The Syndicate

Janie-poo has been gutted

Alice Nutter wrote:

Alizon Device wrote:I'm going to seal the deal on Sarah Good. If you're good, you could have tried harder.

3/10

I have no clue how you and Malin haven't been lynched yet other than prizes, cause your manipulations are mighty weak.

Most of your posts are made in hindsight like this Nutter. You wonder how Alizon and Malin haven't been lynched. You say it's obvious who the baddies are. Yet you followed Alizon and Malin's votes when they went against Sarah Good yesterday. Why should Alizon and Malin be held accountable for their opinions when you have given no opinions of your own and you followed their vote? Voting in silence and then making non-constructive remarks in the aftermath is not helpful civvie behavior. If you were suspicious of Alizon and Malin and think they should be lynched, then you should have said so. But I think you were fine with the Sarah Good lynch yesterday, knowing you could blame others for it afterward.

You are avoiding accountability, and you've been doing it all game.

RIP Sarah Good.

I understand why some were suspicious of Sarah Good yesterday and I had my doubts about her tone and matter of factness. Acting like she spearheaded the Mary Eastey lynch seemed like she was reaching for more student cred than she deserved. But I think Malin led us right into that lynch and we allowed it to happen. Sarah and Malin have been going after each other since at least Day 7, and yesterday Malin won the "NO U" battle. Alizon, I know you feel you are trench-buddies with Malin, but I think she needs to be back in the hot seat again tomorrow. We gave her a longer leash these past few days and she took advantage of it.

I'm also suspicious of Alice Nutter's lack of content as well as her voting record. Nutter is playing the quietest game I've ever seen from someone who is "active" the whole game. After Day 9 (after staying out of that lynch completely) she said it was obvious who the baddies were, and then Day 10 she doesn't post a single time, and threw her vote into the middle of the Sarah Good pile. I would like to have Nutter in the hot seat tomorrow at some point as well.

Katharina, I think you're letting your trust of Jennet before she died influence your opinion of her now. Jennet has called out two players I strongly feel she is wrong about, Alizon and Karin. I've picked up on a few things in both of their posts that make me think they're not the mafia. And I know for certain that Jennet is wrong about me. But she thinks that if she acts like she knows something, that we'll take her word for it and lynch whoever she tells us to.

Frankly I don't know what to do about Jennet: I don't think lynching her would be productive because I think she will appear as her role before her death. I don't see any other way to get rid of her and she's not disappearing like she hinted at. Unless the Death eaters kill her, she might continue to stick around and attempt to lead us in lynches. And the longer she's around, the more we will be tempted to follow her.

The patient shows.

". Sarah Anne Karin Swann Kozminski Jo N° 4 (5) (6), Ellis (9), Mali (10), 33% of yellow Polonais o"

Alizon Device wrote: I think Jennet has a student role but is working for the Death Eaters.

Alizon Device wrote:I think Alice Nutter and Sarah Good voted outside of the Karin/Whittle lynch for evil reasons.

I think Alice Nutter and Sarah Good are probably teammates.

If you're thinking of others.

Alizon Device wrote:I would support a Jennt lynch.

I would support a Malin lynch.

I would support an Alice lynch.

...

Alizon Device wrote:I would support a Sarah lynch.

I would support a Malin lynch.

Is one of them.

Alizon Device wrote: I think there are 2 bad guys left.

Alizon Device wrote:Jane, pull out your crayons.

Color the ones you think should be lynched with red the ones you're nervous about with yellow and those who are good with green. Not sure? Leave it alone.

Jennet Bierley
Alizon Device
Sarah Good
Katharina Henot
Barbara Kollerin
Malin Matsdotter
Alice Nutter
Anne Redferne
Jane Southworth
Karin Svensdotter

Karin died, Catherine, Carlin. Neural network with a great tone for the murder of a powerful neural network, neural network, something that is not good.

Lizzy wrote:Day 9
Who is a nasty Death Eater?

Alizon Device
1
Alice Nutter (9)
7%

Malin Matsdotter
1
Sarah Good (13)
7%

Karin Svensdotter
5
Jennet Bierley (2), Barbara Kollerin (3), Anne Whittle (5), Anne Redferne (7), Märet Jonsdotter (8)
33%

Anne Whittle
5
Katharina Henot (10), Malin Matsdotter (11), Alizon Device (12), Karin Svensdotter (14), Jane Southworth (15)
33%

Jennet Bierley wrote:Anyway, I really don't believe you all should be following what Alizon has to say today. She's seemingly taken the reigns and is leading us astray. She could be a misguided townie, but she very well could be a Death Eater (my belief).

What is Merlin, Sarah?

I don't know who Marilyn Allison. . I'm going to start making the sauce, it was the end of my Allison once again last month, before a couple of days ago, facing God.


There are many tag team has wanted to invest more in the elevator. Sarah Ellis. Abbot good crazy show, Catherine. Listen to voice messages. Citizens for the civilian population. Also the need to select a country.

