The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
This is actually a terrible look for Speed.
Like just as I’d expect Mac’s team to not want to lynch Sig, then Mac, I’d expect Sig’s team to not want to lynch Mac then Sig.

Speed has now made two posts about Sig not being mafia after Mac’s flip.

Ah hmmm indeed yes quite

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

You think it's a fake derp clear?

Speaking of which, now that G-Man's vote switch made me suspect him of being on AM again, I also think G-Man may have fake-derped when he was asking about which teams we thought mac and sig were on. Like, that was a pretty basic bit of information that should have been abundantly clear if he read anything. I don't want to seem like I'm shaming him for not reading but it just seems potentially sketchy to me and like he might have been pretending not to know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:39 pm sig's still a top suspect.
I don't understand Sloonei.
This was exactly the point about Sig having tmi about the mafia shooting the opposing bulletproof wolf.

This is the Mac flip that confirms Sig as scum and one of the reasons I pushed to lynch him first.

The other was to force the other wolf team to react and boy howdy did they.

TH for instance basically claimed wolf. Sloonei did himself no favors. I would not at all be surprised if the fourth voted Sig. Sprityo, Tony and myself basically clear of being on the master team.

I'm lost

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.
No, he is exactly who sig thought he was.
Then why isn't everyone like 'ltnch sig immediately'

I mean, I basically am still like that, lol. But there's still a chance sig is a town info role as has been suggested, so he knew Mac's role but wasn't on the team that targeted him or whatever, or he knew that Mac was targeted, or something. Idk. I still think it's pretty damning that he seemed to know both mac's role and that he was targeted, and I think occam's razor is that sig is still bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm The Anti-Matter Universe takes its toll on everyone from our universe.

Subtle, intricate physical laws are constantly being broken down and restructured.

A Curse has been cast, and it will result in hardship and turmoil... and evil.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

No, he is exactly who sig thought he was.

Sending lots of love to Audrey and family

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:34 pm We can now do two sets of interactive isos. This may literally kill me.

Yeah, it'll get you lynched!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:07 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:17 pm @MacDougall I just did a command F through Jack's ISO looking for mentions of sabie. The first mention I found of her he is saying he can't read her until late game which could be a way to avoid talking about her but then he goes on to suspect her, mentioning her in several different posts. There is one post that gives me pause even though he was joking when he replied to her by saying "Be quiet and get under the bus". Funny but hmmm.

Is your thought that he was trying to distance from her or did you have something specific in mind with regard to their connection that I couldn't see in his ISO?

lots of linki
I actually think this is a good look for Juliets. Like it looks not teamed with Mac at any rate. She probably doesn’t hit my top three Mac teammate suspects.
This is maybe the most gullible thing I’ve ever said but whatever.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:05 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:03 pm If jack is mafia he's anti-monitors with sprityo.

Other team is a mix at the moment

Sloonie I'll respond to your case tomorrow have more free time then and friday
Yeah I didn’t mean right now. Whenever you have time.

Unless you plan on killing me tonight.

Go for it tbh [mention]sig[/mention] we need the two teams to whittle each other down

G-man vote switch is yikes

Mac better flip wolf here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:37 pm When I think about lynching Jack I

It would be funny tho. He'd be all :surprised pikachu face:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:38 pm Tbh I don’t have strong feelings on most players. It’s better than D1 obviously but multiball and games this big are both kinda stupid so

This is a mood tbh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:31 pm Nutella flipping 3p
I think that's a good argument that his bi-directional read on nutella was genuine. I'm not sure it had to be civilian-genuine.

Oh it was an answer to a question hahahahh I thought Nanook thought I was 3p again.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:31 pm Nutella flipping 3p

Already did that fam

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:21 pm Honestly fact solid mac ppl dropped it makes me think he mat mot ve mafia

.....Bork bork?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:08 pm I took it as a rhetorical.
I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?
I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.
Like I said, I've had bigger fish to fry. Sloonei hasn't been my top priority yet, and some of my suspicion of him is linked to your alignment (though not all of it). I haven't felt much pressing need to convince other people yet, though I did bring it up when Tony was discussing who could be your teammates, as that will become a necessary conversation soon.
I was answering Jay

I know. Am I not allowed to talk about myself:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:08 pm I took it as a rhetorical.
I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?
I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

Like I said, I've had bigger fish to fry. Sloonei hasn't been my top priority yet, and some of my suspicion of him is linked to your alignment (though not all of it). I haven't felt much pressing need to convince other people yet, though I did bring it up when Tony was discussing who could be your teammates, as that will become a necessary conversation soon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:09 pm Watching nutella and mac fight about how much they suspect me is the culmination of my entire mafia life and it's absolutely delightful.
I do believe I suspect you more

Impossible!

