The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:56 am Like unflipped associative reads aside, Juliets is null. I read those posts and they don’t even move my Juliets needle. They give you a confident scumread on her. That smells to me.

I think Hyena believes his MP read even if it’s wrong.

I’m inclined to think Nutella doesn’t believe her Juliets read.

In the event I find myself shaken by flips not going how I plan on them going, I lose confidence. So if I was in Nutella’s shoes and I did find those posts suspicious, I’d be like “Sooooo maybe Juliets is scum. Idk. It’s the best I’ve got” not “I am confident in my scumread of Juliets so I’m keeping all the townreads I have even though I just lost my shit over an incorrect townread.”

It doesn’t feel like an actual town mindset.

Supposing Nutella is scum with MP. MP comes charging in. Nutella gives out an easy townread and then pushes on one of the null quartet off flimsy shit. That may not be what we’re seeing but that scenario feels consistent with Nutella’s actions and mindset in a way her being town doesn’t.

Or she’s scum and MP isn’t and figures she isn’t getting the lynch, accepts her pocket and shifts elsewhere. Also not necessarily the case but consistent.

I don't know what to tell you. I believe in my scumread of juliets. It's an actual town mindset. Sorry.

Like, I was starting to suspect juliets before all this anyway. Even before MR's flip. It's not like I pulled this out of nowhere.

I'm looking forward to speedchuck coming back in the morning to all this. I think it's like 50/50 whether he fully agrees with me on juliets or fully decides I'm scum.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:53 am “If you must lynch me” is pretty dramatic for someone with one vote on them

I'm not too worried about it, but I recognize that a lot of people suspect me and if resolving me is what's going to get them to believe my juliets case and solve the game, so be it. Obviously I'd much rather we just lynch juliets today and see if I'm right.

I guess we'll just see who's right in the end. If you must lynch me, just promise you'll lynch juliets next.

Yall I caught you a free scum and everyone's just ignoring me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:48 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:39 am Why do you think my juliets push is opportunistic? Nobody else even talked about her before I did. It's an original case.
Because it’s weak and you’re pretending it’s strong.

I think it's strong. We just disagree. I feel like you're using "opportunistic" wrong.

Why do you think my juliets push is opportunistic? Nobody else even talked about her before I did. It's an original case.

But yeah I do actually think they talked about each other less than they talked about most other players. I haven't quantified that, it's from a glance, but it felt like a significant difference when I looked for each other's names in their isos.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 am Like there’s 14 other players D1 and 12 others D2, there’s gonna be a lot of handwavey fluff interactions. I don’t see it as meaningful either way without meta that says one of them specifically interacts with partners that way, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a scum game from either one, so....it’s a big ol shrug and an “ok, sure.” from me.

Oh so you've actually just forgotten the GOC lol.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.

Likewise

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:21 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:05 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:01 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?
My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.
Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.
These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.
I’m barely reading this game I’m not gonna go read another one. And as a matter of principle I refuse to.

You can say “Jules has good tone regardless of alignment” but until I’m wrong I’m going to continue to TR her the way I have successfully before, small sample size be damned.
OK fine, but don't ignore the other thing I said. Give my case a look.
I don’t know how radishes or Jules normally handle partners so it’s pretty meaningless for me.

On radish's front I'd say we did a pretty dang good job of catching his teammates in the GOC based on interactive reads. And I know you like individual-specific reasons, but I'll argue that the way they treated each other here is more broadly very teammate compatible based on a general pattern of scum behavior. Plus, when you specifically compare it to how each of them treated almost everyone else, it's notably lacking. Like, when reading through MR's iso I found reasons to dissociate most other players from him, and juliets talked about most other players a fair amount as well. So the hole is gaping and conspicuous when it comes to their pairing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.

And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--
The justification for being “confident in Juliets being scum” is so weak.

Radishes didn’t talk about her a bunch. Juliets asked a question and then didn’t follow up.

I don’t believe this stuff.

Do you have anything better?

It's strong enough for me, when I townread everyone else

And I do actually think it's quite strong. That's a teammate interaction pairing if I've ever seen one.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:21 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:05 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:01 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?
My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.
Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.
These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.
I’m barely reading this game I’m not gonna go read another one. And as a matter of principle I refuse to.

You can say “Jules has good tone regardless of alignment” but until I’m wrong I’m going to continue to TR her the way I have successfully before, small sample size be damned.

OK fine, but don't ignore the other thing I said. Give my case a look.

Such a beautiful teal color.

