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Bravo, Juliets! 
Thanks for doing Smaug justice!
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I always say what a baddie would say when I'm civ. Hellooooo!thellama73 wrote:But that's exactly what a baddie would say, so you see my difficulty.Lizzy wrote:You can go ahead and lynch me if you want. You're not going to catch a baddie (because I am never lynched as a baddie) but to save Russti the trouble.
) but to save Russti the trouble.Oh and Night 6.Lizzy wrote:I missed Day 1 and Day 6.Dom wrote:Lizzy, you haven't missed this vote?
I missed Day 1 and Day 6.Dom wrote:Lizzy, you haven't missed this vote?
Russtifinko wrote:
Malmö = Danmark + falafel :P
But it has a turning torso. 
It's a secret k.reywaS wrote:Well, tell us everything you know that we don't, Lizzy. I think that's only fair. Start with an easy one. Who are your BTS buddies?
:O You win. But then again I might be a bit biased towards ThranduLeeNed. ;DDFaraday wrote: And if that doesn't work, here's the URL http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=uuemq&s=8
Uhm... I think I messed things up quite a bit thus far, and my insight and instincts are not to be trusted. :\ That said, I don't think you are bad, however, the evidence suggests you are not good either. :\Mongoose wrote: You are going to be very glad you didn't when you see who I am/not. Good job, hoss. Listen to Lizzy, I think she has some good insights this game.
I'm jealous. I miss Sweden. Even though I wouldn't exactly call Malmö representative of Sweden.Russtifinko wrote: I would love to! I doubt I'll have time, though. I'm actually going further away from him, since I'm in Gothenburg, Sweden right now. Maybe we can convince him to come to me instead.
And dang! It's still weird to see Göteborg spelt like that.Okay, thanks. We had a similar situation in HP, and there no-one knew that an eliminated player was a replacement because that was a sock game, yet we thought for the sake of fairness, that everyone should know that person's role, even though they weren't in a team prior or after the replacement.Russtifinko wrote:Ok, I have consulted. TH's previous role will remain unannounced for the sake of fairness. Lots of people know things others don't in mafia. Just happens TH knows one of those things now.Russtifinko wrote:I hadn't thought of that! I skipped that chapter in the Guide of Standard and Conventional Hosting Practices. Let me consult with more experienced colleagues.Lizzy wrote:Monsieur le Host, since TH 2.0 knows TH 1.0's role, do the rest of us mortals get to know it as well? (:
I would agree with this (one other reason I voted for Boogie yesterday was because the sudden bandwagon looked odd as hell), if there wasn't an issue: there were 3 Moria goblins who basically dropped like flies in lynches; the other guys are 5 AND can survive lynches? If that's the case, I see a bit of a balance problem here. There quite a few civilian roles with secrets, but since she claims she has no idea how she survived, I think we can rule that one out. Smaug and Gollum seem more likely to me, and even Bolg, but I wouldn't exclude Goblin Town either, despite the above mentioned issue. Either way, it doesn't look too good for her.thellama73 wrote:My reason is an intuitive detection of teammates. The fact that so many people suddenly went from indifferent to happy to vote for her today smells awfully to me like team members covering themselves since they knew she wouldn't die.Epignosis wrote:Do you have a reason to suggest that she isn't? If so, please- help me out.Dom wrote:Why do you think she is Smaug?Epignosis wrote:My general philosophy is this: Unless there is a clear, civilian reason someone survived a lynch (not a Night kill), lynch that person again right away in the next poll.
However, I think Mongoose is Smaug, and Bard needs to do whatever he can do on that front.
Excellent job guys, especially Rob! I blame my therapist: 'omg you should totally stop being overly analytical; go with your gut k.' Uhm no. :\I'm not Llama, but I wholeheartedly agreed with this observation of his:Turnip Head wrote:Llama, I reread Mongoose, and nothing stood out to me tbh. Though I also didn't realize how talkative she's been... I think that's the only thing that stood out, I'm used to Mongoose participating but not being so active especially at the beginning of a game. I have also never seen Mongoose's baddie game before. What makes you think this looks like her baddie game opposed to her civ game?
... but as far as VAL was concerned, particularly some assumed skills of mine:Notice the subtle implantation of the seed that I am not to be trusted. Not an accusation, just hints, almost subliminal remarks designed to undermine me in the eyes of others. Very clever.
