The Syndicate

K whatever I'll leave it alone

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:12 pm Given where his vote is parked I somewhat doubt that tony shot radishes.

Huh? I am missing the connection.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:10 pm Why are we even considering tony today?

I don't know that we are. I'm just looking into him a bit more because he's among the weakest of my townreads and I'm trying to reconsider some stuff. But now that I've looked I think it's possible he's even the one who killed MR and not teammate compatible with him at the least.

hmm that "shouldn't dismiss" wording sounds kind of like the opposite of what I meant, whatever lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:19 pm I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

I forgot he said this though so maybe I shouldn't dismiss his lack of activity. Also not sure what he's hinting at about his role. Anyone think it's possible he's the one who shot MR? That may be worth looking into.

I think my main problem with Tony is it feels like he's largely disappeared. He was fairly active on D1 but it feels like he hasn't had any meaningful content since the MR flip.

LC yes that's why :P

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:53 pm @nutella the only thing about Tony is MR suspected him and even voted him. I guess that could have been distancing though, I need to look back at that.

You're right, I remember seeing that in MR's iso and thinking that was probably not teammate behavior. But yeah I do really need to consider all angles more openly so I'll look into it again.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:47 pm Someone explain secret vote or link me to it. I didn't see it in the rules or during my review.

There was a poll during the night phase for adding a mechanic for D2. So today we have an extra secret vote by PM and it's unchangeable, so we need to reach a consensus in thread and send in our votes toward eod. We are probably going for Sloonei because that slot has not played at all and should be resolved.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:26 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME so my read of nutella this game is leaning scum.

The people she has read as scum include you, Jack, Hyena, 112 and DDL all of whom I disagree with. (I think she is reading everyone but me town right now but these were her past reads).

She has brought up things about me that are just part of my style and has been adamant those things make me scum. Part of me wants to say she's just mistaken but she hasn't wavered at all like she does when she's town. In fact, I haven't seen her wavering on anybody like her normal civ self though it usually happens at EOD in my experience and we've only had one of those.

Her responses to MR's death sounded overwrought, and that isn't normally what I see in town nutella. It's like she was overdoing it so people would believe she was not his partner.

She and I both did agree on Hyena's MP7 case so we haven't disagreed on everything. I only lean scum on her because I would really like to see some more behavior before writing her off completely.
I know it seems like I'm not wavering at this point, which I admit is unusual and feels weird. This has just been a weird game for me in how much I've mentally sorted people as town. But as you said yourself, I have changed my reads quite a lot this game. I have had multiple scumreads that didn't stick and I *have* waffled on them and I *have* changed my mind. Maybe not in the way I usually do, and yeah I'm sticking to my guns on you and not really waffling there but I have my reasons (which are partially POE from my townreads).

My response to MR's flip was really just me typing how I felt in the moment. It was stream of consciousness. I was stunned. Wasn't exaggerated.

I'm in a position right now where I realize why I look bad but all I can do is honestly say how I've felt in this game and I can't really defend more than that, it's just been weird. I would encourage you to look at the sheer volume of my posts and the extent to which I'm stream of consciousness posting and not holding anything back, and as MP has pointed out see how different that is from my recent scum games where I am much more restrained. I know I don't look like my usual town self here because of how my reads have evolved, but I implore you to see that I am also not even remotely within my scum meta. I know how that sounds, believe me I'm conscious of it, and I am starting to accept that it's fairly likely I get mislynched today but I won't go down without a fight and I want others to see through to my true motivations here.
Wow nutella, you may have convinced me. Step away from me for a minute and tell me who else is in your "maybe scum" pile. I have been defending so much I'm not doing well on reading baddies. Everyone seems so town. I'm half considering Hyena's idea of the Wilgy and Sloonei slots. I wish this double lynch had not come so early in the game, I'm having flashbacks as to how we screwed it up in GOC.

Omgosh a ton of linki.

Well other than Sloonei I have reasons to townread everyone else, but some of them are weaker than others. Tony probably the weakest, and MP. And I'm honestly starting to consider the possibility I'm wrong on Speed even though he was one of my strongest. If I were to reorder my list now I think LC, Hyena, Jack, and even Nanook might place higher than him at this point.

I really should look into Tony more though huh.