Or maybe you actually just know that he's bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:03 pm All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?
Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

The caveat being that the anti monitor's kills can't be protected, so if sig isn't that role this plan might not work. Also it looks like the other remaining role on that team has a switching power that could also potentially screw it up. Hmph.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:03 pm All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:00 pm Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.
What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Yeah Mac. You know I do this to Sloonei like every single game, exactly like this, right? I call him a suspect all game but somehow never get around to lynching him, because nobody else cares and because he's helpful anyway. He often turns out to be town and I feel silly, but I've been right enough times not to discard it. It'll go somewhere in due time if it must.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:54 pm Oh I said sig instead of Radish. You know what I meant, silly.

Suuuuuuuure

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:23 pm Nutella talk to me about Sloonei and vice versa.
He's your teammate lol. He could be on the master team even if you're not.
See this is what I mean. You are comfortable slagging off Sloonei in a way only teammates are. You've been saying this stuff for ages and haven't bothered doing anything with it. You're just distancing.
Nah. I've just had bigger fish to fry. He's helping with the sig thing. I'll come for him once the AM team is neutralized as per Dizzy's plan.

You're doing the same thing sig did, trying to link one of your teammates to a civ.
I hope that my towniness will show through once sig’s team is neutralized anyway, so whatever.
How would that even make sense
I’m fucking crushing it right now, but most of my efforts are gravitating towards one team. Once they’re gone, the tinfoil can be lifted from me.

No, that's consistent with you being on the Master team. Once you also crush the Master team, perhaps you meant

But of course you could bus all your partners and claim the credit.... that's far fetched tho, especially since I've already got you on notice.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:23 pm Nutella talk to me about Sloonei and vice versa.
He's your teammate lol. He could be on the master team even if you're not.
See this is what I mean. You are comfortable slagging off Sloonei in a way only teammates are. You've been saying this stuff for ages and haven't bothered doing anything with it. You're just distancing.
Nah. I've just had bigger fish to fry. He's helping with the sig thing. I'll come for him once the AM team is neutralized as per Dizzy's plan.

You're doing the same thing sig did, trying to link one of your teammates to a civ.
I hope that my towniness will show through once sig’s team is neutralized anyway, so whatever.

How would that even make sense

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:30 pm Sig what's your Jack read?
If there are farts on your wagon who are they
Jack and Sprityo are the main contenders.
gimme a quick sentence on Jack
Jack has equity with Sabie and Radishes. Jack is the primary catalyst of this wagon formation. Jack doesn't care about the roof.
k. Fuck the word "equity" straight to hell, but re: sig sure. I didn't look at sabie. I'll look at sabie.
Jay slipped! Get him fam.

lolololool

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:30 pm Sig what's your Jack read?
If there are farts on your wagon who are they
Jack and Sprityo are the main contenders.
gimme a quick sentence on Jack
Jack has equity with Sabie and Radishes. Jack is the primary catalyst of this wagon formation. Jack doesn't care about the roof.

Yeah this checks out. I had been townreading him earlier but mainly for generic/stylistic reasons, and I do kind of get the sense that he hasn't been really trying to do the legwork of hunting.

Scum the lot of you.

I think you know I'm town here Mac. Pretending you don't is a bad look.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:23 pm Nutella talk to me about Sloonei and vice versa.
He's your teammate lol. He could be on the master team even if you're not.
See this is what I mean. You are comfortable slagging off Sloonei in a way only teammates are. You've been saying this stuff for ages and haven't bothered doing anything with it. You're just distancing.

Nah. I've just had bigger fish to fry. He's helping with the sig thing. I'll come for him once the AM team is neutralized as per Dizzy's plan.

You're doing the same thing sig did, trying to link one of your teammates to a civ.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:33 pm My smoking gun with sig is a specific moment in his handling of Radishes: during sig’s lone Day 2 post, he suggests that he had laid out his thoughts on Radishes in an ISO somewhere, but a thorough investigation of sig’s posts reveals absolutely no substantiated read on Radishes. If there’s a slip, it’s that. It has the feel of a player who had intended to produce a bullshit case on his teammate, but then never got around to it and simply forgot that was the case.

That's a pretty decent thought. I'd say another major issue is the whole thing about nanook being linked to radish and how he has characterized that in retrospect. It's contradictory and everything about it smells like bullshit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:23 pm Nutella talk to me about Sloonei and vice versa.

He's your teammate lol. He could be on the master team even if you're not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:52 pm Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Ummmmmm spicy?

I mean, Jack is among the pool I would consider for the anti monitor team, I guess

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:30 pm Also also everyone's gonna feel really dumb that they're not picking up what I was laying down role wise and gonna mislynch me again. But this always happens on goc so whatever like I said I was pissed about it still am but not like this be the first, second, or like fifth time I'm mislynchredfor dumb shit

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:37 pm Oh and there are like 7 ways a civ could get info on a night kill just saying.

Not that that was even a main feature of my case. I'm literally being lynched off of 2 posts and a minor theory I made at like 0 dark thirty as I was brainstorming something like I said I do all the time and almost everyone on wasvon should be aware of that.