However, I'm not fully sold on this to vote for her.Mongoose wrote:Random: Matt is being chatty. And I like that. Sometimes he is like that when he is being managed on a team (Lizzy has handled him quite well in the past, for instance), but I think it's more than he was called out (and Vomperdoodle) for not being as helpful as he could. Matt's a realllllly smart guy, so I'm hoping it's just him feeling comfortable enough to participate more. Mattmatt, I hope you don't take offense of any of that. I know it doesn't sound very polite to insinuate someone is being coached, but that's not precisely what I mean (V&A wouldn't mind being coached by L, if you know what they mean).
I thought you actually got drunk there for a sec.Boogs wrote:
Like I answered JC, if it weren't for that darn elf drink,i would have been able to speech my opinions yesterday. Being silenced doesn't help me a lot, does it?
Fair enough, although it's the gaoler that makes you silent and prevents you from voting. Does the vintner have a similar power? Anyone else silenced yesterday?juliets wrote:I can't believe we got a second baddie on the second day! Good voting all of you who voted FZ.! Goodbye FZ. I'm sorry I won't get to play more with you but I am so glad we've got two down in the first two days - I don't think I've ever seen this before.
Boogs wrote:Phew I'm glad we got a second Baddie! I was going to vote for either Spacedaisy or FZ today but glad one of my suspicions turned out being bad!
With Juliets the situation is a tad delicate. Had I not had a conversation with her in the X-Men game where she confessed that she was not good at building cases and just went with what others brought to the table, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with Rey that her vote for Eloh seems either lazy or opportunistic, or both. Actually, I kinda do a bit. You haven't even mentioned Elo's name until you voted for her, and the reasoning behind it was just that 'oh Rob said his spouse was bad and he's usually right about it' without any other kind of personal input whatsoever. The way this reads to me is that you didn't even go and read Elo's posts to see if Rob does indeed have a point, but merely took his word for it. He's not always right, you know. Actually he screwed up big time in HP and he pretty much handed the game on a silver platter to the baddies because he didn't read Elo correctly. I'm not saying this is the case here, he actually made some pretty good points and well worth looking into, but the way you justify your choice is questionable, to put it nicely. I remember encouraging you to practice and develop your case building skills. I think that is more desirable than following others just because 'they're usually right'. I will be keeping an eye on you though.Elohcin wrote:Oh, and yeeHAW! I can't believe we got two baddies in a row. Good job those who voted FZ. I never would have thought MP would call out his teammate like that. Do y'all think he would have mentioned every one of them or just FZ?
Emotionally crap, obviously. :Pkneel4justice wrote:If you mean emotionally crap, that is not my intention. I hate when people do that + it's a scum tell for me.Lizzy wrote:I voted for K4J, who is currently making me feel like crap. I did that in my first ever game here (ask Snowy), but I promised myself I wouldn't do that again and just take it like a chump.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Probably not, but he has been the death of me the last two games I've played. Probably jealous of my mustache. Or maybe I did myself a disservice by claiming to be a wombat.Lizzy wrote:That is odd, because it's just Llama. Is his vote worth 10 or something?
Seriously though. I feel like I keep getting off-topic unintentionally. Who are you gonna vote Lizzy?
If you mean you feel you might be wrong, then...welp! Lol
But I am not mad! (at the civvies! even though i don't like their choices lol).....
I missed you in this kerfuffle.I voted for K4J, who is currently making me feel like crap. I did that in my first ever game here (ask Snowy), but I promised myself I wouldn't do that again and just take it like a chump.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Probably not, but he has been the death of me the last two games I've played. Probably jealous of my mustache. Or maybe I did myself a disservice by claiming to be a wombat.Lizzy wrote:That is odd, because it's just Llama. Is his vote worth 10 or something?
Seriously though. I feel like I keep getting off-topic unintentionally. Who are you gonna vote Lizzy?