MP makes a good point though, if you think the way I locked MR town makes sense as a way I would treat a mafia teammate, I don't know what to say about your nutellameter lmao. If it's that beyond repair you might not be able to trade it in for anything better than a glorfindar.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:13 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.
I don't believe this reaction.
That could not be more diametrically opposed to my view, so it'd be cool if you could talk to me more about this. I think it looks completely stream of consciousness, especially given the string of multiple posts prior to it.
Consider: It is D2. Both you and Nutella could flip town and Speed could flip wolf right now and I wouldn’t be that dramatic about it.

I didn’t even know that was such a strong townread of hers or why.

I had him and speed in the "never lynch" tier of my list complete with a "these people are never scum here" description so I thought I'd made it pretty clear I had locked him town. I gave reasons a couple times though admittedly they weren't the most fleshed out, a lot of it was gut. Maybe in the future I shouldn't have lock town reads without more substantial reasons (I do still consider my reasons for Speed substantial lol) but it felt really really strong to me. I can't really defend it.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:30 pm Yeah, a lot of these quotes look really icky in retrospect. And lol the 112 stuff too

I'm sold. [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine
Explain to me better what you were thinking here.

I just thought that it looked plausible that you were involved in saving MR -- the point about knowing Nanook would self-pres so you specifically chose sig to make the 4-4-4 made sense. In retrospect though I don't necessarily view your EOD behavior as having that much agenda to it though, we seemed to be in similar boats then just flailing around and spontaneously deciding to go for the tie there.

Also at the time Hyena made that case I was feeling so at sea after MR's flip that when I saw a case on my OG first suspect appear it was like a life preserver I could latch onto. At the time very few things were making sense to me and that seemed like it potentially could. The feeling faded when you returned and now I'm the captain of HMS Juliets.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:03 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:46 pm I still suspect Juliets even if she was the only one to explain her Sig vote.
Lol ok
Diction here is weird for juliets as well. I would have guessed this was Wilgy.

Discord's done a number on her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:01 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?
My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.
Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.

These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.

Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.

And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:17 pm 112 suspected MP7:

Spoiler: show
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:30 pm MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

I tend to simultaneously hate these arguments and believe them. Like, I can't deny this is probably true, wifom be damned.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:45 pm Ehhh

Radishes stealing Jack’s power doesn’t, like, 100% lock jim town...but combined with it being a fairly useless scum power (and I have to believe scum have something useful since town has a day vig), I’m inclined to think he’s probably just town. Almost certainly not interested there until f3.

Yeah, basically this.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”
If that's true, surely I will get there, or you can explain it to me if you'd like.

It's from the beginning of the day, you should have already read it unless you skipped? He claimed news reporter and that the published news report wasn't what he wrote because MR stole his ability.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:42 pm [VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine
I’m mechanically cleared.

“Nice try.”

As much as I hate to admit, this is probably true. Like, you could have pulled that as a gambit but if that's the case you deserve to win lol. I really really really want to think you are bad here because you're being so boneheadedly wrong about me, but I have to take the role thing into account and it just makes a hell of a lot more sense if you're town.

Juliets is bad though trust me. I did my homework.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:41 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm I am honestly speechless. My MR townread was one of the strongest convictions I had. I honestly have no idea what to think of this game now. I'm at square one.
Alright, so you're lock town for the foreseeable future, so that's pretty cool.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:16 pm Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.
These are the most bullshit undeserving townreads I’ve ever seen.

I know the first one is correct, and the second one is not particularly strong.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?
I made a compromise. I didn't like how fast the Sig wagon grew, and although I suspect Nanook, I don't feel confident enough to vote him yet. I'd prefer a Tony lynch, but I can settle for MR given the current alternatives.
Thanks for explaining Hyena. I admit I'm torn on sig.

She pretended to be interested in why MR was getting votes but then didn't really acknowledge it afterward and instead focused on sig.

This was her only reaction to MR's sudden demise:

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm But also wtf just happened
A day vig?

Hardly even looks surprised.

...Aaaaaand that's all we got fellas. I'm not impressed.

juliets has moved from being just the only active player I don't actively townread to being an active suspect based on MR interactions and/or lack thereof.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Since I had a bad feeling from MR's mentions of juliets I'm gonna look at the other side of that pairing real quick

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm Can I vote for speedchuck then

Or maybe I’m too focused on the “people pushing me for bad reasons” genre

Sigh, I probably need to reassess even speed. If he's not town here I will...idk eat some weird thing someone dares me to eat.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:22 pm I don’t even care if this is a pocket tbh, I’m bought and paid for
I should probably talk mafia philosophy a different time, but I can't help but at least voice a quick opinion here.

