The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good

Hmm... if it takes too long I may have to reconsider, I've only got a few weeks of less work. Oh well I love your new sig addition!

Epignosis wrote:Naming Simon's bird won S~V~S a role check. She picked boo.

I only had THREE people do this challenge. You passed on a role check people. Remember that.

I kept forgetting to do these things tbf, I've been busy. Actually kinda glad this game ended a couple of days before Champions is due to start, giving me time to not have to think about mafia.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Oh my god, these damned things. On both the books and the bottle I managed to find out what my own role was not. The other bottle told me what Russ' role wasn't. I had so much fun with these.

There was a formula for these (as you can see above).

The bottles were even more informative. I'll get to those when I get to them.

Yeah, that's the problem. Formulas are a maths thing, and maths and I have a bitter rivalry stretching back to when I was in high school.

S~V~S wrote:This was an awesome game, thank you Epi~ it was well played by all and hopefully some people learned a bit about others game play

i lost but i had a ton of fun

Seconded, these last few days were really intense! I'd go as far as to say the endgame to this was one of my favourite mafia moments.

Epignosis wrote:Each player was assigned a book for the Night 1 poll (reverse alphabetical order). The order in which you voted it determined how many roles I counted down to rule out a role and give you info.

For example, MR, who voted for The Brothers Karamazov, learned that Vompatti was not the Warden.

Oh my god, these damned things. On both the books and the bottle I managed to find out what my own role was not. The other bottle told me what Russ' role wasn't. I had so much fun with these.

Dom - if I had been Red, I probably would've sent you something

Dom wrote:MR you sending me tht pack of smokes actually kind of killed you

SVS I can't believe you rezzed the SK. Heh.
I was convinced you were Andy. I thought that's why you knew you wouldn't die inJJS lunch.




Epig about half of Jose were us talking about mafia in general and education and writing though haha.

We figured out AP was Andy based on the voting record, I wrote and deleted a whole bunch of posts defending him. While he was following Lizzy and she was defending JJ I figured leave him alone and let him help us, but when she died he became a wild card. I wanted to rely on him but thought it was best to remove the threat. My other consideration that night was you, but I figured if I did that SVS might catch on that I was bad - I think it was around that time you mentioned some suspicions of me?

S~V~S wrote:I am such a fail, lol

Nah, it's just that those you wanted to trust most were the people you should've been trusting the least. Blame lies with the people who you should have trusted for not trying harder to win you over!

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I love you Dom, but never again >:(

Let me say, I was bummed when Dom got killed. As a host, you want to see roles take shape, and I like to think that I write interesting independent roles. But you brought him back!

Elmo Blatch had no Night kill. He would inherit Bogs' and Hadley's kills if they died. However, if someone voted for Dom and he was not lynched, then Dom could kill someone that voted for him and frame anyone. So finally he got to use his power and kill MR making it look like you did it.

Had MR not voted Dom, who knows?

So how come the game ended now? If someone other than me had been lynched tomorrow I could've killed the last person, right?

Dom killed S~V~S using Hadley's odd Night kill. Thus, it was you and him and he had two packs of cigarettes.

Ah, okay. That makes sense. Second place is fine with me, I'm actually quite proud of how well my team did given we were basically vanilla and didn't get many prizes. My plan for how to win this changed so many times over the past few days, I almost killed Dom and then almost challenged him to blackjack. I wanted to rely on AP's ability, then I didn't dare leave him alive. Nobody else was coming to Chatzy much after they died so our btsc must just look like the ravings of a mad man.

Linki Dom - you too? I've been asking so many questions since last night. Constantly trying to figure out the best way to beat you all

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I love you Dom, but never again >:(

Let me say, I was bummed when Dom got killed. As a host, you want to see roles take shape, and I like to think that I write interesting independent roles. But you brought him back!

