The Syndicate

Keep in mind that Nova and Speed have penalty votes so Nova is currently at 3 and Speed is at 4. I do not have a penalty vote, neither does DF

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:00 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:58 pm In my mind right now, Chuck and DF are the most suspish. Not sure which one to vote for.

I'd vote for DFaraday. I don't want to lynch nutella.

Cool, gonna move that vote then?

Probably, but I'm not going to just randomly put it somewhere else without thinking about it though. Where should I put it hmmm?

Ideally Nova atm to put me out of danger, but if enough people vote for DF I wouldn't protest that either

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:00 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:58 pm In my mind right now, Chuck and DF are the most suspish. Not sure which one to vote for.

I'd vote for DFaraday. I don't want to lynch nutella.

Cool, gonna move that vote then?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:56 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:19 pm I made a post that seemed to have gotten lost, but basically I read the roles on Day 1 and today I misremembered how Dru worked.
Lap, I too would like to know why my reason stood out to you from the Loop voters.

I originally was thinking like LA, but with this answer, I'm not buying it. If you didn't know the show, I'd believe this. But you do--and it makes no sense based on story line that Drusilla would stop being a vampire.

Yeah I didn't like DF's answer much either, but more because he said he misremembered it from reading a while ago rather than having misread it quickly. I don't know, somehow just makes less sense to me.


Moved my vote back to speedchuck because I am suddenly in danger. I implore you guys not to lynch me. Really bad idea.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:49 pm Do we have a list of everyone who didn't vote yesterday?

Linki: @nutella I find your lack of defending yourself also jarring. Are you doing the defend by scum hunting thing or what? You're right on the precipice of being lynched here too and have barely batted an eyelid since picking up votes.

To be honest I haven't really noticed that I'm in danger. I don't have a penalty vote so I saw that nova was ahead of me but now I do see that I suddenly have several votes.

Don't lynch me. Seriously. I could say the same thing speedchuck said but you probably wouldn't take that very well. But it's absolutely true for me. I've actually hinted at my role twice already. Also I think Lorab might have an idea of it.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:46 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:24 pm I'm going to go ahead and put a pressure vote on lapluie to explain how she narrowed down the Loop voters to DFaraday. If I missed her explanation for this I want her to point it out. If thats explained to my satisfaction I will probably vote for nova. It really looks like he is not reading the game as he has missed so many things and that to me is suspicious.

Sorry, this progidous paced game is overwhelming, I read back & found that a few others gave same examples to why their votes were for loop, but DFaraday seemed the most scummy to me, regarding a line of which consisted of saying how those who vote & not partake with interactions are worse than the ones who don't do either.. if I rememeber correctly, which is not true at all. I've played games where this happens quite a bit however loop was genuinely seemingly distraught by the game & lost on how to play, they were new & loop voters took that as bad & proceeded to take advantage.

if I'm reading this correctly you're saying that drive-by voters who don't post anything are less suspicious than people who don't show up at all? How does that figure?? Someone who has enough motivation to come and drop a vote without saying anything seems likely to be bad, whereas someone who hasn't shown up at all is completely null.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:44 pm I find it a little weird that nutella has helped drive this wagon and now isn't on it.

Well at this point he's still probably going to be lynched anyway. But I am having doubts. Maybe I'm just gullible but I'd hate to lynch a good town role if he is telling the truth. I just can't quite figure out how he could be from the roles so it's probably something secret and that makes me wary it could be some fake baddie/indie power but.... ugh idk man I just hate when people do claim gambits like this because I always fall for them

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:35 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:09 pm I'm done. I don't have time to defend against arguments that don't exist, and I apparently can't start up discussion toward lynching someone else without getting suspected.

I recognize Nutella came in and gave some reasons that I'm supposedly bad. The tone of the argument she gave has me waffling on my read of her, even if her arguments are full of it. I regret nothing that I have done in this game.
That's my meta. I never get suspected early in the game when I'm scum. Why? Because I know what I'm doing when scum. This is going to keep my meta rock solid, looks like.

SVS has left me no avenue for escape. There is probably scum on my train.

Good luck with the nightkills, because the only thing you're going to get with your lynches at this rate is shot in the foot, over and over again.


I leave with one concession, toward @nutella and @S~V~S. If you somehow back off and let me live this one night, I can townfirm myself to you without claiming.