I'm almost certainly putting my secret vote on Sloonei.

doubt that's a fake* derp lol accidentally changed the meaning there. I mean I agree with you

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:38 pm I’m going to pretend that fake derps don’t exist and accept wilgy as lock town.

Yeah I doubt that's a derp lol.... but I haven't played with wilgy in a while and he does do goofy things like that sometimes. I just don't feel it's likely in this case.

Oooh a big Wilgy catch up post. Just started it but gonna say now that preemptively calling Radish scum and leaving it in the catch up post probably makes him town lol.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:26 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME so my read of nutella this game is leaning scum.

The people she has read as scum include you, Jack, Hyena, 112 and DDL all of whom I disagree with. (I think she is reading everyone but me town right now but these were her past reads).

She has brought up things about me that are just part of my style and has been adamant those things make me scum. Part of me wants to say she's just mistaken but she hasn't wavered at all like she does when she's town. In fact, I haven't seen her wavering on anybody like her normal civ self though it usually happens at EOD in my experience and we've only had one of those.

Her responses to MR's death sounded overwrought, and that isn't normally what I see in town nutella. It's like she was overdoing it so people would believe she was not his partner.

She and I both did agree on Hyena's MP7 case so we haven't disagreed on everything. I only lean scum on her because I would really like to see some more behavior before writing her off completely.

I know it seems like I'm not wavering at this point, which I admit is unusual and feels weird. This has just been a weird game for me in how much I've mentally sorted people as town. But as you said yourself, I have changed my reads quite a lot this game. I have had multiple scumreads that didn't stick and I *have* waffled on them and I *have* changed my mind. Maybe not in the way I usually do, and yeah I'm sticking to my guns on you and not really waffling there but I have my reasons (which are partially POE from my townreads).

My response to MR's flip was really just me typing how I felt in the moment. It was stream of consciousness. I was stunned. Wasn't exaggerated.

I'm in a position right now where I realize why I look bad but all I can do is honestly say how I've felt in this game and I can't really defend more than that, it's just been weird. I would encourage you to look at the sheer volume of my posts and the extent to which I'm stream of consciousness posting and not holding anything back, and as MP has pointed out see how different that is from my recent scum games where I am much more restrained. I know I don't look like my usual town self here because of how my reads have evolved, but I implore you to see that I am also not even remotely within my scum meta. I know how that sounds, believe me I'm conscious of it, and I am starting to accept that it's fairly likely I get mislynched today but I won't go down without a fight and I want others to see through to my true motivations here.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:38 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It feels like I need to address your grievance or you're going to tunnel me for the rest of the game.

Please point me to where I ignored evidence of your towniness and I'll talk about it. Don't have time to find it myself.
As far as I can tell your initial scumread of me consisted of “I have trouble SRing townies when I’m Mafia, so nanook does too.” This has been refuted, by myself and others. You still hang on to the scumread without updating it.

To me this reads like you having a very similar issue to the one you accused me of, struggling to find other townies to SR.

God damn this actually makes sense.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:44 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:42 pm Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.
But you went from being the second voter on juliets to being the second voter on speed. It's unnecessary. Yeah if it comes down to it I'd like to be saved, but as far as I can tell (/hope) the juliets wagon is just as viable as the speed one atm. So what exactly is convincing you to move to speed when juliets is lower on your list if all other things are equal? Do you trust Nanook more than me? (It's okay if you do I'm just asking lol)
Oh, I see what you're saying, lol. I didn't even think about vote totals. I'm open to whichever has more interest.

I'm not sure which one of you I trust more. I perhaps am more likely to tinfoil you at any random moment, but I currently trust you about the same.

OK. I guess I also just don't get what you see in speed or why you might agree with nanook on him. Not to keep you if you're busy and can't answer right now but I just don't see it. Obviously from my perspective I think there's much more of an actual case on juliets so I'm wondering if that can weigh your decision at all or if you're just deciding to trust Nanook's gut.

Also more broadly the fact that you never gave any sort of read on MR ever as far as I can tell.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:31 pm I said pretend because you gave no indication of being interested afterward. Yeah you thanked Hyena for answering but that was it. You said nothing about MR afterward and just voted for sig without giving any input on MR.

