The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:06 am A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.
Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

Also this. Great point.

and the post he just linked from Tree somewhat mirrors his behavior here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:40 pm Alright, so 5 scum

24 players alive

guys I don't think this is MYLO/LYLO, under any circumstances.

Pretty sure there are 20 players alive?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 am I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter
If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

waffling is what I do man, I have trouble deciding if I think your case on him is enough to override my gut townread on him

but you know what you're right, I should stick to my guns since both Jay and RDW were some of my strongest early townreads and I shouldn't let other people convince me I want to lynch them when deep down it feels wrong, whereas I have suspected I_D a fair amount.... ugh I'm really not confident in lynching him either at this point but it feels like the better option here

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 am I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter
If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.
nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

Yeah you can cut off the words "this game" there. I'm waffly. It's how I play. Deal with it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:19 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:16 pm I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.
Okay that makes more sense.

I read nutella as a civilian at face value. I am concerned though that after having handed her the supatown scepter her effort seems to have decreased.

I'm just... not feeling confident about this day phase at all. Maybe I'll join your Wilgy vote. I could try to push a Lap lynch again but it sounds like most people aren't having it.

goodness you guys I swear i haven't had anything to drink tonight i'm just.... feeling like talking all zany and things yknow. it gets quiet in here this time of night, gotta entertain myself

where's my top fellow [mention]Marmot[/mention] at? if you see this, you absolute ledge, what are your thoughts on the jagged one at this finest hour

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:06 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:44 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean
Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.
you used it. what did it mean in that use?
No. You seem to be more enthralled by that word than I am. I know what I meant by throwing it out there. What does it mean to you?

And why do you care about a made up word in a mafia game?

dude chill im just playin. for real though that word's got real potential in this community of practice. excellent coinage

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean
Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.
where was this attitude during the "information" debate

rekt

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:17 am civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean
Linguists don't define words. We let the masses use them and then figure it out.

you used it. what did it mean in that use?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:56 am I kind of hate this tally. Dwarf is mafia and our teammates have to decide between bussing him and bussing me.
FTFY

Lmao

civscape is a pretty cool word, i'll give you that, but hear me out: what the actual literal genuine fuck does it mean

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 am i got your dumb joke epi
Took you a while. Do you get why JJJ is bad? That's more important.

what do you mean took me a while I got it when I read it

and....maybe? I'm not 100% sold

i got your dumb joke epi

AUBERGINE

[4] JaggedJimmyJay - Dragon D. Luffy, MacDougall, Epignosis, sprityo
[3] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, colonialbob, speedchuck
[1] sig - Kenway
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] DrWilgy - JaggedJimmyJay

No vote: DrWilgy, gwilikers6, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, Marmot, nutella, Quin, sig

Re: Kyle -- To be fair he has had some original contributions such as his case on LC. I think he's done ok putting bits of situational pressure on people, but I don't feel like I've seen him follow up pressure continually or make substantial cases with the exception of LC. Otherwise he's gotten involved in a fair amount mechanics discussion, which I do think is normal town behavior for him (especially in a game with so many mechanics to discuss and as they apply to player interactions) but definitely doesn't clear him. I don't see anything particularly suspicious from him though, if he's bad he's doing a great job looking like his town self.

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:48 pm AUBERGINE

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

No vote: Dr. White, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo
@colonialbob yep she was.

...not on day 2 lol which is what that comment was about

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:25 pm The choices of Mafia night kills presuming that they are not redirected point to the Mafia decision making being lead by a strategist.

what do you mean by this?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:18 pm Re: iron_dwarf

His Epi bashing didn't sit right with me, I never really understood why his disagreement with the exercise translated to Epi being scum. He then backed off that d2, before going back n2 after the EoD craziness.

I don't like the "nutella is opportunistic" criticism, it's very vague and just seems to be echoing other suspicions. If true, show your work.

His previous post about Sig not being mafia because of his power makes no sense and he hasn't addressed my questioning of it.

His pressure on RDW clearly indicates he missed some of the discussion between RDW and JJJ, which could be mafia looking for an easy excuse to park their vote.

He was one of the people who voted me early and never provided a case on me despite my repeated asking for one.

