The Syndicate

Who had the best haiku in the opinion of the hostesses?

I was particularly proud of mine.

The incisor tears
The molar is a chewer
Canine is a dog

S~V~S wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I am reywaS, and my role was Apple Johnny.

I had planned on using my role ability to create a network of civvies via temporary BTSC, but I was recruited on Night 1. I was still planning on using the temp. BTSC to help us win, but it didn't really work out. I tried to give Apollo BTSC with Artemis with my Night 0 target, but it failed and caused me to be insanified on Day 1. Anyway, I think the only successful target of mine was giving Artemis and Medusa BTSC. Every other night my target either failed or I was blocked. I tried to give myself BTSC with Chronos on Night 5 I think, but it failed. Then, I finally was successful on Night 9 when I gave myself BTSC with Helios for Day/Night 10. Then, of course, I only got one PM to Helios because I was busy all day today.

Did Apollo tell you his role? Any night targeting of him resulted in insanity. That confused us that you targeted him, lol.

Roles etc coming up shortly.

I also want to especially thank those who did double duty, like Epignosis, Roxy, Elohcin, A Person, Borok, DisPro and everyone who replaced back it. It made the game work so much better~ I think we had 4 Electras lol

@Lizzy~ that pesky helios was more trouble than you realize~ he's the one who brought Chronos back

I hadn't been recruited and had no idea what role Apollo had when I targeted him. It was night 0, so at that point I was still very much civvie. I picked Apollo to get BTSC with Artemis by picking the top posters at that time.

Dom wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:At this stage, with Hinzelmann dead, the Cult had the only night kill, and they had the numbers. Had Chronos lived (and he still had a few votes up his sleeve, and was trying to switch to Ceres at the end (which would have given the civs a shot, since she had the only other kill), but did not have the numbers to do it.

You all played an amazing game

Liki~ I never understood that. Had he been lynched (and he came close a few times with secret votes) he would have flipped civ which would not have looked good for you, Apollo~

Not a chance! And I would have gotten away with no votes if it weren't for that pesky Helios.

Had Electra and Zeus realized what was happening... I think they might have changed their minds on who they voted for

You played a great game, Dom! I tried to get BTSC with you twice, but I failed both times. Night 5 was one of the nights I attempted it. I can't remember the other night.

Oh, and Apollo did a great job with his continued "suspicion" of me throughout the game. I think he kept just enough suspicion on me to keep me from being night killed. Plus, he really deserves most of the credit for our win. He was a great strategist in BTSC.

I am reywaS, and my role was Apple Johnny.

I had planned on using my role ability to create a network of civvies via temporary BTSC, but I was recruited on Night 1. I was still planning on using the temp. BTSC to help us win, but it didn't really work out. I tried to give Apollo BTSC with Artemis with my Night 0 target, but it failed and caused me to be insanified on Day 1. Anyway, I think the only successful target of mine was giving Artemis and Medusa BTSC. Every other night my target either failed or I was blocked. I tried to give myself BTSC with Chronos on Night 5 I think, but it failed. Then, I finally was successful on Night 9 when I gave myself BTSC with Helios for Day/Night 10. Then, of course, I only got one PM to Helios because I was busy all day today.

yay!!

I must thank our fearless leader Apollo for the Phoenix is Hinzleman sideshow. Great game, everyone!

I thought it was funny, too.

The incisor tears
The molar is a chewer
Canine is a dog

Medusa wrote:you can search for teeth
down south, but you won't find them
in anyone's mouth

rude.

I am going to vote for Chronos.

Athena wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I know I will probably be getting several votes today and in all likelihood I will by the one that is lynched.

Lynching me will not help our cause, my fellow civvies. If you want to win, don't lynch me. In case no one has put it together by now, I am doing what I can to help. Hinzleman has obviously jumped onto this bogus "Phoenix must be Hinzleman" idea. I have missed the last 2 votes to try to force Hinz's hand. He had to either try to kill on a day where I missed the lynch vote...which would have proven to everyone that they were looking in the wrong direction...OR it would keep him from killing. It's really a shame that I've had to resort to this and you will see why when my role is revealed.

Anyway, I hope that my fellow civvies will not jump aboard this bandwagon and look elsewhere.

Sorry if I missed you saying it, but who do you think is Hinzelmann?

Apollo.

I don't really even understand why he has been so adamant about me being the best suspect for Hinzleman. Where is the evidence? Hinzleman killed on night 1 and whatever night Medusa was killed, right? So, how does that point to me?

I think Apollo could be Hinzleman because of how he's kept saying that I'm likely Hinzleman over and over and over again but has never really seamed to want me to actually be lynched. It's seemed very odd.

Does it really even make sense for Hinzleman to be me? I don't see it.

I know I will probably be getting several votes today and in all likelihood I will by the one that is lynched.

