The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:13 pm Epi is like idk my 5th to 8th highest scumread. He’s not even really on the menu. I’d rather get GMan or Mac.

Yeah, agreed

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:08 pm Alright jack v epi thunderdome is juicy af fight fight fight
Why? Jack hasn't said a word about me. He's a little bitch.

Well he should.

Alright jack v epi thunderdome is juicy af fight fight fight

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:44 pm I want trough Sabie's ISO to ctrl+F Jack. There's some serious waffles and terrible "I don't see why Jack would go after Nutella if scum, cause Nutella could just flip town." Still votes Nutella. I also love how Sabie votes Mac because he followed Jack blindly, when Sabie was doing exactly the same. (Well, she actually refused to listen to Jack's turn on the read, but you know.. it's still bad).

I don't know if Jack/Sabie is a thing though. Can't really make my mind up. And jack DID turn the Nut read around with competing Nut/Radish wagons.

@Turnip Head Real talk. Why in Zoidberg's name do you read Sabie as town?
It’s not. I may have kinda ignored Radishes a lot but Sabie was trying to pocket me and get me to do her dirty work.

Mmmm hmmmm.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:31 pm Slapping Jack for a bit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:30 amOr cause Nutella was suddenly more appealing as a lynch considering she was counterwagon to his buddy Radish (which would be convenient considering our top wagons)
^Justifies suspicion on Mac through Mac/Radish connection. (Even with Radish and Mac as our top wagons I think)
Also... then why not lynch Radish?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:40 pmLike it's a good thing that Radishes flipped wolf because I scumread Mac and I can dig into his interactions but chances are he's not on Radish's team just because two wagons on a 4 person mafia with no flips is just pretty unlikely.
^Mac and Radish connection is now unlikely.
Yeah, I know it's explained in the post. But mehhhh.

Other Jack contradictions includes: "It's stupid to think I'm Radishes teammate!" to "I can see why I look teamed plz suspect me so I won't get NKed haha."

Also I hate this post a lot:
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:29 pm SVS is town anyway but it's a good call out. I bet we can clear several people of being Radish's teammate. I don't mind if I'm not on that list. All the better, actually. It's always a winning strategy to have a winning POE that includes me because I'm not getting lynched.

Somebody point me to the final vote count. I'll catch up and find a Radish teammate tonight.

Spoiler: show
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:14 pm In conclusion,

Ouch.

Btb, I’d absolutely never kill Dyz so I can go back to being confirmed town again.

Uh, but the prevailing argument is that you're on the radish/sabie team, not the team that killed dizzy.

I still haven't sorted out if i buy that though, but I have seen some points worth noting (like the one epi made about sabie). I definitely prioritize mac over you, and if i had to identify a radishsabie teammate I'd probably name gman or maybe sprityo first. But you're definitely not off the hook.

Neither is epi for that matter though and he could be trying to paint you as bad with his teammate sabie.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:46 pm To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I think it's good to weaken both scum teams and not let one remain intact for too long,but I can see your side of it as well (especially with the assumption that eliminating a team eliminates their kill, which we haven't confirmed)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:57 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.
Basically saitama has a one time janitor (hides flip) which was clearly used on dizzy (otherwise default is roles flip, i know yours not used to that). The theory is mac is saitama and used his one time ability bc he is in danger of being lynched. And it just adds to sig's pre-existing theory that Mac one-posted him.
I'm not one for NKA but why would I kill dyslexicon?

Why not? They were a common townread and a force in the thread.

You're not yours

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

Basically saitama has a one time janitor (hides flip) which was clearly used on dizzy (otherwise default is roles flip, i know yours not used to that). The theory is mac is saitama and used his one time ability bc he is in danger of being lynched. And it just adds to sig's pre-existing theory that Mac one-posted him.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

Read the saitama role.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm Oh gee guys we've got two scumflips to work through! I know! Let's lynch exactly the only player who literally cannot be teammates with either of them!

Yeah duh we don't want your team to skate to the end because we only focused on the other one.