Elmo Blatch had no Night kill. He would inherit Bogs' and Hadley's kills if they died. However, if someone voted for Dom and he was not lynched, then Dom could kill someone that voted for him and frame anyone. So finally he got to use his power and kill MR making it look like you did it.

Had MR not voted Dom, who knows?

So how come the game ended now? If someone other than me had been lynched tomorrow I could've killed the last person, right?

Dom, your only two kills were both really good choices. Russ was my other teammate, and if he and I had both been alive so late in the game it may have gone better for us. Then obviously you picked SVS, and I was immune from dying tonight after beating BWT at blackjack and apparently taking his parole ability. You did really well at this, the way you had SVS fooled made me think you two must be civs who'd shared some kind of secret event. I began to believe MR about you but every time I thought about it I decided it was way more likely that he was evil and lying. Well played

S~V~S wrote:Congrats Dom, you played me like a fiddle.

WHO SENT ME THE GOODIES?? If it was MR I am gonna Hari Kiri lol

Wasn't me. I was Bogs the whole time. You severely overestimate my intelligence

Congrats Dom, I so could've had this if I'd not lost those cigs. I really thought about targeting you with my cards as well - how are you at blackjack?

S~V~S wrote:All I can say is i am gonna hate tomorrow

You're gonna hate it? Some mean person stole my cigs, so I can't even de-stress! Didn't get my cards though, to the SK's great tragedy.

Well that certainly happened...

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:fuck me.

So this means only one of you is trustworthy.

Well Dom can't be Bogs as Bogs killed while he was dead, but MR could be. Could also be right about Dom being the SK. Or you could be either of those roles.

Tell me why you can't be Bogs, too. I can't be Staff or Sisters (well I can, but i would have to be an epically evil heartless bitch to throw boo or John under the bus in that fashion). I guess i could be SK, but if i was, you and Dom would be dead, lol. True story, it's total wifom, but you also know it is true.

I also expect this game will likely end tonight. We have 2 killers, and 2 not killers. So ...yeah.

Earlier on you said I'd have killed you by now. You're right. I'd have killed Dom as well (after he came back) as after Bioshock I definitely consider him a threat. I wouldn't have allowed both of you to get this far if I had a kill. Just as much WIFOM as you're offering, but you know it's just as true.

S~V~S wrote:fuck me.

So this means only one of you is trustworthy.

Well Dom can't be Bogs as Bogs killed while he was dead, but MR could be. Could also be right about Dom being the SK. Or you could be either of those roles.

I now trust none of you. I suppose feelings are kinda mutual though.

I'm gonna tentatively put my vote on BWT. I imagine it will probably stay there tbf, as I think there's a good chance of him being the SK.

S~V~S wrote:I can't, really. Something happened to me. I thought it was related to a specific event, and i actually still think so. But MR made a remark that implied possible knowledge of it. Dom might or might not understand what i am saying.

i could have been reading into it, MR gives good words. He can weave them well.

I see. I looked over his most recent posts to see if I could figure it out but I've got nothing. If you had to decide now, would you vote MR? His behaviour just doesn't add up as civ to me. On the other hand, I think I've convinced myself that BWT could be the SK based on his activity.

S~V~S wrote:i don't think he actually saved me, but i am not sure he either knows that or even cares. Which says chaos role to me. So either last man of a baddie team, or LMS role, which are the same basic thing.

ALTHOUGH he said something yesterday that said something to me, and I hope he gets past the snark a bit and actually talks to us. Because he said something that gave me a BOTD moment.

Any opinions on BWT?

As it happens, I just re-read BWT. Last time he posted was night 9, aka the night the SK killed for the first time. It's not a big thing, but it's certainly a thing IMO. Other than that I didn't feel like he was connected to any of the baddies we know. Are you able to elaborate on what made you think about giving MR the BOTD, or is it something we wouldn't understand?

