The Syndicate

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Clean as a Vestal...

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We don't want everyone to get jealous of our tans.

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Ebwop: in honolulu

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<--- This is how I feel right now. But I will console myself since I have hot cocoa and a group of beautiful virgins waiting on me, while Electra doesn't.

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Chronos wrote:I think we have a solid suspicious people list:

-Helios
-Mars
-Phoenix
-Pluto

My list is maybe more like:

Phoenix
Electra
Pluto
Helios

With that said I am:

Voting Pluto

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Electra wrote:I am mystified that the shrouded one has gone eight entire Days evading any form of meaningful scrutiny. Impressive.

About half of Vesta's 76 posts are fluff (entertaining fluff, but fluff still).

Day 1: Hermes
Day 2: Artemis
Day 3: Artemis
Day 4: Missed
Day 5: Phoenix
Day 6: Phoenix
Day 7: Missed

A terrible week, wouldn't you say?

Poor perception as well, at times:

Vesta wrote: Very useful. 7 Wisconsin voters, one now dead, leaving 6 Wisconsin voters. Therefore it is no longer 1 in 7 odds. For each of us Wissies we know our own roles, so 1 in 5 odds. Of those on the list, Electra is not eligible for a vote today, leaving 4 options for today.
My options would be:

Persephone
Apollo
Athena
Prometheus

Irregardless of the Wisconsin vote, Prometheus stood out to me for his Day 1 defense of it doesn't matter who dies. However, since Hermes flipped civ that gives me pause. Persephone made a good point about Athena vs. Artemis switching focus away from Wisconsin voters. Of the 4 listed, I personally have the most suspicions of Athena and Prom-boy. My vote will be going to one of these two depending on what happens in thread.

This could all be a huge waste of time though if Hinzelman really is Electra.
With no Day 1 Electra vote, how could Hinzlemann have made an attempt on Night 1?

Oh wait- Vesta figured out this principle the same day:

Vesta wrote: Athena could not be Hinzelman if she didn't vote, but have any of his kills gone through?
Indeed, much of Vesta's focus seems to be on tracking down Hinzlemann. Even after Hercules was lynched, there still seems to be a focus on the serial killer. And Vesta still spoke as though I could be it.

Vesta wrote:For possible last new gods I can't decide if a Herc teammate would vote to save or throw him to the wolves. If they had already lost a teammate than it might be worth it to try and save him, which makes me look at Phoenix's vote particularly because he tied in with Zeus. However if they gave up on him then Ceres or Zeus as the last Herc voters might be possible. Chronos and Mars are other options if they wanted to stop the tide against Herc, but I think that is less likely. Since Zeus was an early suspecter of Herc, it's more likely that Phoenix is the possible candidate for the last new god.

At quick count looks like Electra, Helios, and Poseidon missed the last vote.
(Herc too, but we know who he turned out to be )
Haven't heard anything from Electra really, have we? She was also a Wisconsin voter if I remember, but that option may have not done anything for Hinzie if WJ is right. If not, then highly possible as an inactive spook too. As of right now I am voting Electra as place holder since we can change votes.

I want to look at low posters next as well.

Votes Electra
Another thing that bothers me in retrospect:

Vesta wrote:
Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote: I have a hard time believing that Eros has no candidates. I find I suspect everyone first, then slowly start trusting others, so my list is rather long, but not conclusive at this point, which is really the problem. Who to pick?
In other words, Vesta, you and I are at the same stage.

Now knowing who Eros was, he clearly had people he trusted.

Going to post this now to give people time to reflect on what it could mean.

This is quite the way to come out strong with a big no u. Applause dearie. Because I was one to suspect you the most, you've made a great effort at a "case" on me. But there's not even that much substance here for me to address honestly. I am fluffy? Yay! I like to have fun when I play mafia, because it is in fact a game (despite what some may think

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You are correct about my error on you as Hinzie as I stated here:

Vesta wrote:Alright, I am throwing out my idea that Electra is another Hinzie candidate. Rereading her 13 posts, she didnt vote Day 1, so no way she could have killed that night. Looks like Phoenix is once again the best candidate, so thats most likely where I will vote today. I thought him more likely a spook, but worth considering Electra on that front.

Helios...I'll be watchin' you too I think.