Guys we got him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:45 pm The irony of this all is that you're gonna wagon me to near death within an hour of the day starting, but by the day's end we'll lynch someone else. You'll see.

Ok Jack.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:44 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.

BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.

More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.
I mean Sprityo is definitely mafia, so you can go ahead and lynch me and flip that fool afterwards. I am comfortable with death at this point.

Yeah because you used your role LMAO

Oopsie

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:39 pm Worst case Mac isn't mafia we have one mislynch.

BUT say we don't lynch him and let him keep rolling along, they'll keep killing civs and eventually we won't be able to win at all. This is when we still have a margin of error.

More importantly there are 2 roles Sprityo has at this point. If Mac isn't mafia (Very slim chance) Then Sprityo is one of the last members of Anti-Monitors. Potentially last since I still think it's possible Dizzy was mafia.

I don't follow this? What's the deal with sprityo?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Mac's entire response to people has just reeked.

His team utilized the strong man kill in case he was lynched today.
It's just a janitor not a strongman unless I am missing something
My mistake, but point still stands they wanted it gone.

Yeah, this does lend credence to your theory that Mac is exactly Saitama. There's always the "but that's what they want you to think" argument, but given how so few people paid/drew attention to your theory and given how Mac plays, i think it's fairly likely it's just true.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine for now. I wanted to reconsider from how he played yesterday, but I know he's capable of doing that to wriggle his way out of a lynch as scum, and he's very capable of being manipulative and imitating his town game out of desperation.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm sig & sprityo vs. mac

it's actually like the culmination of a several year arc when you think about it
Where the two brave heroes finally defeat the evil mastermind.

Or the one brave hero (sig) teams up with the lesser of two evils to defeat the more powerful evil overlord.

i want to make a political joke but.... nah lmao [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)
I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

As the resident expert on her meta i thought she was on it early game but has definitely fallen off, so I could be persuaded. Though at this time I still doubt I'd vote for her this phase, i have other priorities. Things can change though.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:32 pm Mac's entire response to people has just reeked.

His team utilized the strong man kill in case he was lynched today.

It's just a janitor not a strongman unless I am missing something

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:26 pm Jack and Sprityo are both super compatible imo

Any ideas for the other team tho? Or no bc you're on it?

Oh saitama has a one time janitor ok. Interesting. So dizzy was mafia kill and sabie vigged i guess that makes sense

So.... what's the logic on whether nk roles are revealed? We have one revealed and one not...?

Oh I missed that dizzy died too.

And that's a great role to be rid of. There's probably a couple cursed items floating around, but no more new ones

Oh whoooa, awesome night result! Thanks mafia, now we should focus on that team maybe

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:34 pm @Dyslexicon

ISO on Ted in some random order:

(There's no specific post that I find particularly AI, so I won't quote anything, but...)

-He bounces his reads around a bit (claims his page 2 reads based on 'swag' are serious, but never comes back to it; suddenly drops a vote on Nutella and only gives a reason for it later; then switches to vote me, again without justification), but doesn't try to justify his progression. Maybe a bouncy scum, but I get the impression he just doesn't care how he comes across. Good look.

-His tone is consistent - loose and carefree and not afraid to be a bit fun, but easily switches back to serious gameplay when necessary. Another good look of someone who isn't worried about how they come across.

-He isn't trying to stand out or lead a charge or anything, but equally isn't afraid to engage in discussions, even ones that don't involve him. No waffling on reads, just straight to the point. Also something I consider a good look.

Overall, ISOing Ted has made me nudge him from null+ to a lightish green. Macro play is decent so far, in the sense he doesn't seem concerned about his image.
Ted teammate material.

Ok, i found this (plus you think sig is town, and neither svs nor dizzy are radishmates). But this isn't much. Do you want to lynch ted for this? What does your lynch priority list look like?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:25 pm I want more thoughts from Epignosis. I don't recall him having any stances on anyone besides jay, and I don't even really believe that one is real. He has been very detached from the topics the rest of the thread is talking about.
The beauty of Mafia on The Syndicate is that you can click a little button under my picture and read anything I've posted here, which makes your memory moot.

