The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Long Con wrote:Actually, it's funny. I started out in Mafia on the now-defunct Lostpedia Forums. My original name there was Cerberus, but I got banned and came back as Long Con.

That is actually pretty hilarious. I now see that the long con is that you were secretly someone they banned. Did that ever get revealed?

That is exactly the Long Con of it. I even made up a fake name (James Dealer) and signed up under his email and Photobucket account. It's still my main Photobucket to this day. By the time it was revealed, I was too integrated into the community to consider re-banning for some old grudgey shit.

Epignosis wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Okay obviously I am not gonna catch so I will try starting from the end and working my way back.

Hey Silver. Want to help lynch a possible Reaver and probable Scummy neutral? Vote Epignosis!

A reaver? What the hell is that?

You are Cerberus, and I think Long Con is too. You tried to kill me. It failed. So you made up this bullshit role block story.

You are bad.

DrWilgy wrote:Hazelnut you should switch, but review my ISO first.

He's here so this cfd wouldn't be out of nowhere. Nothing Gfish has said or done convinced me that he's good. He has convinced me that he thinks his role claim should be good enough for me to let him slide.

gfishfunk wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote: While I get your point about town value the fact that you think neutrals and scum hold the same value for the town is crazy. Scum should be worth negative as they actively lower the net value of the town.

And while I think your argument is good that a scum-friendly neutral is a better lynch than a civilian, I'm not that the "sure thing" of a neutral is better than getting scum.

By my earlier reasoning, lynching scum is better than lynching Epi. Epi has value to the town as a neutral that can win with the town (depending on a later choice). Scum has z value of 0. Lynching scum is preferable.

That was not what I was discussing, though. A random lynch is worse than Epi at this point.

DrWilgy wrote:Also it seems Gfish is most likely with Cerberus.

Epi being the safe lynch is only true for Cerberus. It's also the easiest lynch for a Cerberus player.

Let's not take the easy option.

Not to mention a baddie would aim for the safe play the day before their kill night.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Nutella is probably bad. Forget the Realms weapons triangle. She's passive. Not insitefuo. Where is supertown Nutella? Why is she ignoring me?

Fredwood wrote:The problem is that all the other people that I think are good options are also being pushed by people who I think are good candidates for a lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:@nutella because I don't feel like quoting that:

I do feel like you are trying to post just enough to skate by and avoid much attention, and I fee like the team that targeted CBob would likely have two syndicate players, so I chose one that I have mild suspicions of. For me as a player (and I think this is true of several of the other hcrealms players) meta is the most important thing for reads, so I am kind of lost, especially on the Syndicate players. But I am in general trying to fill a slot that I think exists.

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote:There being role claiming and info dumping allowed means USE that mechanic to the best of it's ability.

You mean like this?

I am not James Vega. I lied.

I am the fucking Terminator.

I am Zodac, the Cosmic Enforcer.

I am the God of Cylons.

I have no allegiance to anybody...yet.

Tuck and roll bitches? Please. I am metal. I don't tuck or roll.

I am here to judge. And dissipate.

There was no second kill Night 1. So you say. I don't agree. It's likely I was the target and dissipated it. Ironically, instead of being worshiped like the mechanical god I am, people voted for me.

I like that.

Can you imagine why?

James Vega does not exist, for he is not in the database. I falsely claimed to be him, knowing that if someone tried to kill me, that team would know I was lying about "tuck and roll."

Tuck and roll - You will be immune to all non-lethal night actions this night.

That says non-lethal. I should be dead if a team tried to take me out.

But I'm not dead.

What a shame. You know what else is a shame?

Humans.

Humans exhibit qualities of anger and revenge. It's sad really, but I am using that to my advantage: If anyone from the team that tried to kill me knew I was lying, they probably suspected I was on the other team. They may have believed I am Soverign or the Illusive Man, for instance, who survives the first kill against him.

To put it in the simplest terms:

If someone tried to kill me, that team knows I lied when I said "Tuck and roll bitches." They know my "claim" was fake. Votes against me then, are attempts to gain credibility by lynching mafia, but I'm not mafia.

Long Con's reaction to my initial Vega claim (and being nervous ) makes me most suspicious of him. He didn't vote for me until after I claimed (I didn't claim ). He wants to lynch me so he can get credit for lynching mafia...only I'm not mafia.

I'm machine.

Tuck and roll bitches.

My initial plan was to withhold all this until exactly one hour before the end of the Day. Instead I think it's best that I'm giving the civilians a chance to actually do something right. If you don't, oh well, but it doesn't concern me. I don't care if I get lynched, because if I do, I can be aligned with the Reapers and that fucks you out of a lynch against them, thereby improving my own chance to win. I'm telling you this now so that you, Alliance people, get your heads out of your asses and make me want to align with you. The downside is that I probably kept one of you alive last Night by absorbing the Night kill target and now I cannot repeat the procedure because I will not be targeted. Oh well. I don't like the bad logic I've seen today. Do better.

Right now my projections currently predict the civilians getting positively hosed.

You have the opportunity to change that.

The question is

C:\WILLYOU>_

Fredwood wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Though likely Jack just hasn't caught up to your plot twist yet.

I'm caught up but I admit, I kinda skimmed Epi's long thing where he explained that being immune to non lethal actions means you don't avoid kills.