.....Well now I'm paranoid that there's still a chance I'm wrong about you. Don't do that.

I think you're prob just fearmongering tho. LIke I guess there's a chance you have a civ role that means you knew mac was the target. It's possible, and I'll feel real bad if it turns out to be the case. But the way you've phrased like "oh, look there are various mechanics that could be at play here" has not come across as honest to me. So I'm sticking to my guns. If I'm wrong, I'll be pissed but we will catch Mac.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:23 pm Nutella's playing both side today points to anti monitor or 3p.

She went from solidly civ reading me to jumping off then being very gloaty about it.

Aslo even with dizzy probably being civ thete isnt a reason to take his word as god watch the people who did and have no other reasoning when I'm mislynched.
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Lmao the idea that you actually believe I'm anything but town here is laughable. You don't believe a word you're saying. You're caught and flailing.

But we need it to be more than that.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] maybe? We have a good reason not to have a tie here fam.

Dizzy's plan to isolate the last person on the AM team is awesome. I think that we should give sig a comfortable lead in case he has the minus vote thing. If any mac voters could be convinced.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:36 pm TH, Colin, Sloonei.

Just bus Mac tomorrow kthx.

I actually love this as a proposed set of teammates

I think juliets has a chance of being in there too. but these are good calls.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] Mac is on the full remaining (Master) team, sig is on the Radish/Sabie (Anti-Monitor) team

oh I ..... didn't know that
lol

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:14 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:45 pm I pulled up these two posts to respond to them but never did while I was catching up. A minor colin gripe:
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:28 pm Would lynch based on Radishes flip: sabie, Jack

Would not lynch based on Radishes flip: Sloonei, Jay, Mac

I’m leery of Dom. A lot of his posts seem to be making points/arguments that expose someone’s bad logic but are not actual scumhunting. This in tandem with his tendency to just say “you’re scum” to people, in place of a crafted argument, gives me heeby jeebies. It is entirely possible I’m projecting because I butted heads with him so I’d like others to check him out.
"Would not lynch" is language for a 1-scum-team game. It's forgivable if Colin simply reverted back to normal habits here, but the word choice caught my eye and I want to highlight it. I agree with the assessment that Jay and Mac (and me) are not likely to be on Radishes' team, but that's not the same as saying I "would not lynch" either of the other two. I probably won't vote to lynch myself today.
This is a good enough point that I wondered if I was, in fact, scum, but it’s just me being imprecise with language. What I should have said was “Based on how Radishes’ lynch went down, these are not his teammates” and not “would not lynch” because the latter implies an ultimate townread when in reality it’s not.

Yikes.........

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:39 am there's so many places where sig could've gotten the information on Mac being scum if you even want to make it about that. btsc, him being lassie, tracker / watcher.

From what I understood, his suspicion came from a place of him believing mac targeted him along with sprit's sudden push on him, which he called sprit scum for, which I can follow through. Sprit's vote and push is completely nonsensical unless he has TMI and I don't see anything scummy about connecting the dots that way?

lassie doesn't have to do with anything? lassie's target is public in the thread lol and it wasn't mac

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:12 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am What if Dizzy's ghost was possessed by someone else tho
What Dizzy did was put together information that was available in the thread and put it together in a way that made sense. Dizzy did not info dump new information or tell us a tale using secret dead guy knowledge.

Plus as Jules says, there is no role for it. True there are secrets, but possessing a ghost to tell people info that is already in the thread to get sig lynched, well, they could just do that themselves. If Dizzy tried to push knowledge from the grave, I could totally be on board with this "possession" bit, but Dizzy did not do this.

A reread of you is part of my push to reassess my reads, and this post literally made my left eyebrow try to shoot into my hairline, lol. I might make a detour into Doms tunnel

Uh I'm pretty sure that was just a joke? Not a reason to accuse TH of anything but being a sassy bitch tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:48 am That sucks about your phone. Is it a water issue, or just bricked out of nowhere?

just out of nowhere. luckily I was just within warranty by like a month lol so I'm getting a replacement sent to me tomorrow. but damn even a day without a phone is annoying af

ghostella's phone says rezz please

I meant to go to bed but instead I'm panicking because my phone has suffered some kind of fatal bug and is dead forever and I can't deal with this shit in my life right now so I'm awake.

Unless you're saying we should in fact lynch the one we're less sure of first in order to confirm the other. Idk.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:55 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:52 am Like, I think if sig is scum then that team definitely targeted mac n1, but there is some minuscule chance that there was another reason mac survived which provoked sig's theory. But very low.
So then why in the name of all holy things would we ever lynch Sig over Mac?

Look, there’s a lot going on here, but I think at least this much is clear.

I think you must be reading something wrong because my post literally implies that mac could still be town if sig is scum, not the other way around. I am more confident that sig is scum.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:05 am Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

Right, Tony, it's more the opposite, idk how you interpreted my post to the conclusion that we should lynch mac first -- I'm saying sig is more surely scum than mac.

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