The reaction to his death is a smaller thing, it's not a major part of why I suspect you I just stuck it in there as a small point of interest.
When did you expect me to show interest afterward? I asked hyena to walk me through it because after I read it a few times I still didn't fully understand it. I had no input to give on MR other than "I haven't seen anything scummy". Do you think that would have been helpful?? No, it would not have. Hyena had MR in his town grouping so didn't see anything really scummy either. It wasn't until the next day when I asked Hyena to explain did I fully understand what had happened. That was me showing interest.

I just mean you didn't even respond to it other than saying "thanks Hyena." You did the bare minimum of acknowledging that people were voting him for some reason and then moved on. Afterward you sort of jumped along on my pressure of Hyena to explain his progression, but I don't really view that as relevant.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:42 pm Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.

But you went from being the second voter on juliets to being the second voter on speed. It's unnecessary. Yeah if it comes down to it I'd like to be saved, but as far as I can tell (/hope) the juliets wagon is just as viable as the speed one atm. So what exactly is convincing you to move to speed when juliets is lower on your list if all other things are equal? Do you trust Nanook more than me? (It's okay if you do I'm just asking lol)

Whyyyyyyy

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:27 am Fixed:

MP7 random D2 feels reads whatever man

lock town
nutella
Nanook

strong town
Jack
Tony

maybe town
Hyena
LC
speed

POE by default
DDL
juliets
DrWilgy
Sloonei

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:35 pm Fine [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

@M Plus 7 if you wanna do a chuck counterwagon when you’re back lemme know but I’m not real interested in juliets.
Thanks for the ping. I suppose I could lynch speedchuck.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:38 pm Oh shit I never changed my vote, sorry.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I'm going to be super scattered until closer to EoD, sorry, so please mention me if you want me to see something just in case.

Aw what happened to sticking with me on juliets

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:05 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:01 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?
My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.
Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.
These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.
Just because I hardly talked about MR doesn't mean he is a scum partner. There were other people I had hardly talked about like DDL for example, or Tony, and probably some others. I don't get around to talking about everyone on Day 1. IF it were Day 3 and I hadn't talked about him at all that would be different, then I think it would be fair for you to draw a conclusion. There is nothing I can say in my defense about why MR did not talk about me and it's not fair to try and make me speak to what was in his head.

Idk, he was a pretty big topic on D1, first early with the 112 interaction and then later when he was a candidate for lynch. Just seems like if you had been addressing thread content fairly he'd come up more.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:24 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 pm I mean I don’t particularly think they are, but being wrong on nutes isn’t gonna make me go “oh it must be Juliet then!”
Why not?? If it's not juliets, who the hell is it???

(I know you suspect speed but I don't see that at all. I'm so confident he's town. I know, I said the same thing about MR. But this is actually more substantial than that.)
Why would you being town have any bearing on my juliets read?
My point is POE. Your perceived probability that juliets is scum should go up when you see me flip town.
Sure, in the same way that everyone’s does. I don’t see how juliets specifically should go up more than anyone else.

Because pretty much everyone else is town ffs

Again, and I concede that there is some bias in this point, I'm also just getting a particular tonal feeling from a lot of your posts especially the ones where you responded to me, that just feels off to me. Like I said I've had a hard time distinguishing your town and scum posting styles in the past, but I do really feel like there is a difference here that I can't quite put my finger on. "Stilted" probably isn't quite the right word but the way you're answering just feels kind of stiff and machinelike, with a tinge of the emotion that I'm used to from you but with a halted quality that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I said pretend because you gave no indication of being interested afterward. Yeah you thanked Hyena for answering but that was it. You said nothing about MR afterward and just voted for sig without giving any input on MR.

The reaction to his death is a smaller thing, it's not a major part of why I suspect you I just stuck it in there as a small point of interest.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 pm I mean I don’t particularly think they are, but being wrong on nutes isn’t gonna make me go “oh it must be Juliet then!”
Why not?? If it's not juliets, who the hell is it???

(I know you suspect speed but I don't see that at all. I'm so confident he's town. I know, I said the same thing about MR. But this is actually more substantial than that.)
Why would you being town have any bearing on my juliets read?

My point is POE. Your perceived probability that juliets is scum should go up when you see me flip town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:32 pm Being wrong on nutes is likely to make me aim all the ammo onto MP though.

I suppose that's fair. I still think it's wrong.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 pm I mean I don’t particularly think they are, but being wrong on nutes isn’t gonna make me go “oh it must be Juliet then!”

