The Syndicate

Also, really glad I didnt NK Dom now. I was worried I was going to be lynched before I civ killed anyone, but didnt want to just start killing civs, plus I died if I killed 3 civs, soooo no fun. I decided to send in a PM for Dom cause he seemed to be thread evasive and I was super hoping he was a baddie. Then I had this mega turnabout and thought what if that was a terrible idea?? omg the pressure!! so I then PM'd to not NK Dom. Then I was lynched was pretty sure SVS was baddie trog after leading my lynch

Fun game Daisy! Thank you hosting awesomeness!

Spacedaisy wrote:Yes, if Strongbad answered your message you were removed from the poll.

He answered mine after i was lynched

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

timmer wrote::

Spacedaisy wrote:Six out of fourteen voters is unacceptable. Anyone who missed the vote will start the next lynch poll with plus one to their name. I will add another vote every time you miss one from here on out. I have been a very forgiving host, but this is where I draw the line.

Rezz me and I'll vote every time.

Same.

Me three. This is what happens when you ignore my advice and let the non-participants stick around.

No need to vote when I can just NK them!

And I was so looking forward to killing baddies.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:
Linki - and I m dead . Didnt want to role hint cause I would have been Nkd, so yeah I played a blendy game! Wonder why ?

I'm not sure I understand what this means.

You will when my role is revealed from the lynch.

Votes A Person.

Really hope you are on TGS cause thats the only waybI prove civ and dont get lynched tomorrow.

if I die, sorry civs! And good luck!

Linki - and I m dead . Didnt want to role hint cause I would have been Nkd, so yeah I played a blendy game! Wonder why ?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Snow, what are you currently thinking then? We currently have 4 for AP, 5 for Hedge, 3 for me, 4 for llama, 2 for Vomps.

Snow voted for A Person and I am about to do the same unless somethingnchnages in the next few mins.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: Just saw this. Do you forget why Snow voted Elohcin? It was because he was taking a gamble trusting you because you both admitted info from the poll. Then he regretted it because he wasnt sure it was a good idea to have voted to protect you. Just wanted to clear that up, because I was not trying to cast suspicion on him.

Okay I had actually forgotten that. Hmmm... I probably wouldn't have voted Snow today anyway because it'd just spread the vote further.

I get it. Don't wanna spread the vote? Thas cool...

Bullzeye wrote:My suspicions have been all over the place today and I now think I might give Hedge another chance rather than vote her today. So that means I'm down to one crazy suspicion and am going to have to *Vote DP* based on the tinfoil theory that he might be Trogdor.

I dunno, this convo between you, Hedge, and Snowdog has me wondering...and I def don't wanna see Llama lynched, so

Votes Hedge

I have to agree with this observation. Something might be up among those three. But I honestly have no idea.

Also, timmer's vote makes NO sense to me.

I understand the suspicion of A Person, but why would a baddie seriously do those things? To me, it just reads like normal AP behavior, not telling one way or the other.

At this point, I plan to vote Hedge if at all possible. if I have to save in a specific set of circumstances, I guess I might vote AP or Vomps even (seems very unlikely).

Linki with Snow Dog: I understand that completely; I've had that feeling way too many times this game, lol.

Wait are you sugessting Bullz, Snow and I are baddie teammates? We just were in your game Bioshock!

Matt F didnt play that game, so he gets a pass, but MP really? You assigned our roles! I dont think your bad for this, but think about it first.

I would rather not vote to save myself either, but I think you and I are being forced into it. Me more than you now. I am leaning towards A Person, mainly because you and Matt are so sure Llama is civ, but just like any of us, will vote to save myself.

thellama73 wrote:Vomps, Hedgeowl oversimplified the case against her. It is not just that she voted for you, it is that she has been very deliberately diplomatic, not casting suspicion on anyone (expect Dom, who was in no danger of being lynched anyway) and not really contributing much to the discussion.

Linki: nevermind then. This can be for Juliets instead.

I get that you dont want to be lynched, but throwing me under the bus to protect yourself?

I brought up my initial question for Dom when we were all discussing Matt Fs case, way before anyone was in danger on being lynched. How does this make me a baddie? Not contributing to the discussion? I can give you several people who have contributed almost nothing.

I am sorry for giving Vomps the factual case on me. You are right, I could have given him all those super great reasons too. my bad Vomps, I apologize.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:@Juliets. I think Hedge didn't want to vote Devin because she didn't want to tie the vote again and be blamed for saving Llama or whatever. she was still smarting from her Elo save.

