nutella today seems kinda counterproductive so I'm thinking only one of them is a wolf for it
Would still yeet svs first and then pyxxy if svs flips town
Idk why I'm saying anything at all since yesterday I didn't want to share reads but today I'm just throwing things everywhere

If svs is town which I am seriously considering then this is just a wolf. Probably with neon

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:46 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:21 pm Wind is kind of pinging me here but I'm not sure why because I've pretty much agreed with her every step of the way. I guess it makes me uneasy from her in particular
Probably because it sounds like I'm trying to pocket you
Even I think it sounds like I'm trying to pocket you lol
I think wolves are in pyxxy/svs/Mac/Wilgy/Kate at the moment, maybe you'll find you disagree with one of them and I never talked about what I thought of Wilgy
This read still holds mostly true
I'm less sus of Mac and more sus of the others rn
But if we hypothetically say both svs and Kate are town then something is majorly wrong, one of the other 3 in this list is probably a wolf, possibly 2 of them, and then idk where to find the last wolf or two yet.

Think this is completely wrong as well.

Wind/neon/falcon?

Still catching up but lol this wagon formation

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 pm I can't believe I have to live in a universe where I get to be griefed by Seanzie for no explain and he is totally fine with Kate and svs townreading each other while ignoring my pleas for them to explain lol
Mac when have you ever needed me to explain a read on svs? And when have I ever been wrong? NEVER.

Shes civ. I know her, KNOW her. For 15 fucking years. She is not bad here. She's fighting, she's firey, and uninhibited. She called out nutella with no fear. She's civ.

Then lets vote wind amirite

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:40 pm ngl I thought I had reasons

Yeah this is what i was just trying to explain with some psychology mumbo jumbo lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith
Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.
I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.
Quote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?

what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.
Sorry, I am frustrated and did indeed read past this post. I politely disagree that at this stage in the venture vibe reads from Mac are okay.

Vibe reads are too easy for wolves to hide behind. And if Mac only vibe-read SVS, they could have just said so when I pushed them on it. Instead they told me to tell them what i disagree with.

Ergo, Mac would only TELL ME TO SAY WHAT I DISAGREED WITH if Mac was trying to put up the pretense that Mac actually had reasons. Mac isn't claiming vibe reads here, Mac is claiming reasons, but their ISO doesn't back it up.

He probably assumed it was more clear in his iso that he also jived with the reasons Wind and I had for suspecting SVS later. I do stuff like this all the time too, it's a classic townie retrospective memory/mindset assumption or something. Idk I'm probably not explaining it well but I think it is far more likely to come from a town who is sloppy yet confident than a wolf who is faking a progression.

Yeah this is silly can we get the wolves back in here to out themselves more

I am telling you that it's going to be okay that there are no bananas in the freezer and you keep going "BUT WHERE ARE THE BANANAS I NEEEEED THEM" and I'm like we have ice cream right there buddy maybe it'll make you feel better.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:33 pm notwithstanding being brutally honest about it is about the towniest shit ever... wolves try to apply reasoning where there isn't any. I'm literally so townie I've ascended.
@nutella he is actively trying to pocket you with posts like this.

I mean maybe. That's probably a post he could make as wolf. I'm not interested in shifting much focus there at the moment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 pm Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith
Okay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".

Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.

Please do me this favor.

I'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.

Two interdimensional vibegod shamans versus one mathematics professor

Like sometimes an intuitive read is just that and is hard to explain in any detail beyond "posts bad" and that doesn't make it bad faith it just makes it hard to articulate. This happens to me like EVERY game, I have trouble articulating reads all the time. Like how I caught you in GOC was essentially "posts bad, trust"

Not stating reasons that are up to your standards != not in good faith

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill
Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.
Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland
Nutella, I literally asked Mac why his read was what it was on SVS, and he refused to elaborate, and that is exactly why I looked into his ISO and found that he has said NOTHING about SVS.

I am LITERALLY trying my darndest to work with Mac on SVS, and I will happily work with you on SVS, but right now, I am not the roadblock to me/Mac working together on SVS, Mac is. I'm just pointing out the problem.

If she's a hit why do you care how mac got there before the rest of us? Sometimes instincts are just good but if you see other people's reasons as valid anyway just roll with it and if you think it might have been a bus then investigate that after we get a wolf flip

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm I'm not trying to stonewall u I just don't know how to handle u when you push me ever and nothing I do has ever stopped u from doing so once you get on a tangent so I cbf with it
What is your case on SVS? Why have you been pushing them for the entireity of D2? What was it that made you come in early D2 pushing them?
my case on svs is heh lol roflcopter.

I push them because I have good instincts and I trust myself.

I came in pushing her cuz lol her posts bad

Dude ilysm lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.
I was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.
Also worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.

Because she became exponentially more wolfy this afternoon??? Thats how reads developing works??

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pm and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill
Look at Mac's SVS record. Does that look like Mac trying to sort someone, or does that look like Mac trying to flip someone? Keep in mind that again this is independent of SVS's alignment, ask yourself how MAC actually looks.

Mac quite literally did his signature town move of snapping out of his silly goofing because he could not stop himself from going into solvey mode once he established a few town reads to work with. He got excited about me becoming towny and wolves becoming wolfy. I know because I was there and felt the exact same excitement. We entered the drift.

How about you at least work with the two of us for today and flip SVS, and if after that you still want to question mac knock yourself out but I'm pretty sure he and I are rocketing toward supatownland

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie

1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time

If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.