What did I miss?

He's claiming Geth now. Who can side with Reaper or Civ after 3rd day. He's not immune to a NK he's saying that he thinks Mafia targeted him last night and failed their night kill, because supposedly they targeted him. Then tried to push to lynch him because they thought he was the don of the other mafia and are trying to get him lynched because it will buy them cred. He's then saying the mafia knows the Vega claim is BS because Vega doesn't avoid lethal actions.

In the end, I think he's saying lynch Long Con or I'll side with the Reapers. I am just an extra fragile human after all so I probably missed something.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Gotta drive home so I will catch up later tonight, I am putting down a vote on Jack cause I do not want to miss another vote, and I am almost certain he is scum based on his game play up to where I've read.

Fredwood wrote: SIlver - Still feels like he's playing a parody of himselfinstead of actually playing himself...it's a shitty reason for suspicion because it's hard to pin down why I think that, but I said it before it feels like he's relying too much on his reputation for being aggressive, and not actually being aggressive.

Exactly.

The key thing to remember about Silver is that his fits feel genuine when he's town. You Syndicate folks remember his behavior in Phenom? How everyone was so sure he was town?

Is he doing that for you now? Or does he feel like he's pretending?

Silver Lantern wrote:

gfishfunk wrote: I second this. Silver Town has a gallon jub of gasoline. Silver Scum is reserved (for Silver).

Hey Gfish, when did YOU stop beating your wife?

My god, everyone toting this bullshit "Silver is being too passive" line is full of it. I either explode and act like a god damn powder keg or I'm not town? How am I supposed to react to that crap? I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. You guys make it seem like I have never played a game where I am passive and skate as town...

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: I voted for Jack because I want him to claim, not because I necessarily want to lynch him. I didn't vote for Nifty because I don't think he needs to claim right now if he doesn't want to, I just think he has been pinging me so far today. Jack pinged me a lot yesterday by playing a rather unusual game and not acting as I would expect, but that isn't anything related to anything he said in game, especially today. The difference for me with Nifty is he, or at least my interpretation of him, seemed to want to lynch Epi just as much as everyone else did at the time, despite focusing post of his posting on him. To me, if he were town, I would call it tunneling, but when he moved his vote away it suggested to me that he had tested the waters and wanted to try moving away for a while.

I don't like his vote on me either, but I can understand it.

Is that all? I'd rather not but I've narrowed myself down to what? 8 characters? (I haven't played ME2 or ME3 so I don't know how many lady good guys there are off the top of my head.) Plus, given the setup, I don't think claiming is that big of a deal.

Who are you voting for if you aren't voting for me?

Can you explain the second bit, there? What did I do that you wouldn't expect or what did I not do that you would expect?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: There are many reasons to distrust Jack, but I feel that this whole rainbow issue seems off for both of you.

How so?

I am voting for you to put my vote somewhere. You have acted quieter this game than I would expect, with a larger portion of your content being unfocused. That said, that is also significantly different than I would expect if you were maf, so I don't know how much I can count that against you.
It isn't that important for you to claim if you don't want to, I guess saying that you are a girl Shepard can romance with is a specific enough clue. But a claim from you would alleviate my suspicions.

I think the rainbow thing is off for Dom because he is mentioning it with alarming frequency. I think it is a little off for you because you almost use it as an excuse to avoid answering questions. I don't understand the benefit of either of you bringing it up, so I don't see why it keeps going on.


Two quick guesses on what I think the mafia teams could be, just for fun:

JOH
Dom (Long Con?)
Nifty

Silver
Nutella
MP

If Epi is telling the truth and is mostly correct, one of the maf teams targeted him for a kill. That team includes Long Con, according to his suspicions, but because I am currently operating under the assumption that JOH is maf (maybe a terrible idea), and I think the other maf likely killed CBob, since that is a goal JOH seemed to be pushing for the first day and he would not want to be suspect of that. I don't think a team with 2+ hcrealms members would likely target CBob night one, but I have three most suspect members from hcrealms, so I would then put one of them with JOH. Since in my awesome fantasy land, Dom is trying to bus JOH right now, I am putting him as the second member of that team, but with Long Con subbing in because that seems a little on the fantastical side. I don't think JOH and Silver are on the same maf team, so Nifty takes the third slot. The other team fills itself out, starting with Silver and moving to two others I suspect. MP seems like a strong character to be influenced by JOH and Silver seems like he would try something else, but who knows.



And an almost identical guess without JOH as maf:

Nifty
Adam
Long Con

Silver
Nutella
spirityo


Kind of edit: I do like Silver's new posts, that might change my guesses.

Dyslexicon wrote:Voting with LC now

Voting Epi

Should always be a good idea.

Will chance it to whoever Fred wants to vote though.

DrWilgy wrote:My primary concern with Hazelnut is her lack of content and her civ read of me.

Past games quick glance
Phenon > Nut is Civ > Reads me bad
Currents > Nut is civ > Unsure of me
Here > Nut is unknown > Town reads me

This is also with her knowing that I still want my revenge from phenon. (I didn't get it in currents, and even made it known that I missed my chance). Makes me think she doesn't want to fight me.

Her uncertainty d1 however, is something I'm used to with her.

I'd like to know why Gfish would hard claim role blocker with no doctor.