).That is odd, because it's just Llama. Is his vote worth 10 or something?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I have been more focused on defending myself from llama today than doing any scum baddie-hunting tbh, and so haven't paid as much attention to some of the other goings-on. I also don't know why I'm continually being accused of not posting content when that was just a Day 1 phenomenon. Today has been a different story.Lizzy wrote:On Marshy, I know you've also been away, but I have to agree with Llama, there isn't a lot of helpful content in your posts, and I know what you can do as both a helpful civilian and a more reserved baddie. I miss Jennet tbh. (although I can't complain about the zombie date with Polaris either)
As for the Harry Potter game, I have never played such an aggressive game in my life, nor do know if I could ever pull that off again, especially since we still lost anyway. You have to admit too, I was one lucky SOB for getting the all the baddies right. And yes, Zombie date ftw!
All right, let's say you're not entirely familiar with his play style, fair enough. But I still don't see how being cryptic in regards to your suspicions, be that Epi or anyone else, has any impact on their evolution and your telling if they're civ or not. I actually think you should call them out on whatever and see how they react under pressure, like you right now.kneel4justice wrote:@Lizzy From what I saw in WWE and CAH I saw the Epi you're talking about in WWE. I haven't played much with him but he was really quiet in CAH which is why I wanted to see if it would continue or if he would turn into the player I was familiar with in WWE, if my logic is faulty it is because I have only played a few games with him and I made this comparison. My posts make sense coming from my logic. As for my tone of defense, I understand but I've never been in this position before against a bunch of people where the majority don't know how I play and the few that do are wrongfully voting me
Of course you did. And you missed one of my points on the other page that was specifically addressed to you.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think I will. What you've pointed out seems more meaningful than my feelings on k4j or FZ.Epignosis wrote:I voted for Elohcin and I think others should too. I don't think a dual bandwagon between k4j and FZ. is prudent.
Linki: I did?
Epignosis wrote:This has to be one of the most ambivalent posts I've ever seen.Elohcin wrote:I agree with llama that a spread vote makes it easier for the baddies to manipulate the lynch in their favor, but I also agree with MP/TH as well. If we go llama's way and pile votes on someone like Dom, chances are he will turn out civ and then we are left with not much info to go on. Day 1 is usually all about guessing and disappointment unfortunately.
Lots of names have been thrown around but I have no gut pings as of yet, my gut pings are usually right. I'd like to be able to wait and see if I get any, but there is not much time and I need to go ahead and vote b/c I have RL stuff to do.
Randomizing DFaraday. That's right....I don't want to be accountable for my vote
Great to have you back SnowDog!
Regarding the enlarged, what is it about Dom that makes him more likely to be civilian than anyone else? "Someone like Dom..."
Anyway, let me outline this post:
1a. Spreading the vote makes it easier for Mafia to manipulate the lynch but
2a. A bandwagon will most likely lynch a civilian
A. Therefore Day 1 is about guessing and being disappointed.
1b. I have no instinct, which is unfortunate because
2b. My instincts are usually good, so
B. I will vote randomly.
The defeatist attitude of item "A" stands in stark contrast with the next post, highlighted below. Item "A" also is not what one would expect if Item "2b" were true.
Elohcin wrote:Seriously?!? That is an amazing result. I can't believe that in two games in a row we got a baddie Day 1. I think I will be less likely to randomize Day 1 now. Great result!
I am choosing "my journal". I would never forget food, drink, or a rope. I am one of those mom's that has everything she or her kids will need right in her purse/diaper bag
Pokemon (the other game referenced), Day 1:
The enlarged text above implies that you voted randomly on Day 1 in both Pokemon and here. But you didn't vote randomly on Day 1 in Pokemon- only here.Elohcin » Sat May 17, 2014 12:12 pm wrote:I voted for Kyle since he voted for me. I know his vote was random and there are no hard feelings there. And, I wouldn't have voted for him if it meant he would receive 2 votes and be tied for first. I wanted to vote for someone who had no votes so far and he seemed like the best choice. All in good fun! But I hope more things come to the surface thoughout the night and tomorrow so we can have a better idea of who could be bad.