The pocket is always worth it to me to work with towncore. Just because I got pocketed and lose in an F3 or something occasionally, as intensely crushing as that is (it took me days to not be depressed after losing to Mexal in my S5 qualifier, because that's how much this game means to me), doesn't mean the method of forming towncores isn't sound. It absolutely is. It helps to win games. It helps to foster cooperation. It can help crunch scum teams even in tough games. It's worth the downside, especially when you have solid town players in the core who are able and willing to re-assess.
I 100% agree, especially when I know the players better/have a better feel for them towncore is my preferred method of playing.

I generally agree as well, I tend to have a better time finding strong townreads than strong scumreads, especially early on. The problem is they're sometimes wrong, and the other problem (which I'm facing now) is that I have too many reasons to townread too many people and am not left with much POE to work with

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Look MP can read me better than you can now.

These are MR's only mentions of juliets (not counting when he listed vote counts):

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:56 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:45 pm Hey MR, what are your current reads and/or POE? Sorry if this question is answered somewhere else.
Probs town: LC, 112, Speed, maybe Jack based off recent posts, maybe Hyena?

Not lynching per activity: PC, Wilgy

Inner PoE: TSP, DDL, sig

Outer PoE: Nook, nutella, I guess Juliets (not SRing her really, just don't know what her scum game looks like), making my mind up on you still

Ask me in a few minutes and I'll probably shuffle my PoE around.

Link: jfc MP stop posting

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:43 pm Okay but seriously, how does one figure out when Juliets is scum?

Not inspiring.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 pm Secret vote is perfect for resolving a slot like sloonei/poison. Idk about you guys but I’m going to have a very hard time ever letting that slot get to LYLO, and since everyone is apparently so queasy about using a TK on a non entity slot this way lets them get over it a bit easier maybe?

Idk but I feel like two consecutive days of nothing from that slot needs to be resolved. Ironically I think sloonei is the person that would most agree with me

Yeah you're probably right. I'm fine with voting out that slot, or wilgy though there is more of a chance he starts doing things at some point (and he can be a great player late game if he does get involved)

At this point juliets is somehow my top suspect simply because I townread everyone else more (except the two nothing slots). Really doesn't feel great.

Also I'm already back to thinking you're town again.

God damn it I can't just townread everyone now. I just feel so lost. I think I need to step away and come back to the game with fresh eyes. I thought I had it nearly solved and then my reads were all turned on their heads.

But you'll see that anyway. If any of your questions somehow still apply when you are fully caught up let me know lol

Everything you're quoting and asking me about is outdated and irrelevant lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:08 pm I think it’s time Nutella considered it may just be Nutella.

Nope.

(And sloon I forgot that slot existed again)

(And wilgy lol)

DDL looks pretty clear too imo.

Now all my suspects are cleared and I don't know what to dooooo

Except juliets and MP

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:19 am I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side
I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.
My own role is one that I would immediately assume is an evil role, but I'm a civilian. That's why I thought that the teams are probably divided among infected and uninfected, or something.

nah seeing this again just brings me right back to thinking LC has to be town. Goddammit

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:52 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:55 am This is also your first game in awhile, I believe, and I'm the player you know best. In fact, I suspect you're not overly familiar with anyone else except to some extent Hyena and Nutella. So I wasn't surprised that you zeroed in on me (/us) immediately and ignored other players.
What if I'm not actually suspecting you, am mafia, and just FoSed you in order to score townpoints? You're just assuming I'm town, which is exactly what I want in the proverbial world where I'm scum.
Oh my god this is amazing, I am on this.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
This is probably the best point against MR.

@Master Radishes what do you have to say about this? Were you assuming 112 is town, and if so do you have good reason for that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:37 pm That is a good point about MR.

shrug

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:56 pm nutella, the MR-LC connection is a dead end. Trust me.

Eh?

Oh I got sidetracked from looking up more LC stuff. I think he looks like a potential Radish teammate but need to dig up more stuff to assess. Jack may be right that those quotes were more likely buddying town but that last one really got me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:52 pm I don’t really want to kill MP tbh

Yes I know the tie thing doesn’t look great when it functionally saved radishes but my gut says he’s town

Also a reason I can’t really say cause it involves an ongoing game.

Hmph

Well I for one still haven't sent my secret vote because I knew there was another day. So we have time to hash that out.

Yeah we are supposed to have another day but the poll is set to end today.

Wait yeah we totally should have another day. The poll must have been set wrong.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:47 pm Lol I thought the day ended in 4 min not an hour and 4 min.

....I thought we had another day. Shit

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