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Well that's not the kill choice I was expecting
Svs where are you looking? Bullz? I still think it MR is bad that he is shawshank. BWT? Just by the numbers, it's not looking good :/

I'm thinking an MR lynch would be a good idea today. Bear in mind he got the cigs from that night poll though. I think it goes without saying but we need to be really careful today, if not it might be our last.

What baddie team do you think he is on?

I dunno, I'm not sure if Shawshank are still kicking. It'd be odd for us not to be told about it but Epi often has his own little touches that are different from how most hosts run games. The way he's acting makes me doubt he's civ, and his actions during the JJ lynch could've been a distraction or save attempt. He got attention onto SVS then switched his vote away so he could later say he had nothing to do with it if SVS got lynched? Of course, anyone could be the SK as well. I actually may have a way to ruin their day tonight, it's a bit of a gamble but it might pay off if we end up just lynching a Sister instead.

Dom wrote:Well that's not the kill choice I was expecting
Svs where are you looking? Bullz? I still think it MR is bad that he is shawshank. BWT? Just by the numbers, it's not looking good :/

I'm thinking an MR lynch would be a good idea today. Bear in mind he got the cigs from that night poll though. I think it goes without saying but we need to be really careful today, if not it might be our last.

S~V~S wrote:What, no snarky orange?

I honestly don't understand why she kept defending john & threatening me if i voted for him without being his teammate. I have no freaking clue.

It's Lizzy, she's crazy. I do agree with you though, she had JJ's back for a long time.

These playing cards sound fun. Does whoever picks the whisky wanna get together for a bit of Ring of Fire?

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Telling me you're not gonna try to kill me again tomorrow night would be a good start.

It's somewhat late now. But BWT's general lack of presence is concerning, though I don't remember him posting much in another game either (not sure if it was Meat Boy or WWE). Since we have change-able votes, I wouldn't be against prodding him out of his seclusion.

Something to keep in mind.

'Again'? I have never tried, and will never try, to kill you. In this game. I promise

I mean I guess I technically helped kill you with my vote in your original role but other than that you know what I mean.

If BWT is quiet in all the games then I dunno. I haven't really had many thoughts about him and it's a bit late in the game to be lynching people on the grounds of quietness isn't it?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Dom wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Dom wrote:But will BWT vote?

I would say, "Let's give him a reason to", but you guys haven't exactly been open to discussion, haha.

Who is "you guys" and you can't be serious????? There's been a lot of discussion today???

You, SVS, and Bullz. Should have used my sarcasti-orange there.

I'm open to discussion. What do you want to discuss?

I was going to vote later, after I'm done revising, but I keep looking up from my books to check on this game. Maybe if I get my vote out of the way I'll be able to focus on social development and how we're all basically screwed at birth by psychology. I'm going to *Vote Lizzy* because there's a clear case for her being a Sister, and the only other person I'm suspicious of is MR and it looks like a vote for him today will accomplish nothing.

Lizzy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
Not entirely sure, I can see the case against Lizzy but I'd been leaning civ for her. In light of the JJ lynch she does look like she could be a Sister. I'm also becoming suspicious of MR based on the way he acted in the last lynch. I just don't get what he was trying to do but I feel like he was trying to save JJ without actually voting against him, if that makes sense.

One cvestion: have you ever seen me defend a teammate? It's ture that I've been bad in only two games coz that's just my luck, but has any of you seen me do that? SVS hosted me when I was bad, Dom was also playing, Bullz has been my teammate yadda yadda yadda

The only time I've seen you bad was Thomas, and both Nev and I died to practically unpredicted lynch switches so you never got the chance to defend us. Also it was your first game so we wouldn't have wanted you to put yourself out there. I know you're a very good baddie and the only thing that holds me off voting you is that I'm not sure how willing you'd be to make yourself so obvious. On the other hand, the Lizzy I was a baddie with is not the Lizzy playing this game. The quiet, sneaky style you used back then isn't something you could ever be accused of doing now.

Dom wrote:Why would SVS lead the lynch on her teammate?