Lynching me will not help our cause, my fellow civvies. If you want to win, don't lynch me. In case no one has put it together by now, I am doing what I can to help. Hinzleman has obviously jumped onto this bogus "Phoenix must be Hinzleman" idea. I have missed the last 2 votes to try to force Hinz's hand. He had to either try to kill on a day where I missed the lynch vote...which would have proven to everyone that they were looking in the wrong direction...OR it would keep him from killing. It's really a shame that I've had to resort to this and you will see why when my role is revealed.

Anyway, I hope that my fellow civvies will not jump aboard this bandwagon and look elsewhere.

I think it would be foolish to think that Hinzleman has to be someone that's missed votes. I've been nothing but cover for Hinzleman, so I think some if not all of his quiet nights have been self protects and/or strategic decisions.

Sarcasm proves things, doesn't it?

Apollo, do you really think that I am Hinzleman? If you do, why the half ass approach? Why aren't you leading a lynch on me? I know you can't today, but your suspicion of me has been so passive aggressive it's as if you are just saying it over and over because you feel like you have to.

Pluto wrote:RIPIYWG Ares. WBIYAG Chronos.

Aphrodite wrote:

Pluto wrote:Had absolutely no time to check in and vote at all today. Really sorry about that. RIP Eros. I'm sorry I doubted you at times. Probably would have voted Phoenix again today.

I would like to hear more from those who voted for me about why I'm so suspicious? Because either there isn't much of a case on me or I missed something somewhere. Quotes would be nice as well.

Did you read the discussion during this past lynch? If yes then you already know why people voted for you. If not start by reading Eros case about you. There were several made inre to you. Very compelling stuff imo.

I had to go back and re-read it. The only part I remembered was Eros saying he thought it was suspicious that I "doubted" him. This is the rest of what I could find.

Eros wrote:

Pluto wrote: I've doubted you because you've made me go back and forth on you several times this game. And when you say you've "demonstrated your goodness", what are you referring to?

Back and forth, you say?

The only people you have helped lynch have been civilians. Naughty, naughty.

Yes, my voting record has been incredibly poor. I don't see how a terrible voting record alone is enough to make me a baddie. I've been an (at times) very confused civvie in this game. But I feel more certain now. And speaking of which...

Eros wrote:I also want to point out that on Day 6, Pluto voted for Phoenix sixth, after Pandora had three votes, and then it got tied up. Pandora's teammate hoping for a save? Entirely possible.

Not a save. I was unsure about Pandora (still am) and far more sure about Phoenix (still am). Pandora was at least willing to defend against her accusations. Phoenix has completely brushed them off with statements like "I am a civvie." Deflecting accusations instead of addressing them is the mark of a baddie to me.

lol. What was there to even address? Apollo kept saying I fit the bill to be Hinzleman because of the timing of my missed votes. How do I address that in any way other than saying it's just wrong?

The only other thing I remember being said about me is that I jumped on a suspicion. I think I addressed that. It was a case of me not doing a great job of keeping up with everything that was being said. I happened to agree with something someone said and I expressed as much. Again, how can I address this in a more satisfying way? Is there some big ball of semantics I could throw out there that would satisfy you?

I think if people really look at this, they can see it for what it really is. It's a couple of people jumping onto someone with faulty logic because it's easy. And I've helped make it easy, I suppose, because I haven't been in here as frequently saying a bunch of junk to appease you.

Even me being off the poll is being addressed with overtones of malice. "Oh, how convenient."

You accuse me of deflecting suspicions instead of addressing them. Well, sir, I accuse you of doing the easy thing as well. Jumping on a weak suspicion of someone because it's the easiest thing to do.

I blame a last minute guest. I'm sorry.

As far as a 2nd suspect....

I would have to say that I'm not trusting Eros....mostly gut though.

Aphrodite wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Apollo setting himself up for an epic fail.

If not you then who? Who is your top 2 suspects and why?

well, even though it may seem No-Uey, I would have to say Apollo. It's borderline insane this infatuation he has had with continuing to hold on to me as a suspect with crap evidence.

Apollo setting himself up for an epic fail.

I voted for Pandora for the obvious reason.

I find it hilarious that someone calls me out for agreeing with someone's suspicion, and then several people say, "Yeah, totally dude!"

LOL

I'm sorry, but I'm not bad. A lazy civvie....totally.

I'm very much a civvie.

I voted Cabazon Dinosaurs because it sounds awesome.

I can just stop voting in lynches to put this ridiculous suspicion to rest. It will either prove that I am not Hinzleman, or it will cause Hinzelman to stop trying to kill to try to continue this I am him nonsense.