It's certainly a possibility. The other possibility is that she knew we were both civs and didn't want her fingerprints on the vote.

jC- thanks for bringing Llamas post to my attention again. i had missed the part where he said I said he was civ. i went back to check to make sure, but I said specifically I was not getting baddie vibes from Llama. Thats a bit different to me than I think you are civ and will for sure vote to protect you. As fun as being part of the Animal Santuary Squad is, getting called to protect Llama during the vote, made me less inclined to do so.

And yeah, how would I know who were civs in this game unless I was a role checker? If. i knew you were both civs then wouldnt that be more civ reason not to vote for you?

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: This is what I missed. i didnt say Elo was being voted for randomizing. I asked if she was, along with bea and jc as you point out. Its great luck that 3 people voted Elo, but seriously it was luck. Snow immediately regretted voting for her before he knew who she was. The case on her I know someone explained was not actually about randomizing, but I dont remember what it even was. This is exactly like the B for baddies theory where everyone looked for a BWT teammate defense vote when there was none, except here I am the only B candidate. Honestly, do you really think I am that careless a player if I were bad? I knew the moment she was announced as Whats her face I would be a suspect, but theres nothing I could have done differently..

See I'm torn here because I didn't really understand where the Elo votes were coming from and I know I'm not her teammate but at the same time I do think you were trying to save her. On the other hand, your point about Snow makes me wonder. Like maybe he voted for a teammate, realised he might have got her killed, and then come out saying oh no I regret that vote someone please save her. I also don't think you're careless (nor Snow) as a baddie, but people do make mistakes all the time no matter how careful they are.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I think hedgeowl looks bad, I will likely vote for her if I do not have to out of self defense because she seems a likely Elo teammate. Pay close attention to how she asked about llama manufacturing a case and how she says how lucky we were to get Elo. Seems very much like a frustrated Baddie.

I definitely might vote Hedge today now. I've also dropped my thoughts about Llama since they were mostly based on yours MP. I might also look into Snow based on the above.

Just saw this. Do you forget why Snow voted Elohcin? It was because he was taking a gamble trusting you because you both admitted info from the poll. Then he regretted it because he wasnt sure it was a good idea to have voted to protect you. Just wanted to clear that up, because I was not trying to cast suspicion on him.

Vomps - the case on me is that I voted for you and tied the vote with Elo. Who then flipped bad, so I am her baddie teammate trying to save her.

I made my arguments, but again like I said theres nothing I can really say to defend the vote. Plus if SVS suspects me, she must be right, why even need to build a case or you know use anything but one vote?

I really do suggest you not vote me. i do not want to role hint or out myself, because this wil put me in danger of an NK, but looks like it might not matter.

Matahari wrote:I've been a bit suspicious of a few players because of a possible link to elohcin.

First it was mongoose because of the chatting in the thread, then Bea, for the exchange about voting elohcin for randomizing. Then she tried to make it seem bad that i never explained my vote until she asked for an explanation. But I felt a tiny bit better about her, after she explained that she had missed my original post. Then I started to doubt her again after hedgeowl said the same thing, that elohcin was being voted because she randomized.

I briefly suspected jc but after thinking about it, I started thinking that jc was just questioning things because that's what she does.

I'm going to vote hedgeowl today (sorry Hedge, I enjoy playing with you, but I kind of think you're dangerous this game).

After this , I'm going to try a reread of devin and Bullzeye. I have just an inkling of suspicion in the back of my mind, regarding one of the bad teams having a dead role check, someone rezzing someone, someone hinting at what role they might be; these thoughts are kind of turning over in my head, and might mean absolutely nothing. It all feels kind of funny though. I'll do some investigating.

This is what I missed. i didnt say Elo was being voted for randomizing. I asked if she was, along with bea and jc as you point out. Its great luck that 3 people voted Elo, but seriously it was luck. Snow immediately regretted voting for her before he knew who she was. The case on her I know someone explained was not actually about randomizing, but I dont remember what it even was. This is exactly like the B for baddies theory where everyone looked for a BWT teammate defense vote when there was none, except here I am the only B candidate. Honestly, do you really think I am that careless a player if I were bad? I knew the moment she was announced as Whats her face I would be a suspect, but theres nothing I could have done differently.

Linki - dom, yeah looks like we are back on the same page.

Ok, I am now at a computer. I have a 4 month old, so sometimes it's hard to find time at a computer to pull quotes easily when people ask for it.

Dom - I was not implying you were avoiding me. (I already did that and you address it by asking me to remind you of my post) Llama was accusing me of dropping the ball on my suspicion of you. That's what I was trying to address. I was acknowledging that you had asked me to point out my initial concern. Frankly, at this point it feels a bit ridiculous, but I'll go dig up the quote anyway.

