The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:37 am What is an order?

Yours is Rodentia

yeah I'm coming around to marmot being likely wolf. I think Alison is probably just right it's TL/marmot....if I'm to trust you which is still a bit of a hangup but yeah I've been whittling down the possible worlds and arriving more or less there

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:35 am Treat this game like philo, chop the day vig

pls no

god this game is confusing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:32 am Nutella strongly doubting the “roles were distributed randomly” theme and going instead with the “the mafia team had a specific set of roles designed in coordination with a lost wolf in the setup, breaking multiple of the stated rules, and the only person who knew this decided to claim it”

what

so LC and Vulgard, two wolves who died on D1, were TSP's "handlers"

or LC's thing passed on to Vul anyway, and that included/was related to being one of the "right people" I could shoot

except I continued to have "right people" after that, while TSP is claiming to have no more handlers

but maybe TSP is one now, whether he's a lost wolf or an unwitting lackey that's somehow town?

but I know Alison is one as well and idk what that would mean

maybe I'm reading too much into things

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:28 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:17 am Assuming he's not lying about the bulletproof of course. It is actually a little odd that he has two abilities. Did you always have both TSP? Also, what exactly does your role entail?
I think they fit together in theme— I’m a tough guy. At the beginning of the game I received an order and could choose whether to carry it out, then when both of my handlers were dead (the end of day 1). I could choose my orders.

....bro......that really fucking sounds like a lost wolf...... .lmao

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:30 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:12 am Actually, don't nutella and TSP also have a private chat? So much info has come out in this thread, I'm having trouble recollecting.
No that was a joke

sorry, just a wider mafia culture thing you probably haven't encountered before, but it's sort of a meme/fairly common thing to fakeclaim masons with someone as a way of stating a confident townread, that's all I was doing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:02 am Let’s assume there is a lost wolf. We’ve assumed LW in Punk Chat. Would they join mafia chat when punk chat returned?

maybe

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:58 am Also there's a mysterious mechanic that decides whether the punk roleblock goes through. If it's 3) and the notes were sent by a hidden mechanic then Occam's Razor says that both of those mechanics are linked somehow.

I mean FG's flipped role was at least part if not all of the mechanic regarding the rb, or at least that seems to be the consensus interpretation

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:57 am If it's 2 then I would heavily suspect that there's 2 wolves in the punk chat and they wrote the lost wolf in because they were upset at how many people in the main thread got spewed town off LC/Vulgard and wanted to cast doubt on associative reads by bringing in the existence of a lost wolf.

hmmm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:55 am Nutella you got a wand from Enrique night 1. What did this wand say/do? You’ve claimed it informed you of the existence of Sloonei, is this all?

All I received on N1 was the knowledge of the existence of the rolecard that was later revealed as Sloonei's.

I'm not bpv

I'm not shooting Alison.

[VOTE: trustworthy] aubergine again I guess

That was from Enrique, he claimed sending me a thing

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:24 am There wasn't a not when Syn was killed though, although I guess it's likely someone else (possibly Sloonei) was killed instead

Did someone receive a note Night 1 that they revealed?

On N1 I received knowledge of the existence of the role that Sloonei later flipped as

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:12 am Actually, don't nutella and TSP also have a private chat? So much info has come out in this thread, I'm having trouble recollecting.

No that was a joke

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:06 am I think Quin is right here. I think Nutella could be the lost wolf.

I am not, my rolecard is explicitly town

I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

channeling my inner mac to say that i've solved the game and you can all go home now

It's harder for me to conceptualize Marmot worlds because of his unique position as bridge between OG thread and punks. I know you think I'm mafia with him but that's not the case, so setting that aside do you think he must be mafia with another OG threader, or could the other one be TL from your pov?

I think it's just like.... 95% the team is two of TSP/TL/Marmot

There's like a very very thin possibility of Alison/Quin completely fucking with me but I think I just trust them now and it's two of the above

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:13 pm Actually, why the hell would TSP want to lock Quin up today?

I assume that's the same as the Macdougal/Alison locking up from the other day.

oh wait I totally forgot that he had claimed that too LMAO

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] after the sloonei thing you claimed giving positive/negative effect thingies, is this in addition to your apparent ability to remove people from the thread?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm lmao the nutella marmot team is gettin extremely persuasive rn

alison don't roleclaim pls

okay, you are on the wrong track but I believe that you believe this

I think Alison is onto TL/TSP as the most likely team rn

TSP pls more info pls aaaaaaaaa

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.
Don't fish for PRs please.
I really think it's the time to just have our cards out, if you have an argument as to why that's dangerous then fine but like mafia already know things that we don't and getting more info out in the open can help us solve this

I was fully expecting to be NKed for my role already so like, whatever
If there's a protector shouldn't you want them to stay hidden so you can stay alive?