I voted for Zeus. I don't really feel like I have a good read on anyone at the moment. I feel most comfortable with a vote for Zeus because I don't like all the wink-wink-ya-just-have-to-trust-me-guys-I-can't-say-anything-more-about-it. At worst it's a straight up falsehood and Zeus is using this fake info dump to build civvie cred, and at best it's a very lazy info dump. I'm leaning more towards the former at this time.

I guess 2/4 could be described as several. Regardless, I am not Hinzelmann. If I was I sure wouldn't be bringing focus to the fact that I did indeed miss votes by talking about it. Which nights did Hinzelmann fail to kill? I still think at least one of the non-NKs was done on purpose.

Apollo wrote:

Chronos wrote: Apollo, can you quickly go over the case you have against Pheonix? I am a bit confused on it, partially because I can't remember a lot of it. Sorry!

Happy to! I had Phoenix pegged as a potential Hinzelmann because he voted Day 1, which Hinzelmann must have, and he has missed several votes since then, and I believe Hinzelmann must be fairly inactive based on his lack of kills. The only other player that fits the profile better is Poseidon, and I'm choosing to trust Eros on him for the time being, because I can't see why anyone would want to defend Hinzelmann.

2 equates to several?

Pandora wrote:

Apollo wrote:

Pandora wrote: I am not sure how you can have any suspicions of me yet.

Actually, I find that sentence itself pretty suspicious.

Everyone just wants someone to point a finger at.

That sentence is pretty suspect tbh. That seems like more of a slip than anything else I've seen in this game. It sounds like you threw that "yet" in there by accident. It could be seen as you saying, "I am bad, but I haven't done anything shady for you to call me out on as of yet."

Pandora wrote:

Apollo wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Apollo wrote:As for me, I'm back on my hunt for Hinzelmann.No SK kill today, so we're looking for someone who voted day one, but has missed other votes. That leaves Mars, Phoenix and Vesta. Mas and Vesta have each missed one lynch vote, Phoenix has missed two. Therefore, Phoenix is my top suspect today (although I still don't trust Aphrodite and Athena very much at all.)

Just for the sake of exploring all possibilities, it should be said that this SK could do something crazy like skip night kills for the sake of making non voters seem suspect.

Yes, but I think that would be a bad strategy for a role that should want to kill off as many people as quickly as possible (I'm making what I consider to be a fairly weak assumption that the SK has a LMS win condition).

I have to agree with Apollo here. Phoenix, why would you forgo your NKs when you are trying to get rid of everyone in order to win?

Win Conditions:

Win with your team, dead or alive (except SK, lol)
Civs~ defeat Mafia & SK
Low Key & Wednesday: Secret
Mafia: Defeat civs, SK & Other Mafia
Hinzlemann~ Last Man Standing

Skipping an early kill or two is not that big of a concession to make if it keeps him off of people's list of SK suspects IMO. It's not a good strategy to continuously use for the entire game, but skipping a kill is not a bad strategy...especially when you have so much game discussion about how the SK is likely someone that has missed lynch votes. See how that works? In my opinion it would be an unlikely scenario if there wasn't so much talk about it.

Apollo wrote:As for me, I'm back on my hunt for Hinzelmann.No SK kill today, so we're looking for someone who voted day one, but has missed other votes. That leaves Mars, Phoenix and Vesta. Mas and Vesta have each missed one lynch vote, Phoenix has missed two. Therefore, Phoenix is my top suspect today (although I still don't trust Aphrodite and Athena very much at all.)

Just for the sake of exploring all possibilities, it should be said that this SK could do something crazy like skip night kills for the sake of making non voters seem suspect.

I spent a month in Kentucky one night.

I voted for Kentucky.

Damnit I missed the lynch. I got turned around and thought the lynch ended on Sunday. My apologies.

Fortuna wrote:

Medusa wrote:

Zeus wrote:

Medusa wrote:I must be unfamiliar with this style of mafia, the 'don't vote so&so' method. Why would Eros endorse two players, and not expect it to paint a target on himself and the other two players? Because he isn't worried about being a target?

Now Zeus is doing the same with Athena

Anyone have an idea about whether this strategy of being blatant is a civvie or baddie thing?

It would be a bold baddie move possibly. Too bold in my opinion. Of course you may factor in WIFOM which will bring you back to us being bad again. But that still makes it a very bold move for a baddie.

Put it this way. As a civ you see another person you think is civ being put under suspicion. How would you handle the situation? So far Athena has suspected a civ and failed to vote twice. In my opinion it is more common for civs to miss votes. Not that baddies don't. They certainly do.

Don't you think it's an equally bold move for a civvie to make? It's like saying 'here I am baddies. Come and get me/us'.