Hedgeowl wrote:
My impression is that this is part of Matt Fs style. Granted I have played only half a game with him at another site. I certainly appreciate the massive effort he put into this case. I will say that juliets style this game seems to consistent with other games. She checks in and asks questions of other players to reexplain the case or points. I have not figured out if this is because she is always confused or part of her style to observe if a slip is made in reponse to her questions.

That said the dialogue back and forth seems a little too careless if they were all on a baddie team together.

The point I find interesting is Dom bringing up that Llama had not mentioned him with rey and Mata as players who were quiet here, but not at another site. Dom then references the Six Feet Under game, which he Mata, rey, bwt, and I were or are still playing, but Llama hasnt been. So why on earth would Llama be talking about that game? The SFU game has been going on for weeks. Dom then uses this as a reason to find llama "slightly interesting." After llama clarifies which he game he meant Dom doesnt mention it again or say whoops! Of the 3 Matt F brings up I find Dom the most suspicious. I haven't decided, but I might vote there.

Linki- MP, I believe Llama was one of the first to think I was genuine in my defense, soo...leading a lynch how? As for suspecting him, I think I just have a blindpsot with Llama. I know him in rl, so I think he sounds like llama a lot. I have no idea whether he is bad or civ here.

This was the point I noted from Matt F's case that I found interesting. And what I was asking Dom to address.

Here are the SVS post mentioning me:

At this point, I have my strongest bad feelings about Hedgeowl & Mongoose; if I had to vote this second, it would be for Hedgeowl. In my readback, she dodged a bullet very nicely, and TBH, i don't particularly buy it.

I DO think Hedgeowl sounds bad. Why exactly did y'all just say "OK, Hedgie, we buy your defenses" on Day Two? It isn't very clear to me in the posts. Or again, is this just the more vocal people?

S~V~S wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:@bwt: I may be misunderstanding the meaning of "vanilla civ" then. Could you clear me up on that definition please??

Vanilla means no night powers.

I did not know this either. Thanks! Is there a Mafia game lingo cheat sheet?

I agree that we should no longer discuss info from polls to protect any other possible specific civs. We definitely dont know if this is only a civ poll, however currently I think it's safer to not discuss it. Of course it can be revisited later. I also don't want to vote BDH Day 1 as a newbie, but it people want to watch him I think thats reasonable.

5 pages of reading and I don't feel better about a suspect. I think Snow and Bullz have worked out what they meant and seem to in agreement, which makes sense. Bullz shouldnt have received additional prize info since his option didnt win, while Snowy should have and did.

I may find something further on that gets my eye, but this is the first post that seriously caught my attention (not counting Elo).

We don't want to discuss poll based info becasue of one theory (which I feel was kinda off the wall, tbh) that implies that only one affiliation got info, which no experienced host would EVER do? When this theory is proven true (and I am only up to page 7 or so, and I don't think that will ever happen) I would consider not discussing poll based info. But this post seriously strikes me as an attempt to control the discussion, channeling it where one wants it. Then if anyone discusses "poll based info" they can be called a baddie. It also adds to the push towards Bullz I saw developing based on his misunderstanding with Snow. There seemed to be a lot of intentionally misunderstanding of that entire convo.

*I just got up to Daisys clarification that many got info, not just civs*

Also~ *I Like Hyperbole Italics very much*

I am not sure what you want me to address now SVS. I searched Hedge, Hedgie, and Hedgeowl in your posts and besides the posts asking other what their opinion of me is, this is all I found. The first two quotes you find me likely bad and are surprised people let it go. Ok? I can't really defend against that. I did actually explain my vote before as best I could. I can quote those again if you would like.

As to the last quote. How was I trying to control the discussion about the poll? I was joining a discussion that was already well under way by MP, Bullz, Snow, and others. I was just adding my 2 cents based on the discussion in that very moment, but this discussion took up pages and morphed past this as well. Once Daisy clarified, did you see this post or the next one?

Hedgeowl wrote:Anyone else receive info on the poll?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I highly doubt anyone will come forward. Especially not baddies at this point.

I figured it was worth a shot.

This is what you just wrote while I was typing:

S~V~S wrote:Linki @ Hedge~ defending him does not affect whether or not you might be a baddie. Not sure why you even bring that up?

Defending who? Llama? I'm not sure which point you mean.

In my opinion, she was the only teammate around when Elo went over the top, so she made a save vote. And got caught. She talked her way out of it, but this was her first mention of him:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, I voted Vomps and tied it for now. Nobody is jumping out and me now.

Have to go email Strongbad!!!



I am gonna vote now, since I may or may not have time to before work in the AM. I am voting for Hedge.