No one is getting 100 posts a phase from me anymore. I'm available when I'm available, and that's at best a couple of hours in the evening. If you have something specific you'd like to ask, by all means, ask.

Off to play some A Link to the Past with my lads.

Literally any opinion on anyone other than jay would be nice. Who do you think is scum on radishes' team? Who do you think is scum on the other team? Even any town reads you have would be cool too. Sure I could look at your iso but a) I don't want to and b) that would just give me Old opinions from the Past and I want your current takes and c) based on the stuff jay quoted you have hardly said anything about potential links to radishes, so post-flip i want to know who you are most concerned about in that light.

[mention]juliets[/mention] idk where you got KO, lol. Maybe you meant KP? I think that means kill power or something similar, basically the number of kills available

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:06 pmThen that makes no son of a bitching sense.
I used it the wrong way, cause I'm not as cool as Nut, but don't tell her.

Hm I kiiinda think the way you used it makes some sense and my explanation didn't really account for it. More of a sarcastic usage i suppose.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:51 pm Real talk tho epi, when young people say things like "mood"or "that's a mood" it means they heavily relate to the sentiment being expressed (sometimes in an abstract/surrealist way)
But I'm not young.

Sorry. Cool people

Real talk tho epi, when young people say things like "mood"or "that's a mood" it means they heavily relate to the sentiment being expressed (sometimes in an abstract/surrealist way)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:47 pm I still don't know what a mood is.

Local robot doesn't understand human emotions, more at 11

[mention]juliets[/mention] jack did in fact mean that literally, that mac's chances of being scum are only half of what they were, because he's clearly not on the radish team.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:20 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:17 pm Nook's contrarian style is getting real old.

Nook. Soften up. Come bake cookies with me. We'll catch more scum with cookies, trust and believe.
I mean that’s just how I am, so.
But cookies =(

I'm in

I want more thoughts from Epignosis. I don't recall him having any stances on anyone besides jay, and I don't even really believe that one is real. He has been very detached from the topics the rest of the thread is talking about.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:19 pm Excuse me compare that to what I said about him D1 and tell me it’s not the exact same mindset
Nanook 1 was ambivalent about Radish.

Not defending Radish, just calling slip accusation stupid
Not TRing Radish, slip accusation was poor play
Is Radish case more than a lack of impression?
Understand nutella case more than Radishes case
Seen Radish not do enough as town/indy before
Radish reasoning is meh, maybe baddie idk, meh D1 not AI

Nanook 2 was more concretely "Radish is a good lynch, but we should lynch the other person". The mindsets are not identical.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:06 pm Radishes is a great TK if he’s scum, it blows the game pretty open.

If he’s town it kinda fucks us tho.

I’m not convinced enough to fight either way tbh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:45 am The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:39 pm I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

Mmm this is actually nagl for nanook ii.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:51 pm why does nutella feel off tonally
I'm not seeing any difference.

But, I'm not a huge fan of the Mac switch. Though I do feel like if they were teammates she'd not be so obvious about new opinion.

@nutella For Nutella 1.0 who were you thinking was your mafia targets? I'm assuming you were forming some thoughts there.
I don't understand the question please rephrase
"Prometheus - You can target two players each night. Your main goal is to target each of these roles: Bill Rawls, Serena van der Woodsen, Seamus Fitzroy, Architect, and Lassie. You may choose any of the found roles to die in your place. *secrets*"

Two of the player who your goal was to find are mafia members. So I was just wondering if you had any inclination of who you might have wanted to target if you had the chance.

If that makes sense? Since, at least when I'm third party, I generally focus on whatever goal I have.

Linki: I think we should pursue obvious links to Radish, but be spending most of the next phase trying to hunt the other team and preferably have one of them as a counterwagon. Usually if you eliminate one team the other doesn't inherit the kill so as long as we don't ignore them I'd say full steam on Radish peeps.

Oh, that. No it was only day 1 so I hadn't even thought about who might be in the roles i was to search for. No idea lol.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:22 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:51 pm why does nutella feel off tonally
I'm not seeing any difference.

