The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:32 pm POE

112
ender
golden
iawy
party crashers
sig

@sig if ur town can u do the things that make it obvious for me thx

Good list

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:32 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:28 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:26 pm I gotta go but I'm just going to park my vote on golden since any other exe is going to be suboptimal atm
I kinda think with Cape being town and iawy being very likely wolf that Golden was townsiding hard last EOD and am thus inclined to give him space
Golden refused to vote iawy because he was 'afraid of a tie', if iawy is mafia then golden most certainly is as well because that is the lamest damn excuse I've ever heard.
Golden thought cape was 100% town but didn't vote the counter wagon? For real??

Yeah pretty weird he didn't vote iawy huh

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:27 pm Btw, if Kate is town I believe Alison is likelier to be wolf because she may be pulling the same thing she did as a wolf in another game where she tunnels a town that would otherwise be townread (marry in the case).

Can dig this one at least

Kate is still lock town btw

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:19 pm Hard town/3p include Mac, Nut, Neon, Lily, Rondo and HK can be town too.

Wolves are in Creature, IAWY, Urist still.

Bless.
Shit DrWilgy misreading me may be a sign he is mafia this game

You are just chock full of bad takes today. Unfortunately that's nai for you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:18 pm I still think Party Crasher is a wolf lol

and I find Nutella to be underwhelming here like in that mash game where she got away with early townreads doing nothing for the rest of the game
i agree party crashers is prob mafia not so convinced on nut but maybe... she was pretty heavily complicit in cape going over iawy but did it in a way where she was hiding behind marmot so I'd say if nut w marmot town

I'm spewed by sabi too anyway

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:16 pm
also also fuck all over Raising Cain's Chicken sauce that shit is godawful.

Banned.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:15 pm Are Lilypetal and EnderWiggin both town?

I need to reevaluate ender after cape flipped v

Seriously are people just not reading flips wtf

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:00 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:55 pm btw I don't really check ppl who vote me I shoot one of them and it's a compulsive action so unless you want to die don't vote me and also force the entire poe to vote me every day lol
You hard claim this?
of course
Then you are mafia because i am this.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

This is not an FPS
u never cease to amaze me how much you insist on doing insultingly dumb shit
Im your CC, we cant both have the same exact ability as town.

And please treat me with respect if you still appreciate our friendship, im done tolerating this treatment mate.

@Guillotine
Read cape's flip.
Read pyxxy's flip.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:55 pm btw I don't really check ppl who vote me I shoot one of them and it's a compulsive action so unless you want to die don't vote me and also force the entire poe to vote me every day lol
You hard claim this?
of course
Then you are mafia because i am this.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

This is not an FPS

Bro lmao read the flips multiple people have this role

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:58 pm oh also I didn't die to mafia n1 which makes iawy loverising me n1 ever more likely just mafia using the loveriser role as KP on me after iawy was near certain to just die today for being the c/w to a bad town wagon

Prolly yeah lol. Ok [VOTE: iawy] aubergine

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine because of things and stuff

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:57 pm If I gave you a gun and forced you to shoot either master radishes or Sloonei, who would you shoot?

Radishes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:54 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:51 pm Before Mac comes in here screaming for my head because he refuses to listen to me,

No, he is perfectly fine. No, he is not a hostage. No, I am not mafia. Thank you
oh yeh iawy pretended not to see me ask him to vote me and loverised me overnight so do with that what you will

Hm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 pm I shot Sabi. No regrets.
Nice. I shot Ilario.

Nice to both

112 townlean
Alison town
Cape90 wolf
Creature meh townlean
Dennis very slight townlean
DrWilgy townlean
Dyslexicon town
EnderWiggin town, reeval a bit if cape v tho
falcon45ca town
Golden aaaaaaa lean town rn but aaaa
Guillotine town
hollowkatt wolf
ilario townlean
inawordyes idk lol
Kate town
Le petit poussin town
Lilypetal townlean
MacDougall town
Marmot strong town
master radishes nullish
Michelle town
Neon townlean
Party Crasher townsiding ish?
Porscha townlean
pyxxy wolf
RondoDimBuckle town
S~V~S sliiiight townlean
sabiplz meh? sliiight wolflean
Scotty wolf lean
Seanzie town lean
sig town lean
Sloonei town lean
TonyStarkPrime null
Urist town

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:52 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:51 pm I got no votes on me today but Cape's because he is mafia and I am threadspewed town. now u gotta kill me. bye
yeah I think cape W actually clears you pretty well you were on him from the start

idc who cape is voting though he's clearly in anti spew

cape also had a super overblown "le petit is obv wolf" moment that screamed mafia exaggerating a fake push

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:46 pm I guess I would rather do IAWY because I think IAWY is likelier to be a wolf than Cape90 atp.