By him do you mean Vomps? I explained that I was not that suspicious of the three top vote getters already. So why would I have mentioned Vomps before? You also asked earlier why there were no Day 2 votes on Vomps. There were only 3 of us, Gleam, MP, and me. I think gleam is still suspicious of him, MP might be now, but said it was just a vote with no meaning and for me I explained here:

3. My thoughts were, I dont suspect Elo, Vomps or Bullz, but I dont want to throw my vote away. So I thought what would happen in a tie vote? I don't know what daisy does in ties. In Epi's game no one dies, so maybe no one will die. I assume we now know that daisy randoms between ties.

And here again:

Hedgeowl wrote:
As for the suspicions around me. I understand my vote for Vomps is suspicious based on looking like a teammate protection and the timing. I almost always wait to last minute if I can. This has helped lynch a few baddies before I've found. I don't see anyway to defend against this. Think about it, all the civs considering a vote for me. If you were in my position how would you defend against a vote that looks suspicious, but is really as innocent as most Day 1 votes? I urge any of you thinking of voting for me to reconsider. It is a vote that all civs will greatly regret.

And here again:

Hedgeowl wrote:I guess that is partly what I am struggling with right now. How does anyone explain a Day 1 vote without it sounding weak? The top vote getters were Bullz, Elo, and Vomps. I didn't have suspicions on anyone for Day 1 and everyone else had voted as the only voter for other roles knowing none of these people would be lynched and therefore they wouldn't feel responsible. Even MP claimed this with his vote for Vomps. Although he was the 2nd voter.

My decision was do I vote for someone and throwaway my vote because I know they wont die? Sure, I could have done that, but I decided to see what happened if I tied the vote. (I have since been informed by Bullz, that Epi only does this in polls and its not normal. But Epi has hosted 2 of the 7 games I have played or am playing so its my "normal") That's it really. I was hoping no one would die and we'd get more time, but of course I knew I would be a target the moment we all learned who Elohcin was. I understand why everyone thinks I could be her teammate and I have said this from the beginning.

If you lynch me I totally get it and no hard feelings, but certain roles might want to save a rezz for me later. (Doh! That's Dom's game. There appear to be no rezzs in this game) Well this proved not to be true!

YOU DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH ME!

I am not sure what else you would like me to address? You went ahead and voted for me, even though I said multiple times I was going to try and address your questions today. So...there it is. Did I miss anything else you brought up?

Does anyone else have something else they would like me to address?

thellama73 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I posted right before the post of MPs that you quoted; what is your opinion on Hedgeowl? If you posted it today, I might have missed it, I did not get a chance to read back yet, I am going to do that now.

Let me reread her and get back to you on that.

Okay, done. These are the things that stand out to me.

1. She is incredibly blendy. She never brings up suspicions or makes cases against people. She defends almost everyone, but not wholeheartedly. The only exception to this was on Day 2 when she brought up a suspicion of Dom, but she didn't really pursue it, just voted for him in the middle of the vote battle between me and Devin.

2. Her voting record looks bad. On Day 1, she defended Elo, then voted Vompatti to tie. She claims this is because she thought a tie might result in no lynch, which is possible, but that is not the way it is usually handled. On Day 2, she said I sounded civvie, yet refused to help me out by voting for Devin, of whom she had expressed no such opinion of civvieness. Instead, she voted for a person who was getting virtually no attention from anywhere else, Dom.

I'm really glad I did this reread, because her play seems to come straight out of the classic baddie tactical manual: "Blending for Beginners: A Step by Step Guide" by Horatio Badlington.

Are you serious? Half your point on number two is that I didnt come to your rescue as part of the Animal Sanctuary Squad! Everyone is starting to think you are civ and now you pull a mini No U? At the Day 2 people were jumping on llama - devin votes like their life depended on if (pun intended). I have actively questioned Dom and now the ball is back in my court because he said he missed it.

And my voting record? You mean my two votes? The Day 1 vote is the only reason people suspect me in the first place. As for blendy, you could say that about half the peope in the game. Some have barely even posted they are so overwhelmed. There are so many posts to just read that making cases and researching can take a lot of time.

Why are you manufacturing this case on me?

I will try to get to a computer tonight and address svs and dom by pulling quotes.

Whew! Points everyone. 3 1/2 hours later and only 24 mostly short posts.

WB Borok!

JC - I see from reading, the Bullz quote issue has been resolved. Let me know if there is anything else.

Several people mentioned rereading me. Mata and Llama to start I believe? I will await your rereads.

SVS - had questions for me which I promised to address today. I should be at a computer later this evening and will do so. If others have questions as well, I will probably only have time at a real laptop to address them make quotes etc. tonight it is challenging on an ipad and I often delete whole posts.

MP & Matt F - are you saying you both think llama and Devin are not bad now? I read a lot and want to be really clear about this.

Also, forgot this is not an 8pm ending game, so yay for more time to catch up.