This is fabulous! However, she did specify she had no gut pings at the time (which are usually good), hence her random vote. There is one thing that you missed right there in the enlarged text: WE got a baddie, although she had nothing to do with it. I specifically remember Polaris saying this after I lynched one of his teammates. So you might be onto something here.Okay, I understand the last minute vote for Alex, although I can't know if that is true or not. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for that, but the above explanation is all over the place. I don't understand how pointing out that Rob is not his usually chatty self makes him not be himself. If you've played with him before, you'd know he doesn't give a toss about what others think of play style and would definitely not change it just because someone has a problem with that. It is possible you didn't mention it because he would have been all over you, but that's a mere assumption. Also, the tone of your defense seems a bit too overdramatic and that always puts me off, and unwilling to cooperate with emotional terrorists. So it's not the fact that you are being defensive, everyone has the right to do that, but the way in which you choose to defend yourself.kneel4justice wrote:
As for why I hid my suspicion of Epi, I will try to explain one more time.
I am often a player who says things really fast, out of the gate, and sometimes I make mistakes because I accuse people of not being themselves before they have the opportunity to do so. That has happened on KSITE so unfortunately I cannot give you any examples. But I am criticized with not giving people the chance to be themselves, so while I was suspicious I didn't want to come at Epi too early for his lack of participation (which is the only reason I was suspicious) and lead a lynch when he just hadn't got around to it. Because I was definitely coming with the night and day comparison of WWE and CAH. If I did it too early and he was townie, I might have felt any later input was to settle my nerves. If I did it too early and he was scum, it would have tipped him off into realizing he needed to do something. So I wanted to see what happened, without any of my interaction, to see what was more honest and natural.
I didn't clarify who it was later because I didn't see a reason to give the names on who I trusted because that could have been seen as a threat to the mafia.
Russtifinko wrote:Lizzy wrote:No biggy, I usually use :P anyway. Don't modkill me k.Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, as a public service announcement, I am completely colorblind. I'll try to read between the lines, but feel free to just flat-out tell me if you're being sarcastic.
No biggy, I usually use :P anyway. Don't modkill me k.Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, as a public service announcement, I am completely colorblind. I'll try to read between the lines, but feel free to just flat-out tell me if you're being sarcastic.
It's the best I have thus far, but I'm waiting to see if anything else happens before I vote.FZ. wrote: linki: @ Hey Lizzie, so are you going to vote for K4J?
You have no idea how sad I am this is in orange.Russtifinko wrote: Sarcastic: Sarcastic posts that aren't orange will result in me rubbing a porcupine on the offending party's face. They would make S~V~S mad though, and that would be a GREAT idea.
Both actually, but I was going to take a closer look at you since you were on the Sock's suspect list. I'm not letting you off the hook, but I'm not sure you're bad either. Thank the wombat.Dom wrote: Lizzy, are you talking about me or Vomps here?
Well, we were discussing the possibility of at least one of MP's teammates throwing him under the bus for credibility, which means at least one baddie in that group of 6. However, looking at how the votes for Alex came pouring in: 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 - that's what I would call a bandwagon, if I ever saw one. It's quite convenient for at least one baddie from the other team to add another nail in the coffin, just to be sure none of their teammates is in actual danger. I would say though that more than one from the other team would be too risky if the Sock happened to flip civ. So, using this logic, there is a possibility that there is at least one baddie from each side in that group of 6.reywaS wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at here. Could you clarify for me?Lizzy wrote:I just find it interesting how the votes came pouring in. Only the 22nd vote is missing from that bandwagon, and that's Snowy's. I wonder if there isn't at least one baddie from the other team who decided to join in though.thellama73 wrote:An interesting thought.Lizzy wrote: Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.
Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%
I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.
Linki - thanks, Rob.
Then the already famous sudden change of heart:Let me find out y'all trying to 'randomize' me out of this game!
... and right after there was this:I voted for MP. Not as sure as I would like but in the time I had to catch up he did some weird things. I did think it was strange people actually agreed with my points on INH and Dom did to MP. I'm not sure if they used it to pilot a vote or not. But yeah, voted for MP. Sorry MP, I wish I felt better about you because I've missed playing with you a lot but some things you've done just do not feel genuine or from a townie mind set.
So which is it? Is it strange people agreed with you on INH or is it okay they did and ended up voting for him? Your game and explanations at the moment remind me quite a bit of Exodus, to be honest.I do no see what is bad about Daisy's vote. Seems like it makes sense to me. If I had chose to vote for INH, that would be my reason.