Just to play Devil's Advocate - after Elo's claim of info it's conceivable that one of his teammates may have decided to distance by being a part of the movement against him, isn't it? The baddie SVS I'm used to wouldn't do that though, especially not to a newbie, and she's someone I've been teamed with many times.

Dom wrote: This makes me happy with my Lizzy vote. But I'm still eyeing you.

Fair enough.

Dom wrote:Bullz, who are you voting for?
I would ask AP and BWT the same question, but I doubt they'll answer.

Not entirely sure, I can see the case against Lizzy but I'd been leaning civ for her. In light of the JJ lynch she does look like she could be a Sister. I'm also becoming suspicious of MR based on the way he acted in the last lynch. I just don't get what he was trying to do but I feel like he was trying to save JJ without actually voting against him, if that makes sense.

Dom wrote:Also, Bullz, would you say you trust me?

I don't think you're a baddie. Not sure I'd go as far as to say I definitely trust you, but I don't distrust you at this point.

Dom wrote:I never understood any of the reasons why people were voting for SVS in the first place, though. I really can't articulate them. How did you?

For me it was mostly the way she seemed to be trying to distance herself from Sorsha's death. I hadn't seen much discussion of Sorsha being suspicious for one, and then SVS comes in saying how odd it is for baddies to kill baddies and how it used to be seen as almost rude on LP (which I'd never heard of - but you backed it up earlier on). I felt at the time like she was trying too hard to make it look like she had nothing to do with it. In light of your support for her comments and JJ's lynch it seems clearer that that wasn't the case. There's also another thing I noticed in hindsight that SVS tends to do as a baddie which she hasn't done here.

I wasn't personally trying to save anyone Dom but yes, my reasons for voting SVS were misguided, mistaken dumb, foolish, stupid, wrong, grab a thesaurus and throw in your favourite synonym. I don't currently think she's bad and won't be voting for her again.

Also I have a theory that the SK inherited the kill of the first NK role to die, hence why he only killed on the first odd night after Shawshank lost their killer. Therefore I don't think it's safe to base theories of who it might be off who would/might skip or miss kills. Does anyone else agree?

Dom wrote: I know this was a thing on LP/TP. In the olden days. I believe I've been playing longer than you, right? I definitely knew about that, and I might remember that game on TP that SVS talked about.
Maybe.
But I definitely know that this was considered bad form-- for baddies to purposefully kill each other. The philosophy was to let the civvies sort baddies out. Just look at Dexter Mafia on LP (if a certain someone didn't delete that thread ).

Hmmm... Okay. It was more the 'rude' comment, I'd never say there's a situation where it's rude to NK a person. I think if I'd been around back then I'd have had a few things to say about the whole principle, mostly is a baddie supposed to know who other than their team definitely isn't bad? When I'm bad my plan is always to kill threats to me/my team or kill those who probably won't be lynched. Bad, good or otherwise never mean a thing to me. But then I've only won as a baddie twice and died early both times, so maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Dom wrote:Really? You didn't kind of influence the push to save JJ and kill SVS at all?

See, I thought I was the only person who felt like this. MR probably thought he was being really clever in that lynch but honestly it has made me wonder a bit about him.

Dom wrote:Are people really still suspicious of SVS?
I don't understand how. Unless you think she is the SK... which is possible. But I am not convinced. She has pushed, a lot, for a lynch of people on both teams. I doubt she's a baddie. Lizzy, MR, and Bullz if you are considering voting for her based on her being anyone other than the sk (which is possible, but I haven't seen an argument for it), then you either have your head up your ass or you're naughty.

I guess you missed the post where I said I probably wouldn't vote for her again? I was in an awkward position where she was the only person I'd really looked at and there wasn't time to do anything else. I think I just grabbed on to the small things that caught my attention (which I might have otherwise brought up later anyway) and ran with it. Not bad, just dumb.