Yeah this. Get with the times boomer

Sean I feel like you are reading a different thread if you don't see why we all want to murder svs lol

and the part where mac started leading and stuff?

like wtf dude where have you been

you and mac are probably both town just be chill

did sean just like... miss the whole thing where svs pushed me and defended kate for shit reasons and got ridiculed by the whole thread? like it was a whole big thing a couple hours ago?

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

The new sexy dichotomy is SVS/Wind btw if u even care

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:39 pm I dunno I guess after having read back the recent little dealio I'd have to assume that it's at least somewhat plausible that svs and Kate both had a bit of a histrionic reaction to Nutella, myself and windward all transfixing on them somewhat simultaneously. I'm gonna set aside that their reaction feels panicked as alignment indicative and focus on other things.

Ok

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pm Would they really just both mald and rage vote Nutella at the same time?

Nutella is now IC ... I'm sure one of them is mafia. But both? Really?

You think Kate is outed... I think SVS is the scummier one lol.

SVS could be the one with tmi lol. If Kate is town with that post I have no words, but even more so to svs defending it

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:30 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:55 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:47 pm

Let me try that again.

Thanks, son.
Oh cmoooonn ya know I love ya mumzies

It's just yer way of giving a message
Actually I thought I was supposed to be receiving a message. I guess I was wrong.
Can you elaborate on why you're voting me?

You originally said you were just sheeping Nutella, well Nutella moved.
Yea.
This post happened btw. What is this.
I haven't decided where I'm moving to yet Jesus. You seem awfully eager to bring me down to wolf status after you spent a half day basking in the "green check" I supposedly gave you.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Town does not make this post. Ever. I usually shy away from broad generalizations like this but this is the most glaringly outing post I've seen all year.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:01 pm SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway
Dead straight face, she’s town. It’s just kinda icky that as soon as she stopped sheeping you, we’re the problem. I have to go watch succession right now, but yeah, I’ll go down kicking and screaming tomorrow cause I’m town.

Happy happy joy joy

There's no way both of you are town. 0%.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:01 pm SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway
I was SO TOWN a few hours ago that you accepted a green check from me, but now that I clarified that, I'm wolf? Nope, try again.

That is not exactly how the causality works there

SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:30 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:55 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:47 pm

Let me try that again.

Thanks, son.
Oh cmoooonn ya know I love ya mumzies

It's just yer way of giving a message
Actually I thought I was supposed to be receiving a message. I guess I was wrong.
Can you elaborate on why you're voting me?

You originally said you were just sheeping Nutella, well Nutella moved.
Yea.
This post happened btw. What is this.
I haven't decided where I'm moving to yet Jesus. You seem awfully eager to bring me down to wolf status after you spent a half day basking in the "green check" I supposedly gave you.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Lmao ok this makes it easy. Fully mask off

Like I can understand not agreeing that Kate necessarily had tmi, in fact it would be great if she genuinely townread me that much by then lmao but it felt unnatural. I can't really understand suspecting Dennis for it but I guess I have the pov that I'm town and we're not w/w so that is out of the equation.

Well not the same thing exactly because he thought I had given her info and I didn't but thought she had info

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pm I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.
when I lied about Kate sheeping my svs read and they both got all ree about it that was fun u should read back on that
Yeah they could easily be partners. Especially since SVS is going after Dennis and not Kate for the cop snafu when that makes zero sense and the concern that Kate had TMI makes all the sense.
Are you fucking for real? Dennis is the one who made that post!

Everyone, this is silly lolol

Dennis and I thought the same thing about Kate's post. Kate denying it caused me to suspect she had tmi on me instead. I completely cannot understand your perspective here if it's real. Slow down and explain what the deal is with Dennis or why you don't agree with the Kate sus.

Wolf Kate signal boosting to follow me at sod2 hard spews Seanzie town of that wasn't obvious lol.

[VOTE: kate] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pm I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.
when I lied about Kate sheeping my svs read and they both got all ree about it that was fun u should read back on that

Yeah they could easily be partners. Especially since SVS is going after Dennis and not Kate for the cop snafu when that makes zero sense and the concern that Kate had TMI makes all the sense.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pm I think pyxxy showed a lil town mindset in their recent spree tbqh

Yes!

I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:39 pmWindy town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:39 pm Wilgy town
Falcon maf
Yes
cuz of this

I actually just think wilgy is town tbh

Lol

Oh i didn't realize the slashes were unpairs just thought they were tiers. I agree Sean/Kate aren't paired but why not falcon/wilgy?

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:55 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:47 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:45 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:28 am

hiiiiiii

Sooo (ok screw it I'm dropping the gimmick for this post sorry)

I'm 95% sure nutella gave Kate some sort of green check on nutella

Kate's post being like "does anyone else think we should trust nutella?" Is the sort of question she asks when she's trying to imply something. A stupid question with no explanation. Idk how to explain it better than, trust me, she is my mother

AND nutella being like "it is CLEARLY something else" is them trying to get the point across that it was a green check

Either they are t/t, Kate is w and doesn't want to be outed to nutella, or they are w/w in my eyes and I think Kate is town

:pppp blehh
Thanks, son.
Let me try that again.

Thanks, son.
Oh cmoooonn ya know I love ya mumzies

It's just yer way of giving a message
Actually I thought I was supposed to be receiving a message. I guess I was wrong.
Can you elaborate on why you're voting me?

You originally said you were just sheeping Nutella, well Nutella moved.
Yea.

This post happened btw. What is this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:28 pm seanzie/Kate
svs
falcon/wilgy

Yeah p much

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