Why not?? If it's not juliets, who the hell is it???

(I know you suspect speed but I don't see that at all. I'm so confident he's town. I know, I said the same thing about MR. But this is actually more substantial than that.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:51 am I'm okay with lynching Nutella and an inactive but I'll be entirely unsurprised when the inactive flips town and we move right back to MP the next day.

But will you be surprised when I flip town?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:16 am One thing that got to me is how easily she dropped her suspicion on me once I called her out on her mindmelding theory being wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:07 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:37 pm Nutella is kind of tricky to put a finger on.

At start, she felt like the genuine waffly ball I'm used to. But then she started going viscerally against me all day, in my town reads, scum reads and my own alignment. This risks clouding my perspective.

I think I can kind of udnerstand what is causing this, though. Nutella is one of the people in this site whose playstyle approaches mine the most. I think she was expecting to mindmeld with me, and in failing to do so, decided it's because I'm bad.

I think this is an unfair way to judge me though. Just because I play like nutella does doesn't mean I'll arrive at the same conclusions as she does. In fact, I recall the opposite happening way more often. Usually nutella is this waffly ball that is saying things I don't really agree with, even if I believe she believes in them.

Well, either that or she is bad and I let my empathy trick me into trusting her. Whatever.
This is fair. And I'm vibing slightly more with you now (there was one other post I liked) so you may move up in my estimation.
She was arguing on the basis of "DDL's playstyle is similar to mine so he should be trusting MR like I do!"

And I called BS on that, but at the same time, tried to reach out to nutella and use that to read has as a civ.

I feel like a civ nutella might kept pushing though, or at least reverted to her normal state of being on the fence. But a baddie nutella could have felt disarmed by my post, and would have backed down like she did here. It doesn't feel like she really believed in that mindmelding theory of hers.

I literally thought you meant this post the other way around until the last paragraph. I thought you were going to say that was a good look for me, lol. Backing down in the face of good reasoning and vibes is just what I do. I changed my mind on you. It wasn't a single moment that did it, but a gradual process.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:15 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:10 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:56 am Like unflipped associative reads aside, Juliets is null. I read those posts and they don’t even move my Juliets needle. They give you a confident scumread on her. That smells to me.

I think Hyena believes his MP read even if it’s wrong.

I’m inclined to think Nutella doesn’t believe her Juliets read.

In the event I find myself shaken by flips not going how I plan on them going, I lose confidence. So if I was in Nutella’s shoes and I did find those posts suspicious, I’d be like “Sooooo maybe Juliets is scum. Idk. It’s the best I’ve got” not “I am confident in my scumread of Juliets so I’m keeping all the townreads I have even though I just lost my shit over an incorrect townread.”

It doesn’t feel like an actual town mindset.

Supposing Nutella is scum with MP. MP comes charging in. Nutella gives out an easy townread and then pushes on one of the null quartet off flimsy shit. That may not be what we’re seeing but that scenario feels consistent with Nutella’s actions and mindset in a way her being town doesn’t.

Or she’s scum and MP isn’t and figures she isn’t getting the lynch, accepts her pocket and shifts elsewhere. Also not necessarily the case but consistent.
This is the most conficent nutella I've seen in years, imo.
An hour after losing her shit over Radishes getting daykilled, which should have killed her confidence. What restored it was a selection of like 2 Juliets posts and 2 Radishes posts.

It's fake.

It's not fake. I've tried to get this through your head a zillion times now. Yes, my confidence was shaken for a while yesterday. I felt so lost and frustrated with the game. And then I remembered that I hadn't been liking juliets in general, and I investigated, and found she was extremely compatible with MR, and that restored my confidence. Sometimes I feel really good about my reads when there's evidence, deal with it

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:05 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.
I couldn't tell that from your posts.

It seems the two of you are BFFs.

You must have missed the big arguey emotionfest we had D1, that's what he's referring to

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:00 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:59 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:55 am I hate the nutella/MP interactions with every fiber of my being.

There are like 20 different possibilities for pocking in each page of it.

If they are both town I'll eat my hat.
Yeah yeah one of them should be calling out the other for the pocket attempt.

Especially after when I pointed out MP's reason for townreading Nutella was bad, he was pretty much like "fair enough."
But they're not. Cause they're teamed. MP's read on Nutella is fake and Nutella readily accepts it because she's not interested in reading MP either.

