The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:11 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:43 pm Nanook were you blocked last night?
How would I know I’m a glorified VT
Seems to be that everyone is informed even if they don't perform an action, rather than someone just waiting for results. Think Nik was informed N2 although he don't do anything on even nights.

he was blocked n1 not n2 i believe? alison blocked him with her gd block n1 when he would have otherwise given out a gun then

unless im remembering another block from n2 but idts

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:03 pm [VOTE: Thundecat] aubergine

So here's the plan. Nik, Joe and Nook are mod-confirmed. Nutella is never ever ever Mafia. I'm the closest thing to mod-confirmed but I can understand that 1% doubt of several tinfoil put together that has me as Mafia, especially with 4 other peeps confirmed. 112 is the closest to the closest thing to mod-confirmed. Grand Scheme is confirmed as Gambit Demon from several people. Then there is ThunderCat.

From my PoV, it can only be TC or 112 as the reason for the game still going. Either Mafia 4 or hostile indie. I'm leaning towards the former 'cause nightkills, unless it's some fuckery from the GD. Tutuu and Kyle were the last 2 supposed to bargain with him, but I put that more to Mafia 4 wanting to not have them reveal who they blocked confirming that person.

TC could be at tier 2, and get access to a tier 3 suicide kill which he'll survive according to tutuu's info. So if we misyeet, we could potentially only have 2 townies vs 3 non towns the following phase. We should yeet him this day, and make him unable to take a tier 3 deal tonight 'cause that'll kill him for good. I also still maintain my observation about Tutuu's results on him, I believe from a role design and normal modding practices, if he was 3rd party she should have received his wincon as it is part of the secrets of his role similarly to MR's when his secrets were revealed. So that leaves the option of him being Mafia 4 with that role,and the indie being amongst one dead people. Another point would be his ability of making someone else disappear not only him if he wanted, I don't see how that fits an indie trying to survive on their own after dying once. Why would he ever use that on someone else? One thought against is that him being Mafia 4 will make 2 Mafia be immune to a yeet at least. You can argue that Mastermind isn't really Mafia so his yeet immunity doesn't really make it that improbable for a real mafia to be 1-shot immune as well. Also there is the presence of the Pupeteeer with an NK and of a Vig, both the immunities are to death so they could have been to fight against those extra kills in case they hit them.

So we yeet TC for the reasons above, mainly to prevent a tier 3. Nik should give me a gun tonight, next phase I'll suicide and take with me one of 112/TC and y'all can yeet the other. That should do it.

ok this actually sounds p good

[VOTE: thundercat] aubergine

@NIK prepare the finest piece from your armory

Thundercat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:48 pm I didn't say anything at the time, but I was pretty certain Nanook was the mayor based on his challenging of TH's claim.

yeah also the earlier soft i found seemed legit

idk after i got off last night i felt bad for arguing with him so much when he's prob just town lol

i really hope thats trolling bc i'd love if nanook is cleared for real

Thundercat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm Although apparently I was blocked

....wait

Thundercat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:42 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:39 pm
Thundercat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:37 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:29 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:12 am Also TH did you strike a tier 2 deal, and switch anyone?
TC
What'd you do to me??
Did you take a tier 2 deal and switch anyone?
No, I didn't take Tier 1 the other night because we hadn't talked about who I should rb, so I roleblocked Nanook last night.

Well that's pretty relevant lol thanks

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

This feels kinda dumb lol but *something* dumb is probably the truth

Anyway I want her to talk so

Oh you mean the stuff about how I scumread you most of the game and want to trust that I was right, but that's not about me reading you specifically, it's about how all my other reads in this game have been goat

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:02 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:01 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:00 am Tbh I also don’t really read you particularly well so I’m more weighing other peoples reads on you than I am my own
I mean... same lol
That’s like the opposite of what you’ve been doing and saying!