I have a few things I want to look into and hope to have more time. Curious about the disappearance of DP. I didnt remember he was playing until someone mentioned him. He's definitely posting in other games. Hello DP! Are you there?

THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING. FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL PASSENGERS PLEASE SLOW DOWN THE POSTING.

Seriously folks, it's been over 12 hours since I checked in, but I am pretty sure many of us were sleeping during that time. It makes it really hard to catch up and make a good choice voting today.

Ok, now I will start reading the 4 pages created.

Linki- four more posts while I typed that! Go hang out in another thread. We have movies, tea, beer, anything you want.

Linki 2 - 5 posts 6!?!?

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:llama agreed (knows me in rl, has accused me of baddieness every game, and hosted me as bad)

Llama, you accused me of being a russian spy for most of our childhood! Have you ever really trusted me?

You weren't bad in that game!

I had actually totally forgotten about that! Your cover is deep indeed

Everyone thought Vomps and I were bad though and we had btsc, so it felt like it a bit.

Svs - i play most an ipad, but when I get to a computer tomorrow I can look back at your posts and address them more directly. I am off to bed tonight though.

OMFG! Why? Why? It took an hour to catch up on posts since this afternoon.

I was brought several times by MP, SVS, and Mata (nice fowl humor btw )

I was "dropped" as a suspect because people accurately read my defense as sincere. MP agreed (has hosted me as a baddie), llama agreed (knows me in rl, has accused me of baddieness every game, and hosted me as bad), Snow agreed (played on a baddie team with me), juliets agreed, and bwt sort of agreed, but he's not sure (maybe played in every game I have so far?).

This is of course not proof, and MP has questioned himself several times on this, but I believe SVS or Mata asked why no one followed up on me. I was also in the midst of a failing civ defense in another game (first time lynched as a civ in 5 games) and tried to be as straight forward in this game as possible, so as not to make the same mistakes. I hope this helps and am here for any questions.

As for the MP vs BDH-Llama debate I am definitely going to need to reread a bit. My head is a mess from the back and forth accusations. I dont currently think BDH is a baddie and was surprised that MP seemed to think he had "caught" him as an obvious baddie. Llama I am not sure on and agree his game is different this time, but I have a blindspot for him too. This early vote was strange cause if you really are concerned about your life over anothers dont you hold your vote?

Dom- why have you ignored or dismissed my posts? I am starting to feel invisible or are you trying to hide from me?

Linki- what about my posts sound bad SVS?

Llama, you accused me of being a russian spy for most of our childhood! Have you ever really trusted me?

RIPiywg Borok!

WB Bullz! So there are rezzes in this game? I didnt miss a role did I?

SVS- i think the speculation on strongsads poetry was that he might be saying Bullz was bad, before he died. Cause you are right, he wouldnt have known Bullz was going to die. No one did. This came from him and Snow admitting they had info. Didnt a few more people admit it too after daisy explained the poll? Will have to check.

Also, feel better Snowy and Lizzy!

Matt F wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It's disconcerting finding yourself being laughed at in threads you are not even playing in, lol.

If it makes you feel better, based off what hasn't happened yet in this game, based on Rey's absence...

I do not believe you are a baddie.

Oh, I wasn't laughing at you! Just thought the situation was funny and played along.

rey was playing this game? But seriously, I don't even think he's been mentioned as a suspect in the 26 pages we have so far.

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote: Thank! And yeah... I noticed Hedge did vote for me though... -ish.

Did you notice my post as well? I waited till literally the last minute for you to come and respond, but you didn't.

Exactly. You didn't even wait until I defended myself.

What do you think of my reply?

Well, I tried to wait, but also, I don't my vote caused you any harm either.

Your reply was to Matt F's entire post, so I mostly agreed with it. I highlighted only one part. Your confusion over which game Llama meant. Thats what I was waiting for a reply to.

Also, Matt F, I realized from your comment that maybe when I mentioned their dialogue wouldnt be that careless you thought I meant the fictional one you provided us. I actually meant the quotes you provided of the actual in-thread dialogue. I don't think if Llama, juliets, and Dom were teammates they would have carelessly interacted, providing information for each other in-thread. Not a criticism of your fun creative interpretation of what could have happened.

No problems here!

Dom wrote:

Matt F wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Matt F wrote:Going to work soon, one last thing before I go, potentially one of my last posts...*sniff* (although I'll probably post tonight for a bit, but like I said at the start of the game, weekends are the worst for me)...

Does anyone else think Dom's post about Hedge/Llama is weird? I still, even now, cannot make sense of it. I can't.

Why do you think you are going to be NKed? I'd be highly surprised if you are.