No, we're not teamed. This is probably the most ridiculous read you have, lol. I get why you scumread me, I get why you think either me or juliets is bad, but I don't get how you can think MP and I are teammates. It's possible he has pocketed me, but I really think we are just two townies who found each other and it's frustrating that other people aren't seeing it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:18 am MP makes a good point though, if you think the way I locked MR town makes sense as a way I would treat a mafia teammate, I don't know what to say about your nutellameter lmao. If it's that beyond repair you might not be able to trade it in for anything better than a glorfindar.

Spoiler: show

I mean it. Handwave it with wifom all you want but it's true. I can't imagine ever calling a scummate lock town like that, especially if they were getting heat on D1 like MR was.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:59 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:55 am I hate the nutella/MP interactions with every fiber of my being.

There are like 20 different possibilities for pocking in each page of it.

If they are both town I'll eat my hat.
Yeah yeah one of them should be calling out the other for the pocket attempt.

Especially after when I pointed out MP's reason for townreading Nutella was bad, he was pretty much like "fair enough."

How is his reason for townreading me bad? He's right

I am nothing like any game where I was scum, I am posting stream of consciousness and not restrained like I do as scum, and I would never treat a teammate the way I treated MR. If you can't find it in you to believe that, then I guess you really don't know me half as well as you thought you did.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:55 am I hate the nutella/MP interactions with every fiber of my being.

There are like 20 different possibilities for pocking in each page of it.

If they are both town I'll eat my hat.

I go back and forth on thinking it's still possible MP is bad. But in that exchange last night he felt really pure, and his reasons for correctly townreading me are logical and backed up with evidence so I think he really does just see through to me rather than having TMI.

Like I said, when going through MR's iso I found several reasons to dissociate certain players from him. Many of his interactions with people left me feeling those people were pretty clear from being his teammate. Just made it all the more glaringly bad when I looked into the juliets interactions as they were so different.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:41 am If @nutella wants to strengthen her case on Juliets/MasterRadish, she'd compare the little they said about each other to the little they said about everyone else.

Juliets hasn't made many firm posts against or for people this game, that I recall anyway. MR might be the same. Who's to say that this method doesn't condemn half the playerlist? It was only D1, after all. These things work better on later days.

(But you can go for it if you want to investigate other ISOs. I won't have time today. My weekends are busy, and COVID shifted my work schedule weirdly.)

I did compare, thought not very quantifiably. I made the point that it really looked like MR had better interactions with most other players, but when I went looking for juliets' name in his iso it took me a while to find anything and the little that was there was uninspiring. Sure there may be other players that juliets didn't talk about much, but knowing MR was bad and looking at her mention of him before EOD1 and then how she just moved on and voted sig without acknowledging the MR stuff again really looks bad in hindsight.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:35 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:07 am Alright, I'm going to take a shower and put my glasses on.

I think I've missed some post in my sporadic catch-up but the main point is that Jack's take is good. Nutella or Juliets are scum, and not both. Juliets defensive post a page or two back was full of what I'd consider AtE. "I wouldn't have signed up if I knew the end time" "You've been wrong before, you desire a town lynch" etc.
Juliets did make a point just after this that DDL is almost definitely town for coming down hard on MR. I think I like that and agree with it, though if nutella is scum I'd be worried about a pre-planned bus. It's not like DDL has gone after much of anyone else.

But on the other side of things, nutella's posts about 'I am definitely right this time so right I don't need to second guess myself' are pingy, especially with her usual predisposition toward waffling.

I probably scumread Juliets more between the two, though, as I trust myself more there. I don't know how many times I've come at nutella when we've both been town.

Jury's out on nanook and MP until I can refresh myself.
I'm not sure why you call me saying the EODs are too late for me an "appeal to emotion". Appeals to emotion try to emotionally manipulate people into not voting for the person ate'ing. Me saying the EODs are too late for my life style is not trying to appeal to people's emotions. It's saying I'm personally not going to take it hard if you decide to lynch me. It is also not an appeal to emotion to say "You've been wrong before". I mean, that is just a statement of fact. And finally, even though I wasn't ate'ing, if I was how would that make me bad? Do you have any other reasons for scum reading me?