Linki - what is the case on Pluto? I feel like I missed something.

How well did you reread me? Feels like you did a nice skim job of my fluff and then pulled out a few things to make some sort of case on me.

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Helios wrote:
Chronos wrote:Why is everyone so quiet?
Now that I'm here everyone's left.

People are here now. Who do you suspect?

Also, we do have one ->

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Elvis and the lovely Ann-Margaret.

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Electra wrote:
Apollo wrote:So Electra has been immune for three out of seven day/night cycles. How fortunate for her.
How fortunate indeed.

RIP iywg ARes! WB Timer!

and Phoenix is off the poll too. How covenient. I will have to reconsider who to vote for today.

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Johnson City, Tennesseeeee!!

Also the poll question is interesting. Let's blame the states! They are the real baddies!

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Just looked at the poll. With a tie should have been pluto or phoenix, so a lynch switch? Shenanigans for sure!

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Arrhh! Too late! Wait Eros? What happened today?

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Eros wrote:
Apollo wrote:Eros, who do you think is more likely to be bad, Mars or Pluto?
I do not think your case on Phoenix is compelling. Searching for Hinzelmann requires proper diligence. Your weak case makes one wonder what side you're on. Continuing to go after Hinzelmann when there is thread evidence condemning those who have teammates gets me to consider that you might have been deceiving us after all.

Apollo wrote: If I were Hinzelmann, I would be killing like crazy. The reason I brought up Hinzelmann a lot is that I thought I had the most empirical evidence on him, as I mentioned before.
I'm not sure I believe this. I would love to explain why if you are interested.

Do you not think the vote evidence relevant to find Hinzlemann? We know he had to to have voted Day 1 and Day 6 (unless he recruited) He could only self-protect 1 day in a row, so he either missed votes or missed PMs in between likely a bit of both. What other candidates are there at this point besides Phoenix? Who else missed votes Day 2 and/or 3?

How is there more thread evidence for teams than Hinzie? Lots of questions from your statements here.

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Alright, I am throwing out my idea that Electra is another Hinzie candidate. Rereading her 13 posts, she didnt vote Day 1, so no way she could have killed that night. Looks like Phoenix is once again the best candidate, so thats most likely where I will vote today. I thought him more likely a spook, but worth considering Electra on that front.

Helios...I'll be watchin' you too I think.

Linki - what is the case on Pluto? I feel like I missed something.

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RIP iywg Meds - Timer. You seemed civv to me. Also, Chronos voted Phoenix consistently and now he's gone, makes me wonder if it's an obvious set-up or an obvious targeting of a potential voter.

It's either Phoenix or Electra today for me. The sudden reappearance of Electra and subsequent Hinz-kill makes me go all

I still think it likely that Phoenix is a new god, but might swing Electra cause I'd rather prevent another kill first.

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Interesting result. Bye reborn Pandora. Not bad, maybe good?

Going with Spock!

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Ceres wrote:I've been busy as well. Can someone tell me what the case on Pandora is? I'm already familiar with the one on Phoenix.

Eros posted a link to the post where Pandora may have made a baddie slip.

Alright, I gave Helios a good amount of time, but no use wasting a vote. Big surprise I know, but I am going with Phoenix. I almost believe the lazy civ defense, since he has done very little of it today.

Voting Phoenix

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Phoenix wrote:correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that the "case" on Artemis is the supposed "slip" with the "lots of civs voted..." thing and then there seems to be a few circumstantial things that seem reaching a bit. Is there any actual solid evidence?

The things that Apollo said about Fortuna seems more solid than the Artemis stuff in my opinion.

Phoenix wrote:The more I read the more the case on Artemis seems like a trumped up bandwagon. I can't remember who said it, but when people call something a slip it's usually only a slip if it's blatant. Twisting english to make something a slip does not make it actually a slip.,

Phoenix wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Pandora wrote: I am not sure how you can have any suspicions of me yet.
Actually, I find that sentence itself pretty suspicious.
Everyone just wants someone to point a finger at.
That sentence is pretty suspect tbh. That seems like more of a slip than anything else I've seen in this game. It sounds like you threw that "yet" in there by accident. It could be seen as you saying, "I am bad, but I haven't done anything shady for you to call me out on as of yet."