Actually, the only way I see myself being NK'd is if you're civvie. This way, I get NK'd, the thread goes "oh wow look Matt died, Llama must be bad!".

I dunno, though. I just have a feeling I am. I don't recall if there is a protector in this game, if so, I will send you a dollar through paypal!

Devin - Sure, you said that. But still, twice you said if Llama flipped civvie, you'd look at me. Why? Sure I made a big case against Llama and encouraged people to vote for him, but that doesn't auto make me bad even if he did flip civvie. So your flippity flop is interesting, IMO.

Anywho, gotta get gone. See ya all!

Linki - Dom, now that actually makes sense. So essentially, my huge ass post was based off of nothing. Ha! Oh well, at least I'm trying.

As for unfair, at least I didn't vote for you. I felt stronger about Llama considering I saw a possible correlation between you AND Juliet.

Peace!

Thank! And yeah... I noticed Hedge did vote for me though... -ish.

Did you notice my post as well? I waited till literally the last minute for you to come and respond, but you didn't.

Matt F, if Teen girl squad knew llama might be lynched, I wonder if they would all have jumped in to vote devin like that? Yes, it would reveal his role potentially, but they also knew he wouldnt die and therefore if would risk exposing them. So, I dont find that part of it too weird.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Matt F wrote:Can't be bothered to look through your own posts, Juliet? I already told you it was in your blue worded post. But here you go...

juliets wrote:It has occurred to me Mr F that maybe this entire story you made up is to try and get your teammate Lizzy off the hot seat.

You tell MP you will vote him if he is your strongest suspicion. I assume, since you believe Lizzy and me to be partners, that you would've voted me or Lizzy.

But instead you voted a low poster.

Looking at the roles, I see two civ roles that avoid lynches, and the top cheerleader role cannot be lynched until her team is dead.

I recommend, based on the fact that Llama could be either of these civ roles OR the baddie role, that the next day period, we lynch Juliet.

Linki

Let's not forget the Blue Laser head guy thing. He can't be killed either.

Gotta go again, byeeeeee!

He cant be Nk'd! Thats different.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Interesting... Is there a civ role that can survive a lynch? Because I know of 2 baddie roles that can't be lynched yet...

linki: llama, I'm not entirely sure I feel sincerity in that.

Just checked and there is a distinct difference in the baddie roles. One cannot be lynched and one cannot be NKd.

Linki- checking civs...

Duh! Found em.

Omg, let me post button.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Does anyone know how Daisy tends to handle ties?

Random death, I expect. That's how everyone except Epignosis does it, that I've seen.

Thats what happened Day 1 I assume. it was a tie. Ok, I am not going to wait anymore. I've missed voting if I get distracted again.

I am not going to break this tie. Thats what got me in trouble last time!

Voting for Dom.

Mongoose wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Was thinking of a Devin vote too but now it'll look like a bandwagon.


linki..whats up with that..two more votes!!!

Ugh I know, when I was first writing my post, he hadnt had any votes yet!
The acronym for Animal Sanctuary Squad is quite unfortunate.

You don't think A.S.S. is a great title for book, show, or movie targeted to kids?

thellama73 wrote:Animal Sanctuary Squad! Assemble! Your Llama needs you!

this makes think of, "by your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!" Anyone ever do a Captain Planet mafia?

thellama73 wrote:/me is starting to get nervous at how few people have voted with only an hour and a half to go.

I was waiting to see if Dom would respond to Matt Fs post first, since you and juliets have, before I decide.

thellama73 wrote:I can't believe people are taking that crazy, rambling post by Matt F seriously. It's just a bunch of imagined conversations that might have taken place in BTSC. Anyone can do that. I can imagine Matt F in BTSC saying "dude! I'm going to make a long and rambling post linking llama and dom and juliets and it will be hilarious." See? Easy.

I am not bad, I have no BTSC, and if I am lynched I suspect there will be much han wringing and gnashing of teeth among the civilians. I beg my friends in the animal sanctuary not to let this injustice stand.

Also, why are BDH and BWT telling ghost stories?

My impression is that this is part of Matt Fs style. Granted I have played only half a game with him at another site. I certainly appreciate the massive effort he put into this case. I will say that juliets style this game seems to consistent with other games. She checks in and asks questions of other players to reexplain the case or points. I have not figured out if this is because she is always confused or part of her style to observe if a slip is made in reponse to her questions.

That said the dialogue back and forth seems a little too careless if they were all on a baddie team together.

The point I find interesting is Dom bringing up that Llama had not mentioned him with rey and Mata as players who were quiet here, but not at another site. Dom then references the Six Feet Under game, which he Mata, rey, bwt, and I were or are still playing, but Llama hasnt been. So why on earth would Llama be talking about that game? The SFU game has been going on for weeks. Dom then uses this as a reason to find llama "slightly interesting." After llama clarifies which he game he meant Dom doesnt mention it again or say whoops! Of the 3 Matt F brings up I find Dom the most suspicious. I haven't decided, but I might vote there.