Jennet Bierley wrote: Except that I offered my own lynch as a viable alternative to lynching Anne Whittle.

Jeremiah. Lynch. It is a pity, because it is not a problem for the rest of the day now. You can also continue in 2010?

Jennet Bierley wrote:I won't be active much at all today. I came down with a fever yesterday, and am feeling pretty rugged. I would also prefer to keep the 48 hour days please mods.

I plan on voting Karin again today, but I'll wait 'til the end of the day to keep you witches somewhat happy.

Why is there, but I want some words enclosed within 48 hours.

Sarah Good wrote: Go ahead and vote for the player that sniffed out Mary from Day 1 and see how far that takes you.

If you have a test that can be used. Prosecutors, meanwhile, has sought to use Barbara not Kathleen. The reason why. Maria allotriwse, everywhere the wrong account twice, Maria, who voted for him. Mary Kathleen to pick, but I don't want to use, just to prove he is not guilty.

Sarah Good wrote:Has it been considered/discussed that some of these survivals by Malin could be due to Horcruxes? :P

I found it, but the problem of work: this is a good choice.

Alizon Device wrote:Jane used the word "Good" (capital letter). At first I thought it was a mistake, but then it appears again in the fifth line ("You must only use this shortcut for Good!"). I don't know. It just seems kind of spooky.

This was not a joke.

Copy. . I have a feeling. It is not wrong. I do not agree that there should be a mind of winter, trying to get out, but from the first moment. In the same way that I think and that was the basis to display in Linz. (I)"

Personally I don't like the idea of 24 hour days because it means less discussion. 48 hours gives everyone the chance to read and respond. There are already players who don't check in during the first 24 hours of lynches. I'd like us to have more time to talk tomorrow especially since we're a little lost at the moment :-/

But I would be willing if the majority opinion is to switch to shorter days. I just don't see the benefit of having less time to talk through our suspicions.

Linki: No Maret, I do not.

RIP Anne W. Sorry

Alizon Device wrote:Your first sentence isn't true.

Katherina said why she voted.

Malin was insane, but came back after the lynch to explain his vote.

Jane did not add anything at the hour of her vote, but she had plenty to say before. It sounded to me like she voted more because she didn't like the Karin lynch.

I was about to say something similar to this. Katharina explained her vote (making a lot of points I ended up agreeing with) and Malin tried to (and later did). And did Jennet explain her vote before she cast it?

I thought Alizon made solid points to refute the case against Karin (also in this post). No one wanted to actually discuss Karin yesterday, they just wanted to make a weak case and then scold anyone who didn't immediately agree with it. I expressed doubts about how Barbara and Jennet approached their case and in return I was scolded by Anne Whittle. Anne tried to paint everyone who disagreed as a baddie, even when her accusations contradicted each other (like how she said Alizon's alignment would be obvious but then said Alizon had to be bad no matter what happened to Karin?) Whittle followed the vote for Karin with almost no hesitation and then branded everyone who didn't do the same as baddies, even when it contradicted her own thoughts. Whittle was against free thought, she was harsh to everyone who disagreed with her and so I found myself in agreement with the points brought up about her. I'm sorry that I was wrong but to me there was more to go on with Anne Whittle while the case on Karin was almost nonexistent and felt extremely manipulative.

I tied it up.

Jennet your proposal to be lynched in order to validate your suspicions is interesting. How long do you think you're back for? Will you be leaving as soon as Agnes did? If you'll soon be forced to go back to the underworld or wherever no matter what, then I think this might be worth doing. Your case on Karin isn't strong enough IMO for me to simply take your word on it like you want us to. I think that you (and Barb?) might have been rezzed with good intentions, but I'm not sure what to make of your arrival or how you've both played since you've been back. It feels like I'm being used as a pawn being forced to vote or think a certain way. I just have my doubts.

This is also exactly how Agnes acted versus Entjen when she returned, and I just looked back and Agnes was returned to us on the same Day that Mary Eastey was eventually lynched. In hindsight Agnes's case against Entjen looks like it could have been a distraction to try and take attention away from Mary. Agnes made a cryptic post about Sarah Good to start and then spent the rest of the Day attacking Entjen while promising to give thoughts about other players but she never delivered. Agnes had similar credentials as Jennet: Agnes was posthumously outed as an important student role, Jennet led the charge against the only lynched baddie. The perfect (sock)puppets for the Death eaters to "rez"/recruit. I can't shake the feeling that I shouldn't trust the new you and that this is all a messy distraction from everything that's happened the past 3 days.

Barbara you want other people to read for themselves but you refuse to read or comment on the pages you've missed since you died which might inform your opinion better. As a student, I think you would want to be aware of everything that's going on in the game so you have all the info you need.

Using yours and Jennet's behavior in the Mary lynch as a reason to justify your current behavior toward Karin is one of the reasons I don't currently trust you or your intentions. I don't think you're the same Barbara that died a few nights ago. With the exception of how you still are in agreement with Jennet on everything, this is NOT how I remember Barbara behaving or talking before her death. I think something might be going on underneath the socks.