I mean, I guess, if they actually didn't target me last night and/or can double-target

Idk

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.
Don't fish for PRs please.

I really think it's the time to just have our cards out, if you have an argument as to why that's dangerous then fine but like mafia already know things that we don't and getting more info out in the open can help us solve this

I was fully expecting to be NKed for my role already so like, whatever

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.

I mean unless it's exactly Quin and he can self-protect (as he seemed to go along with an assumption he was targeted) (which I find weird as he was a leading wagon yesterday but I need more clarity on TSP's claim as well)

(really everyone should just fullclaim and stop being cagey)

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] you have claimed a couple different abilities by now, can you please just clearly full claim at this point?

I thought TSP was claiming "locking Quin up" and not necessarily killing him

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

oh boy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:46 pm In the night! @Sloonei has died. They reveal to be:

Comprehensive Detective

Every night (starting N1), you will be presented with an OCCURRENCE. You can choose to EMBRACE it or REJECT it--after making your decision, an unknown effect will occur.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
He was found clutching a scrap of paper that read “THERE IS OR WAS A LOST SCUM, THE GM WAS NOT CLEAR, BUT THERES AT LEAST ONE, OH GOD WHAT IS THAT AT THE DOOR AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.”

In addition, Mac and alison have returned to the thread and may post, vote, and be voted for.

In addition! With a thundering crash and bolts of super cool lightning, turnip head, quin, trustworthy liberal, and hyena have joined the thread and may now post, vote, and be voted for.

@Alison
@nutella
@MacDougall
@Funnygurl555
@Marmot
@TonyStarkPrime
@Turnip Head
@Quin
@Trustworthy Liberal
@Hyena

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:35 pm Actually, could someone point me to the post where the Lost Wolf was first mentioned?

It was Sloonei's death, one sec

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

This could make sense, yeah. I'm also just weirded out by Quin and trying to figure out if worlds with him make sense in some way as well. But I can def see this

Alison, you have not commented on my receiving knowledge that I can kill you. Any reaction, or perhaps insight on why your role might be a target?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:32 pm I believe we don't know enough about the Lost Wolf to lock TSP as town.

^This, and it sketches me out that Quin is insisting on it

Oh lol hm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:29 pm Actually, if TSP was the killer and I blocked him, would there even be a mafia in the Punk group? If there was, wouldn't they just have that person make the kill since it would be impossible for them to be blocked?

I've been thinking we're likely at 1 factional wolf and 1 lost wolf left, so I don't think that'd be an option. I think it's likely TSP is the factional wolf and had to make the kill, and the lost wolf is likely someone in the punk group.

Maybe.

Idk.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:28 pm Wait a minute. Didn't TSP receive info N2/D3? If that's the case, could Alison be the one who's giving out the info? But why would she tell you to shoot her?

I mean I got the impression that the person sending something doesn't necessarily know what they're sending. That was implied from both Enrique's and TSP's claims.

I think it's probably best for me to resist the temptation to shoot Alison today, especially if we think TSP is mafia (but also especially if we have any fear of mischopping today, so... either way lol), as hard as it is to resist

I wonder if we should just have everyone full claim at this point? Might not be helpful since roles are independent of alignment so mafia can't really be caught in anything (and could potentially hold stuff back), and there's the fear of giving them more info, but a fair amount of info is out there already and maybe we should just lay out all our cards to see what we have to work with.

I sort of wanted to wait to hear from Alison before revealing that but oh well. I hinted enough that she'd probably have guessed anyway

Oh right, lol. hmm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:20 pm I wasn't even that confident TSP is mafia lol. It's really Mac's legacy I was fulfilling.

Well, Mac's legacy is that one of TSP and Alison is mafia, right?

Alison is my target.

I wonder if I received the info from mafia and am specifically being told of a town target as bait...

Maybe that's crazy though? Idk the info-giving thing fits as TSP's claim and it could be giving me info that can theoretically help mafia if it's the negative side

I am feeling very conflicted. If we're confident TSP is mafia I probably shouldn't shoot my target today because they are unlikely to be w/w imo. That probably reveals who it is lol.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!
It's also possible mafia didn't nightkill last night in an attempt to frame. They wouldn't have known I was going to switch the target, so if that's the case, the would've done it with nutella in mind.

That seems extremely unlikely

Yeah Syn died N1 in place of someone else (presumably; he was suspected and prob died in place of Sloonei)

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

If we're feeling confident in this, should I still take my shot as well? (It's not TSP)

That definitely changes things lol

I think TSP being the killer is way, way more likely than there being a doc. For various reasons including but not limited to TSP making sense as mafia in other ways, and there having been a bodyguard already.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:09 pm Hyena, I did change our target from nutella to TSP.

Now that's spicy

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