Strong Townreads: Sig, Kylemii
Light townreads: Macdougall, Lorab, lapluie

I don't think that I believe that you're Willow, which is the only role that would make sense.

Yeah if this is what he's claiming he's full of shit

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:38 pm Voting Wilgy because although he is often goofy I feel like he usually says at least something somewhat on topic by now, and because I don't want to vote out Loop before they have had a chance to play-- but please @Loop don't be shy, you can't just vote to play you have to post

This post is weird, but seeing how Loop didn't flip mafia it isn't as bad as earlier. I still find it strange you voted for Wilgy when he's never on topic day 1. Are you Glory.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:02 pm Or vote for Nova since two people will be lynched anyway

I'm not sure I like this, why Nova? Is there a reason for this vote or just because they're not as active.

Nope, not Glory. I voted for Wilgy primarily because he was up against Loop and I wanted to give Loop a chance to play, and I felt I had enough reason to vote Wilgy because he usually says at least *something* on topic D1.

And I'm cool with voting Nova because he does not seem to be playing with a civ mindset. The first on topic post he made since Day 0 was when he noticed there was a vote on him and he asked for a reason when it had already been given -- like he only felt the need to say anything when he was getting votes. And he keeps defending his lack of content and votes even though it has been explained to him dozens of times now why it is counterproductive.

Mmmmm I just read the roles again and am not so sure I trust speed anymore... I don't see a way he could be telling the truth unless it's in buffy's secrets or whatever the mystery xander power is.


Also when rereading them I just noticed how the Anya role is worded and is that something we're all supposed to do? send wishes? I must have missed that, and I'm not sure I understand it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:09 pm I leave with one concession, toward @nutella and @S~V~S. If you somehow back off and let me live this one night, I can townfirm myself to you without claiming.

Oh god I hate this kind of thing.... because I always want to believe it and give it a chance. But I feel like it's also a classic way to get out of a lynch... and what if some secret ability he has can fake-"townfirm" him?

Ugh okay I think I'll move my vote to nova and give you the chance if you survive today. But if I'm not convinced after the night phase you're toast.

Huge wtf.

You can't allow gambits like that to work. It's like negotiating with terrorists. Next thing every lynch candidate is going to post that and we'll only be left lynching people who can't defend themselves.

Well, in this specific situation, with this setup and specifically from speedchuck, I believe it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:10 pm @macdougall to be honest, I thought he was going to go for them before he went for the Loop voter defenders, but he was kind of headed off at the pass. Same with the Loop voter defenders. I worded it poorly, and I think both Chuck and Nutella knew what I meant. His very first post after the lynch, about how did Loop get islynched, felt like a gauntlet to me.

I'm sorry I don't follow. You thought he was going for who before? And what post did he make after the lynch are you referring to? I can't find one that fits... Are you talking about speedchuck or someone else?

She means that she thought speed was accusing the loop voters when he asked for a tldr on why loop was lynched

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:09 pm I leave with one concession, toward @nutella and @S~V~S. If you somehow back off and let me live this one night, I can townfirm myself to you without claiming.

Oh god I hate this kind of thing.... because I always want to believe it and give it a chance. But I feel like it's also a classic way to get out of a lynch... and what if some secret ability he has can fake-"townfirm" him?

Ugh okay I think I'll move my vote to nova and give you the chance if you survive today. But if I'm not convinced after the night phase you're toast.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

How is it that you can feel like SVS is putting words in speedchuck's mouth but not be sceptical of her because of it? That seems like the kind of nugget one would require to formulate a read in a game of clandestine murder and betrayal such as this.

wait what? I never said anything about my read on SVS.

That's the point. You say that she put words in speedchuck's mouth but I haven't seen an utterance of a negative read on her. That's the kind of thing that usually creates a ping and a mafia read for me. Misrepresenting people is how scum make cases.

Oh, well other than that I've gotten a civ vibe from SVS. I think it is more likely she was either misremembering or wording things badly than deliberately putting words in his mouth, I just made this post to set the record straight.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:57 pm @novaselinenever the penalty vote was mentioned in the lynch post. Everyone who missed the vote on D1 started D2 with a vote on them. You have an extra vote against you.

Well, I missed that too. Thank you.

A question though, do they accumulate ? For example, if someone already has a vote penalty on them and proceeds to not vote again. Would they have 2 votes on them next day phase ?