Jennet, ideally I would like to discuss a vote for Malin again today, but I'm not totally comfortable with that idea either because she's insanified. I'm also wondering if - especially since you say you won't be around long anyways - if I should vote for you or Barbara instead.

I'd also like to hear Karin's thoughts about all of this.

Alizon who are you thinking about voting for today and why?

Barbara Kollerin wrote:I went back to check, and Karin did her vote for Mary one hour after Mary had posted about ten posfs of gibberish, and also after people had already been talking about how Mary had given up and thrown in the towel. If Mary herself had given up, so had her team. Karins vote being one hour after Mary went quackers bolsters my case.

She never nentioned Mary Eastey by name a single time all game, then suddenly votes her with no explanation, and then never mentions her thereafter, either. And, maybe you say, but if Mary was tilting what reason did Karin have to give, it was obvious, to that I answer simply that if that were the case she'd have said as much in her relly to my case. But no, she tried to sugfest that Mary's lynch was not yet a done deal at the time she voted, and any readback of the day Mary croaked proves that to be wrong. OBVIOUSLY wrong.

It's nice that you had time to do this but not enough time to read the parts of the thread that you've missed while dead. You still haven't given thoughts on any other aspect of the game other than your case on Karin despite people asking you to do so (linki I see you now just briefly talked about Alizon somewhat). Do you see how this looks to someone who is suspicious of your intentions now that you're back in the game? And then you go after Karin for being a low poster and by painting her vote for Mary in a negative light. You could take any witch's vote from the Mary lynch and make it look bad because almost everyone voted for Mary which means her teammates probably did too. I agree Mary seemed to give up eventually so why wouldn't her teammates have voted her early? And why would Mary give up like that if not to try and cast doubt as to who her teammates were? Your case on Karin is manipulative and you don't ask her any questions. You just quickly vote for her and then accuse her and try to force your view of her gameplay on everyone else. You do not even ask Karin to explain her actions, you only try to impose your view of them.

I wish Merga were here. She would be able to say this better than me.

Jennet Bierley wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you

Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.

Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?

Like I said before, I've not really followed the game thread since I died, so yes and know.

Also, yes it may seem like my vote came out of nowhere, because well, I was dead until today.

Yes that's exactly my point. You have not followed the game. But you vote for Karin immediately and justify it by saying you did the same to Mary. This is out of nowhere and seems like a huge distraction from everything we were currently talking about. " " indeed.

Something feels off here. I think someone is hoping we'll all jump on the bandwagon because of the early votes and because we agreed to stick together. Barbara and Jennet's approach to the game since they returned is not what I expected at all.

I will ask again. Jennet and Barbara, do you know why you've returned, are there any details of your return that we should know about? Barbara, do you know how you died in the first place? Do either of you have an opinion on Alizon, Malin, or any other witches? Do you have any thoughts on what's happened the past few days?

I want to hear more from Karin too. But I won't be led to making a hasty decision just because the two of you seem so sure. I felt good about you both before you died Jennet especially but I have no idea why either of you are back or what your intentions are. And the way you've played since returning concerns me.

Linki @ Malin:

Anne Redferne wrote:wow that is a pretty damn good case holy shit

Do you think it is? Barbara only said some of the same things others have mentioned earlier about Karin (that she only talked about the teachers at the beginning of the game). Then Barbara used Karin's vote for Mary against her. All of Karin's votes have seemed out of the blue and not something she brings up beforehand. Her vote for Mary is no different from her votes earlier or later in the game. But Barbara turned that vote around on her when I see nothing suspicious about that vote. When Barbara "had a look" at Karin, she ignored most of Karin's more recent contributions where she seems to be paying attention more and posting more. Barbara opts instead to count Karin's total posts and average them out, basically just saying that she's been a low poster for most of the game.

I agree with you Katharina. I'm thinking that all might not be as it appears with the rezzes this game.

RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you

Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.

Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?

Welcome back Barb and Jennet!

Please help us.

I voted for Malin again.

You're not really? I will be voting either Alizon or Malin, Malin is my preference, I just want to know what others think.

And here we are with a split vote, just like we didn't want. I still would rather vote Malin more than I want to vote Alizon or Anne.

Alizon, do you think Malin is bad? Do you think we can risk splitting the vote to put more votes on Malin?

Everyone who hasn't voted yet, where are you looking?

Merga Bien: forceful player, guides discussion, has strong convictions. She's either an A+ student or playing a hella crazy baddie game. I feel good about Merga even if I don't agree with all of her thoughts.

Alizon Device: sharp tone, opinionated, engaged in the conversation. Seems to have a chip on her shoulder re: low posters but I too am wary of baddies sneaking through the game by not talking. The sockpuppets make low posting a good strategy for some players who otherwise would not be able to get away with it due to their reputations. But going after low posters is also a standard strategy for scum to try. I still haven't made up my mind about Alizon. The more she talks, the less sure I seem to become.