I have been rereading Phoenix and notice that he jumps at other's cases quite often. I found it interesting that in the case on Artemis he thinks slips are unimportant, but with Pandora, now that he is being discussed as a candidate too, they are suddenly important. He acknowledges this is "more of a slip," and I agree that Pandora's statement sounds more of a slip than Artemis, but seems opportunistic and inconsistent to me. This combined with his vote for Zeus making it a tie with Herc, has me pretty suspicious of his intentions.

I am likely to vote here, since my vote for Helios didnt make him magically appear like Electra.

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Apollo wrote:
Medusa wrote: Where's Phoenix? What do we know about Phoenix?
I still think he might be Hinzelmann, but as the days go by with still no kills from him, I'm starting to wonder if he is dead after all.

I started to think the same thing about him being dead, but the only possible way is if Persephone were Hinzie and I just dont think she was, but I could be wrong. If Poseidon wasn't then I think it likely that Electra is. Phoenix is more likely a team baddie imo.

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Medusa wrote:The whole Helios thing is kind of up in the air. Is he here or not? If he's here, then he's probably vote worthy. But if he's not here, well, then a vote is a terrible thing to waste. Can anyone find him please, so I can make up my mind?

Mars is pretty well covered. Everyone has an opinion there, so moving on.

This right here. Where u at Heel? Didn't Apollo say Heli-pad voted in the night poll?

I am not understanding all of your comments on people Meds. Translating Chronos' "huh?" was a fun one! Yay Greek!

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Pandora wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Pandora wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Pandora wrote: I am not sure how you can have any suspicions of me yet.
Actually, I find that sentence itself pretty suspicious.
Everyone just wants someone to point a finger at.
That sentence is pretty suspect tbh. That seems like more of a slip than anything else I've seen in this game. It sounds like you threw that "yet" in there by accident. It could be seen as you saying, "I am bad, but I haven't done anything shady for you to call me out on as of yet."

The "yet" was intentional but I did not mean it how you interpreted it. I meant...
The old Pandora said basically nothing. I am the new Pandora and haven't even been here a full day. Day one lynch, many people talk about how there is not much to go on yet and some people end up randomizing their vote because of it. Well, this is my Day 1. When looking at Pandora, no one should have anything to go on yet. Again, yet, b/c this is like my Day 1. I'm sure that is why I am not even allowed to be voted for.

I do actually find this interesting in hindsight. Not for the same reasons however. Phoenix jumps on Apollo's yet theory pretty quick there. Especially after Apollo made that Hinzie case on him. This does not take away my concerns on Phoenix. My vote on Helios has not had the magical effect on his appearance that I had hoped, but I'll give him some more time.

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Since my vote for Electra was so successful at reincarnating her, I am going to place my vote on Helios and see if he magically appears too.

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Aphrodite wrote:first off there is no way all of WZ`s statements are true. Impossible and eyes on those claiming such.

I have done some vote analyzing as well the difference between mine and others is that mine are right and I name names not just say so and so was lynched what can you learn from that.

I will be doing one at a time while can I am at work

first up Apollo

Linky Vesta orly?

Yeah, really.

I don't know which part of my statements this refers to though.

At least some of WJ's statements are probably true. The truth of them has been debated a lot, but there is no reason to dismiss them either. If some of this information is true, then it is valuable. I don't see a problem with that and stated I am taking it as fact for now because it's what we have to work with.

Your analysis of individuals is helpful, but no need to dismiss others. While we may all be gods, none of us is infallible. I look forward to more summaries.

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Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote:
Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote:For possible last new gods I can't decide if a Herc teammate would vote to save or throw him to the wolves. If they had already lost a teammate than it might be worth it to try and save him, which makes me look at Phoenix's vote particularly because he tied in with Zeus. However if they gave up on him then Ceres or Zeus as the last Herc voters might be possible. Chronos and Mars are other options if they wanted to stop the tide against Herc, but I think that is less likely. Since Zeus was an early suspecter of Herc, it's more likely that Phoenix is the possible candidate for the last new god.

At quick count looks like Electra, Helios, and Poseidon missed the last vote.
(Herc too, but we know who he turned out to be )
Haven't heard anything from Electra really, have we? She was also a Wisconsin voter if I remember, but that option may have not done anything for Hinzie if WJ is right. If not, then highly possible as an inactive spook too. As of right now I am voting Electra as place holder since we can change votes.