I am not scum. Here are some posts from GOC from people who know my scum game because they've been scum with me. SVS was civ and Tranq was 3rd party. I know people have a hard time reading me but nobody knows my game better than these two:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:14 pm
And noone asked me, but I think Jules is town based on how she answered a direct question. Her activity level is not generally alignment indicative. If anything I think she might post more when bad because she worries about being a low poster blendy baddie.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:48 am I find this post reassuring, tbh. Epignosis. Bad Juliets is nervous Juliets, especially when she is in the spotlight and being pressed. I don't even remotely see that here. I see vaguely annoyed Juliets, which is civ Juliets in my book. Unless there is a big change, I won't be voting for her anytime soon.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 am Ted, i've played a lot of games with juliets. I can't claim to always read her correctly, but in this game she definately sounds civ. As SVS said, bad juliets gets nervous. I'm not seeing that here.
I have to go now but will be back this afternoon. I probably will not make it until EOD though I will try. I want to have sorted who my votes should go to before it gets to be 10:00.

Imo it's just a bad look that you went to dig these up as if a couple players' idea of your meta will help you here. And re: the last quote, I do think you look nervous here. Your only response to me felt stilted, and you haven't even responded to the actual reasons I suspect you-- your interaction history with MR (and particularly stuff around EOD1). Please talk about that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:30 am That's a fucking mindset slip if I ever saw one.

What? The "hate to admit it"? Come on man. You know I want to suspect you for so wrongly pushing me. You know I'm upset that you're not seeing me town here. So yeah, it's kind of annoying to have to accept that you're town and wrong about me and people are going to follow you because you have a history of reading me correctly and I'm gonna get mislynched. Doesn't mean I'm upset we have several near-confirmed townies. That has been a huge part of my solving process and you and DDL are making a really uncharitable assumption on me based on a couple word choices.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 am The two things bothering nutella the most:

The fact we killed a mafioso.

And the fact we have a confirmed civ.

I really don't understand where you thought these "bothered" me. I was baffled by MR's flip, yeah, and kinda upset I was wrong, but absolutely not upset we had a red flip, and I started looking into interactions as soon as I could.

And I'm also treating Jack as well as a couple other people as basically confirmed civ, which is helping me solve. I never suggested this was a bad thing.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:28 am Nutella seems really bothered by town winning this game.

Lol you haven't seen the post where I get all excited about the possibility that we can win this game this very phase if I'm right and people don't lynch me.

I don't know how you get this sense. I want town to win, and I'm solving, just not in a usual way because of how my reads have shaken out.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:23 am Not to get all hubrisy with my reads again but I really think I'm right lol. I look at the player list and feel like I have legitimately good reasons to believe most of them are town to the point that I think if we lynch juliets and the correct one of wilgy/sloonei, that's just game over we win. I keep wanting to second guess that because i really shouldn't be so confident in all the town reasons after what happened with MR, but most of them are based on much more substantial evidence now and I'm left with an easy POE. It can really be that simple sometimes, right?
Day flippin' 2: "Welp, almost everyone is town, let's just lynch lurkers I guess. I'm pretty sure all my townreads are right despite the debacle earlier and there's no reason to waffle on them."

lol, it doesn't sound great when you put it that way but it's just how I feel at this point in this game. It's unusual that I'm not waffling much, I can't really explain it except that I keep going back to the reasons I have to think people are town and they feel so solid. I'm fully aware that this sounds crazy and scummy af but it's honestly where I'm at.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”
As much as I hate to admit, this is probably true. Like, you could have pulled that as a gambit but if that's the case you deserve to win lol. I really really really want to think you are bad here because you're being so boneheadedly wrong about me, but I have to take the role thing into account and it just makes a hell of a lot more sense if you're town.

Juliets is bad though trust me. I did my homework.
Just like you did your homework on MR. You were wrong there and you are wrong here. You claim to be able to read my reactions, that is what is going on in my head such as when you said I showed no emotion when MR was killed. How do you know how I felt? Even if I was bad I would have still been shocked. I just didn't put my 'yippee' emotions in the thread. You've handed in your math homework for English class.

Anyway, I'm only concerned because we will lose a civ presence and vote if I get lynched. Personally, I asked before I signed up for this game when EODs would be and I was told 7 or 8 pm so I agreed to play. The fact that they are at 10 or 11 is a personal hardship for me and I would never have signed up had I known. We are running through our replacements so I won't try and replace out. Bottom line is personally I won't be fussed if you convince everyone I am the baddie here, even though I'm playing the same game I always play. As long as I'm in though I will fight your desire for a town lynch.