That's up to the hosts. They might or might not give you an answer. Really it would be smartest and safest of you to just use your vote and stop being unreasonably contentious about it.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:03 pm I feel like that could be DF being mafia, but I don't see why Nutella would defend him unless they're both mafia members. Which seems odd.

linki: nutella is just pinging my scumradar/gut read

It bothered me that people were jumping to conclusions about a "slip" because it seemed highly unlikely and an opportunistic thing to jump on. When something like that has a perfectly reasonable explanation I like to point it out and make sure people realize it.

Why else am I pinging you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

How is it that you can feel like SVS is putting words in speedchuck's mouth but not be sceptical of her because of it? That seems like the kind of nugget one would require to formulate a read in a game of clandestine murder and betrayal such as this.

wait what? I never said anything about my read on SVS.

Or vote for Nova since two people will be lynched anyway

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:58 pm Someone tell me who to vote for.

See my long quotey post about speedchuck and see what you think

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] the penalty vote was mentioned in the lynch post. Everyone who missed the vote on D1 started D2 with a vote on them. You have an extra vote against you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:32 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:19 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:00 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:18 pm @Tranq Mind explaining your vote on me ?

Tranq has gone for the night as he said in his last post. He explained his vote for you in another post - have you read them? You haven't made any posts besides this one since Day 0 and it kinda feels like you are avoiding the game because you are posting elsewhere. S~V~S asked you your thoughts on the game but you haven't responded. It would be helpful to me if you would. I can see why Tranq voted for you and I could consider a vote here as well.

link

I must have missed them then. I'm not really avoiding the game, I'm just a quiet player and don't post unless I have something to contribute. At the moment, I don't and that's why you haven't heard my thoughts. Also, S-V-S never mentioned me in a post or I didn't get the notification.

Me posting in another game and not in this one doesn't mean anything. You could always check that game and you'd see that I didn't post early in the game when I didn't have anything to add.

I tend not to use the mention function; this is my first game back for a 6 month or so break and we did not have it back them. I also work on the assumption that people read the thread. Sorry about that.

Not sure if you realized but the host in this game penalizes for missed votes.

You're assumption is right, I do read the thread and try to keep up with it. As should anyone. However, I missed your mention and I just did an iso on you to find it. You actually asked twice but they were buried in a post not addressing me. I must have been not paying much attention.

Just tag me next time you want to hear from me. Or vote me up, I wont' miss that.

If you're reading the thread how did you miss Tranq's explanation of his vote for you? I guess you didn't even check his ISO before you made the post asking him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:59 pm I would like the people that suspect me to give me a reason, then reference the post that gave them that reason. Because all I see is a bunch of bullcrap, and this will be the first time since I joined the syndicate that I have been lynched for no reason whatsoever.

If they cannot follow the above instructions, I ask that they move their vote to someone they have some legitimate suspicion of.

Okay.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

I don't like your accusation of Tranq and Ambray. It doesn't even make sense to accuse them of making "excuses" or "justifications" when they are literally admitting that they would probably have voted for someone who turned out to be a civ. They were not responsible for the mislynch. They don't have to make excuses. You calling them out for being honest looks contrived as hell.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:38 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

What's wrong with people who voted discussing how they would have voted after a mislynch? It would be suspicious had they said they would NOT have voted for him. Like I said, had he not been lynched yesterday, I likely would have voted for Loop tomorrow if he kept up the same behavior.

Nothing is wrong with people discussing how they would have voted... other than the fact that they know the result now, so anything they say is going to be skewed toward protecting their image. But aside from that...

I suppose I should have been more specific. Is someone suspecting the Loop voters? Because both Ambray and Tranq are defending the Loop voters unprompted, and I want an explanation for it.

I also want to know why Tranq basically copied Ambray's post.

Please let Tranq and Ambray answer my prod.

linki: Well there's an unsatisfying sort-of-almost-answer

Oh, so now they're defending the Loop voters? Seems to me like this time you were the one twisting someone else's words. This was not a valid suspicion and you knew it but tried to back yourself up.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:44 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:37 pm speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched"

Did Lap do that? They might have been defensive toward that.

I wasn't flinging suspicion with my question. I just wasn't here. I didn't want defense, just an answer.

I get that. You just seem to be assuming a different premise here. I don't think the posts you are prodding were defenses. They were simply stating where they probably would have voted. Why would someone who missed the vote "defend" by admitting they would have gone with what is now known to have been a mislynch?