Clearly wrong based on cape's eod pop in claiming pr and refusing to give any legacy to avoid spew but ok

we are staying course everyone

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:41 pm I dont really buy this last second naked PR claim esp in a game where most if not all people will have PRs

Sorta think if he had a strong PR he'd say wait stop im the cop or whatever and ask for heals

yeah also just saying nonspecific PR buys him a bit of time to come up with a safe fakeclaim

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:38 pm 1. I'm pretty sure both Dennis and IAWY are town

2. I heard claim PR

hmmyes

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:36 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:53 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:23 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE
I dont get this and i find sabi scummy cape

- dz
I have just played with Sabi when Sabi was scum. This is a somewhatish scummy Sabi, but not in the way Sabi was in that game. I am not seeing their bury a player meta though that I see as town them. But they were legit deflated the later they went on as mafia which makes me wanna more wait and see then insta push
last post was around 6-7 hours ago

i dont remember the wagons at that point lol

i could be mistaken. maybe it was a 3-way tie between cape, iawy and dennis at around 5 votes?

i think it was roughly cape 6-8 iawy 6 dennis 5 when he was last here but idk exactly

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:37 pm is the word appraisal not English?

ugh I don't have the patience

it makes me think of antiques roadshow

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:34 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:33 pm i dont remember when was the last time i saw a w/v wagon and the wolf didnt self pres onto the villager (cape isnt self pressing onto iawy)
Cape isn't around in the thread in general I think

when was the last time he was around? was it before or after it became clear it was going to be either Cape or iawy?

he was around when the cw was between iawy and dennis and he didnt want to self pres onto either

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
nutella

andy and ollie pesto moment

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions
marmot ofc
but I just called him mafia so this doesn't work for me

ok bub hes more polarized than me and literally jay levels of goating so glgl

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:31 pm hey @nutella can you give me a cliffnotes of how we endered here?

ender endered us ender this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:29 pm can someone point me at the person who is the most obvious town and also playing properly? I'd like to ask them a few questions

marmot ofc

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?

Also, imagine dying d1 lmao

Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today

Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
I don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?
What's your read on Scotty @Inawordyes, I know you expressed some disappointment in him earlier based on his vote for you, but I don't remember what you concluded.

honestly his point about scotty not being wagoned might be a good one

scotty basically fell off a ton after the first part of the day, idk what happened, maybe my first page instinct on him was right and he's been avoiding the spotlight since

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:19 pm Like if you really think you'll eat your hat if Cape flips anything but town then... shouldn't you not give a fuck how people read you if he flips red? Since that's not gonna happen?
I don’t give a fuck how people read me. I give a fuck how good peoples analysis is, because wolves don’t analyse good.

i don't follow how this answers her question

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:18 pm
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 am Creature
Dennis
ender
golden
iawy
sig

now humouring viable towncases on the above slots
I’ll throw out the obvious towncase on me, one that you should be well-aware of by this point

The fact that people think I’m mafia on D1 makes me town. You know as well as I do that I am hyper-aware on D1 of how people come across, and I specifically look for people who are blending and know how to be active and engaged enough to beat the filter. I can’t think of a single scumrand game I’ve played in the last 1-2 years where I was scumread D1 by the majority of the players who expressed reads on me

I don’t really care to look town as town because I know I’m town and I will express myself honestly (which people just naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth, go figure), so my meta has basically become that if you think I’m town on D1, I’m probably mafia, and if you think I’m mafia on D1, I’m probably town
I believe this self-meta IAWY described, but also I don't feel like he's actually offering anything in his ISO that people would describe him as "naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth", so in that sense I don't think he falls into that self-described meta. Even the hot take he posted in P#1726 isn't really a hot take, in that HK falls on the shortlist of players that is often chopped Day 1, and sussing him isn't out of the ordinary. If IAWY is a wolf, HK is probably town.