Mister Rearranger wrote: Oh, I did. What I'm saying is using that as an excuse for his SVS vote is pretty shoddy. To claim that he did so because I swayed him from his original intention reads BS, ESPECIALLY this late in the game. To claim he was influenced by a replacement that he was already debating about his own civility with is a matter that doesn't add up to me.

You didn't sway me from my original intention. I didn't have an original intention to be swayed from, hence why I was looking for a good case to be built. Also just because you don't trust me doesn't mean I can't trust you. I spent the whole of Homestar Runner trusting Dom (because I'd guessed his role) even though he was coming after me. I thought you might be trustworthy at the time.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Well, telling me that your DAY 9 vote was steered by me doesn't make you look very civ. That's for sure.

I'm going to find SVS's post and reply to it.

I'm not saying you made me do it, I chose to do it. You just talked me into looking at SVS in the first place and by the time I was done doing that there was no time to even think about anyone else.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So the SK was alive after all. Interesting that they wait until now to kill. Maybe the Shawshank team are actually all dead and he could only start to kill when one team was gone?

I doubt it.

Which makes more sense to you:

-Tommy comes back when NKed by the guards

-Elmo Comes back when NKed by the guards

-Dom's Salinger book choice let him come back

-A civ trusted him enough to rezz him (the only civ with BTSC was lynched by that point)

???

And I still think you're the last Shawshanker.

You could be right about Dom, but I'm hesitant to listen to any opinions of yours now in case it turns out you're trying to lure people into voting for someone you're not suspicious of for some weird reason. I'm still not the last Shawshanker. Not a Sister either, FWIW.

So the SK was alive after all. Interesting that they wait until now to kill. Maybe the Shawshank team are actually all dead and he could only start to kill when one team was gone?

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Either you or Lizzy is getting my vote. Tell me why her and not you?

But not AP?

AP and Bullz were the two who almost got you lynched before I changed my vote.

You realise my vote for SVS was basically because you helped encourage it, right?

Interesting. I didn't know I was so persuasive!

I mean, I take full responsibility for the fact I voted her and had reasons which I'm now questioning, but I was really unsure who to vote for. Then you started talking to me about SVS, who I might not have considered otherwise. I'm really not sure what your tactic was there since you clearly never actually intended to vote her.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Either you or Lizzy is getting my vote. Tell me why her and not you?

But not AP?

AP and Bullz were the two who almost got you lynched before I changed my vote.

You realise my vote for SVS was basically because you helped encourage it, right?

S~V~S wrote:I am sorry you have not heard of this. Ask Tranq why don't you, he read me the riot act in s game at TP for something similar. Ask a lot of people, not just me.

Tell me, which baddie do you think I am, and why did you think I was bad and John was not?

I have no idea. Now we know JJ was definitely bad I'm not sure if you are at all. I thought you were distancing yourself from the Sisters' kill but also thought you were sticking together with Boo early on. It's possible I'm completely stupid at this point . Writing it out I think I was definitely wrong, it was mostly a spur of the moment nothing else to go off thing. Probably won't vote for you again.

I kinda agreed with Lizzy's thoughts about him, how a baddie wouldn't act like he had, his teammates wouldn't let him/nobody would coach that behaviour etc. Also I hadn't trusted Elo earlier and was 50/50 between her either having lied to get him lynched or told the truth and put him in a sucky position.

Linki: Because I'm not bad. There's also a pretty good chance she isn't. If it's definitely her or me I'd have to say her, but I'd also encourage you to think carefully about that.

S~V~S wrote:For tomorrow, other than the suspicion of John, I would like to know the salient points in the case against me.

I also would like to hear about why John was so NOT suspicious that a vote for him=instant votes for those who vote for him. Also what I missed in his past games that might have led someone to that conclusion. Oh wait, he had no past games. Hmmm.

Also i am curious about why thinking Sorshas kill was weird, and explaining it after being asked was so suspicious. I most def want to hear about this. Also curious why just I was suspicious for this, not the others who discussed it. Just me.

