The Syndicate

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:34 pm i find it odd that nutella is "giving sabi space"

kinda ew since they are the highest poater but like okay?

I woke up wanting to wagon them, but saw enough to step back/felt like they believed the dz push

@Cape90 can you answer manny where you got his wolf meta from

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:33 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:31 pm Quick time read: Manny feels different to when he is scumming, feels more willing to shade others and jump on people tbh. And I don't disagree that Creature has been suspicious, going there is a bit iffy for me given the claim where Creature said that he's resolving for day 2 or whatever
Did you see what Wind said about a previous game where creature claimed to get out of a chop and was scum? I don't really want that to sway us when he has nothing else going for him

I haven't seen manny as wolf before so good to know
i think its entirely possible he's doing this but don't feel particularly inclined to risk it given setup. If he isn't lock clear we just kill him tomorrow, no excuses

Yeah sure

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: DeeZees] aubergine

him not townreading me is a scumtell btw

??

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:31 pmwhat was that
?

The chelsea quas thing

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:31 pm Quick time read: Manny feels different to when he is scumming, feels more willing to shade others and jump on people tbh. And I don't disagree that Creature has been suspicious, going there is a bit iffy for me given the claim where Creature said that he's resolving for day 2 or whatever

Did you see what Wind said about a previous game where creature claimed to get out of a chop and was scum? I don't really want that to sway us when he has nothing else going for him

I haven't seen manny as wolf before so good to know

what was that

[VOTE: guillo] aubergine

kicking the hornets nest

Honestly this is dumb but slight hesitation on guillo for maybe believing he caught slips or w/e but that's kind of what he always does and I think he fakes it as mafia anyway

Like other than a couple pushes I rolled my eyes at he hasn't really dug his teeth in the way I expect town guillo to

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:26 pm Sundays are awful for me so idk how to not make myself go over here

I fucking have this curse in Syndicate where I keep getting misvoted day 1

I have said I'm likely moving back to creature fwiw

But now considering Guillo

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:25 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm - Townreadsing #527 seems weird as do the reasons "I feel like mafia wouldn't townread" kinda seems whack. Guessing how mafia wouldn't make reads seems really assumptive to me, and, I dont find cape to be that assumptive normally
It's the fact Chelsea says "oh I am townreading x player for *insert reason I don't find good but I am gonna wagon them anyways lol" it's like you didn't read the message I said. I assumed that because I wouldn't assume mafia wouldn't be so upfront about waqgoning someone they townread.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm Feels like is making excuses to not wolf read Rask
Honestly the only one I have is Rask prodding me to answer something, but that has been diminishing since I feel like they might have been avoiding the thread based on their own words

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm Then after that they started getting pressured more and their solving becomes a bit harder to follow as everyone piles in to get him to defend some of his weirder points
When has my solving ever got convoluted? Wow that never happens. I was literally called out by iaafr for this in a chat

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm So conclusion:
- I like Capes reads till his long post
- his long post has me
- his posts after decrease in qual significantly
now when has that last thing EVER HAPPENED in a game I am in

Trying to shade me for having bad posts again are we?

zzzzzz

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:19 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:16 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:16 pm Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol
Expand on this
Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

100%

honestly similar to what i just said about creature, town guillo is extremely in your face and aggressive and i haven't seen any of that this game

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:14 pm I think your view here is exceptionally shallow and I think you should try and assess val and creature from a different pov. Val reminds me of a certain archetype and her devil may care attitude strikes me as hyper town. I've been trying to get it into your head that I strongly think creature is a hit based on meta and I want pressure to remain there so I'm glad val is knocking sense back into the thread after we kind of shrugged about him for a while. If youre town I hope you can think a couple levels beyond surface of this interaction and see it other ways
Why would you need to point me that her idgaf attitude is town, that was my reason to towniecore her before the Creature wagon. But the creature wagon does not match up on the idc vibe i was getting before from her she went from just vibeing going with the flow to now actually doing a full on 180 and trying to create and push wagons for the fuck of it? it just doesnt match up with what i had been vibeing with before.

As far as Creature being assesed from another PoV its just not that easy for me to do since my way of reading is 100% based on vibes and mindmelding people or agreeing with their plays or finding them funny. Like i wouldnt be absolutely shocked if he flipped wolf but the fact that im not reading him as one makes me wanna suspect the people forming a wagon against him.

I think it fits with her eagerness for stuff to happen in the game, I get not vibing with it in the same way but I liked it as a daring/unselfconscious move.