Sarah Good: she's more talkative lately but mostly makes jabs at Malin. I'm suspicious of Malin so it's hard for me to be suspicious of Sarah Good. I think one of them has to be bad. Sarah voting twice for Mary, plus my existing suspicion of Malin make me lean good for Good here.

Katharina Henot: I feel good about Katharina.

Maret Jonsdotter: I feel good about Maret too.

Malin Matsdotter: I haven't agreed with much that Malin has said. Her tone and the way she says things make me think she isn't concerned with finding baddies, just staying alive herself. I have trouble reading Malin's posts and seeing a civvie perspective in them. She is my biggest suspicion.

Alice Nutter: I have no read on her. All I have to go on is that she survived a kill attempt from the Death eaters, but I haven't ruled out that they would target someone on their own team since surviving a kill can get eyes off your back. I want to keep an eye on Nutter and hope that she will give more of her own thoughts. My mind is not made up here but evidence points toward not being evil.

Anne Redferne: talkative without adding much of her own opinion which is alarming, but her tone reads genuine to me. I think she is civ but wouldn't be surprised if she's pulling the wool over my eyes. Players with this kind of play style generally fall into my blind spot. Mind not made up.

Karin Svensdotter: once a low poster, seems to be participating more. That's encouraging. I don't agree with some of her thoughts but I'm trying to keep an open mind about varying play styles. I'm hoping she continues to participate more. For now she remains one of my top suspicions and I'm watching what she says.

Anne Whittle: has mainly focused on Alizon, just as Alizon has mainly focused on Whittle. It's tough for me to gauge my opinion of her without knowing how she feels about any other players. She has not shared most of her opinions. I'd like to see her do one of these lists.

RIP witches. I had nothing but good vibes from Margaret Reinberg. I was not as sure about Barbara or Anna Koldings but rest in peace all the same. That was a very weird October day at the quidditch pitch.

Merga I know you feel strongly about Alizon, but we agreed to stick together this lynch to prevent manipulation. But all the early votes feel like forcing everyone else's hand. I thought Alizon's comment about bringing Mary back was in poor taste but I realized it was a joke right away. I'm glad there's still some discussion happening despite the early votes. We still have time.

I don't know how to explain Alizon and Malin both surviving their respective lynches. I am also worried that Alizon cannot be lynched again today, as she has hinted at. Nothing worse than a wasted lynch. If we believe a solution exists such as the lynch attempts must be consecutive, then Malin would have my vote today. I'm more suspicious of Malin than I am of Alizon. If they are juggling lynch immunity, they are both playing an incredibly ballsy game.

I'll start working on my own list like others have done, it's a good idea. There are a few witches I have not considered much, Anne Whittle being one of them.

A Person wrote:

Day 7

No one has been lynched.

Lots of discussion tonight, we have some feisty witches in here. I keep flip flopping on Alizon. She is someone I plan on rereading soon, especially re: her connection to Malin and whether or not that connection exists. I see a way that they could both be civs but I have to see if it's something I think is likely. I do think at least one of them is bad, Malin is the one that I've been more convinced of so far. I'm glad Karin has joined us, I look forward to hearing her thoughts.

Merga I see what you're saying now about Alizon's vote for you and I agree her reason for voting you that day was horribly thought out. But I think the mafia was content that day with the Margaret Pearson lynch, why would Alizon (a Death eater in this scenario) try to swing the lynch your way instead, and with such a lame reason that she likely wasn't going to get any support behind it, and you couldn't be lynched anyway? That's the problem I see with those events, I don't see the baddie benefit for Alizon's actions, but like I said I need to reread her. But I agree that in general that is the kind of behavior we need to be watching out for. It would be easy for the mafia to control the lynch if we don't stick together. Hopefully with more discussion like we've had tonight, we'll be able to reach a consensus together.

What is a graphorn? Is it as beautiful, majestic and badass as a unicorn?

Voted Malin.

Malin, Agnes made one cryptic post that may have referred to Sarah Good and spent the rest of her time going after Entjen. She never elaborated or tried to make any points about Good. It's weird that you're clinging to what she said. What do you think Agnes knew about Sarah Good? Why do you think she didn't pursue it further and instead focused on her other suspects?

Karin, I and others have asked you direct questions but you haven't responded to them. When you missed one of the votes I asked you who you would have voted for but you didn't answer. It's things like that which makes me think the thread doesn't have your full attention. Also, you were originally suspected because your only on topic posts were talking about the professors, so it's not like people didn't mention their reasons for suspecting you. What do you think of Alizon and Malin? Do you have any suspects besides them?

Do you think she can be lynched today?

Maret, do you have reasons to believe that Alizon isn't the student role you considered?

Malin, your "case" against Sarah Good is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. All you did was quote her posts verbatim and then say "I think I've seen a baddie play this way before, and didn't Agnes say something about her?" Some analysis to go with the conclusion you drew (that this is baddie behavior) would be a nice start. And have you ever seen civvies that have acted like Sarah is?