But, I'm not a huge fan of the Mac switch. Though I do feel like if they were teammates she'd not be so obvious about new opinion.

@nutella For Nutella 1.0 who were you thinking was your mafia targets? I'm assuming you were forming some thoughts there.

I don't understand the question please rephrase

On the one hand, colin seems, well, cool. On the other hand, all of a sudden he starts contributing to hunting now that we have a scum flip... could be convenient timing from an Other-Scum.

Or he's town.

I also heartily disagree with whoever has floated TH as a radishmate. I think they look quite clear.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:38 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:26 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:16 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:57 am I have a question for the thread that I just want to make sure gets asked before we get too absorbed in interactive analyses: who are the most suspicious players independent of Radishes?

I’m gonna be out for the day. Continue hunting for both teams, y’all.
Mac
Sprityo
Dizzy
Last I checked, Dizzy was locktown. What's up?
I've been saying he may be scum for awhie. Why locked town?

also I don't have like a real case case on him. Mainly tone/yesterday's lynch actions which were odd.
Lock might be a strong word, but Dizzy is one of my top town reads. Tossing Dizzy up as a most suspicious character without an actual case is worse than what I'm doing.

Which is putting them up as a top townread without an actual case.
I've not had the time to make a solid case, but tone wise and based off previous games he different.

The main thing for now with in game info is how he tried to CFD away from radish/mac and onto sloonie. I wasn't a fan of this I think he was trying to protect one of them. And since I think Mac is scum and we know radish is it's a win win.

This is silly. The sloonei cfd was ever actually going to happen. Dizzy was just expressing agreement with me there, it wasn't a realistic prospect at the time. If he wanted to save radish that wasn't the way to do it lol. He was on board with the radish lynch, and I think he has looked solidly town overall.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:10 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:21 pm sabie created a dichotomy between Jack and nutella

sabie said jack wouldn't push nutella because him doing that as scum and being wrong will make him a suspect. she votes nutella.

jack backs out. sabie says "well that doesn't change how I feel about nutella cuz I would've expected jack to do that anyway"

"I", as in, her own read. sabie didn't say anything about nutella before that.
So, idk if you meant to ask differently but there is history in the other direction which may inform this-- in the recent game where jack correctly pegged me as scum right away, after he died others backed off of me but sabie was the one who eventually caught me (she was the cop and I was godfather so appeared green to her but she figured it out). So that may explain why she put credence in jack's read of me and took it as her own/held on to it independently.

Not defending her as this can still be true if she's scum in multiball. Just pointing this out since it seems relevant to your thought process here.
The problem is that Australian Sabie saw the point I was making and believed in it and believed in me and found some independent reason to continue that push.

Champs 2019 Sabie basically disregarded my changed opinion and I didn’t see independent reason to continue the push.

Contrast to a degree Mac, who answered something like “what would you do if Jack started townreading Nutella” with something like “townread Nutella too I guess.”

Yeah, true. I guess scum!sabie had trouble letting go of the prospect of me being on the table for a lynch.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:15 pm Michelle's still indie

???

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:10 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:21 pm sabie created a dichotomy between Jack and nutella

sabie said jack wouldn't push nutella because him doing that as scum and being wrong will make him a suspect. she votes nutella.

jack backs out. sabie says "well that doesn't change how I feel about nutella cuz I would've expected jack to do that anyway"

"I", as in, her own read. sabie didn't say anything about nutella before that.
Therefore, Sabie is scum and I am town.

I mean, sure.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:21 pm sabie created a dichotomy between Jack and nutella

sabie said jack wouldn't push nutella because him doing that as scum and being wrong will make him a suspect. she votes nutella.

jack backs out. sabie says "well that doesn't change how I feel about nutella cuz I would've expected jack to do that anyway"

"I", as in, her own read. sabie didn't say anything about nutella before that.

So, idk if you meant to ask differently but there is history in the other direction which may inform this-- in the recent game where jack correctly pegged me as scum right away, after he died others backed off of me but sabie was the one who eventually caught me (she was the cop and I was godfather so appeared green to her but she figured it out). So that may explain why she put credence in jack's read of me and took it as her own/held on to it independently.