It wasn't just that you thought it was weird, it was this post:

S~V~S wrote:Actually that is where i had her, too, tentatively. I guess it is a culture thing~ where I learned to play it is considered bad form to NK other baddies, rude if you will. So it surprises me when people do it. But I know people who started playing here tend to think differently about that, and even though i know it, it still surprises me when it is done.

Not only have I not heard of that being a thing on LP (Granted I only really played the last four games before it faded into irrelevance), but it just didn't seem right. You seemed like you were really trying to distance yourself from the whole thing, making it seem like something you would absolutely never do and therefore you clearly had nothing to do with it. For instance, you talk about how it's almost rude to kill baddies - though I don't think you'd said much about Sorsha until then, and nor had anyone else. Plus how does one baddie team know who's on the other? They tend to just kill indiscriminately and only avoid people who will probably get lynched. I didn't really have time to go into depth at the time, MR had convinced me to look at you and I didn't really have the amount of time I took to do that. Hence why I voted before posting. If I'd done it the other way round I'd have missed the deadline and I hate to do that. I've missed about five votes ever and always feel bad about doing

Great result

I'm not really a beer fan (West Country cider all the way!) so I'll just pick two at random and hope for the best.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Russ and Bullz: did you use any cigs today?

No, smoking is bad! If I had some (which I may or may not do) I'd save myself with them.

Linki: Kinda agree with Lizzy there.

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I voted SVS. Her early trust of Boo and single minded JJ hunt are just two of the reasons. Looking back, I found her reaction to Sorsha dying strange. Like she was trying to put out just how SHOCKED she was that someone would do that, as if she would NEVER have done it herself. Kinda felt like unneccesary WIFOM. I don't feel great about this vote, but I have literally one minute til the deadline ends and nothing else to go on.

you know my game better than anyone else alive in this game other than Dom. You know I would totally ignore that kind of crap if i did it, I don;t fake that WIFOM crap. you should not feel great about it, and you probably don;t since you know I am not bad.

I really don't. I've said as much in every game where you've ever come up as suspicious, I have trouble reading you because I always want to trust you.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Bullz, you almost got me.

What's that supposed to mean?

I voted SVS. Her early trust of Boo and single minded JJ hunt are just two of the reasons. Looking back, I found her reaction to Sorsha dying strange. Like she was trying to put out just how SHOCKED she was that someone would do that, as if she would NEVER have done it herself. Kinda felt like unneccesary WIFOM. I don't feel great about this vote, but I have literally one minute til the deadline ends and nothing else to go on.

SVS, I've looked through your posts (albeit as quickly as I could) and something I've noticed is you seemed to trust Boo until pretty much the day you first voted him, even going as far as to say you nearly voted him in the Parole poll. You also pretty much trusted (or didn't consider bad) JJ until Boo went down. Are the only reasons you suspect JJ Boo's thoughts and Elo's comment?

Also for the past few days you seem to have been solely focussed on JJ, barely mentioning anyone else. Not saying I'm gonna vote for you, just saying it doesn't look good.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Idk, nobody has made an effort to save J2JJ as of yet, so it makes me go "hmm". But I've been waiting in case.

I'm of Lizzy's mindset that he's panicking or lost as a civ. If someone is coaching him, they are making some crazy, crazy gambles.

linki @Bullz: SVS was "feeling ok" about me not all that long before I became the subject of her Day 2 vote. I don't think she was boo's teammate either. I do still have the same uneasy feelings about her.

I was about to say perhaps a reread is in order, then I realised we have 30 minutes to vote. A very quick reread could be in order.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:@Bullz: I thought SVS voted to tie Lizzy and I, then boo voted to put me back ahead of her, then I voted for Lizzy in hopes I'd live?