All that said, after the ISO a lot of the posting I didn't agree with war how he defended himself against the draft argument (which was a totally valid argument). However, Dr. White being town means that defense isn't necessarily scummy, poor as it is.

Overall I still lean negative on him but it's less strong than before the Dr. White flip.

hmmm ok

...see then he goes and makes a completely believable jaypost like that. maybe I'm a sucker for his analytical methods and maybe I'm falling for his deceit but he just... makes sense.

also I don't think I agree with you DDL about the Mountains comparison, he's different here

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:41 pm The thing I have against Jay is that he reminds me of Mountain Jay, and not in regards to activity. There is something about Jay that is "unpleasant", if I have to describe it.

Like Jay is usually this gentleman that is so easy to deal with. I remember my first game in this site where I would accuse him and people he was civ reading, for silly reasons, and he would use his time to argue with me and listen to my points and constantly reanalyse his own suspicions.

Here, he is more sttuborn. Though I haven't argued with him myself, you can see from the way he is arguing with Epi and White and others that he is not confortable in his arguing. He is resistant to disagreement, and unwilling to let go of his suspicions. The fact he is going after low hanging fruits isn't something I'm very concerned with, but the fact he is so adamant at it when such cases are very weak in nature does. He is setting for easy solutions, and a good scumhunter doesn't accept easy solutions, even if they are willing to go with them from time to time. Like, it's one thing to vote for lapluie and Dr. White, it's another to voice vehement disagreement when people suggest him to abandon them for more juicy cases.

I'm treading dangerous ground here because I've notice Jay is really fatigued in this game, and this is generally non-alignment indicative. He made a post suggesting he shouldn't signed up or been so active, and I support him for that. But I'm trying to figure out if there is an alignment influence in that. Maybe civ Jay would feel less pressure and would be less sttubborn, even if he was pressured for time or mafia fatigued.

So Jay I'm really sorry if you are a civ and I'm being unfair to you, but I need to hunt.

I at the very least disagree with the last sentence, knowing Jay I think he certainly feels a lot of pressure as a civ particularly to perform his supertown persona. Not that he doesn't definitely also feel pressure when bad but I think he handles it differently. I see your trepidation though in that I can't really tell what his scumhunting strategy has been so it may be a façade.

Also I just reread Iron_Dwarf's ISO and honestly with the perspective of knowing Dr. White (as well as Colin to some extent) was town, I don't really see much reason to read him either way. Most of the reasons I suspected him have been neutralized. The one thing being if maybe his reaction to the Dr. White draft thing being "TMI" if he's bad and knew Dr. White was civ all along... but he'd probably legitimately have that reaction as town as well. idk, what's the current case on him? [mention]rundontwalk[/mention] you seem to have a back-and-forth thing going with him which I don't know what to think of, [mention]colonialbob[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] what are your reasons?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:25 pm Nutella what is your read on Jay?

I kind of get the case against him and could tinfoil him as bad given his recent play, but my early townread of him was strong enough that it would very much be tinfoil. Idk, I'm always a bit wary of being tricked by him and his behavior has been a little bit off, but I sympathize with his mafia fatigue and believe that at least to be genuine. But yeah both you and Mac have pointed out some reasonably compelling accusations.

AUBERGINE

[2] JaggedJimmyJay - MacDougall (but doesn't count), Dragon D. Luffy
[3] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, colonialbob, speedchuck
[2] sig - Kenway, sprityo
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] DrWilgy - JaggedJimmyJay

No vote: DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, Marmot, nutella, Quin, sig

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:33 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I keep forgetting he's even in this game.

I think I'm good with an I_D lynch if that's where we want to go today. Although part of my suspicion of him was connected to Dr. White and he was town... I guess I'll reread him. I don't like his stance on "salad" but that's probably just a cultural disagreement. Like, with a rainbow list you are compelled to share your stance on every player in the game, arbitrary though it may sometimes be; if you pick and choose who you talk about, you're obviously free to deliberately leave out players you don't want to draw attention to, and also without the structure of a rainbow you can just say whatever you want with noncommittal words to leave your options open (not that I haven't been guilty of that as either alignment tbf).

why? and don't just say I'm "opportunistic" I've heard that one about 62973 times

Let's get this aubergine up and running

[1] JaggedJimmyJay - MacDougall (but doesn't count)
[2] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, colonialbob
[3] sig - Kenway, Long Con, sprityo

No vote: Dragon D. Luffy, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, JaggedJimmyJay, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Marmot, nutella, Quin, sig

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:18 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:58 am I’d like to make it clear that was a joke

I voted sig yesterday out of mild suspicion and lots of gut. It was my best foot forward and I’ll maintain that stance until I feel it’s appropriate otherwise.