I agree with Zeus and think it is too bold of a move for a baddie. Plus, Eros is defending me, a civvie, so I know he must be civvie too.
I do think it is a bold move for a civvie, but not AS bold. If I were a civvie and knew a couple of suspected others to be for sure civvie, I think I would stick my neck out there and say, "hey, don't vote them, they are good." Even if I didn't have any evidence to show, I would still try.

Really? This isn't your first game of mafia, surely? This post reads as very suspicious IMO.

Eros wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

Eros wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I vote Fortuna.

Phoenix wrote:correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that the "case" on Artemis is the supposed "slip" with the "lots of civs voted..." thing and then there seems to be a few circumstantial things that seem reaching a bit. Is there any actual solid evidence?

The things that Apollo said about Fortuna seems more solid than the Artemis stuff in my opinion.

Keep this in mind folks. This is the only post Phoenix has made regarding Fortuna. Tagging along with another. Did Persphone grill the bird?

The only time Perseophone mentioned Phoenix is here:

Persephone wrote:If I was randomizing I would remove Medusa and Phoenix tbh.

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Mark it. Mark it with a B. Then put the Bad Guys in the oven and listen to them scream.

What are you trying to get at with this post?

EROS....What exactly were you trying to say with this post?

I was calling Persephone out on what seemed like an inconsistency.

It sounded like you were also calling me out because I was "tagging along with another".

Phoenix wrote:

Eros wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I vote Fortuna.

Phoenix wrote:correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that the "case" on Artemis is the supposed "slip" with the "lots of civs voted..." thing and then there seems to be a few circumstantial things that seem reaching a bit. Is there any actual solid evidence?

The things that Apollo said about Fortuna seems more solid than the Artemis stuff in my opinion.

Keep this in mind folks. This is the only post Phoenix has made regarding Fortuna. Tagging along with another. Did Persphone grill the bird?

The only time Perseophone mentioned Phoenix is here:

Persephone wrote:If I was randomizing I would remove Medusa and Phoenix tbh.

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Mark it. Mark it with a B. Then put the Bad Guys in the oven and listen to them scream.

What are you trying to get at with this post?

EROS....What exactly were you trying to say with this post?

I voted for Indiana.

Eros wrote:

Phoenix wrote:I vote Fortuna.

Phoenix wrote:correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that the "case" on Artemis is the supposed "slip" with the "lots of civs voted..." thing and then there seems to be a few circumstantial things that seem reaching a bit. Is there any actual solid evidence?

The things that Apollo said about Fortuna seems more solid than the Artemis stuff in my opinion.

Keep this in mind folks. This is the only post Phoenix has made regarding Fortuna. Tagging along with another. Did Persphone grill the bird?

The only time Perseophone mentioned Phoenix is here:

Persephone wrote:If I was randomizing I would remove Medusa and Phoenix tbh.

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Mark it. Mark it with a B. Then put the Bad Guys in the oven and listen to them scream.

What are you trying to get at with this post?

I vote Fortuna.

The more I read the more the case on Artemis seems like a trumped up bandwagon. I can't remember who said it, but when people call something a slip it's usually only a slip if it's blatant. Twisting english to make something a slip does not make it actually a slip.,

correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that the "case" on Artemis is the supposed "slip" with the "lots of civs voted..." thing and then there seems to be a few circumstantial things that seem reaching a bit. Is there any actual solid evidence?

The things that Apollo said about Fortuna seems more solid than the Artemis stuff in my opinion.

sorry guys, I've been a bit busy. I'm reading back through the last couple of days now.

what an entertaining catch up.

my apologies to our lovely hostesses and my fellow players for missing the vote yesterday.

I am going to vote for Michigan.

Wisconsin
Persephone
Apollo
Atlas
Athena
Vesta
Electra
Prometheus

Indiana
Artemis
Eros
Medusa
Chronos
Phoenix
Ceres
Zeus

Aphrodite wrote:Well my lovelies, I was a bit preoccupied the last few days. There was a rousing party with lots of strapping young men that I simply could not bear to leave. And what would a party be without glamorous me there to bring a little life (and seduction)? Now I am back to grace you with my presence again. I will try to be more focused on our proceedings, but with Vesta constantly harping on virginity it was beginning to feel a bit tedious. I mean, really! All these attractive gods and goddesses, why shouldn't we enjoy ourselves? Don't get your panties in such bundle Vesta darling, life can be much more fun!

To the question of whether Hinzelman gained something from the move to Wisconsin, I can't imagine how he didn't given the fact our host seemed to imply exactly that. I will likely be looking at Wisconsin voters for my lynch vote.

Not a bad idea. I will look back over the Wisconsin voters to see if anyone jumps out as suspicious. It would be very nice to get rid of the serial killer.

Indiana!

I'm going to TokyoRose for supertonic to anagoge the tie. Piggies premonstration

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Im going to protecting Rooter vote soon. Maligna Shouter sure who I interlocutor vote yet.

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