Yes, but when SVS cast her vote, if you and Boo hadn't voted then you and Lizzy would still have been tied. Therefore it could be said that the two people who voted Lizzy and not you (FZ and SVS) after I put you ahead may have tried to save you. That's what my theory was and is part of why I voted for you when you got lynched.

I see what you meant now; it was not worded in such a way before.

So, what are your thoughts on SVS and FZ's day 1 & 2 votes now that my first life has been resolved?

I wasn't too sure about FZ, had been sort of thinking civ for her. As for SVS, I don't see her having been Boo's teammate because she's a big part of why he got lynched (at least IMO). Recently I feel like she's been a bit single minded in her pursuit of JJ but that's not necessarily a baddie thing. As far as their votes go, I don't really have thoughts about them any more. Both voted Lizzy (don't know what side she's on - I'm thinking civ) on day one, then SVS changed to you on day 2. She voted for a civ but then so did half the game.

Mister Rearranger wrote:@Bullz: I thought SVS voted to tie Lizzy and I, then boo voted to put me back ahead of her, then I voted for Lizzy in hopes I'd live?

Yes, but when SVS cast her vote, if you and Boo hadn't voted then you and Lizzy would still have been tied. Therefore it could be said that the two people who voted Lizzy and not you (FZ and SVS) after I put you ahead may have tried to save you. That's what my theory was and is part of why I voted for you when you got lynched.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:So MR, if I may ask, does anything make you think Bullz is bad besides that he helped get you lynched the first time? I always enjoy a good revenge vote, but I'd like to understand if there's a case the translates to the rest of us.

You may.

Prologue mentioning of boo (in agreement) and Mongoose ("randomization" = excuse for distancing?). Continues to downplay the Llama v. Mongoose situation on Day 1. Pushes a theory that I was "saved" by a team (even though in reality, I saved myself with 1 vote), then backpedals, saying that his theory was something he said only to gauge the reactions of other players. The "Kinda shocked at how the votes piled up on you but you really haven't helped yourself." is very boo-esque. He becomes subtly defensive of boo on a couple occasions prior to his lynch, but eventually throws the final vote on him. And then there's obviously his voting record aside from that. In fact, the only hesitation I have about calling him the last Shawshanker right now is his vote in the Mongoose lynch. Then again, none of how that vote went makes sense to me.

linki: ohai der *waves*

I said Boo's idea was interesting and that's literally the only time I mentioned him until the second night of the game.
How is it distancing to vote for someone on day zero in a poll widely believed at the time not to be death-related? Not to mention my vote truely was random.
All I 'downplayed' was the idea of Llama and Mongoose having accidentally admitted to having btsc. Clearly they didn't
My point about you being saved had nothing to do with your own vote and everything to do with the fact that the next two votes after I voted you on day one were for Lizzy, tying the two of you up until Boo cast a vote for you and you saved yourself. Notice I refer to a 'save attempt', as in people trying to save you.
I never said I was trying to gauge reactions. My theory was something I agreed with, but thought that if it were true your teammates would have challenged it. Or anyone would have come up with a reason why I might be wrong.
So... Boo was coaching me? Or do I just ask my teammates to make posts through me? Maybe Boo and I have similar styles or opinions. I dunno, I've played like 2 games ever with him. I really was surprised at how many votes you got, but you really didn't help yourself. I stand by those points.
I don't think I've ever defended Boo. Agreed with a couple of his opinions, yes. Guilty. But I also disagreed with him about the whole 'first time players always get btsc' thing.
Point out any one player with a good voting record. The fact we've lynched mostly civs suggests nobody has that good of one.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:Am I missing something or just stupid? >.>

What are you not understanding?

Why priority is being given to lynching Sisters when they don't kill tonight?

Then again, my question to Epi still stands. That hasn't been asked by anyone else yet, has it?

I do think you had a point about eliminating the other team but have we had confirmation that the Sisters won't just pick up that kill? If they don't then I definitely think you're right that we should take out the last of the other baddies.