No it's not, I just said I'm weighing Mac's read on you, and my paranoia is largely just that, paranoia, based on how often I've been wrong about you in the past lmao

Let's hold hands and chop 112

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:00 am Tbh I also don’t really read you particularly well so I’m more weighing other peoples reads on you than I am my own

I mean... same lol

Remember how in the game that just ended I locked you town and then everyone else mischopped you and I just kind of forgot to stop them

Yeah this game is nothing like that one but man if you're town here I wish it was that easy

Idk what my point is I'm just sort of coming around to you probably being town but god your play is just so variable lol

Is it actually true that mac has never been wrong about you because if so I do actually put some stock into that

I do think 112 has been very quiet in the last few phases other than the claim

Like she wasn't really active around the last few SOD times especially and it feels like she only pops in when she has something specific to say, could be calculated, I want to see more of her unfiltered thoughts

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:48 am Like you see why it’s so hard for me to get to an answer that isn’t you being mafia right

I mean I understand my claim is the least proveable but I'm also literally the most townie person in the game so that should compensate a bit

I feel like a broken record at this point but like, the degree to which players have been villagery in general needs to be weighed along with roleclaims at this point of solving, since even if everyone has a claimed role *someone* is probably lying and it's probably in one of the scummier people that I was onto at some point earlier in the game and there just happened to be some mech that worked out for them

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:47 am 112 being the rolecop in that team is kinda weird tho

And rolecop plus doppelgänger plus soup kill is like

Really fucking strong

Any chance I could get you to elaborate on that first point a little lmao

Why is it weird for 112 specifically

And yeah it would be a strong combo but I'm kinda past that kind of host/setup read at this point, sprityo be wildin and we demolished the wolfteam regardless of how strong they were anyway lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:44 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 am Sometimes you just have to accept that I’m confirmed town and you’re terrible at reading me
Maybe consider that you'd be easier to read if you fucking participated in the game instead of saying "sabie is town, no reason, lol" five times and going on your merry way
I mean I did give a reason, I thought her entrance looked townie

Miss me with this gatekeeping bullshit
That's not a reason lol you never said why you thought that

But ok I won't harp on that point bc I make reads like that sometimes too and know it's how you operate I just wish getting content out of you wasnt always like pulling teeth
“I thought her entrance was townie” is a reason! How is that not a reason!

I give content all the time, I just don’t make cases or walls

I don't even know what to say to this lol, that doesn't explain *why* you thought her entrance was townie, like what about it specifically

I don't really do cases or walls either but at least I recognize when people are asking for reasoning it's generally expected to respond with *something* other than "because"

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:46 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:44 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:43 am There is no chance I’m reading your ISO
Just skim through like day 1 or whatever, witness me dunking on wolves, profit
I’m telling you now I’m very very unlikely to read your ISO, I just do not have that kind of energy for this game

Ok well just recognize that like

All the people who have actually read the game locked me as town

So if you're really going to push me as scum you really have to sell it and you don't have the backing for it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:43 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am I would probably think 112 over nova tbh
Ok, talk me through it
Nova has the tutu thing going for him, plus “maybe one mafia CCed the other” is the kind of thing that’s cool to think about but almost never happens. Alison was potentially in chat so maybe they coordinated it, but like...idk it just feels unlikely to me, especially since I had a watcher claim out at the time

Idk

I could see that as a crazy Alison gambit

But it's a little out there I guess

112 rolecop theory does make some sense too tho

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:43 am There is no chance I’m reading your ISO

Just skim through like day 1 or whatever, witness me dunking on wolves, profit

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 am Sometimes you just have to accept that I’m confirmed town and you’re terrible at reading me
Maybe consider that you'd be easier to read if you fucking participated in the game instead of saying "sabie is town, no reason, lol" five times and going on your merry way
I mean I did give a reason, I thought her entrance looked townie

Miss me with this gatekeeping bullshit

That's not a reason lol you never said why you thought that

But ok I won't harp on that point bc I make reads like that sometimes too and know it's how you operate I just wish getting content out of you wasnt always like pulling teeth

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:42 am I would probably think 112 over nova tbh

