The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:41 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:40 am Tony was never, ever, EVER going to gain momentum as a lynch. That's just the truth, and you knew it. So you nked him. And conveniently tried to make it look good for you. You're a goddamn mastermind, and maybe this could have worked if you had treated his slot a little differently. But as it is, you ended up with a couple holes that I am seeing through despite your panicked facade of confidence.
Dude. I just lynched sprityo. I could have lynched Tony if I wanted to. There is no facade here. There is abject confusion at the reality of the conversation that I am having right now. I am absolutely a dog, and this universe I find myself in is absolutely ridiculous.

Second or third time you've literally scum slipped l m f a o

I'm going to bed. [mention]MacDougall[/mention] tell me I'm right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:39 am To be clear, I'm not calling you dumb nutella. I'm calling the JJJ you think I am a giant moron.

The inane "thesis" framing wasn't helping your case.

Tony was never, ever, EVER going to gain momentum as a lynch. That's just the truth, and you knew it. So you nked him. And conveniently tried to make it look good for you. You're a goddamn mastermind, and maybe this could have worked if you had treated his slot a little differently. But as it is, you ended up with a couple holes that I am seeing through despite your panicked facade of confidence.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:34 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:32 am Assumption 2 is based on a false premise. "Mislynch bait" my doggy ass.
If I am a cat in this game, I view TSP as one of the most obvious mislynch opportunities on the board. I never bother taking him off the board in the first place with this fancy bullshit ploy. I just lynch him. And I bet I succeed.

No. Not even remotely realistic. I'm actually incredulous right now at how obviously you're lying.

It's not exactly purely in comparison to P5, more just the lack of participation on its own merit points to more likely town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:33 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:31 am I don't care what makes more sense. I care that your argument has actual gaping holes in it. Because it is entirely fabricated.
There is no way I ever seriously give 3-post TSP a civilian card in this game on the basis of Persona 5 lol. That's a terrible read.

Well, I did. And it looks like it was a great read.

Assumption 2 is based on a false premise. "Mislynch bait" my doggy ass.

I don't care what makes more sense. I care that your argument has actual gaping holes in it. Because it is entirely fabricated.

.....That is the hugest and possibly most transparent load of bullshit I've ever seen from you. You are evil and planned this entire thing. You *admit* to it. And your cover story doesn't check out. You *did* have reason to townread him -- how different his behavior was from P5. And don't give me that "meta is bullshit" crap. It was a real enough reason to assume Tony was town here; I heavily agreed with it. And he was absolutely not mislynch bait, ever, especially because you planted the townread of him anyway. In no world was he mislynch bait. Holy shit lmao. You just set this up to claim that. I see right through your little experiment.[VOTE: jay] aubergine

I'm remembering how much I agreed with mac's early accusations of fayt, and thinking I tone cleared her too easily later. Plus Jay's points about her defending him, and the weird sprityo vote... yeah ok. [VOTE: fayt] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:20 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:24 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:16 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine
Do you think Dom kills Turnip Head?
Yes.
Tell me moooore
It's more about thinking he's bad and our last cast, rather than specific reasons he killed TH. I hate that kind of night analysis, and it has no merit when facing more than 1 person without knowing the group dynamics. Remember Kylemii coasting in Megaman Mafia 'cause of a Jay's death on N1 that people thought couldn't be from him lol.

Okay so tell me more about why you specifically think Dom is bad.

Ok, I just more thoroughly read Jay's points about fayt and am willing to entertain it. Going to give her iso another pass.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:24 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:16 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine
Do you think Dom kills Turnip Head?
Yes.

Tell me moooore

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:26 pm Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.
However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.

Ughhh

Eh?
Just made me laugh... your "Ughhh", and just the fact that you would read into that post at all.

Reactions to mafia flips have caught mafia many a time. You know this very well. Why are you laughing

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:26 pm Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.
However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.

Ughhh

Eh?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:28 pm So I've iso'ed Speed and most of his posts were about Jay. I'm trying to make of what their interaction is and it's kinda hard. Though, I'll say this. That conversation about speed calling Jay's "tell me more" post "ew" feels like a bunch of horseshit to me. Got all kinds of fakey fakey shit in it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:48 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am This whole nightkill analysis based on character, devotion to the site and out-of-game closeness to TH is kinda angleshooty.

I know I can't condemn it, as I got caught up in it and the Mac/JJJ go has changed my perception a great deal, but I thought I'd put that out there.
Water them changes of perception, sonny?
Mac is town.

JJJ is lower on my townlist, and only not at the bottom because I've never actually seen this kind of angleshooting not be true. It's a scummy practice, town or mafia, but it usually works and is reliable.

It's not about emotional manipulation, as I mentioned in Phenon: Origins. It's a different kind of pragmatic and cold, one that you'd apparently stake honor on.

I welcome examples or corrections. I feel JJJ as scum, but as Mac called Epi earlier, I'm a sucker for character calls.

There's also this post, speed is wishy washy as hell on how to read Jay. He's hesitating on town reading him but also scum reading him, thus he's at the bottom of the town list. Bad look for Jay imo.

There's something else I got. Speed interacted with Jay A LOT. 90% of his posts were about him. There was barely any of that much content with him and Rej and they were buddies. Make of this what you will. I don't know how speed usually interacts with his buddies.
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This is a cool find. I'll look into their interactions more but this treatment of Jay from speed smells like cat poop.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:26 pm Wow, that was unexpected and awesome. RIP TSP and sprityo.

However this is a lot worse at face value than Jay's immediate reaction which felt more genuine.

Ughhh

Really not a fan of how he is being even more hamfisted about not having killed Tony than he was about TH. I hate thinking about wifom stuff like that but it's like.... too convenient.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I promise it's not me. Should we just go ahead and lynch Jay?