Rest in peace to all the modkilled witches. It is sad to see you go even if you weren't currently playing. We likely lost some students in the bloodbath

Malin and Maret seem to be misunderstanding each other even when they're in agreement.

Anne Whittle wrote:So I agree with Merga's post about Alizon knowing what the punishment is for missing votes. It's why Alizon voted the way she did.
Very convenient to insanify Merga too. Very wifom.

I will be sticking with my Alizon suspicion for this lynch unless someone has something stronger.

You and Merga are reading a lot into Alizon's vote for Merga here. I don't know what the punishment for missing a vote is, you're hinting that it means you start off with extra votes. If Alizon voted Merga for nefarious reasons, wouldn't Alizon's team have told her that Merga had lynch immunity that day? Merga simply could NOT have been lynched as a result of Alizon's vote so I think it's weird that it is being held against her so strongly. That vote looked like an uninformed mistake to me but you're giving it much more meaning than that.

Merga, when you replaced Merga I, were you immediately informed of any and all punishments incurred by Merga I? I understand if you have to wait until later to answer this question.

Same question to you Alizon. Were you informed when you joined the game about any punishments that were currently affecting Alizon I?

Merga's insanity appears different than what we've seen from Luna so far. Either Luna gets to choose between different insanifiers, or the Death eaters have access to a similar power.

Alizon survived a lynch yesterday. What do we think will happen if we lynch her today? I have not seen this discussed.

Voting Malin. I'm hoping both she and Alizon are bad, they have defended each other and been in agreement on some odd things, but I think the case on Malin is stronger.

You have oversimplified the case against you Malin. It is not about how hard you are or are not trying. I find you suspicious for trying to dismiss player's thoughts as being invalid and for guiding discussion in ways that suit your agenda.

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Märet Jonsdotter wrote: You don't think your complete dismissal of everything I said completely crushed discussion?

No. First of all "everything you said" consisted of one question of no more than a dozen words. I merely offered an opinion on it when asked. I fully expected others to say "I agree with Malin because..." or "I disagree with Malin because..." I thought that was how discussion was supposed to work. Do I have to agree with you in order to encourage discussion?

Here you say that you assume people will agree or disagree with your response to Maret's question, admitting that you think your opinion will be a guiding force in how the discussion goes. But in your very next post/ response to Maret:

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Märet Jonsdotter wrote: Really? Because you seemed pretty read to kill my discussion from the get go.

Well I wasn't. I don't know what else I can say. I can't control what other people choose to discuss or not to discuss.

Here you try to avoid accountability for guiding discussion.

It seems that you want people to agree with you but don't want to be held accountable when they do.

I forgot that Nutter survived an Nk. That moves her down a few notches in my suspicions and bumps Malin up a few. It seemed that Malin had more reason to vote for Nutter but ended up tagging along on Nutter's vote for Margaret P instead. And when I mentioned that I didn't see the case on Margaret, Malin made a face at me instead of explaining the case to me. Malin seems just as dismissive as she accused Nutter of being.

Alizon, why do you think Karin is good? Is there something specific you can point to that makes you think so? Especially when you say regarding other low posters that there isn't enough to go on, I'm not sure why you're so quick to defend her gameplay. She is the low poster I am most suspicious of.

I had been feeling okay about Margarethe Reinberg so far. Civs have bad voting records just as much as scum do at this stage. Margie R has read as genuine to me.

Reinberg, why do you say you think Alizon knows you will flip civ? Are you suspicious of Alizon?

Rest in peace Jennet and Entjen. And goodbye again Agnes

Merga Bien wrote:Another reason I am not in love with low poster voting in THIS game is that I know the punishment they receive for having missed votes, having replaced the very quiet Merga I, and lets just say it makes them an easy lynch. And when you are a baddie, any lynch not your team is a good lynch.

Interesting. Are you allowed to talk about the penalty for missing a vote? Have you seen hints of it in things done by Merga I and other players? And have you seen anyone who might have been trying to make an easy lynch out of that behavior?

Also, low posters are different than nonvoters IMO. There are some people who are playing the bare minimum, like Karin and Sarah Good, coming in to post and vote at least once each day. Then there are others like Brita Zippel and Rebecca Nurse who have inexplicably disappeared after being active players in the first few days. No posts. No votes.

I find the low posters more suspicious than the players who don't even seem to be playing currently. It is possible that the latter are trying to get replaced.

Welcome, Anna Koldings! What makes you think civs need priority over mafia for replacement players? You say it might be because of the numbers. But it's likely there are only three (maybe 4) evil witches left, unless you are still wary of the professors. We have been pretty lucky against the Death eaters kills so far although last night was a little brutal. But I don't think we need to be too concerned about the numbers just yet. We should still have a strong civ majority at this point.

