The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:06 pm [VOTE: charliepignoseman] aubergine
Can you elaborate?

He hasn't made a single civilian-looking post the entire game. He pushed the Eloh lynch after not much precedent for suspecting her before then. He's trying to paint Quin in a bad light. And PoE. He's bad.

Sorry but whatever you and Lap are trying to do with making Quin look bad it's not gonna work on me, Quin is pretty much lock civilian in my eyes. You on the other hand....

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 11:06 pm [VOTE: charliepignoseman] aubergine

mafia is in the eye of the beholder

[VOTE: charliepignoseman] aubergine

Dang, RIP MP.

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 10:15 pm @Quin Why did you kill mp

lol what I posted my 4-person poe pool but G-man edited it out and couldn't recover it I guess. what I said was like:

In that light, my 4-person POE is
Charlie Blacgnosis
JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot
and... maybe Dyslexicon? shit man idk

but probably betting on epi and marmot

Well shit.

Haha everyone voting for eloh is a mod and everyone voting for marmot is a green normie

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 8:09 pm I'm voting to save myself because I am civ. I rarely see marmot as bad, but there is more of a chance that he is bad because I am civ.

Lol

I had a dream that this game also had an unlynchable civ to throw off the scent lmao

Feeling Eloh more than Marmot at the moment. Could be Marmot and Epi but I'm not seeing it. In a perfect world it's Eloh and Marmot.

[VOTE: elohcin] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 3:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:

Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.
can you explain this a bit further? I've felt kind of lost re: the whole "if I'm gladys campbell" thing, I don't really get why people have been saying that and what exactly it means. like, is it supposed to be a role claim? what is the motive for someone who is not gladys to say that idgi

i guess it's a way of saying you trust someone very highly, and also i guess multiple people saying it provide cover for the real gladys but just like... why and how did this start how did it become a thing?!? was this a thing in another game?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 3:55 am Like I said earlier I'm kind of in paranoid-tinfoily mode and just won't feel right until I know his alignment for sure, but I will probably end up on a more reasonable candidate (eloh or marmot) by eod.

......Ugh but what if that's exactly what he wants to happen we'll just lynch the easy targets and he skates on by

Once I've put on the tinfoil it's hard to take off, you know?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:31 am A separate concern about Dizzy:

Two Gladys Campbell claims that to me look too convenient. Floyd on N1 when that slot was vacant, and some unnamed non-dentist on N2. A mafioso who is familiar with power role cover will want to play along, and I am concerned Dizzy may be that person.

can you explain this a bit further? I've felt kind of lost re: the whole "if I'm gladys campbell" thing, I don't really get why people have been saying that and what exactly it means. like, is it supposed to be a role claim? what is the motive for someone who is not gladys to say that idgi

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 2:24 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:36 pm I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.
This for example.

You’ve expressed unease about me given the way I play. That’s fine. Considering that though, I struggle to understand why my legacy posts, which were inspirational in nature and did not contain actual reads, would be sufficient to alleviate the tinfoil you otherwise tend to project about me. Within that framework this seems a tenuous defense of me.
Hmm ok
I guess just because it seems like, knowing you, you’ve said before that scum need to just be able to survive the noose right no matter what that’s their most important goal so I think with that in mind if you were scum you would be actively trying to do that in a different way like saying oh lynch this person instead here’s a big fucking case you know. Instead of being like ... yall if my ass gets murdered here are your instrucfions before leaving earth. I bet that doesnt make sense but thats the thinking. I mean you can do WIFOM but idk get that shit outta here

actually a fair point. I think Jay's response to MP's and my suspicion/intent to lynch him makes him look more town atm, I'm just... very afraid that he could easily fake that classic jay supatown behavior. Like I said earlier I'm kind of in paranoid-tinfoily mode and just won't feel right until I know his alignment for sure, but I will probably end up on a more reasonable candidate (eloh or marmot) by eod.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 7:54 pm I hate bussing my teammates and have never done it on Day 1 in my Mafia career. It “can” work, but on balance it’s a net negative. I don’t engage in foolery and tricks when there is no need. I lynch civilians and I win.