For creature it's really kinda a volume thing more than anything which feels a bit bad if he's just busy IRL but in my experience he cannot keep himself away from spamming thread when he's town and he really has comparatively low presence in this game to the point he seems uncomfortable. When he does post as wolf the content is usually similar to his town style, he's just not as in your face and less happy to be in thread

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:16 pm Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

I was afraid to say it but ye

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:12 pm So conclusion:
- I like Capes reads till his long post
- his long post has me
- his posts after decrease in qual significantly

want him back in thread to explain more tbh

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:10 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:08 pm If you don't want to talk about creature right now and deal with that what do you think about nutella defending me
It makes me want to SR Nut based on the reasons they are defending you for. I *think* you are still town-leaning but i heavily disagree with the creature wagon and the need to force a wagon to appear just for the sake of it.

I think your view here is exceptionally shallow and I think you should try and assess val and creature from a different pov. Val reminds me of a certain archetype and her devil may care attitude strikes me as hyper town. I've been trying to get it into your head that I strongly think creature is a hit based on meta and I want pressure to remain there so I'm glad val is knocking sense back into the thread after we kind of shrugged about him for a while. If youre town I hope you can think a couple levels beyond surface of this interaction and see it other ways

like I somewhat got cold feet on creature because of the complacency and sort of because of his claim (but what Wind said about him claiming as scum made me feel worse about that again). I moved votes to keep things exciting but I will probably move back because I still think he is a wolf

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:03 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:01 pm am i bussing now or am i pushing town and if you think the former: just help me bus for now and deal with me tomorrow or whatever, arguably something something bussing partner to save self blunder blah blah. If u think i am a wolf pushing town why do u think everyone's been so reticent about the slot all game
People can be reticent due to the fact that they tr him lol doesnt necessarily mean scum and that same argument would apply to you that have been sr'd a lot so far with 0 actual push or votes.

no, it's completely different as creature was top wagon for a large portion of the phase until people myself included got tired of sitting there and moved but still feel like hes a hit

i like that val was proactive about saying outright he should go back to being wagoned

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:57 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:52 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm wanted to GIVE MY VOTE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND IF PEOPLE WOULD TRAIL ON
being proactive is a curse this is why i never try

anyways whatever i said about creature is out the window because everyone's like "oh but what if creature" but where's the drive to manifest it. he's not like doing anything.
damn this posts actually howls hard as fuck, you should've posted this before tr'd you smh.
very strongly disagree. The drive to actually commit to a creature wagon when the thread has been handwaving around him is very protown
She voted dz on that same page or the one before it, dz asked for reasons she said to ask later in an hour to then proceed to unvote and vote creature with a reason thats wack imo. Doesnt help that i also dont like the fact that Creature is a wagon to begin with and based on the one game i played with him (big sample size) i dont feel like he would care much or feel pressured with being wagoned specially considering that in this game his playstyle has been not caring much imo.

jumping from dz then deciding fuck it creature is the better vote based on threadstate looks organically towny to me, shrug

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:57 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:52 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm wanted to GIVE MY VOTE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND IF PEOPLE WOULD TRAIL ON
being proactive is a curse this is why i never try

anyways whatever i said about creature is out the window because everyone's like "oh but what if creature" but where's the drive to manifest it. he's not like doing anything.
damn this posts actually howls hard as fuck, you should've posted this before tr'd you smh.
very strongly disagree. The drive to actually commit to a creature wagon when the thread has been handwaving around him is very protown
Not particularly when there's a building wagon for them

Look at the timing. I and a couple others had moved off of voting creature and other wagons built up, then valentine decided to move back to creature and suddenly two people followed her. She's more spearheading it than following it.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:56 pm Does anyone have experience of Wolf!cape

I only know town!Cape and I know he's got range. Just about to kick off an iso to validate my concerns with him

To precursor, my issues were that his "read reasons" didn't match up with his actual reads i.e. he'd explain a read, then, give it a read that didn't match.

A made up example to showcase what I mean:

"JMurder3 keeps on pushing and killing town! town read."

thats what I saw. lets go heck

This was part of my issue with him earlier but I came to understand why most of his reads were where they were on his list even if the reasons were weak.

But yeah I have seen him deepwolf a few mashes and he's good at appearing solvy generally

@ valentine scumreaders git gud

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:52 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:49 pm wanted to GIVE MY VOTE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AND IF PEOPLE WOULD TRAIL ON
being proactive is a curse this is why i never try

anyways whatever i said about creature is out the window because everyone's like "oh but what if creature" but where's the drive to manifest it. he's not like doing anything.
damn this posts actually howls hard as fuck, you should've posted this before tr'd you smh.

very strongly disagree. The drive to actually commit to a creature wagon when the thread has been handwaving around him is very protown

Likely to move back to creature but gonna wait til cape comes back prolly

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:34 pm Too add, I was reflecting on how much I fucked up on my creature read in the mash and rounded on I think his town play is "cooperative but not collaborative". He cooperates with town cores and looks to get them working on things, but, he doesn't bounce off ppl/build reads with people (collaborative)

I think he wasn't doing that here

Agree with this yeah.