Not defending her as this can still be true if she's scum in multiball. Just pointing this out since it seems relevant to your thought process here.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:12 pm I'm like 80% sure sabie flips scum, and it's not only because of the wall I've made but that's pretty fabulous. I've taken into account her surgery and this is why I'm currently not haphazardly pushing her to reply to my post, I'm sure she will, I'll give her the time she needs.

I do have one question, nutella, do you have a history of correctly reading sabie? Any reason why she would fear you if she were scum? stuff like that

I don't believe I have any specific history of reading sabie's alignment, no.

Not only did sloonei engage with that pointless post, but as tony pointed out he did so in a pointlessly hedgey way.

Like... That post and a handful of others-- I've started to see the Mac mindmelds I've been waiting for.

Hey bitches I'm back in the land of the living!!

After that eod i am thinking I may have been wrong about mac and I have liked his engagement/analysis since. He could still be on the non radishes team and be genuinely hunting,but with how the votes stayed in him like that it seems unlikely.

I agree with the assessments that gman and sabie look like radish teammates. Sprit's vote was also quiiiiite bad but I town read him otherwise so more hesitant to make a hard and fast judgment there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:25 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:18 am I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.
Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.
I keep noticing you earnestly replying to drivel you should be ignoring or eviscerating and I think I've caught you this way before.

L o v e T h i s

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:57 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 pm Could we lynch Sabie?
Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask @MacDougall what he saw as Sabie's scum tell.
She worked too hard to quantify tossing a vote on me. She wrote a prep post for it, then in the vote post she wrote a wall of drivel to justify voting there. It's what nervous scum do especially when voting to block progression of a teammate wagon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine
This is a classic scum vote. Talk about someone else first. But ultimately have little reason to have even brought it up because the goal is to get your vote on the mislynch.

honestly this is actually a really good point. I still think Mac is scum but he could be right about sabie if they're on opposing scum teams and she's teammates with gman or radish or jack or th -- not sure what exactly the poll looked like at the time so not sure which is the more likely relevant counterwagon, but your argument about it being TH since they're the one she mentioned in the post and justified not voting makes sense (although I mostly townread them).

I still think sloonei is scum and probably a teammate of mac -- especially given his big push on sabie right after mac's callout of her. Not a great look with that timing and all, like this is the last hope they have to start up another promising counterwagon to save mac?

I see SVS asked me something about mac but I'm not really clear on what she's asking. I have stated pretty clearly that I suspect mac, and his progression on me was icky since he townread me at first but as soon as jack seemed confident I was bad he just latched on to that, trusting jack's history without taking into account his own prior read of me and then just confbiased everything I said as scummy -- and as Jay pointed out, town mac tends to tunnel his reads a lot more and doesn't just 180 based on someone else's opinion. I know he'll argue that he strengthened his scumread of me independently during our interaction but at the time it felt like he was forcing/projecting it. And he *still* never even acknowledged my actual flip so it's like he's afraid to admit he was wrong.

Anyone suspecting sprityo is wrong, he's town imo. His vote for nanook wasn't *ideal* but he's coming from a limited perspective since he hasn't had time to read everything (he spent a large portion of the beginning of the game flying halfway around the world) and his vote was based on a hard stance that he took that colin was a mislynch target, and I respect that.

Still have mixed feelings about Jack, idk there. He does seem to be holding back a little bit which isn't great, but there have been several things that made me think he's just more likely town.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:56 pm I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.
I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.
I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

Man I wish it seemed clear, lol. I promise you it doesn't -- maybe because we don't have any other flips yet lol. Luckily I still get 2 posts on n2/d3 and one on n3/d4. It's gonna be hard to ration though.

Epi seems to feel about Jay the same way I feel about Sloonei. I don't think we can both be right. I think Jay's ok and Sloonei is not.

@Dizzy yesss cfd sloonei i might even say I'm more confident about him than about mac at this point. idk. I really know nothing jon snow
Honestly the static-ness of the mac train is kinda concerning

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