I can see IAWY being overwhelmed-by-content town, but I don't even think that's AI.

to be fair the other time ive seen him wagoned d1 (champs) he was town, and the times ive seen him wolf he went pretty deep/trusted, so the self meta does check out

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:16 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pm 112
golden
ilario
help?
112 is doing the solo agent thing

golden sassy (instead of sussy wussy)

ilario sassy wassy

-tutuu

ok i get the first two, still dont really get the ilario take

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pm 112
golden
ilario

help?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:12 pm 112 killed the thread lol
My HS French is obvs woefully inadequate; earlier in a post I translated your name as Little Fish, when it is very clearly Little Chicken. Sorry bout that.

Just got back from groceries.

Has anyone been able to adequately answer my question, why is Dennis suspicious?

What is the case on IAWY? Is there one or is it just "He's sketch"?

I see we have a tie.

TIES ARE DECIDED BY THE MAFIA. It's in the rules! Plz don't do this.

We should look on people forcing ties with disfavor.

It's a weird rule I've never heard of before, I guess Nanook hates ties.
I had a thought about this. Does it imply that the ratio of Mafia is smaller than usual? And the rest of the bad actors are 3p?

Huh? No it's literally just a standard nanook rule he does it every game he hosts

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:01 pm What I'm hearing is that if Cape flips mafia I am shooting Golden.
No, I actually don't think they're w/w after this exchange.
Why? Golden is putting enough force into his defense that he might actually save Cape, and if you agree that his Cape defense reasons are bullshit and the case on Cape was good and Cape flips mafia then... why isn't golden just mafia?

Mostly from the two posts just now where he admitted he can see where I'm coming from a bit. He came into the conversation holding strong to a cape tr and yet is open to my perspective. It feels more real, like town Golden evaluating, or possibly the world where he was mafia defending town cape and potentially pivoting to justifying a vote there later, but don't think he'd do that based on what I posted if they were teammates.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:01 pm What I'm hearing is that if Cape flips mafia I am shooting Golden.

No, I actually don't think they're w/w after this exchange.

if cape is a miss i'd go back to uncertain on ender but his solving felt good

and basically spearheaded cape wagon

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:59 pm Ender is a coinflip (to me, maybe he posted while I was sleeping)

He became super towny overnight I recommend iso

He's not acting like I expect a townie in his position to act. He put in some token effort to defend himself but it was lacking heart and sincerity

Like it's subtle but it's there

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:53 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:51 pm This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me
I thought I was your strongest townread other than kate lol

Why are you so sure cape is town? Is it actually TMI this time
You were. Your approach to cape has made that slide. Your most recent post about trusting everyone on the wagon made it snap.

You are thoroughly obsessed with a bullsuit case. I hate it.
It's a nice plus that I trust everyone on the wagon. There's likely a busser or two atp but it's secondary to his posts today being shit.
His posts have been completely fine

Well I disagree. His responses like the one I quoted were full of awkward deflections and guilty conscience

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:58 pm @nutella Why do you town read Dennis again?

I don't particularly strongly, but I lean him town both for handwavey threadstate wagon formation reasons and some vibes that his early posting wasn't as uncomfortable as others characterized it and his reactionary-ness could easily come from town. I haven't played with him before so I'm not confident.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:33 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:41 pm instead of elliming me while im on vacation

maybe get someone who is actively wolfy like petit who has been burying me like wolf anyways

or urist who has been literally trolling me

or like half of creature, also for some reason, the link in the beginning with Creature's ISO is MEGA BROKEN

or more obvious people like ilario

i think Master Radishes is a pet wolf read and reading more of his stuff, yeah sure

DrWigly is just POE fodder there is that
Eeeek

Ok yeah I'm fully on board [VOTE: cape] aubergine

Like this one really stuck out to me and I hated a lot of his other responses around that general string of posts a few hours ago. The whole way he's presenting/defending himself after his wagon appeared has reeked of caught wolf to me. His reluctance to vote iawy or dennis feels like antispew.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:53 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:51 pm This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me
I thought I was your strongest townread other than kate lol

Why are you so sure cape is town? Is it actually TMI this time
You were. Your approach to cape has made that slide. Your most recent post about trusting everyone on the wagon made it snap.

You are thoroughly obsessed with a bullsuit case. I hate it.

It's a nice plus that I trust everyone on the wagon. There's likely a busser or two atp but it's secondary to his posts today being shit.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:51 pm This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.

Nut gets the biggest from me
Mafia post

Yeah it's one of several golden posts that have just made me go

I'm like very confident that the way cape has responded to his wagon building is wolf indicative so like, idk take the L

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