The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:02 pm Epi, you killed me Night 1!

This is hilarious because if I had survived I would have pushed hard for a long con kill and Epi went for it anyways

i think the better part was long con had close to nothing posted and he still got killed

That's why I made that decision. I figured LC was busy, and killing him would relieve him his obligations here.

I really appreciated it! Such a relief, it really was.

Did you like my half-assed pretension of a role claim?

I couldn't tell you anything about this theme, so I didn't catch it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:55 am Day 1 was unfortunate for mafia. By losing TSP, they lost half their utility.

Night 1: Dragomir got some boring options randomly, so he chose to give baton to Morgana. This did nothing. It probably should have notified Epignosis, but I didn't think that would matter in a game without claims. I was wrong.
Rej chose to insanify/voteblock nutella. That was fun.

Day 2: Rej was lynched. He still could have won if mafia had killed Dragomir, but Drago survived.

Night 2: On a 3/13 chance, Drago happened to get the option to anon neighbor someone for a day. Then he happened to pick the ONLY person he'd targeted (by their fake role name, so it was complete coincidence), who happened to be mafia. If any of those things weren't perfect, this would not have happened.
The two talked in QT about claims. I could have outlawed that in the neighbor chat. Another decision of mine that could have prevented the hardclaim. I did not.
Obviously once Epi claimed Morgana, the baton pass didn't line up. Drago asked me if the baton pass could fail. I told him it could fail in a coupole different ways and it would not notify anyone if it did.
He bluffed in the chat anyway that he knew for sure why it had failed, which was a safe bet, to be sure.
Epi conceded.

I did not see this going this way.

Good game, all! Thanks for playing.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:33 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Uh wait what? This is illegal tho??

How? I never claimed. Didn't even hint at anything.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:58 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

To be clear, I have never subbed out. When I sign up, I play.

This situation gave me the opportunity to snake my way to victory except that you claimed I was bad in a way that I was not coming back from. No need to waste anyone's time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?

I am doing the honorable thing and acknowledging when I am beat. There's no "throwing" involved.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:33 pm He's right. I'm bowing out. I'm not wasting anymore of my time.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:34 pm I am sorry everyone for not being able to put forth a meaningful challenge, but I have no time.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:30 pm I don’t think Nutella shoots Jay here right?

I certainly wouldn’t either.

Mac wants to lynch Nutella and Jack. Iirc Drago says the same.

Jay wanted to lynch Epi.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:36 pm Did you not notice Jay decide I was mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:26 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:26 am Ugh I still have a feeling it's Jay though. I don't think it's ever Mac or creature and prooobably not sprit; Drago and jack I could argue for but don't feel it. My preferences are epi and jay.

Why not Mac?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:51 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:47 pm OKAY

sorry, I got fucked over somehow and couldn’t reply or PM anyone

I’m any case I switch my vote to rej because it was like 2 minutes left and it was either break the tie or not

Thanks I hate it.

you can thank me all later

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:38 pm Oh fuck I'm late

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:02 pm Well at least there's beautiful symmetry in the tally.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:05 am If I flip Civ

Also check on the Epi, nutella and Mac triangle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:27 pm To be honest I have found most of your Rej engagements since this day began to be pretty awkward.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:58 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:13 am I think with respect to the potential distancing vote from Tony, there's a clear distinction:

When Tony voted for me, he literally called it a "challenge". He broadcasted that vote to the universe.

When Tony voted for Epignosis, he bailed on it immediately without even mentioning that it had existed.

He bailed on your vote really quick too.

I think anything from Tony as of him voting you is pretty wifom-y.

His vote for me and subsequent bail were absolutely WIFOM. He did them in broad daylight and told everyone he did them.

He told nobody about his Epi vote. I wouldn't even know it happened if Mac hadn't caught it.

Was mac the only one that caught that? For whatever reason I can’t remember a screenshot or something to prove his claim.

And lord knows I won’t be looking through his iso right now

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:36 am

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:56 pm Rej knows damn well that I am town. Scum reading me this game does not add up with a town Rej.

No I don't know when I feel you go into a different or miscalculated direction.
Then yeah how about the idea of the wolf being in towncore? And you are part of the towncore.
So who could be the wolf? Between JJJ, Tony, Nutella, Mac for example.

Or who is supposed to be "towncore". I feel my and Creature activity is not enough to be considered towncore. Epignosis is to shady and way on his own to be counted as towncore.

I feel Creature is not rly profitting from the Long Con kill because of several reasons. It is way easier to kill towncore from his position and then throw shades at other towncore to generate a mislynch. Atleast it is what I would do if I were a wolf.

Outside of the towncore/wolf idea I feel that Epignosis is also not clear. So I get back to the standpoint I had earlier, of me trusting literally noone right now. And Creature can prove himself with no conditions if he is town.

Sure a wolf can be a deepwolf right now but you have no evidence that it's me. You can trust no one, I don't care but just this tinfoil does not warrant a scum read on me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:16 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:26 pm Well that’s a curated list feels like
Creature town, Rej slight town, Drago more scum than Jack or Epi, Nutella scummish Mac probably town no reads on anybody else

I keep returning to this pseudo-salad thing. Tony seemed to include four mafia reads in this list: Drago, Jack, Epignosis, and nutella. That's ambiguous though, because Tony worded the highlighted portion as a comparison.

Drago more scum than Jack or Epi --> Jack and Epi less scum than Drago.

One is forced to deduce that, and then infer that Jack and Epi are suspects to some vague extent. It's not actually stated. One could also deduce from this "Jack and Epi are town reads" and technically it's not incorrect.

