The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:57 pm Yeah. Nova pretty much always would have won here. Damn. I felt good with my speed hero shot, but Nova was the deepest of deep cat.
That was a great shot, I almost blocked you that night when brainstorming targets in the chat. Figured if there is anyone that'd target Speed it'd be you. Which is why I immediately figured you were the vig afterwards and started blocking you to send you on Drago/Fayt lol.

Yeah, and you sure got me there lol.

Yeah. Nova pretty much always would have won here. Damn. I felt good with my speed hero shot, but Nova was the deepest of deep cat.

Tell us already jfc

Well that sucks but also I would have felt really bad for tanking the game if it was fayt lol.

I mean a lot of those points are already things I thought/said about drago but nobody cared until you said them

Tell me you would have made that case on drago even if you hadn't decided to civ clear me though bc I feel real bad about my dumb loose mouth having affected the game unfairly.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:49 pm @novaselinenever @Fayt @Michelle let's end this man's entire career

I been sayin' lol

I don't think I'm breaking any rules. If I have then I sincerely apologize to ddl and accept a modkill. My cases are based on public information.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.
Only by you.
Okay. So?
The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.
I mean obviously not everybody made some clear overt statement that they understood the plan. That would be silly. But it was there.
I do not think that it is reasonable to assume that the vigilante, or the mafia, or anyone would have known of, and in addition to that, automatically agreed with, a plan to shoot Fayt.

Firstly, I didn't know if it.

Secondly, what if Fayt is the vig?

Thirdly, what if the vig thought Fayt was a civ?

The point is this entire line of thinking Fayt is suspicious because they are alive is irrational. Fayt is alive specifically BECAUSE she is suspicious imo.

To be honest those ideas didn't occur to me. I wonder why.

Think about it and then reread the posts from drago I quoted about the plan.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm Nutella, I just checked. You referred to them as "the vig" all game. Michelle referred to them as he. It's a total slip.

No.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.
Only by you.
Okay. So?
The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.

I mean obviously not everybody made some clear overt statement that they understood the plan. That would be silly. But it was there.

Because it's not. Jesus. Think about this for a few seconds. Read my posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.
Only by you.

Okay. So?

No, that's not a slip. Come on.

Mac we're usually on similar wavelengths why does it feel like I'm talking to a brick wall now. You're not getting it.

I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 pm Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

Also lol why is this even a question. Mafia always want to prevent vig kills even if they are on civs because that narrows the numbers and narrows the suspect pool.

I am torn pretty much 50/50 here. I do think it obviously makes sense that Fayt would have done it and is now trying to play suck-up to me in humoring my theory and trying to direct it off of her by buying into it. I also think it makes sense that Drago wanted to prolong the game by eliminating a vig kill and implicating Fayt.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.

Plan is his idea.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.
@nutella what do you think about this?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:27 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.
@nutella what do you think about this?
Fine with it, also fine with the other way around.
Bet, vote for Fayt.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:38 pm Lynch Fayt. Vig Jay if Fayt town. Come on guys.

Continuing to draw attention to make sure it is seen and agreed up on as consensus.

And yeah lynching fayt may be the logical choice. I just feel like Drago could have done that but maybe I'm overthinking it and falling for fayt's innocence mask.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 pm Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

I know I've not been paying super close attention but we've lynched three people since this revelation and none have been Fayt. So surely I am missing some reason as to why?

Man I've been over this several times already. To buy himself another day, keep a likely mislynch target around.

... Yeah. He was overt in orchestrating the vig plan bc he knew he could prevent it and keep fayt around

[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

Okay now I'm back to thinking it's Drago.

What whole thing about michelle?

Also they literally had a role cop in speed's role lol. That could also explain it.

And yeah I think they guessed. They did at least have the speed kill to go off of.

Doctor died a while ago

I can't explain the kill choices, but the vig isn't much of a threat to them if they have a perpetual repeatable roleblock.

Put it together Sherlock.

Double targeting is allowed.

The vig is still alive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:09 pm See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?
I missed this whole thing. Eli5.

The consensus plan was for the vig to kill fayt after Jay's flip (or to vig whichever if them wasn't lynched if the game didn't end). There was no vig kill. The cat has a block.

See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.
Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?

To try to get in my good graces? Idk. Maybe it is weird that she said that.

Convince me on Michelle?

I mean plus all the other stuff lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.
Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?
Also what data?

The fact that she didn't die on night three.

Mac you have gone silent.

I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

we all wish we could prove it but only mac gets that privilege

oh nvm i gotcha

but you saying that doesn't make me feel better about you lol

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:38 pm When I get back on my pc, I'll take a look but off of speedchuck's death/flip, that was my initial thought.

not sure what you mean by this?

Thought we were doing gth?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.
Except for the parts where I suspected you, which you mostly just didn't address. Which is not in your town meta. Your town meta is usually to exhibit some frustration when people are misreading you, not remain calm and pragmatic, which is literally your scum meta lol.

I tend to ignore a small amount of suspicion. It's if it starts to look like I might actually be in the running that I get really frustrated. I'm happy to have an nk-survivability-optimized amount of scrutiny.

But really take another look at the posts about speed and rej you quoted. Would I ever treat teammates like that lol. No. Those are my honest progressions.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm So if that's the case is anyone aside from me not on the table?

Not really. Nova would be closest but I definitely even have concerns about him, like you said it's like he's too clean.

I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:36 pm Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.
Do you still feel this way towards Drago and Michelle because since they're both alive it now reads like TMI.

I don't, lol. Those were strong tone reads at the time but I have been forced to reconsider and drago's behavior (see my above post) in recent phases has prompted a 180 on him and michelle is certainly on the table.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:13 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?
I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.
See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.
I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.
So my literal only concern towards you is that you have been pretty much 100% buddying me the entire game. What gives?

The mindmelds bro. Basically since champs we are attached at the hip as civilians tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:08 pm Okay so I really like that I can see genuine thought behind Fayt's posts. I know Jay was pretty adamant it was her but he's also a fart face so who cares. Nutella seems kinda gamesolvey but I can never clear her because her range is so massive. Likewise Nova. If we lynch wrong today well, it's probably because it's one of them.

If someone can provide a bit of an objective cliffnotes version of why Dragomir is bad that'd be good because he tone reads town to me. If there is something empirical that says otherwise then I'd acquiesce this weak ass read though.

I'll see if an ISO of Michelle leaves me feeling anything about her.

Well for me his behavior in the Jay lynch just felt so calculated in a weird way and especially note that he was really adamant about the vig plan and then there was no vig kill and the cat has a block. Like of course that could have been fayt too but drago just seemed so keen on it and the way he changed his mind from lynch fayt to lynch jay just really seems to me like he was trying to keep fayt around as a buffer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?
I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.
See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.

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