I was planning on doing a kinky style type post going over the events of the Margaret Pearson lynched but the laptop is out of commission and phones are hard to make links. But in that lynch, Malin swooped in toward the end of the lynch and started posting short snippets of suspicions in regards to the low posters. She posted one about Margaret Pearson. She posted one about Alice Nutter that accused Nutter of being sloppy and defensive and dismissive. Nutter responded to her post by dismissing it defensively, saying her head wasn't in the game and that maybe Malin's team should kill her. Then Nutter voted for Margaret without saying which, if any, points on Margaret she agreed with. She did not give an explanation to go with her vote. Then Malin responded to Nutter by following Nutter's vote on Margaret Pearson. It was an odd back-and-forth. And I am not sure which behavior is more suspect there, Malin's or Nutter's.

Malin and Alizon going after low posters and then after Maret seems odd as well but I think civs often change their thoughtstream more spontaneously than the mafia does. Alizon compared Mary's behavior with Bridget's and cited that as a reason to not vote for her. I don't recall Malin mentioning Mary but I have not yet gone back to confirm this.

And now I must stop because it took me like an hour to type that all out on my phone.

I choose the gruesome death behind door #2.

Nice job ladies!

FYI I am having laptop issues so I'll only be able to play from my phone until further notice, hopefully only for a few days. My posts will likely not be as organized and thorough as I would like them to be. Posting from my phone can be a real witch sometimes.

Not a lot of time. Voting Mary. She never responded to my questions and I think she realizes she's been caught. She isn't bothering to defend herself or even offer any suspicions other than Jennet, a suspicion that only really makes sense if Mary is a Death eater. Now she's just posting nonsense. Definitely looks like she's given up.

Jennet I haven't forgotten about the points I want to make about the Margaret lynch. I also think it's interesting that Karin voted for Mary even though the points brought up about them both are remarkably similar and Karin refuses to offer any insight into her votes.

Sorry for checking in so late in the Day, folks. It's been a busy few days for this witch. I can see I've already missed a lot of discussion today, which to be honest is a bit refreshing because it seems like we haven't had a day this productive since the game started. And welcome back, Agnes!

I cannot believe people are still pushing the lynching of low posters after yesterday's debacle. Frankly, while a lot of good points have been made today, I find it odd that no one has tried to go through what went down yesterday with the Margaret Pearson lynch. There was a lot of guilt free behavior during that lynch and I think it's currently being swept under the rug. I'm also wondering why, if we are talking about low posters still, more has not been made of the case on Karin. Karin got 3 votes yesterday for only talking about the professors, then she missed the vote and never really explained why. Today, she is not really discussed at all, even though the vague idea of lynching a low poster is being tossed around. People bring up "let's lynch the low posters" without actually going through and considering specific suspects, then at the end of the day a lynchmob randomly forms around a baddie-approve low poster, and a student dies.

Agnes, I understand some of the points you made about Entjen but I do not necessarily agree with your conclusions. I was worried as well that she wasn't really trying to actively baddie hunt and was only defending herself, but she does seem to be participating in the conversation more today than in the past. I don't see myself voting for Entjen today but I'm willing to keep an open mind about her for the future.. I look forward to hearing your thoughts about other players when you're finished reading.

It does look like Malin jumped on Maret for simply asking a question. I think that may be a misunderstanding, because to be honest I wasn't really sure what kind of points either of them were trying to make against the other. When I don't understand an arguments, it usually means civ on civ, or at least it usually does to me. I don't see myself voting for either of them.

I also find Mary's vote for Karin yesterday to be suspicious since it does seem like the only thing Mary is interested in talking about is the professors, but that was essentially the entire case on Karin yesterday when Mary voted for her. That seems hypocritical to me. I can see myself voting for Mary today. Mary, do you suspect anyone of being a death eater? Why are you content to settle on someone you think is a professor? Do you have some valid reason to be afraid of them? And why don't you have stronger suspicions worth voting on?

Alizon, while I agree that it is likely that at least one, if not more of the baddies are playing the silent game underneath their socks, I don't think it's a good place for us to start our search for the Death eaters there. It is smarter to find a talkative baddie first, get her out of the game before she does any more damage, right? And hopefully once we get our first mafia lynch, we'll have some breadcrumbs to follow, perhaps allowing us to pinpoint the witch's quieter teammates. There is at least one witch playing keeper for her mafia quidditch team.

But Alizon did not end up voting for a low poster, she voted for Maret and quite abruptly. Alizon, what makes you so convinced about Maret? Can you point to specific things and why those things convinced you to vote for Maret?

And has anyone heard from Rebecca?

Rest in peace, Margy P. The gargoyle strikes sound way more boring than the other three.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:fiddlesticks! I can't believe I missed the vote. It was a horrible result too.

Who would you have voted for?

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I had forgotten what you all were talking about with the "Sarah Good with the devil" stuff so I went back to look. Here's all the votes that are related to votes for Sarah Good and/or votes for seeing people with the Devil.

