The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:23 pm far more likely to have good reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:14 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:10 pm I haven’t found dizzy wolfy. Or scotty.

Dizzy is never "wolfy" as a wolf. They have immaculate presentation. You need to try harder to read them, which in this gamestate is hard because of the, as you've said, "tropiness" of everything. Dizzy is well placed to be able to easily snake through in this type of gamestate. I don't think Dyslexicon has exhibited an intent to contribute to the town wincon through the lions share of their posts. Their analysis has been disjointed, they have no fire and I am also annoyed with them right now and have decided everyone making me feel bad can die for selfish reasons.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:10 pm I haven’t found dizzy wolfy. Or scotty.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:40 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:33 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:31 pm I think PC role revealed and is town.

probably dizzy town?

we didnt role reveal, mafia chat probably has a list of all claims. missing a claim sure can happen for maf. but thinking a non-claimed person claimed - probably a town derp who doesnt have access to a list of claims thats worked on by 8 or so ppl

*checks list of claims* Oh never mind.

Actually, I'm confused now. I think I know your role, but maybe I'm wrong. Doesn't matter at this point in time.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:21 pm Actually think ilario would be a solid choice for mafia to want out of their way and him flipping 3p is convenient enough to claim

They also were clearly openwolfing... well I guess open 3ping.

I don't understand this pov but ok lol

I mean, did you read their ISO?

112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:36 pm yeah i was reading some MR posts after nightfall and he's p clearly wolfing imo

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:21 pm Actually think ilario would be a solid choice for mafia to want out of their way and him flipping 3p is convenient enough to claim

They also were clearly openwolfing... well I guess open 3ping.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:06 pm I was grouping you with creature who I more firmly town read atp but despite your low content d1 I had the impression you were on your own doing what you wanted and waiting for the game to narrow down to solve more, like in SPL

I was only waiting in SPL because I was PR and wanted to not get killed early before I scouted.

Alright then if you're not intentionally laying low here then let's hear some spicy takes (other than me wolf)

I'mma just gonna stick with Nutella wolf.

I just skimmed your d1 iso and it's much less towny than I thought tbh wowee

Also you claimed the ilario shot, wanna talk about that?

Yeah, I shot Ilario. Might shoot you tonight.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:06 pm I was grouping you with creature who I more firmly town read atp but despite your low content d1 I had the impression you were on your own doing what you wanted and waiting for the game to narrow down to solve more, like in SPL

I was only waiting in SPL because I was PR and wanted to not get killed early before I scouted.

Alright then if you're not intentionally laying low here then let's hear some spicy takes (other than me wolf)

I'mma just gonna stick with Nutella wolf.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:08 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm Btw I saw the shot on IAWY but haven't read up on any claims in D2 or anything, so if there's anything worthwhile in terms of mech or whatever...

Creature claimed a redcheck on you.

OMG HE'S LYING I CC

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:06 pm I was grouping you with creature who I more firmly town read atp but despite your low content d1 I had the impression you were on your own doing what you wanted and waiting for the game to narrow down to solve more, like in SPL

I was only waiting in SPL because I was PR and wanted to not get killed early before I scouted.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 am i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

Yeah

Think they've both been townish independently anyway

When have I been townish? I've done jackshiz all game.

Idk

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:01 pm @Dyslexicon @Master Radishes Hey I think ur cool let's see some dank posts k

Literally catching up right now bb

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 am i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

Yeah

Think they've both been townish independently anyway

When have I been townish? I've done jackshiz all game.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:23 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:06 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pm

I'm sabi not sabie

You only played one game with me

Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.

I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead

This feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacy

Sooooo hmmmm

it's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOL
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia

I remembered this last night lol, pretty sure neither Sabi nor Sig responded to it

I didn’t since it was directed at Sabi given their flip I think it’s pretty clear they thought I was a LHF who they could vote off without getting any blame when I flipped

This matter imo is laid to rest i confused two players a quick look at Cartoon Mafia proves I confused two players, and they saw it wasn’t getting traction and dropped it

Yeah it's a funny post, but I do think you're spewed town a bit from it. If only because it'd be a weird play if you're on a team. You call Sabi the wrong name, then she calls you out on it, doesn't seem orchestrated

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:59 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.