Linki- MP, I believe Llama was one of the first to think I was genuine in my defense, soo...leading a lynch how? As for suspecting him, I think I just have a blindpsot with Llama. I know him in rl, so I think he sounds like llama a lot. I have no idea whether he is bad or civ here.

Vompatti wrote:I'm assuming the ghost stories are part of the secret event. Mine will be up shortly as soon as I can think of an ending.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote: Unfortunately, I have felt 50/50 on him all game. :/ This makes me nervous...

Although... I feel slightly better about him than Hedge because Hedge sounded very sincere while Llama sounded very coached-ish.

Coached? Coached? You think I need coaching to be an effective baddie?

Now I'm insulted.

This is what someone accused Bullz of in Bioshock. He was also quite offended as the rest of us on his baddie team had not provided any coaching.

However, at this point I do not get a baddie read from llama. He has been lynched early in several games recently, so I find I give him the botd a bit.

I go back and forth on night talking. If I am worried about being killed I have waited to post my thoughts until right before the Night ends, so that my last, potentially super helpful (or totally incorrect) thoughts are not lost. I think it depends on what decisions baddies have to make at night. Russtifinko said it was hard in Mario to decide what to buy because the civs were not talking much at Night. Does kinda make the game boring for a while though if no one is talking. Mostly, I don't worry about it and just post whenever.

Linki- we do have quite the menagerie dont we?
Lizzy! Glad to see your back to shenanigans as usual.

Mongoose wrote:I am going to now talk about my personal life.

So you know how I got that paper that printed directly from my printer that said "Give directly to Alison"?

Well apparently the other pages didn't print. It was just city code addenda that they wanted me to add into the codes. Nothing exciting at all. In fact, the most banal thing ever.

I guess that is partly what I am struggling with right now. How does anyone explain a Day 1 vote without it sounding weak? The top vote getters were Bullz, Elo, and Vomps. I didn't have suspicions on anyone for Day 1 and everyone else had voted as the only voter for other roles knowing none of these people would be lynched and therefore they wouldn't feel responsible. Even MP claimed this with his vote for Vomps. Although he was the 2nd voter.

My decision was do I vote for someone and throwaway my vote because I know they wont die? Sure, I could have done that, but I decided to see what happened if I tied the vote. (I have since been informed by Bullz, that Epi only does this in polls and its not normal. But Epi has hosted 2 of the 7 games I have played or am playing so its my "normal") That's it really. I was hoping no one would die and we'd get more time, but of course I knew I would be a target the moment we all learned who Elohcin was. I understand why everyone thinks I could be her teammate and I have said this from the beginning.

If you lynch me I totally get it and no hard feelings, but certain roles might want to save a rezz for me later. (Doh! That's Dom's game. There appear to be no rezzs in this game)

YOU DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH ME!

Interesting theories being tossed around on Strongsad's poetry. I tend to agree that maybe it meant Bullz, although as BDH mentioned why not be more direct? I am not sure Strongsad has any more info than the rest of us. Unless his role says secret. I'll have to check.

I never want to vote Mongoose and she sounds like Mongoose so far, but I doubt I'll be the one to figure it out if she is bad. I don't have any more than I did last vote.

As for the suspicions around me. I understand my vote for Vomps is suspicious based on looking like a teammate protection and the timing. I almost always wait to last minute if I can. This has helped lynch a few baddies before I've found. I don't see anyway to defend against this. Think about it, all the civs considering a vote for me. If you were in my position how would you defend against a vote that looks suspicious, but is really as innocent as most Day 1 votes? I urge any of you thinking of voting for me to reconsider. It is a vote that all civs will greatly regret.

I just spent all day posting in another game, so I am burning out a bit, apologies.

Everyone who is suspicious of me because of my vote for Vomps, I understand. Please see my previous post on this matter:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:llama, have you already explained why you will be looking at gleam in another post somewhere (tbh, there has been so much posting I've lost track of some of the smaller things)? If not, could you give me some help on why you are looking there tomorrow?

I don't remember saying that. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

Right now, I am a little wary of Hedgeowl, for voting to tie Vompatti with Elohcin, and you for saying "I don't understand why Elo is getting votes" although to be honest, I doubt you would be that obvious if you were on her team.

1. You suspect me in every game we've played together. Usually on Day 1. I was surprised you didn't mention me yesterday. This susicion does not surprise me at all.