Here I make the point that it literally makes no sense to suspect people for admitting after the fact that they would have gone along with a mislynch. You never acknowledged or responded to this post. But you silently moved away from the topic.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Then there was this just out of the blue. Ok dude. I guess you backed off of Tranq and Ambray, ok, fine. Why Juliets? "Until I have a reason not to" -- lmao, that's exactly what I said later about my vote for you and you strung me up for it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:51 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

I was ISOing players and she was the first high poster who I did not get a single town ping from. Her posts are mostly mechspec and prodding toward others.

I don't recall Juliets's meta, so this may be normal for her. Nevertheless, the vote is on the board, and I want to see what she does about it. Clock is ticking.

Again, you say you have no reason to believe she's town but you could be wrong. Again, pretty similar to what I later said about you and you flipped out.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:59 pm I would like the people that suspect me to give me a reason, then reference the post that gave them that reason. Because all I see is a bunch of bullcrap, and this will be the first time since I joined the syndicate that I have been lynched for no reason whatsoever.

If they cannot follow the above instructions, I ask that they move their vote to someone they have some legitimate suspicion of.

Lemme just quote this post again for fun. You really don't want to get lynched "for no reason" because, sure, that would suck if you were town and mislynched for no reason, but it would also suck if you were bad and felt that your lynch was not justified. It's a pretty common scum sentiment to get annoyed if you feel like you're being lynched for the wrong reasons and don't feel that the town deserves "getting lucky" with your lynch.

So there you have it. You prompting me to make this post has made me 200% more confident in my vote for you. Lynching you for no reason? No sir. Definitely not.


Lynch the chuck.

OK I gotta go tutor a fourth grader I'll be back in about an hour and a half

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:27 pm Putting my vote on speed for now. I could be reading him wrong since he tends to have a similar style regardless of alignment, but my thinking is that if he's bad he's a pretty scary one to have around late in the game so I'd rather not take that chance if I have any reason to suspect him.

This is the worst vote post I have ever seen in my life.

Bold assertion. Why?

Let me rephrase it into what I thought I saw:

"I don't know how to read chuck because he always looks the same, so maybe he's not bad, but he's a good player so I'm gonna kill him. Don't blame me if he's town."

I can be a scary town player too. But yes, you probably know that already.

I didn't say "don't blame me if he's town." I'd feel bad if you were town and would absolutely deserve getting some blame for it. So yes, I admit I could be reading you wrong, but I feel like I have enough reason to suspect you at the moment and it's more than I have on anyone else for today. I don't have any better reason to vote for anyone else so I'm voting for you. Capiche?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:27 pm Putting my vote on speed for now. I could be reading him wrong since he tends to have a similar style regardless of alignment, but my thinking is that if he's bad he's a pretty scary one to have around late in the game so I'd rather not take that chance if I have any reason to suspect him.

This is the worst vote post I have ever seen in my life.

Bold assertion. Why?

I'm fine with speed and nova being our two lynches atm

Putting my vote on speed for now. I could be reading him wrong since he tends to have a similar style regardless of alignment, but my thinking is that if he's bad he's a pretty scary one to have around late in the game so I'd rather not take that chance if I have any reason to suspect him.

okay I'm going to try this again. Anyone who thinks DF "slipped" has not thought about it for more than thirty seconds and is being painfully opportunistic. He clearly just misread the sentence, go look at the role description, it is easy enough to misinterpret on a quick glance. This makes him actively LESS likely to be on the vampire team. juliets, ambray, if you are seriously trying to push the idea that he slipped one of you is going to get my vote.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:26 pm I agree with speed that lap is town, but I agree with svs that speed is sus.

I think DF simply misread the drusilla-spike recruitment sentence (like switched the pronouns in his mind or something and interpreted it backwards) and I think he is unlikely to be on the vampire team

hey @Kylemii what are your thoughts?

Hey, sorry. My attention has been largely focused on a different game which is currently at a somewhat critical juncture. For about 2/3 of the next 5.5 hours this game will be my #1 priority.

earlier i wanted to look through marmot's posts to see if I can see what spike might have seen in him so i'm going to start there.

spoiler alert he has zero on-topic posts they are all about being away for the weekend and missing the beginning of the game and then dying as soon as he got back

Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

I agree with speed that lap is town, but I agree with svs that speed is sus.