I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.

/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist

I’d not want to vote off this phase

Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted

Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish

Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy


I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.


Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.

I'm sabi not sabie

You only played one game with me

Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.

I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead

This feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacy

Sooooo hmmmm

it's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOL
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia

I remembered this last night lol, pretty sure neither Sabi nor Sig responded to it

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:21 am Marmot has about 3 times as many posts as me, and about half as much content, so far.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:17 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Was this a serious vote?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:13 pmFirst

First person to post is always mafia, and said marmot said first it means he was first ergo marmot is mafia

The second person to say second is also always mafia.

Why are you voting me praytell

For not knowing what a marmot is.

Guess not.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:29 pm Guillo is kinda wolfy like in the Anni g2 game :3

Anni? What anni?

The game where you died Day 1 as wolf last October (although I can't remember if you were chopped or killed via by a 3P)

I don't remember how you played in that game tbh.

This feels a little cozy to me. I have no sense of Guilliotine so far, never played with him.

They voted Sabi early, then made several @ posts at them, but I haven't seen that Sabi replied to them. Distancing vote?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:02 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:59 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:57 am ilario has zero on-topic content. Kill him.

Mindmeld. Also Sabi is mafia. get them.

You right.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Yet while their vote is still on Sabi, they posted this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:08 am Guillo null
Neon slight v
lucy slight v
sig v
Sabi null
Creature slight w
Rask slight v


Here are some reads I have from the last page or so because I refuse to backread further.

Then about half an hour later, posted this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:37 am

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:36 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:34 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:32 am Somebody tell me who to vote for.

Hmmm.

I don't see Hmmm in the poll.

Regardless, my lily vote has not given me any feelz, so I think I'mma move back to Nutella. Maybe.

Vote me. There's 1600 posts and nobody has voted me it's scaring me.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Not sure if this vote was even serious tbh.

All righty, I guess not, becasue she thanked them for the vote, they uwu'ed her and then:

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:41 am Neon's my strongest townread atm. She's the top poster, and a large amount of it is fluff yes, but she does seem to be naturally responding with game takes amidst her shitposting, and I think that combination of content is pretty townie.

It's also a drastic change from Holes Mafia, where she had trouble pushing other players in the game when she tried (namely me)

I agree with Marmot here, I think she is playing nothing like Holes, which is a good look for her. But marmot is playing nothing like Holes either, which is a not so good look for them.

Again, not sure if he's mostly joking, or intentionally trying to be all over the place so they can fall back on "obvs shitposting" defense. Earlier I had said I had no sense of anything Marmot has said, and i still don't. Will finish up after work.

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About halfway through this read and I gotta go get ready for work. As always, i will try to keep read up, but not sure how much posting, Accountants are coming today and they annoyingly expect you to not fiddle on the phone when they're there. Hasta la vista, honies!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:45 am

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:39 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:42 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:39 am GN Neon.

ALso Sabi/Marmot ww confirmed

I'd call this the dream team, except no wolf team with me on it would ever be considered a dream team.

Spoiler: show

But it's my dream team

pretty interesting post given rask is the likely mafia nk too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:37 am well i think sabi is actually implying her poe has wolves in it for a start in the way she's demonstrating that it's a better POE than Nutella's... it's the sort of post a wolf makes when they are townsiding

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:31 am i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:23 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:50 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:44 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:40 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:39 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:24 pm OK my vote is stale and hk can be dealt with later so I'm moving to iawy since I don't like the Dennis and Cape wagons at all.

Dennis is the only of the three who has struck me as slightly wolfy, but I am interested in a fourth option if one could be found and agreed upon.

Who are your options for a 4th

I just shifted my vote back to [VOTE: guillotine] aubergine so that's one. That he pushed the 'golden's town read of kate doesn't make sense' and actively said 'I'll solve this game when it's bigger' means he falls into both the categories of 'easy wolfy things' that I have engaged in.

Not sure why Urist gets so many town reads.

112, TSP and MR all fall into a 'haven't seen town hunting' but I don't know any of them well and it feels like others suggest this might be NAI?

That'd be my top 5 atm.

I'm fine with Guillotine or MR in that list.