I cannot hunt without an opportunity to comb ISOs and discuss topics live. Ideally I’ll have my chance later, but if I do end up lynched I have a fucking demand.

If you’re a civilian and you lynched me, especially if your name is M Plus 7, you will follow these instructions:

1. You will not wallow in misery and frustration.
2. You will not lament your mistake.
3. You will not allow yourself to give anything away to the mafia team.
4. You will transform your bad feelings about murdering me into increased intensity and will to win.
5. You will hunt without mercy, and without regard for having been wrong about me.
6. You will lynch those who give you no inspiration.
7. You will not lynch those who do unless you have truly uncovered a sound and plausible case.
8. You will do this in my memory, for you will have ripped my control over ending my losing streak from my grasp and shouldered it yourself.
9. You will not let me down.
This is winner right here.

ok just go ahead and feed jay's ego why don't you

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 10:01 am I think I said I trusted MP in the beginning, but have since changed my mind.
Teammates.

Nah MP's town dude, if Eloh's bad it's not because of this

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:24 pm @Dyslexicon lapluie was scum with me in Fire Emblem if that helps
How do you feel about her behavior here having been her scummate in that game?

Mostly good but not particularly confident

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] lapluie was scum with me in Fire Emblem if that helps

Quin wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 8:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:10 pm If I’m a bunny, nutella is my scummate.
i'll be honest i haven't got a trucking clue what this expression means even after reading it 73 times

Me neither lol

lol I wish

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:47 pm That's what I'm starting to turn around on Marmot again and think that he's genuine. He's being forthcoming with everything, and there's no reason for him as a mafia member to put so much attention himself with a late sloppy Choutas bus vote.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:50 pm I'll try to illustrate what bothers me about Jay here in a bit. Most of his recent scum hunting is characterized by low-hanging fruit, WIFOM, etc. that town Jay would only give little consideration, or at least would realize the other point of view. The difference between town Jay and scum Jay is the agenda. Town Jay, despite speaking with confidence, is never really sure of anything; he's always trying to pressure and investigate from as many angles as possible. Scum Jay is trying to appear that way but really he's pushing an agenda. I really hate that Jay's actively engaging in WIFOM and pushing Marmot as a candidate based on such weak shit.

I'll ISO him when I'm less distracted to try to highlight what I mean.

well put.

Though I have also been lucky sometimes lynching baddies as a civ I guess

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:36 pm Look, I shouldn't be so transparent about this, but it seems no one ever believes it anyway because WIFOM, so let's make it clear:

If I'm successfully lynching bad guys, especially early, it probably means I bussed them.

If I'm mislynching townies, especially early, it probably means I'm town.

Yeah, I think this goes for me too lol

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:30 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 5:20 pm
Sorry, I still don't understand. What "treatment" are you referring to?
Nothing specific, just how I treated Choutas in general. Would you treat a teammate like that? I wouldn't.
I asked for clarification and you just used the same words??? What do you mean by how you "treated" him?
I really don't understand what you're asking me, I'm sorry. Do you want a specific quote or something?
Meh, I won't pursue this anymore since I think you're town anyway and it doesn't seem worth the effort. I was just a little perplexed since it seemed to me that the "treatment" you were referring to was how you acted nonchalant about his lynch and eventually voted for him, when you also said at one point that you like to bus teammates as mafia. I just couldn't quite put together what you meant in a way that didn't seem like a contradiction.
I'm sorry, what I'm saying makes total sense to me, but that's probably only because I know my alignment and I understand the distinction between how I play when town and mafia, something I'm surprised more of you haven't picked up on.

I love bussing teammates when bad. I would have bussed Choutas the way Jay did if I was his teammate. Trust me.

OK, I think I understand enough since I definitely relate to that as well. I've been completely enamored with bussing ever since it carried me to victory in Mass Effect. I get now what your distinction here is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:30 pm It is impossible for me to give more right now. I am out of state with family.