Matt has not been chatty and he only made a slightly on topic post which is his last, and this to me looks like a tacit manner of bringing VAL up again. Baddies tend to use VAL as a scapegoat, doncha no.Random: Matt is being chatty. And I like that. Sometimes he is like that when he is being managed on a team (Lizzy has handled him quite well in the past, for instance), but I think it's more than he was called out (and Vomperdoodle) for not being as helpful as he could. Matt's a realllllly smart guy, so I'm hoping it's just him feeling comfortable enough to participate more. Mattmatt, I hope you don't take offense of any of that. I know it doesn't sound very polite to insinuate someone is being coached, but that's not precisely what I mean (V&A wouldn't mind being coached by L, if you know what they mean).
)I just find it interesting how the votes came pouring in. Only the 22nd vote is missing from that bandwagon, and that's Snowy's. I wonder if there isn't at least one baddie from the other team who decided to join in though.thellama73 wrote:An interesting thought.Lizzy wrote: Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.
Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%
I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.
So he basically distanced himself from 3 people: FZ, Dom and Daisy. We know he has the habit of dropping one or two teammates' name, but I can't remember if he actually ever voted for them. I was wondering though, he's been doing the same thing every single time he's bad, and he knows we know it because we've called him out on it, so I wonder... what if this is a slight change of strategy?thellama73 wrote:I thought about this too, and I think it's a really good point. He knew she was in no danger of being lynched, so a vote on her was totally safe.Turnip Head wrote:I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.
It's been a while since I've played a big game with Hedgie, but this has been her civvie style recently: going after indies, or members of VAL, now the high posters - weird shit like that. This type of reasoning is bound to draw attention and she knows that. She's actually a very good and careful baddie. It is possible she adopted the same strategy as a baddie to lead us on, but for now I don't see anything out of the ordinary with this.FZ. wrote:This whole post doesn't make me feel good about you. Your vote for MP yesterday bugged me, and the fact that he came out baddie doesn't change the fact that your vote for him and you telling people to not spread their vote after that seemed like a good way to explain a vote that had no reasoning behind it, and maybe give some of your possible team mates a reason to vote MP ("we didn't want to spread the votes").Hedgeowl wrote:What is the appropriate comeback to this? Brought it!MovingPictures07 wrote:Bring it.Hedgeowl wrote:I'll be sticking with my focus on the high posters this game. You know who you are.
Top ten posters, you've been warned.
Actually no. I looked at the top 5 posters at the time; MP, Llama, You- TH, Leamiteo, and Metal. Of those 5 only MP had a vote on him already. Since I know it is typical of his and llamas playstyle to to be top posters I would have cut him some slack. However, the votes were already so spread out. I can't claim anything more brilliant than that honestly.Turnip Head wrote:Hedgie, did you vote for MP simply because he's the top poster?
I did go back and look at WWE where the top posters thing started for me. Of the top 10 posters, 4 out of 6 were bad. Granted two of them were alive at the end of the game. Based on this small sample group I decided to test this theory again.
So sorry to miss playing with you MP however.
Now, this "Brought it" feels to me like you're trying to make sure we think of you as responsible for a baddie lynch.
As for the top poster theory, I've played enough games where there was only one or two baddies in the top posters, but this reasoning clears you of any responsibility if it fails
FZ. wrote:You're being very quiet this game. I played two games with you when I started on this site, and I remember you as being a lot more vocal and perceptive. Where are you?Bullzeye wrote:Wow, great call on MP there!Second game in a row I've seen a baddie die on day one and that hardly ever happens usually. I always forget to pack something, and it's usually something really important and super obvious like my phone charger. I once packed my xbox to go to uni but forgot to pack the plug and video cable so I basically had a useless box in my room for a few days. I guess that means I probably forgot to pack food.
Bullzeye wrote: I don't really have anything major to add at this point, in fact I will probably be relatively absent until tomorrow afternoon. This is sort of a busy weekend for me in terms of social activities.
So we should be expecting those by the end of day 10, I presume.MovingPictures07 wrote:And for anyone who cares, I'm still working on crafting my nicknames for everyone.
That's me.thellama73 wrote:Real camping, or phony oh-but-I-have-to-have-showers-and-a-toilet-and-electricty-because-I-am-scared-of-the-dark camping?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'll be heading out on a camping trip this evening, so I'll probably be dropping a random vote somewhere before I head out.