Idk I think 112 and Tsp can be sorted out via night actions

May I offer ilario?

possibly good look for MR and bad for 112?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:29 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:22 am

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:19 am Nutella had Marmot near lock town on day 1 so that's the main thing giving me pause on Marmot. I actually personally wolfread him and just tactically deferred to her read cuz the wagons were already well set and it served no purpose saying anything about that read at the time.

we had t/t/t wagons cape/iawy/dennis we should change our reads (except mine i didnt change them coz theyre perfect)

yes but we were never gonna chop anyone but cape or iawy at the time and i was more interested in trying to figure out which of the two was a better chop than trying to piss into the wind

yea i meant about trusting nutella

well contextually nutella was just answering my question when i was asking who i should sheep, she mentioned marmot and I had just scumread him and just dropped the read cuz she said he was goating. I just read his ISO and he shielded her very flaccidly at one point with a meta read which seems to be the reason she thinks he was goating cuz his content otherwise is pretty average to bad. His ISO is level 1 wolfy to me and his progression on sabi was bad.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:25 am Bc why not say they'd assume you'd shoot town regardless of who on the list it was. Your target was narrowed down and you facilitated an easy way to get a town target the way you claimed in thread

I mean I literally wrote in thread that I thought pyxxy was outed mafia, pyxxy even made a meme about it. It's not hard to imagine mafia just going "well Alison is probably going to shoot the person she called an outed wolf, and we know that person is town, so why block her?" I did say I wouldn't disclose who my shot target would be at EOD1 but anyone capable of basic reading between the lines would be able to see that it was likely to be pyxxy.

Another possibility is that everyone I was likely to shoot (pyxxy, Radishes, Porscha was my shortlist and I think it was fairly easily guessable) was just town so they didn't give a fuck

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:20 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:14 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:12 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:10 am Why do you think you weren't blocked?

the most obvious one is that mafia figured I'd shoot pyxxy and didn't feel threatened by it? or they just didn't have a blocker

What about the other names you were suggested, like Radishes? Do you think he's just town too, or that the wolves somehow specifically thought you'd go for pyxxy?

In the world where they didn't have a blocker they couldn't do jack shit about my shot

In the world where they do have a blocker I think Radishes is pretty likely to be town yeah.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:18 am
This is also a defense against the people who are asking why I wasn't blocked/killed

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:12 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:10 am Why do you think you weren't blocked?

the most obvious one is that mafia figured I'd shoot pyxxy and didn't feel threatened by it? or they just didn't have a blocker

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:09 am ok I lied I didn't go to bed, couldn't sleep

catching up now

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:06 am I forgot how insufferable this game is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:57 am Re: Alison — she is 100% the type of player to claim her ability as mafia and then use it in a way that appears pro-town at the earliest opportunity. I’m confident I have seen her do it before, but my Active Mafia Playing days are ancient history and I forget where and when she’s done it.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:55 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:53 am Not looking forward to the fight back but feeling this rn [VOTE: alison] aubergine

Pyxxy shot and her not being blocked really feels too convenient

Probably more likely that scum aren't in the 0-posters and are happy to let them die, rather than that Alison announced her vig shot as scum and made a boring shot with it

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:53 am Honestly I talk mechanics and people dismiss it as thought mechanics don’t inherently shift wolf motivation therefore wolf behaviour. Even the soup wolves themselves may not know if it’s multiball.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:45 am Ngl entertaining the possibility of multiball has broken my brain and has me feeling super directionless wrt reads. The best I can do is shore up confident towncore and even some of those are a lil shaky now

There is no such thing as multi-ball. Town is all that matters.

Yeah but my point is some of my TRs could actually be mafia who are legitimately hunting/pushing people they actually think could be hits and would make them look good too. I know you prefer to not let it complicate things early on but if it's the reality it does actually mess with some of my reasons for trusting people. Not all, but some.

They can still appear hunty looking for antitown 3p too. This is what I was saying from the very start (people never listen to me on this stuff). We need to undervalue hunting as a townclear. But that’s ok, as long as you know it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:45 am Ngl entertaining the possibility of multiball has broken my brain and has me feeling super directionless wrt reads. The best I can do is shore up confident towncore and even some of those are a lil shaky now

There is no such thing as multi-ball. Town is all that matters.