He's far more passive here than usual and I think that's more scum indicative for him

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:06 pm Offtopic is there any way to set up the notifications so that the tab gets a number or gets red when i have a new alert? similar to MU.

it does get a number but it works slightly differently to mu where if youre on the previous page it doesnt update

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:03 pm My top town reads are:
- Risiiinq
- Falcon
- IBA
- Manny

p much agree on these

sliiiiightly less sure on manny now but still a tr

IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:52 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:51 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:47 pm I dont like how Creatures being ignored
I townread him, him not giving much fucks in general seems townie.
This feels like scum stanning scum tbh

Kinda could be. Though I can understand it for someone not as familiar with creature

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:47 pm Fuck it i give up on quoteing imma just ping.

@Nutella mindmeld on practically most of his reads + i feel like he is playing like he did in the mash when he was town.

alright. I think I need to reread your big readlist post

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:47 pm I dont like how Creatures being ignored

Resistance to wagon noted!!

I'm still more or less happy to stay on the creature wagon, I was on it for most of the phase, but it felt stagnant

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:44 pm idk if im weird but cape felt townie as fuck based on his posts and i kinda dont like being the main wagon.

How so?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:37 pm how town dz makes reads

ok enlighten me

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:35 pm sad when a townread srs a bunch of my other townreads
Which ones of my Sr's are your Tr's. (tbf as kinda usual im a lot more confident in my TR's than in my SR's).

falcon schia dz

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:36 pm I'm not convinced on the case against DZ, nor on the case against Sabi, and I'm not sure why I don't feel convinced on either. I feel like I should be finding one of them scummy by now? But I'm not, and it's bothering me.

Anyway, off to a concert for the night, catch ya later (or maybe not before EoD), my vote is gonna stay on Cape.

I currently think dz/sabi can easily be v/v and it's just frustrating atp

Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:32 pm Im down to wagon any of -> DaughterOfOmega, Falcon, Schia, Dz or Guillotine.
For now ill just sheep my read/sabi and vote dz.

sad when a townread srs a bunch of my other townreads

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:28 pm
DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:03 am well, I should have used spoilers.

take aways:
(a) The push on schia is concerted. It seems focused on a bad entry of awkwardness
(b) He bashes and takes pot shots at people defending schia
(c) BUT he never votes her
(d) he looks back once with cape when schia does something he likes.

I think a, b and are all quite towny. Believing a push *that was convincing* is a good look. Bashin ppl who attack your push is also towny because well as wolf I always try n be more balanced with ppl to look more like im solving off my push, and, bashing people is so brazen. d is good because it shows he's actually thinking about the read.
c is bad because it implies he doesn't believe in read- votes are one of best ways of pushing your scum reads!

Separately, that is his real push. he has some drive by town reads and light "you are wolfy" esque posts.

He's definitely in my POE, can see lots of wolf persona's here, but, dont scum read him as much as others AND I now wanna go check out schia
@Sabiplz here is 1 citation, this post alone is more solving than you have done in 175 posts and he has other posts like this
I don't make reads or cases like that esp day one.

You can literally look at my past games on here Nutella. Asmr/kids birthday are my last two town Rands and mafia Misplay/hot fuzz are my mafia Rands.

Realize this is how I play.

My point is not so much about your playstyle (which I sympathize with) but more that DZ has done more than you seem to be acknowledging

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:30 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:17 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:03 pm
IBA wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:04 am
Manny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:01 am Hi was alr reading and i just realized i could quote so should i do my reads like this ->

Sabi -> p#15 sr, only a scum would rickroll /hj.

or just mass quote, asking cuz i will end up with a huge post anyways since i have 24 pages of stuff to react to lmao.
My flavor is rickroll unfortunately.

@Marmot hates me
It’s probably a terrible idea for people to share their songs
Considering it's NAI, I don't think it's the worst idea
I don't really know that it's pro-town, for that matter, unless it helps us get inside their heads
But I don't think it's blatantly anti-town
I think it’s highly likely to have mechanical relevance to scum
Then do you care to explain why the OP encourages us to claim or refer to our songs?