I think DF simply misread the drusilla-spike recruitment sentence (like switched the pronouns in his mind or something and interpreted it backwards) and I think he is unlikely to be on the vampire team

hey [mention]Kylemii[/mention] what are your thoughts?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

I think her bad game is wafflier and more tentative than she is here. She doesn't enjoy lying, and you can see it.

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect. You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person. You looked to be trying to link Ambray and Tranqs posts about how they might have voted Loop as well, like they were BTS slips.

Now Juliets, when that did not pan out for you.

Between that and just my feel for you, how you backed down. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

I have to reread that exchange again, and I want to read a few other people. I really REALLY REALLY want to hear from Lapluie, she HAS to have some thought by now, any thought. Also Vaseline, any thoughts?

Good insights here. I could vote for chuckles.

ok yeah Marmot could have been Anya or Oz or otherwise a baddie or indy

Oh my god what a wild bloodbath

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:27 am Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Holy crap....

[mention]Illyria[/mention] there's an isolate button next to everyone's posts that will show that person's posts in the thread. But yeah no lap hasn't given an answer for her glory vote.

[mention]LoRab[/mention] LC already answered that it may or may not have been a tie and we don't get to know

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:49 pm Illy and Hazlenut... Why did you try to kill me?

I wanted to give Loop a chance to play. And you weren't looking great on D1. Give us some thoughts.

On another note, can someone explain to me why so many people are voting for Angelus? He's literally a member of the scum team in this game? Seems likely even more dangerous than the Dark Willow speculation imo.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:37 pm speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched"

Did Lap do that? They might have been defensive toward that.

I wasn't flinging suspicion with my question. I just wasn't here. I didn't want defense, just an answer.

I get that. You just seem to be assuming a different premise here. I don't think the posts you are prodding were defenses. They were simply stating where they probably would have voted. Why would someone who missed the vote "defend" by admitting they would have gone with what is now known to have been a mislynch?

I'm not seeing what speed is seeing tbh. I think Ambray's and Tranq's comments were completely reasonable to say after these events and especially in the context of the discussion -- speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched" and then SVS explained some of the reasoning, and then some people who missed the vote added that they thought the reasons for voting loop seemed valid at the time and they probably would have gone along with it. Nothing wrong with that.

Heck, I voted Wilgy and I don't blame the Loop voters. I was almost convinced by Lorab's theory that he was a baddie who found out House of Wax was the option for his team and drive-by voted... though on the other hand I think it's pretty rare nowadays for teams to just be told that a certain night poll option benefits them, but still even without that the drive-by vote without posting could be indicative of a nervous baddie (in this case I think it was just a nervous/overwhelmed new player unfamiliar with our ways)

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:19 am Fixed

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 am Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

I have no idea. I didn't play that game. I think I remember hearing about WIllow turning bad in it, but was there no indication at all of some secret aspect of her role? I guess the hosts would want to be very sneaky about that. I suppose it's possible.

Oh, you think voting Dark Willow might affect her independently of the fact that Tara died... eh. Maybe, but I don't think it would be bad. I guess I could be wrong.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn bad.

For this night poll should I vote for who I think is scariest or who I like more as a character or who I like more as a story device or.... god I don't know I'm going with Dark Willow for now because I like Willow and I like S6 and also Tara just died so that seems relevant?

Oh no bad result

Super what now?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:53 pm 24 hour days really do feel too short sometimes.

Also true in real life

11/20 players voted. Lame. I do have to admit the deadline kind of snuck up on me too-- 24 hour days really do feel too short sometimes. I wonder if in future side missions we could make an exception for day 1.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:45 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:43 pm Loop is clearly bad at this point.

Seems likely. Could also be that they don't know how to play and don't know that posting is not optional. @Loop can you defend yourself at all? have you played mafia before? why did you vote for house of wax? what is going on

Seems likely but you didn't move your vote? Interesting if he does flip bad.

I realize that if he does flip bad I'll look very bad but I just wanted to give them the botd and give them a chance to post, maybe they're in over their head and haven't really figured out how to get in on the discussion. I don't like lynching new players before they have had a chance to experience the game.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:43 pm Loop is clearly bad at this point.

Seems likely. Could also be that they don't know how to play and don't know that posting is not optional. [mention]Loop[/mention] can you defend yourself at all? have you played mafia before? why did you vote for house of wax? what is going on

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] dude you've been online and posting in other games, did you not realize this started?