From Day 1:

Anna Koldings wrote:Psyche.

Randomized Sarah Good.

Bridget Bishop wrote:I saw Agnes Sampson with the devil!

Anne Whittle wrote:

Anna Koldings wrote:Psyche. Randomized Sarah Good.

I will non-randomly follow your vote for Ms. Good. Four posts and she has used the word Good in every one. Subtle manipulation? Magically influencing us? I say she's up to no Good.

Votes Good for Bad

2 Good votes. One is stated to be random, the other one not so much. The "I saw ______ with the devil!" is Bridget's vote and appears to be unrelated.

Day 2:

Bridget Bishop wrote:I saw Alizon Device with the devil!

Katharina Henot wrote:[...snip...]I have a date today with a very handsome wizard so I must vote now.

People with an S in their name have won the lotto today so I'm voting Sarah Good.

Sarah Good wrote:No time. Voted me.

The "with the devil!" thing is Bridget again, so is officially unrelated to the voting Good stuff that's been happening. Katharina gives a nonsense reason for her vote, so it feels either forced or random. Sarah Good voted for herself on Day 2.

Day 3:

Margaret Pearson wrote:I want to make sure I won't miss the vote again, so I shall go ahead and vote now. Furthermore I'm not buying the whole Krystyna thing. Little owls told me that *Sarah Good* is the wicked among us.

Margy P is the only person to vote for Good on Day 3.

There were no votes for Good on Day 4.

So no one who voted for Sarah Good said anything about seeing her with the devil. However, all of the votes so far for Good this game have seemed pretty suspect, like they are forced or random. Votes for Good have happened on both even and odd days.

I cannot see why someone would use "that Sarah Good business" as a reason to vote for Margaret Pearson when others in the game have done basically the same thing she had.

I voted for Karin. Karin has indeed only said a few on-topic things, all related to the professors and/or their alignment. Other than that, she just has voting posts. Talking about the professors seems like a good way for baddies to join the discussion without having to talk about themselves.

If we're going for a low poster today, Karin seems the most suspicious to me. *votes Karin*

Okay, that's a bit of a weird pileup on Margaret P. Not sure what to make of it. I don't see how she stands out from the other low posters.

Malin Matsdotter wrote:I agree Mary's vote record looks bad, and that should not be dismissed. Vote records are always a good way to catch baddies, ecuase they can lie in the thread, but ultimately they have to cast votes and not lynch their teammates.

I am a little hesitant to jump on this yet, however, because it is only day four and I can think of plenty of games where I have been a civvie with an equally terrible vote record.

I don't think we'll be able to make much out of voting records until we get a baddie lynch under our belts. Then we can start drawing connections between votes, thread activity, and who tried to save whom.

Mary: other than Sarah for her lack of participation and punny posts, and Entjen who you said you are giving a pass to today, is there anyone else you are suspicious of?

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Merga Bien wrote:Hello?? I feel like...a new person.

Don't attack someone with Amnesia, OK? Let me catch up.

Can someone help a witch out and give me a highlights reel?

Welcome, Merga! I don't think a recap will do you much Good, so here is a link to a list of all of the players in the game. The names you find there contain links to all of that witch's posts in this thread. I suggest you start trying to read the full thread, beginning around the start of Day 1, and if something you read catches your eye, you can use that list to quickly peak at any player's contributions to the game. Do try to keep in mind the context around posts that you find in this way, because if you aren't sure what's being discussed, you might draw wrong conclusions about what you're reading. You must only use this shortcut for Good!

Unfortunately there is not an easy way to recap the thread for you because we haven't caught a baddie yet. We're still flying a little blind, and the thread will probably reflect that. Most everything that you NEED to know can be found in the first few posts of the game.

Jennet Bierley wrote:Malin Matsdotter - Malin seems to be the most level-headed player here. I don't see anyone else making as smart, thought-out decisions as she is. She strikes me as town.

Hmmm... but didn't you say that baddies are more likely to play a careful, mistake-free game than civs are? Malin hasn't really stood out to me this game so far, but I can see how she could either be a smart civvie or a baddie who knows exactly what to say.

Jennet Bierley wrote:Jane Southworth - Well she premeditated my player post list, you witch. Anyway, she was prodding a bit yesterday when Anne made a suggestion about my role. More likely than not, that is a baddie 'politely' looking for more info than she needs, especially in a game where info-sharing isn't allowed. She is next on my list after Mary.

I didn't really think Anne's suggestion that you were responsible for the role reveal was probable, but it seemed like something we could confirm or debunk really easily, so I asked you. I didn't really realize that "info sharing" wasn't allowed... but the hosts clarified this for us anyways.

I agree with most of your other thoughts on the active posters, including Mary. She's someone I want to look at more closely. I expected her to have some extra insight for us after spending the day insanified yesterday, but she has been much quieter today than she was while Luna'd.

Margarethe Reinberg wrote:I'm going to take another look at what the case is against Barbara. There is a possibility I could vote for her today but I want to see a good case before I do so.