Sorry jules but this post really does not do it for me. I may be biasing a bit but I think that your tone sounds really unnatural and bad here, and you didn't even respond to the main content of my case.

still catching up

The wilgy/sloonei thing does feel kind of bad though. Like that's just empty and if they start to see that I'm onto juliets they'd have to come and try. So I probably am wrong about one person. Sigh.

Like if I'm right we legit just win this game this phase lmao.

Not to get all hubrisy with my reads again but I really think I'm right lol. I look at the player list and feel like I have legitimately good reasons to believe most of them are town to the point that I think if we lynch juliets and the correct one of wilgy/sloonei, that's just game over we win. I keep wanting to second guess that because i really shouldn't be so confident in all the town reasons after what happened with MR, but most of them are based on much more substantial evidence now and I'm left with an easy POE. It can really be that simple sometimes, right?

My suspicion of juliets before MR flipped:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:30 pm Juliets and DDL have similar problems. They haven't stood out or made any impact. I don't like that.

The more I think about it the worse I feel about juliets. She has shown the bare bones of her meta without any of the meat. Her most content-ful post was a lengthy justification of her sig vote after sig had flipped. Not great.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:33 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:43 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:08 am juliets' big moment of scumhunting this game was justifying her vote on Sig after Sig flipped.

I know it's juliets and she doesn't reallly... hunt. But I'm not sure how else we are supposed read her, assuming we can even read her.
Early game just isn't my thing. I hope that I'm better today.
DDL already called out the sig thing and she handwaved it without responding to the point.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:07 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:30 pm Juliets and DDL have similar problems. They haven't stood out or made any impact. I don't like that.

The more I think about it the worse I feel about juliets. She has shown the bare bones of her meta without any of the meat. Her most content-ful post was a lengthy justification of her sig vote after sig had flipped. Not great.
Is this what you are talking about? I can't think of a game where I've made an impact Day 1. I acknowledge that you feel bad about me because of that. My justification for my sig vote after he flipped was because speedchuck requested we ALL talk about why we voted for the person we did. I don't know why you would see that as a bad thing.
It was an overly elaborate justification, and the only content you've produced. I get that it was answering a question, but one would think you could produce content that thorough about living players at some point.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:16 pm I've got some swirling thoughts about DDL and juliets mixed in there as well. I'd love to hear more from both of them and especially about each other and Hyena/Nanook.

Then MR flipped and I started to think about her in relation to him:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:12 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:07 pm @nutella, regarding Nanook:

He started the game out as the same Nanook I know from previous games where he's been civ. One liners and such.

He said he thought Tony was town because Tony leaned town for his thinking Alex Jones was town after you and Nanook said differently. I thought that was a decent read.

Said he was pro-lurker kills which for whatever reason surprised me but I didn't read that as bad.

He did not town read 112 as town because of her progression on MR and felt it was a way to just get him (Nanook) out of the game. He also said if he had his choice he would vote her or sig. I read 112 as town but we don't have to agree on reads to both be civs. Also, her progression on MR did turn out to be wrong. I could see why someone said he could have been on a team that killed her.

He didn't like your thoughts on needing to lynch MP because he would be impossible to get out later. I didn't really like that either so I don't see that as wrong headed.

Made a deal with Hyena to self preserve by voting for MR. It's not AI, he could have done that good or bad but I can't hold that against him. He then voted sig to self preserve and avoid a tie, I think that was in the last minutes.

Then there is the disagreement between you and he. I don't know what to make of that honestly. I don't think I've ever seen Nanook that frustrated. I don't know whether thats something that happens when he's bad or he's town or it's NAI. Can someone who's played with Nanook when he's bad weigh in on whether you see this as AI?

So in the end, I'm not seeing anything saying "scum" to mean loud letters but nutella I know you feel differently. It would be helpful if you could give me your read on his game so far.
Okay, thanks for responding. I need to think about him some more in light of the MR flip but in the case he is scum I do think that you are compatible with him which is why I asked for this. Will have to come back to this topic in a bit

And then later I did the actual interactive analysis and felt kinda like I struck gold.

How you can apply the term "opportunistic" to any of this is beyond me.

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