Now, consider Tony's early-game connection between Dragomir and Jack:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:50 pm What differentiates Jack and Drago for you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:56 pm Both of them had similar entrances with the same set of views (steaming a scum read of you mostly). I would probably have tiered them about the same

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:09 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:56 pm Both of them had similar entrances with the same set of views (steaming a scum read of you mostly). I would probably have tiered them about the same

Where does that tier reside on the civilian-mafia spectrum?

Slight orange- moderate lean scum.

So with this in mind, it makes some sense that Tony would provide this read: "Dragomir more scum than Jack" --> He's taking a stance on his own random dichotomy.

So what is Epignosis doing in that nugget?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:32 am Also possible they just thought LC was a power role.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:41 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:12 pm I've witnessed mafia do stupid shit so many times that it fails to surprise me anymore.

Like what Rej is trying to pull off against me?

I think his line of thinking is reasonable. I'm gonna need you to take it seriously please.

Who's Rej?

This is irking me, because I think a single article of punctuation has changed the entire image of your post.

Did you mean this:

Who's, Rej?

(As in: "Who's line of thinking is reasonable? Rej's?")

or

Who's Rej?

(As in: "Who is Rej?)

Yes, I meant it with the comma lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:25 am Nutella continues to be a non-presence btw.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:43 pm Damn. Long Con died. I had him 100% pegged as a civilian, and look at how right I was.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:32 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 am So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

If Jay killed LC after posting this, that's really funny and really good wine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:32 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 am So I was thinking over the Mafia game while enjoying a nice shower as I am often wont to do, and I found myself stuck in a particular place:

Even within my POE, I have seen glimmers of things that look like civilians (Epignosis, Creature, and sprityo). I cannot pretend that lynching them would be something that gives me immense confidence, particularly with busser tinfoil ever-present. However, there's a direction that will all tend to point, when everyone seems like they can be fine.

Long Con.

What about him?

He's the only player remaining for whom I can identify nothing of any potentially civilian orientation. There's no reason it can't just be him.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:45 am Is authentic a new buzzword?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:11 am I worded that wrong, in my rush to use big words

Who thinks they are town, and if so why? (Especially Nutella who has a vested interest in creature for some odd reason that I can’t recall seeing earlier)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:58 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:51 am Like, if the presence of a popular misguided suspicion in the thread that never comes to fruition as a lynch spells doom for town, then town would never win games. You're just being all self-important about it.

I'm being self-aware about it. You might find it "arrogant", but suspicions of me tend to devour more threadspace than suspicions of other people. It's not because "I'm awesome" or "I'm the best player" or whatever other shit you're assuming is in my head -- it's because I have 400 posts and my footprints are on every page.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:54 am I will literally lynch myself on Day 2 if y'all can't get over this shit. It's a rare day when things get this dire, but I genuinely don't see how the civilians can win this game if they cannot get me out of their heads. I absolutely hate to be in this position in a game with what figures to be very few mislynches available, but I am seriously at a loss. If I can't get through to anyone no matter how hard I try, then my presence here is a problem.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:42 am I was briefly pacified by the interaction analysis work but obviously that's obligatory for him anyway and you are right that he didn't get much out of it other than the Epi case, which I liked but am feeling better about Epi since his posts tonight. So..... yeah.

I think everyone is a civilian except for four people on the basis of those analyses. I feel pretty damned good about that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:17 am Out of my POE pool (Creature, Epignosis, Long Con, and sprityo), who looks the most authentic at face value?

sprityo > Epignosis > [Long Con exists] > Creature

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:15 am I will grant that the whole "I thought I said why I read Tony as a civilian" thing would be sloppy though. Epi would have dun goofed in such a scenario. I don't think it's a ridiculous notion, but it is something that gives me pause.

Creature is probably my top suspect now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:00 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:03 am Creature Jack Mac are probably my “town core” so there’s some overlap on the lists at least

One of these things is not like the others.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:08 pm Night 1 after a day 1 Mafia lynch. Super town Jay is in hot takes mode.

It feels to me like you are currently trying to open up strings of wrong minded case making everywhere. Pushing Dragomir towards me, opening up suspicion lines towards Epignosis, humouring the bussing case. You are not operating with the narrow minded focus towards tried and true scum huntign methodology. It also feels like your interaction analysis was tokenistic because it really proved nothing.

I also do not sense the "I better get my shit in" Jay that is ever present on night 1 after a Mafia death.

So you're either Mafia or you are using this game to experiment with your meta.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:59 pm I hate that post by Jay if that wasn't clear. It's wolfy as fuck.

This is just as basic and lame as the thing you're whining about.

You don't even know why I think it's wolfy so how can you say that?

To be clear, it's wolfy because it serves wolf purposes.

1. Steels the resolve of another person that their wrong minded doubt towards me is sound. The types of doubts Dragomir has towards me (the tinfoil variety) are tunnel making doubts. Turning Dragomir against me right now is perfect for the mafia. This was made worse by the fact that you simultaneously declared that you doubt that very doubt resolving you of the lashback of being a proponent of said doubt.
2. Makes them feel like you are a friend.

Both of these things are wolf moves. Neither of them are civ moves.

Now tell me again that it's basic and lame.

I know exactly why you think it's "wolfy". And it's fucking basic. I mean no shit. "Now Dragomir is going to think he's right her dee der". It's the night phase, and you're not getting lynched in this Mafia game because of that.

Get a grip, nerd.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:42 pm Also, Epi as a teammate of Tony makes further sense when recalling that awkward moment Mac caught -- Tony switched his vote off of me (after that goofy "I'll take that challenge" thing) to Rej and announced that. However, before voting Rej he had momentarily voted Epi and not announced it. I don't struggle to believe Tony was deciding between distance and counterwagon here, and opted in the end for counterwagon. I'll see if my Rej analysis gives me any reason to read that another way.