2. That being said this is actually the best reason you have had to suspect me so far. Shoot, I'd suspect me.

3. My thoughts were, I dont suspect Elo, Vomps or Bullz, but I dont want to throw my vote away. So I thought what would happen in a tie vote? I don't know what daisy does in ties. In Epi's game no one dies, so maybe no one will die. I assume we now know that daisy randoms between ties.

As for huts, I would assume Trogdor has to pick before we all vote, otherwise what's the point. The logic to all be in one then makes sense. If we all split he is guaranteed a kill. So Medicine man it is.

Nothing more to say than this really. I highly suggest you do not lynch me, but that's what anyone would say.

Linki- mongoose- not that color! it does not show well on the black for me. K, thanks.

RIP Bullz and Kate!

Event? Now I want to know!

Matt F wrote:FYI Mr. Trogder, if you happen to have picked Medicine Man Hut, I just want to let you know that the F Man will leave a bad taste in your mouth. However, in this group, we also have a mongoose, a llama, a dog, an owl, a bird, and a bunny, all of which are better tasting then Mr. Matt.

You should have picked Mayors hut then Vomps. You and Lizzy could be drinking that lovely vintage wine she pulled out of his cellar along with some delicious food you found in his fridge. Spill as much wine or beer on his carpet as you like! It's not Finalnd and not your rug, so go crazy!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:The closest thing I can think of is MP's Avant-Garde Mafia game. Where he gave everyone an option to open a present (which was a bomb). Over half the people left in the game died because they decided to open their "presents", including almost an entire baddie team.

I don't see that happening in this game, thankfully.

Thats how the everyone died? No wonder people werent using plasmids in Bioshock.

Spacedaisy wrote:Anyone who does not vote in this poll or do not send in a PM choosing a hut, will automatically be added into the hut that Trogdor chooses, thus meaning they will automatically be at risk for being NKed by Trogdor.

We are all going to die!! TROGDOOORRR!!! *Hides in hut* (that Trogdor totally knows we're all in)

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:llama, have you already explained why you will be looking at gleam in another post somewhere (tbh, there has been so much posting I've lost track of some of the smaller things)? If not, could you give me some help on why you are looking there tomorrow?

I don't remember saying that. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

Right now, I am a little wary of Hedgeowl, for voting to tie Vompatti with Elohcin, and you for saying "I don't understand why Elo is getting votes" although to be honest, I doubt you would be that obvious if you were on her team.

1. You suspect me in every game we've played together. Usually on Day 1. I was surprised you didn't mention me yesterday. This susicion does not surprise me at all.

2. That being said this is actually the best reason you have had to suspect me so far. Shoot, I'd suspect me.

3. My thoughts were, I dont suspect Elo, Vomps or Bullz, but I dont want to throw my vote away. So I thought what would happen in a tie vote? I don't know what daisy does in ties. In Epi's game no one dies, so maybe no one will die. I assume we now know that daisy randoms between ties.

As for huts, I would assume Trogdor has to pick before we all vote, otherwise what's the point. The logic to all be in one then makes sense. If we all split he is guaranteed a kill. So Medicine man it is.

This is the first time I ever played with a baddie lynched on Day 1! Woohoo! Sorry Elo. We love you.

Don't regret your vote now eh Snowy?

Ok, I voted Vomps and tied it for now. Nobody is jumping out and me now.

Have to go email Strongbad!!!

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I highly doubt anyone will come forward. Especially not baddies at this point.

What makes you think they haven't already come forward?
In fact, why wouldn't you or Snow be bad?

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I just found out my grandmother has died and I'm not feeling up to mafia at the moment, so I haven't caught up, sorry. I'll see if I feel up to it later tonight or something so I don't miss the vote, but I don't know yet. I guess this should be in OT green, but given it relates to my activity this game, I guess I'm keeping it normal color.

My sincerest apologies. I truly wish you the best <3

I reread teh thread and I really find that in retrospect and such, that MP was an eager puppy. I, however, will keep an extra eye on him for good measure, because I don't want him being tricksy on me.



I'm voting now because I'm going out with friends tomorrow, they're visiting me, so we're giong to a local NH theme park. Yes, New Hampshire has theme parks.

*votes Bullz*
I think either him or Snow may be bad. I don't see why a baddie wouldn't admit they got info... especially since we all came to the conclusion that basically a civv would only do that.

Dom- Bullz made the statement you quoted in response to me. I asked if anyone else had info. It was a bit obvious and thats why Bullz said he doubted anyone was oing to volunteer more, especially baddies. Since daisy told us there we baddies and civs receiving info it would have narrowed it down. I don't think Bullz is a baddie based on that though.

I am going to consider my vote for a bit because I am jot sure why people are voting Elo? Because she randomized? So did a bunch of other people. Heck, I thought i might.