Ok, talk me through it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 am Tbh I don’t really SR you and I am grappling with Mac’s town lock on you, but the mech is reallllllly hard to get past

Yeah I'm trying to extend you that courtesy every other post soooooooo

Idk I read your iso, do the same for me and see if you can still justify sring me?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 am Sometimes you just have to accept that I’m confirmed town and you’re terrible at reading me

Maybe consider that you'd be easier to read if you fucking participated in the game instead of saying "sabie is town, no reason, lol" five times and going on your merry way

I think the Nova CC sequence is worth a reread, I had him as pretty likely mafia for a while and am not super comfortable locking him from that, could have been a gambit in which he's rolecop or something. I'm willing to entertain that if I put you aside

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:38 am This isn’t a closed setup lmao, get over yourself

like half the roles were secret including presumably 2 that are still alive? that's the entire reason we are in this gamestate? like wtf man lol

[VOTE: thundercat] aubergine

let's just compromise here. but we should try to spend some time today looking at 112/nova worlds instead of just bickering

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:36 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:34 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:29 am I’m not gonna do that cause I don’t really think you’re town lol

And tbh I don’t really feel like the burden of proof is on my end
Fucking burden of proof my guy I have already posted 50 times this phase quoting things and showing you why I'm vig and why I have the thoughts on you that I do

You haven't shown towny thought process in the slightest, and thanks to previous games I'm not letting a fucking measly piece of mechanical evidence cover for that, you have to hold it up with acting like a fucking villager
I have a confirmed role and a mac clear I don’t need shit else tbh

How many times do you specifically need to push me when I should be confirmed town before you learn how to accept that I’m confirmed town?

How many times do you specifically need to win as mafia by relying on the mechanics of the setup to ""confirm"" you before you learn to accept that you have to play the fucking game too

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:34 am Otherwise it’s functionally the same as a no kill which is like...puts us at probably 4/1/2 tomorrow which is *fine* but not as good as 5/1/2 lol

Well if we mischop it'll be 3 which is even worse so

Worth it prob

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:33 am What’s the argument for TC? That all the mafia are dead and we have to kill 3p?

Maybe.gif

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:29 am I’m not gonna do that cause I don’t really think you’re town lol

And tbh I don’t really feel like the burden of proof is on my end

Fucking burden of proof my guy I have already posted 50 times this phase quoting things and showing you why I'm vig and why I have the thoughts on you that I do

You haven't shown towny thought process in the slightest, and thanks to previous games I'm not letting a fucking measly piece of mechanical evidence cover for that, you have to hold it up with acting like a fucking villager

If we use today's yeet on TC you can misyeet me tomorrow lmao deal? I feel like we should probably trade because we have enough misses available but that's getting risky if it's not you, I just absolutely cannot let you skate by if the game is in fact gonna get that close

If you're town then someone like nova or 112 is prolly mafia and we have to get there, might as well solve for it while we're both around

Oh right he couldnt have been the secret role lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:26 am Amazing that you, who have read me correctly like once, think you have a better read on me than Mac

Absolutely incredible stuff

This won't work on me

Find the real mafia then, solve *with* me if you are actually town. Lay out an argument for why it's 112 or Nova or whatever. Or we can just go for TC.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:21 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 am Like why do you assume that if you're not mafia when he was the only unclaimed left idgi
Doc is way more useful/hard to work around, if mafia thinks he’s doc they always kill him
And you're assuming mafia thought he was a doc why exactly

(I get it's like a reasonable assumption to be safe when it's one of the few unaccounted for roles left, it's kinda what I thought he was, just want you to talk through your whole thought process because you have not done anything close to that while I'm vomiting my dumb thoughts into the thread)
There were only two things he could be, I was actively trying to make him look like a doc towards EOD, why wouldn’t I think scum thinks he’s a doc

Was it really only those two by that point? Hasn't the town secret role still not been accounted for

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:17 am Like I think nanook legitimately didn't realize that before any of the mafia died the OP just had like "mafia role #1 mafia role #2" etc and literally no other information