I’m a moronic lynch. I don’t slaughter my teammate on Day 1, I don’t kill a guy in everyone’s POE, and I don’t kill the guy who doesn’t know who Gladys Campbell is.

There’s shit all else I can tell you right now, from my phone, as I stampede through San Francisco on limited charge.

ok cool very convincing, mr. "i will do whatever it takes for my team to win"

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 6:21 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 5:20 pm
Sorry, I still don't understand. What "treatment" are you referring to?
Nothing specific, just how I treated Choutas in general. Would you treat a teammate like that? I wouldn't.
I asked for clarification and you just used the same words??? What do you mean by how you "treated" him?
I really don't understand what you're asking me, I'm sorry. Do you want a specific quote or something?

Meh, I won't pursue this anymore since I think you're town anyway and it doesn't seem worth the effort. I was just a little perplexed since it seemed to me that the "treatment" you were referring to was how you acted nonchalant about his lynch and eventually voted for him, when you also said at one point that you like to bus teammates as mafia. I just couldn't quite put together what you meant in a way that didn't seem like a contradiction.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 9:27 am [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

For the moment the loudest things in the thread to me are Choutas's "Mac is right into the role" and Marmot's "I got a mafia role card".

I'm still doing travel things for a few days. I may be able to provide more thorough input later tonight, but I cannot make promises.
Eh? How? You're saying there's nothing that's been said by anyone that's more important than that?

Weak.

How am I the only one seeing this? 95% certain Jay is bad.

mm yeah I can see it

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:37 pm Why is everyone giving Jay a pass? He's on fucking autopilot.

If anything, he looks bad AF. Jay will bus his teammates without remorse if he thinks it's the best way to get to victory.

I want to lynch Jay.

Sure why not

[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 5:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 5:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:00 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:26 pm
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
I don’t think you treated choutas terribly, and I don’t think that’s the gist of what nutella is suggesting either. I think you left yourself outs for sure, after only lightly prodding choutas beforehand
Yeah, actually MP what did you mean by this?? Especially considering you said this earlier:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 am

Yeah, speaking in the general, I would too. Historically I've defended, bussed, and spoken almost nothing or nothing of lynched mafia teammates in the past, but my inclination is always to bus them. If I do anything other than that, it's because I have to convince my gut that it's a better option. To me, bussing is less risky than defending, all else being equal, but you're right that it completely defends on the circumstances of the bus, because players sloppily bus each other all the time to no avail. It happens to anyone willing to take the risks of bussing eventually.

See recent response.
Sorry, I still don't understand. What "treatment" are you referring to?
Nothing specific, just how I treated Choutas in general. Would you treat a teammate like that? I wouldn't.

I asked for clarification and you just used the same words???

What do you mean by how you "treated" him?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:31 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:27 pm Still all in on dizzy being the big bad.
I missed your explanation. Can you sum it up, or am I going digging later?
He shit on my nova night kill analysis.

You never explained why you thought that looked suspicious. Seemed like a no u. Can you elaborate on why Dizzy's reaction to your analysis made them look bad?

rip kyle

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:27 pm Quin exists

Mmm not sure if I agree there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:25 pm nutella good
Scotty good
MP good
Dizzy good
Kyle good
lapluie good

Colin tinfoil

Marmot no
Epignosis no
Elohcin no

Solid. Much agreement here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:55 pm Jay's quietness this night has me tinfoiling him as bad. Where you at my uncuddly bear dude?

I think dunya mentioned in the other game that he's busy/ out of town or something today

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 4:11 pm @nutella you said you can't decide on your read of me, but I'm listed as medium-strong scum in your rainbow. Why?

Your choutas interaction looked gth bad, your participation/style is abnormal, couple other factors I think but I can see you either way.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:37 pm Tinfoil GTH: Jay, Marmot, and Colin are bad.