Or perhaps I’m given a more convincing case that actually had fabric. Not that I’d want to just hop on a wagon all willy nilly without putting in work myself.

So yeah: [VOTE: sig] aubergine
God damn it everyone thinks sig is bad. Why do I feel like the only one who thinks he's a civ?

You're not the only one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:17 am "gwilikers said" I didn't even click that gwil was the short form of his name

but you would have understood if you had just read gwil's recent post about his result

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:10 am you guys are giving me whiplash from all the talking past each other/misinterpretation going on here
I think you're a civilian, and right now you might be the only one with his or her head on straight. While I take it easy and recharge my dead batteries, I hereby charge you, brave nutella, with the task of leadership. This is your time, here and now. All of your growth as a player since around the time of the first Phenon game has prepared you for this moment. Take it, own it, and lead the civilians with the iron will I know you have within you. The era of nutella begins today.

I don't know a fucking thing my guy

long con was quoting sig presumably saying that it was suspicious that sig said that, but long con misunderstood a crucial part of that statement which was "gwil said" bc he was referring to gwil saying that he targeted jay and got a result involving sig. yall need to read better

you guys are giving me whiplash from all the talking past each other/misinterpretation going on here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:50 pm wait mac... you just said kenway is bad.... what
did you mix him up with kites again
What is this?

somebody mixed up kenway and kites at some point in the game, I don't recall who so it was kind of a joke but also because you had kites at the bottom of your list

...you responded to his response with "you're hella bad" but ok maybe that was sarcasm

wait mac... you just said kenway is bad.... what
did you mix him up with kites again

hmmm yeah that is certainly fishy.

....so what is this "theory"

why do you believe sig is scum? you must have a reason

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?
This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.
How so?
She's not reading all of the posts and it very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

fwiw she's a native french speaker lmao

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

lol it's so we have a keyword to search and find all the posts with votes in them. I think it was colin's idea?

btw it looks like the Rico's army recruitment poll had a 3-way tie but DDL won, maybe that's why he's in the post

RIP tony and colin

and yeah the post reads like the wyvern killed colin. sig, was he your intended target? and DDL do you have any idea what's going on with you in the post?

also what's the part about king ricosdad and pinky about

linki kyle no...? why are you asking me specifically? I wasn't even on a misdirect night :S

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:01 am what time does the next dawn happen? hypothetically speaking

I'm pretty sure the poll time reflects end of night (though probably actions are due an hour before it ends, and preferably 12 hours before in order to level up so that's in like an hour)

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] any idea what happened/how you survived?

ohh dr white has now been revealed as Town (in both the OP and the lynch post)

also relevantly [mention]gwilikers6[/mention] is a magic user now adjacent to [mention]sig[/mention] on the list so he has to say "let the wyvern rider through tonight" or whatever to let sig use his power (if he's going to)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:46 pm Yes but lapluie calls him "boss" in the story.

Jackofhearts2005 can you confirm if White was civ or bad?

I thought the "boss" was to col bob?? after the nomad (white) "fades away"?? (how did he even die lol) I'm so confused

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:44 pm gwilikers is part of badguyia now. :O

ohh that checks out with the "monk" thing I guess

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:39 pm So White was bad? This is what I got from the write-up.

I'm having trouble understanding the writeup at all, can you explain

also hope your son is ok jack

what the heck???? O_o

Was sure cbob was dead, but dr white instead? And no flip wtf

Aww Jack doesn't trust our tallies.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:57 amIt's about giving my civilian teammates the best I can give them even if it kills me.
I am asking other civilians for permission:

Can I stop? Can I play like a normal person for the rest of the game? It hurts me. My head is throbbing. Please. If you suspect me I understand. Let me rest. I will do my best at least to the point of not wanting to stick my head in the oven.

dude you don't need to ask for permission to make a healthy lifestyle choice

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