Probably to help Colin's role, which he has canceled out by claiming

I'm giving sabi space because I currently think they actually believe this but I'm concerned that they aren't trying to see it differently

DeeZees wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:03 am well, I should have used spoilers.

take aways:
(a) The push on schia is concerted. It seems focused on a bad entry of awkwardness
(b) He bashes and takes pot shots at people defending schia
(c) BUT he never votes her
(d) he looks back once with cape when schia does something he likes.

I think a, b and are all quite towny. Believing a push *that was convincing* is a good look. Bashin ppl who attack your push is also towny because well as wolf I always try n be more balanced with ppl to look more like im solving off my push, and, bashing people is so brazen. d is good because it shows he's actually thinking about the read.
c is bad because it implies he doesn't believe in read- votes are one of best ways of pushing your scum reads!

Separately, that is his real push. he has some drive by town reads and light "you are wolfy" esque posts.

He's definitely in my POE, can see lots of wolf persona's here, but, dont scum read him as much as others AND I now wanna go check out schia

@Sabiplz here is 1 citation, this post alone is more solving than you have done in 175 posts and he has other posts like this

Don't mind the Petit wagon either, I kind of keep forgetting he's even in the game because he's made close to zero memorable contributions and has just now tried to "how do you do fellow kids" himself into solving

[VOTE: cape] aubergine

Yeah idk his response to my big post felt marginally better but nothing else has convinced me he's town. His engagement is limited and not in a detached towny way, more in a timid way. I trust the two people voting there as well.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:21 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:55 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:44 pm me voice: When i open the thread this time will i be struck with the perfect solve finally? will i finally be able to latch onto a wolfread?

the answer for the audience was a big fat no
[VOTE: valentine] aubergine

Town who are waiting for the perfect solve, or the right moment, are POE
..what?
...who?
literally what does your post mean

shes town but poe??
I just mean Town as in we are all "town"...players would be more accurate term

Players who are waiting blah blah POE

The all of us are town thing has been tried, wasn't popular :P

I'm sorry I just do not get and will never get the DZ scumreads

Maybe I'm wrong but he just radiates town

Sabi is stuck on this one thing that doesnt feel backed up at all to me

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:12 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:47 pm
OK Iawy pushing LHFs with walls after posting his D1 suck. Cape/Iawy ww sheeping DZs falcon case.
Oh hey a read you could have joined the rest of us in making like 24 hours ago. We have cookies
Well, real life happens. I do like cookies though.

What's your read on HK?

HK is in a super weird spot for me. He's had moments I thought were towny, and moments I thought weren't. I don't have a good handle on his POV of the game and I think he could really go either way. Need more data

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:55 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:44 pm me voice: When i open the thread this time will i be struck with the perfect solve finally? will i finally be able to latch onto a wolfread?

the answer for the audience was a big fat no
[VOTE: valentine] aubergine

Town who are waiting for the perfect solve, or the right moment, are POE
..what?
...who?

literally what does your post mean

shes town but poe??

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:38 am
risiinq- wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:19 am can you elaborate on such "dz wolf signs" first?

sorry for replying to a question with question, but it's necessary for my pov ig
OK multi quoting atm sucks on my phone if I keep getting logged off.

Anyway:
His rvs was incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. He was flailing and throwing out half ass town read towards Nutella and weird pushes on players for reasons he then tr others on.

He has no real direction to go towards. He was pushing on Rask early and since Rask dropped off he didn't continue to push there. His omgus on me. He doesn't have a solid grasp of the game and game state.

His posting just feel devoid of any passion or solving. He feels like he's dragging himself. He was gone for 24hours and had nothing to say about what happened in the game. Just isoed two players and washed his hands of the game.

Lack of engaging with others.
Mmmm no it is you who are out of touch
Please tell me how I'm wrong on DZ because you haven't explained why you sr me and I'm getting bored of you doing so because this is mash all over again where I was town.

Like

DZ has given more, and more fleshed-out, reads than you have

Thats all

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:55 pm
Valentine wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:44 pm me voice: When i open the thread this time will i be struck with the perfect solve finally? will i finally be able to latch onto a wolfread?

the answer for the audience was a big fat no
[VOTE: valentine] aubergine

Town who are waiting for the perfect solve, or the right moment, are POE

..what?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:47 pm
OK Iawy pushing LHFs with walls after posting his D1 suck. Cape/Iawy ww sheeping DZs falcon case.

Oh hey a read you could have joined the rest of us in making like 24 hours ago. We have cookies

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:42 pm Why are we still discussing the drunk or Not drunk thing.

How is that moving the game forward? How is it alignment related

begrudgingly gives you a town point for this

istg if i see another post about "faking being drunk" im going to tear this website to shreds

had a good run

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