Aren't there only two left?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:00 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:26 pm
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
I don’t think you treated choutas terribly, and I don’t think that’s the gist of what nutella is suggesting either. I think you left yourself outs for sure, after only lightly prodding choutas beforehand
Yeah, actually MP what did you mean by this?? Especially considering you said this earlier:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 am

Yeah, speaking in the general, I would too. Historically I've defended, bussed, and spoken almost nothing or nothing of lynched mafia teammates in the past, but my inclination is always to bus them. If I do anything other than that, it's because I have to convince my gut that it's a better option. To me, bussing is less risky than defending, all else being equal, but you're right that it completely defends on the circumstances of the bus, because players sloppily bus each other all the time to no avail. It happens to anyone willing to take the risks of bussing eventually.

See recent response.

Sorry, I still don't understand. What "treatment" are you referring to?

Ugh pretty much none of the choutas interactions are conclusive either way. I'll GTH it.

These are GTH reads almost solely based on the choutas interactions:
Colin: town
Dys: town
Eloh: bad
Epi: bad
Jay: town
Kyle: town
Lap: town
MP: bad
Marmot: bad
Quin: town
Scotty: town

Several of the town ones are still plausible though. Ugh too many possibilities when there are really only 2 teammates.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:23 am Nutella, what about lap gives you such a strong townread?

She looks like the town lap I have seen in other games. I'm never entirely sure with her though and might also be able to draw comparisons to her bad game if I reread.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 11:26 pm
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
I don’t think you treated choutas terribly, and I don’t think that’s the gist of what nutella is suggesting either. I think you left yourself outs for sure, after only lightly prodding choutas beforehand

Yeah, actually MP what did you mean by this?? Especially considering you said this earlier:

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 am

Yeah, speaking in the general, I would too. Historically I've defended, bussed, and spoken almost nothing or nothing of lynched mafia teammates in the past, but my inclination is always to bus them. If I do anything other than that, it's because I have to convince my gut that it's a better option. To me, bussing is less risky than defending, all else being equal, but you're right that it completely defends on the circumstances of the bus, because players sloppily bus each other all the time to no avail. It happens to anyone willing to take the risks of bussing eventually.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am Nut, out of curiousity - how did you read Wolbre?

I was kind of torn. His hyper-defensiveness looked bad, but having not really played with him before (outside of before he died n1 in upick), I wondered if it was genuine/town. Then he actually did some legit hunting work which looked a lot better. I was hoping he would flip bad, mostly because I thought the Quin lynch was a bad idea so I was hoping for a productive alternative, but I wasn't too surprised at the flip. And honestly that whole EOD has me rethinking my Quin read.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?

Her flip flop on Jay on day 1, the way she said she would have voted for choutas, saying "my heart's not in it", those are the main things that stick out. But honestly looking at her iso again I could see townies Eloh. I think I often read her backwards so idk

I'm feeling the same kind of paranoia I felt in Fiddler where I want to tinfoil those who were initially my top civ reads. Like actually I could flip my whole rainbow upside-down. I think I need to re-read the choutas interaction analyses to get some better direction on who to look at.

Town it is!

fresh artisanal wood-fired rainbow comin in hot (G hasn't even sent me my role yet lmao so these are ultra genuine)

JaggedJimmyJay
Dyslexicon
Quin
lapluie
Kylemii
ColinIsCool
Charlie Blacknosis
Scotty
Marmot
M Plus 7
Elohcin

These are super weak though all around I've changed my mind multiple times on most people while reading the thread. For example when I read most of day 1 I was 100% civ on MP, but he has some bad looks around how the Choutas lynch eventually went down. Can't really decide how I feel about Marmot either.

Now just to find out my alignment.

hi guys

I've been reading this thread on and off all day just for fun, and I'm fully caught up now!! So [mention]G-Man[/mention], put me in coach, I'm ready to play today! look at me, I can-- oh, wait, center field is taken.

omg this is a trip

[mention]G-Man[/mention] if you end up needing a replacement I might be crazy enough to join this

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 11:20 pm My favorite rabbit is Blackberry from Watership Down

this is the correct answer

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