Like Jennet said, there's not really a fullblown case here. She's been questioned a few times to explain her odd behavior this game. I questioned her and the responses I received have made me feel better about her, but I'm still keeping an eye on her for sure. Don't see myself voting here today, though.

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Alizon Device wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:Where is everyone? Lots of people haven't even checked in today. 9 witches have 10 or fewer posts: Alice Nutter, Alizon, Brita, Karin, Margaret P, Sarah Good, Kael, Anne Whittle, and Merga. There's likely at least one baddie in that group, lying low and blending in. I'm giving Alizon and Anne W a pass for now, as they were recently replaced and seem to be participating. Anna Koldings has 14 posts, and said she would be more active today, but that has not happened yet.

So witch one is it?

I had been feeling pretty good about you Jane, but in my experience, throwing out a bunch of names is something baddies do.

I don't know witch one it is. I do think it's likely that a baddie is lurking there. As for throwing a bunch of names out, it's not like I said "Hey, here's 10 people you might think about voting for!" I simply made a list of the low posters who need to step up their activity for the good of the town. Light a fire under their feet, if you will. Maybe in the process, we can ferret out which ones among them have bad intentions. The main point of my post was to get some discussion going, because the first half of the Day wasn't very productive from a suspicions standpoint. Bringing up the low posters isn't the most assured way to get people talking, but it's a start. And it can be telling, to see how people react to it.

I saw that someone just did this in another game and it seemed like a really good idea. Especially since it's hard to keep all you witches straight sometimes.

Jennet Bierley
Merga Bien
Bridget Bishop
Krystyna Ceynowa
Alizon Device
Mary Eastey
Entjen Gillis
Sarah Good
Katharina Henot
Märet Jonsdotter
Anna Koldings
Barbara Kollerin
Malin Matsdotter
Kael Merrie
Alice Nutter
Rebecca Nurse
Margaret Pearson
Anne Redferne
Margarethe Reinberg
Agnes Sampson
Jane Southworth
Karin Svensdotter
Anne Whittle
Brita Zippel

No I meant Rebecca but I do think I mixed up one of her posts with yours. This was the post of hers I was thinking of:

Rebecca Nurse wrote:

Katharina Henot wrote:
Roughly 20 minutes later she was here to make these comments but not to address anything game related as the lynch is coming closer to close time.

Since she was online and posting, I asked her again to take a look at my post as it's hard for me to respond to her initial request w/o having any answers to the questions I have.

This feels to me like avoiding actually talking about what her opinions are. Like she just threw some names out to look like she was hunting, but didn't want to discuss anything too in depth. I tried to give her a chance to elaborate more, but she has not done that. She has avoided doing that.

There's where my vote is going and that is why.

You "gave me (barely any) time" to post of mine that you seemed to agree with? Or at least weren't bothered by? :P Makes sense. I'm at work. Using my phone. A dick joke or two before I clock in I have time for. I always have time for a dick joke. I dont have time to make worthwhile posts about the game. I'm on break at the moment - since you need my minute by minute schedule. Don't be such a witch. :P

It was in response to Katharina. I agree that, at the time, Katharina hadn't given Rebecca much time to respond. But that was over 48 hours ago and there still hasn't been anything from her. You'd think that if it was just work that kept Rebecca from responding at the time, that we would have heard from her by now.

Where is everyone? Lots of people haven't even checked in today. 9 witches have 10 or fewer posts: Alice Nutter, Alizon, Brita, Karin, Margaret P, Sarah Good, Kael, Anne Whittle, and Merga. There's likely at least one baddie in that group, lying low and blending in. I'm giving Alizon and Anne W a pass for now, as they were recently replaced and seem to be participating. Anna Koldings has 14 posts, and said she would be more active today, but that has not happened yet.

Of the higher posting players, I am getting more civ vibes than baddie ones. Rebecca however stands out to me for the way she acted at the end of the last lynch and into this one. She came through yesterday with some suspicions and pointedly asked for thoughts. When thoughts were given, and she was asked in return to respond or said she would respond, she twice used the excuse of having to go to work instead of ever getting around to answering those things. I've been trying to give her more time so she couldn't use the ol "Don't rush me, I didn't realize I was being timed" excuse, but she has not shown up yet today and I have to bring it up eventually. Here's where she said she would reply to some stuff:

Rebecca Nurse wrote:Everything I say is meant to be lighthearted and jokey

This is the time I get ready to leave for work everyday - gotta be there in an hour.

Thank you for reminding me of those, I'll reply when I get home tonight. If I'm still alive I know I will be though, nobody would kill lovable old me

Well she survived the night but she has not made another post since this one, not even to make a dick joke. :P But to be honest, she is not the only person who is missing. Lots of players aren't talking at the moment, and silence is not going to help us get on the right track to nabbing a baddie.

Thanks for the clarification, Lizzy. We can rule out nefarious motives for that information being given to us, then.