I want to look at low posters next as well.

Votes Electra
It would seem you left out Pandora. Any reason why?
You may have tiny eyes along with the rest of your tiny features, but if you look at the poll, Pandora wasn't listed, so she got skipped when I counted the players who hadn't voted. Add her to the list fly-boy.
Any other criticisms you'd like to make or do you have something constructive to add yourself?
It wasn't a criticism. It was an observation followed by a question.

Where's your sister, Cummerbunda?

Is this meant to be as obscure a reference as wikipedia tells me? If so, da-yum, nobody be gettin' your jokes yo'.

'The Cummerbund' is also a nonsense poem by Edward Lear, fully titled 'The Cummerbund, a poem from India', where it refers to the cummerbund as a ferocious woman-eating beast.

Observation-Criticism, Tomayto-Tomahto. Don't want to grow up to become these guys

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Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote:For possible last new gods I can't decide if a Herc teammate would vote to save or throw him to the wolves. If they had already lost a teammate than it might be worth it to try and save him, which makes me look at Phoenix's vote particularly because he tied in with Zeus. However if they gave up on him then Ceres or Zeus as the last Herc voters might be possible. Chronos and Mars are other options if they wanted to stop the tide against Herc, but I think that is less likely. Since Zeus was an early suspecter of Herc, it's more likely that Phoenix is the possible candidate for the last new god.

At quick count looks like Electra, Helios, and Poseidon missed the last vote.
(Herc too, but we know who he turned out to be )
Haven't heard anything from Electra really, have we? She was also a Wisconsin voter if I remember, but that option may have not done anything for Hinzie if WJ is right. If not, then highly possible as an inactive spook too. As of right now I am voting Electra as place holder since we can change votes.

I want to look at low posters next as well.

Votes Electra
It would seem you left out Pandora. Any reason why?

You may have tiny eyes along with the rest of your tiny features, but if you look at the poll, Pandora wasn't listed, so she got skipped when I counted the players who hadn't voted. Add her to the list fly-boy.
Any other criticisms you'd like to make or do you have something constructive to add yourself?

WB Electra! It turns out our hosts are magic. I also think it is suspicious there is not a briefcase full of money in my house and will vote for that option unless it appears.

Apollo's summary was accurate. A good reminder of a few things I had forgotten as well.

Paul Stevens

Eros wrote:Also, thanks for nothing Czernobog. I'm sure you'll be after me next. Don't know what you were thinking.

Unless you were recruited.

S~V~S wrote:

Words of Wisdom From Wisakedjak
[center]There is a recruiter role in the game
There is at least one dead baddie
The civvie protector has protected noone[/center]

Oh, missed this comment. Yikes! Let's hope not. Wouldnt it be unbalanced to give one baddie team a recruiter, but not the other? My guess would be the recruiter is an indy. Considering we don't know their win conditions I don't know how to feel about this.

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For possible last new gods I can't decide if a Herc teammate would vote to save or throw him to the wolves. If they had already lost a teammate than it might be worth it to try and save him, which makes me look at Phoenix's vote particularly because he tied in with Zeus. However if they gave up on him then Ceres or Zeus as the last Herc voters might be possible. Chronos and Mars are other options if they wanted to stop the tide against Herc, but I think that is less likely. Since Zeus was an early suspecter of Herc, it's more likely that Phoenix is the possible candidate for the last new god.

At quick count looks like Electra, Helios, and Poseidon missed the last vote.
(Herc too, but we know who he turned out to be

)
Haven't heard anything from Electra really, have we? She was also a Wisconsin voter if I remember, but that option may have not done anything for Hinzie if WJ is right. If not, then highly possible as an inactive spook too. As of right now I am voting Electra as place holder since we can change votes.

I want to look at low posters next as well.

Votes Electra

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Glad to see Czernobog is amongst us! Although, Eros still feels Poseidon was civv, so not sure there. I am thinking that Hinzie is either dead or a player who is completely inactive. Interesting night post as well. I am mostly taking WJ's word as gospel for now, so it appears that someone NK'd or lynched was a new god baddie. If the spookshow is entirely intact this makes me think we definitely are looking for inactive players. Especially considering they didn't kill last night. Who missed the vote the previous day? Going for low posters is hard when they is little or no evidence, but at this point it's time.