We just killed them off so quickly that he forgot they hadnt always been public knowledge

Lmao
I mean you’re half right, I legitimately did not remember that

Unfortunately I forget things as town too

I find it pretty unlikely for a townie in this game to forget that but ok dude, this is only like your 5th wolfclaim depending how generous I'm feeling

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:21 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 am Like why do you assume that if you're not mafia when he was the only unclaimed left idgi
Doc is way more useful/hard to work around, if mafia thinks he’s doc they always kill him

And you're assuming mafia thought he was a doc why exactly

(I get it's like a reasonable assumption to be safe when it's one of the few unaccounted for roles left, it's kinda what I thought he was, just want you to talk through your whole thought process because you have not done anything close to that while I'm vomiting my dumb thoughts into the thread)

Anyway like nova said, read my eod2 I was pretty hard sussing poly so it's pretty clear I shot him, I tried my best to keep quiet about it but I did sort of let it slip after the fact a lil

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:37 am Anyway I was right about poly and I'm gonna continue my streak of being right and [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Here I hinted it

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:12 pm Bus driver targeted Polypies and Nutella or some other obvious town kill target. Mafia shot at said town. Easy.
Not the case but I won't say any more about [redacted]

Here I basically claimed it lol

Like I think nanook legitimately didn't realize that before any of the mafia died the OP just had like "mafia role #1 mafia role #2" etc and literally no other information

We just killed them off so quickly that he forgot they hadnt always been public knowledge

Lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:22 am There weren’t any secrets in poly’s role how would you get it in its entirety

This, jesus fucking christ, poly's ENTIRE ROLE was secret until he died

Like

This is a bona fide scum slip in the wild, it has to be

God his iso is just so wolfy

and if he did indeed graverob the mayor thing that accounts for the soft which is like all he has going for him

It's fucking wild of sprityo to do that but like

Nook is so scum lol

Lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:43 am Also doubt that alison would soft the same way tbh

If she’s lost wolf she likely found some subtler way to soft

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:35 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:43 pm wasn't nanook gonna pick up the pace on d4?
I don’t have to there’s three mafia dead and I have a secret weapon lol

this could be a mayor soft hrm.

feet getting cold again

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:53 pm I have a super hard time believing either of these are scum fake claiming what is going on here

not one of the posts i was thinking of but a fun find in his iso, i was v convinced at the time this was tmi and a weird reaction to 112's joke cc to kza

Back in a sec gonna find the other things I thought were slips (the kyle death thing is super lol tho)

After that I'll grab where I essentially claimed the poly shot, tho i guess that's mostly for nook's benefit in the world he's actually town and decides to consider i am as well

Nook hasn't been towny all game, he defended sabie, I was right on all the other mafia, he has won games by getting miscleared on ridiculous mech bullshit before, and he has literally scumslipped like at least 3 times

Yolo

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:49 am Also, like, in what world does 112 take rolecop in that team

I didn't even remember they chose their roles

this just reminds me of the 2+ times you have potentially slipped you had knowledge of mafia roles before they flipped

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:47 am Like idk dude maybe you’re town, mac thought you were and I trust his reads, but like...I’m not likely getting to someone that isn’t you today lol

Nova can only be mafia if he’s a godfather...112 only if they’re a rolecop...like...both are within the realm of possibility, but they’re less likely lol

nova godfather? what? the tutuu check couldve been the poly effect if nova is mafia right? we've been over this

i think either nova or 112 could both conceivably be rolecop

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:37 am Plus I hate to do this but him trying to push me is legit not a good look, I understand that I'm not cleared but there are hints in my iso from d3 that I shot poly and like.... come on man i'm obv town so if you're really not mafia you're not solving whatever puzzle we have here
Look at the mech and tell me it’s wrong lol

Like you’re by far the least confirmed role, by A LOT. I’m usually gonna push that

The mech is what we have and from where I'm sitting it's misclearing someone

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