If nobody else is feeling an LC vote I can go along with a fayt lynch today and if that's wrong Jay will be in trouble. But then if I do *that* and then if it turns out I was right about LC all along it'll feel bad lol

Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

In no universe is it Dragomir. Yesterday's votes would have gone pretty differently if so.

I'm feeling it's LC.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:51 pm Really think it’s Fayt. All my indicators point to the same person.

I should at least allow her into my PoE. I just had such a strongly authentic toneread on her but other factors can counter that.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:36 pm Jay-- is this gaslighting?
I think it’s misunderstanding. I haven’t viewed nutella’s reads as being unexplained/inexplicable. It’s just a matter of context with her. She’s rarely the sort to go on about some read in detail.
Yet I'm expected to give excruciating detail for every breath I take.

Yeah fuck that.

The problem was you only suspected one person and didn't change at all into the second day.

*That* is gaslighting.

I highly resent suspicion that is based on comparison to a game where I was not scum. Had no teammates and did not play remotely like scum.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:36 pm The last time nutella told me I didn't read her posts she was a cult leader.

That's not really fair. I hadn't even recruited anyone when I died. I basically played like a civilian.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:26 pm @nutella it'd be ideal if you could attempt to explain some of your reads to @Dom. I realize that being all explanatory isn't really your gig, and I support that. Dom's questions warrant a thoughtful reply though, and if you're both dogs (as I suspect) he's gonna have a hard time seeing it without something more.

Much of my poe is just poe in that I had reason to townread everyone else, but I have expressed actual issues with everyone in it as well. Dom just hasn't read my posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:05 pm Worthy of thought.

Rej lynched by a single vote on day 1.

Flipped wolf on his wagon.

Why did Speedchuck not just vote for LC?

Fair.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:59 pm ....that's not a response.

You took issue with me being that flippant.

Have a backbone or don't.

Then give me actual points to respond to. So far you've just suggested that I never expressed suspicion of people in my PoE, which is provably untrue. I've been suspicious of LC and speed for much of the game, I went back a bit on LC yesterday but that doesn't change the fact he's in my PoE. You're also mischaracterizing my sprit vote. I just felt it was my best option at the time. I was wrong.

Dom, you do this with me every game. Take a step back. I'm not bad. Also the replying while I catch up thing is my standard MO. Your beefs have zero meat.

Nice!!

...5 minutes

Hmm the existence of godfather does make that a little sketch. But if he was godfather would he really be that overt, or is it more likely he's just a townie who wasn't really thinking about that issue?

I hope Mac and Epi can make it in to chat a little before the deadline

And.... stagnation phase initiated.

Fayt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:49 pm Oh my clock is off here. I think its in 2 hours then. 1:32 pm pst

Yep. You should be able to fix it in your board preferences

also hello fellow pst-er

About an hour and forty minutes

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:30 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:18 pm [VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine
Whatchoo t'inking eh?
I'm unimpressed. Feel like he's spending more time trying to look the care-free disengaged part, rather than being it. It doesn't seem real to me, more like a fake act especially how he brings up game content in a messing around way. Bonus point, I'm not interested in lynching Drago or LC.

Hard mindmeld here, with the caveat that I'm concerned this isn't the strongest reason to lynch him. I just don't feel like I have anything stronger atm.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:29 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:49 pm How acts Long Con?
What defines you as either alignament?

Who are in your Poe?
I act how I act. I don't do a lot of Mafia self-reflection, I just say what comes to my mind. I'm pretty laid-back, but I can start throwing things around at times when the level of ignoring me gets high enough.

I don't have a POE.
If you are villager and I can't see you villager i will be very sad because that means i am an idiot voting for you.
How come you don't have a Poe. I am voting you. Am i a good one?
You are voting. The one you're voting is not in your Poe?
Using Process of Elimination is just one of many methods of playing this game. It's not my method.

If one is an idiot for being unable to tell who's mafia and who's villager with every vote, then I guess we're all idiots. Right? I don't get why you would be so hard on yourself for being unable to easily put me in a category.
I have to find out asap if my vote is on mafia or town. I need to know. I hate to mislynch a fellow townie.

......

what

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:21 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:16 pm Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.
Dude I have nothing to say except I just simply disagree. I feel like we've been over how it could make sense that the two day 1 wagons were both scum. It's just a matter of perspective.
I highlighted the key word.

Anything "could" make sense. Anything "could" be mafia. That doesn't mean much to me. When comparing the two worlds, I do not understand why people are arriving at the one that requires more presupposition, more moving parts, and less raw sense.

Look, your point about rej having the weakest scum role makes some sense, but it also makes a lot of assumptions about the scum team considering that and being perfect actors in the moment. They may not have intended for LC to have ended up a major contender, but that's what happened on a short time scale at EOD.

All this being said, I'm not feeling very strongly about LC in either direction at the moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:16 pm Anyone voicing suspicion of Long Con and also ignoring everything I am saying gets a spot in the litter box.

Dude I have nothing to say except I just simply disagree. I feel like we've been over how it could make sense that the two day 1 wagons were both scum. It's just a matter of perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:59 pm @nutella why sprityo

Every time he attempts to participate he just flails and it's like he's trying to appear natural and reckless bit it's just awkward

Fwiw my PoE is Dom, Jay, LC, Speed, Sprit. Everyone else is fine in my view.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:45 pm If the present dynamic holds, my vote will be in the [Dragomir, nutella] space.

Blech. Not doing yourself any favors there.

I feel like I missed something about Drago. Why is he on the table

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:47 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:43 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:37 am Whew, caught up
And yet I have no idea where you stand on any of it
Fair
'Caught up' is usually a promise of contribution. Shake the ants out of your pants, both of you.

I prefer the real-time reactions during catch up as I did last night. You should try it.

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