8am-2pm EST is good for me on Saturday.

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Medusa wrote:Vesta, you didn't have time to explain your Phoenix vote earlier. Can you give your reasons now?

Based on earlier suspision of him being a possible Hinzie. I was out during the Hercules discussion, although looking back I hadnt really felt suspicious of him, so not sure I would have voted him anyway. probably still Phoenix because of stronger evidence.

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Also, voting Hole n the Rock cause it looks to be the most interesting and Utah is Ahmazing!

Thanks to all who looked past Herc's godly abs and stopped his virgin and baby killing ways! Man that guy sounds evil in the night post.

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Great result! I completely missed the case on Hercules, but just caught up now on what I missed today. Finally something to go on now for hunting a baddie team.

Could someone type out the voting order? I cant click on the polls. TIA.

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Voting Pheonix. No time now to explain more.

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Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote:
Apollo wrote:Eros, I agree with you that finding the baddie teams would be preferable to finding Hinzelmann, but the reason I have been focusing on him is that I feel I have hard evidence to point me in his direction in the form of missed votes. I am much less certain where to look for the other baddies, so I thought I would try to kill him first and then worry about them. If you have ideas on who the baddie teams may be, I would love to hear them. I have never let go of my suspicion of Athena, since for a long time she seemed more interested in the nights than the days, so I am glad to see you looking in that direction as well.
It's true, it feels easier to pinpoint Hinzie than a baddie team, especially since we havent lynched one yet that we know of. Of course it would be better to chip away at a team and hopefully gain more leads. That said Hinzelmann can only self-protect once, so doesnt it have to be someone who voted Day 1, but missed either Day 2 and/or Day 3? Or they skipped a kill as some have said.
See, this I don't get.

Teams work together. A serial killer is basically a blind civilian with a kill. I'd much rather be on a bad team than LMS.

What don't you get? Because of the votes and Night powers and lack of kills it seems easier to pinpoint Hinzlemann. Do you disagree? When you say "on a bad team," do you mean "on the trail of"? If we had a strong lead than yes lets go for it. I do not think Athena can be Hinzelmann for example based on the evidence, but I am only suspicious of her and dont have much more to go on atm.

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Apollo wrote:Eros, I agree with you that finding the baddie teams would be preferable to finding Hinzelmann, but the reason I have been focusing on him is that I feel I have hard evidence to point me in his direction in the form of missed votes. I am much less certain where to look for the other baddies, so I thought I would try to kill him first and then worry about them. If you have ideas on who the baddie teams may be, I would love to hear them. I have never let go of my suspicion of Athena, since for a long time she seemed more interested in the nights than the days, so I am glad to see you looking in that direction as well.

It's true, it feels easier to pinpoint Hinzie than a baddie team, especially since we havent lynched one yet that we know of. Of course it would be better to chip away at a team and hopefully gain more leads. That said Hinzelmann can only self-protect once, so doesnt it have to be someone who voted Day 1, but missed either Day 2 and/or Day 3? Or they skipped a kill as some have said.

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Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote:
Eros wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Eros wrote:Apollo, if Athena were not on the poll, who would you vote for?

(Forgive my impetuousness- I don't want to see anymore hot women turned into trees)
I'm leaning towards Phoenix at this point, because I think he has a good shot of being Hinzelmann. As far as members of the baddie teams, Mars has been worrying me a bit, but that's more of a vibe than anything else.
What are your thoughts on:

1. Aphrodite - A hot mess.
2. Pandora - If she keeps her box in a box, we're good.
3. Vesta - Can't touch this!

What are your thoughts?
Thank you for answering for Apollo, but I was asking him, not his secretary.

No you din'nt. Bitch please.

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Eros wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Eros wrote:Apollo, if Athena were not on the poll, who would you vote for?

(Forgive my impetuousness- I don't want to see anymore hot women turned into trees)
I'm leaning towards Phoenix at this point, because I think he has a good shot of being Hinzelmann. As far as members of the baddie teams, Mars has been worrying me a bit, but that's more of a vibe than anything else.
What are your thoughts on:

1. Aphrodite - A hot mess.
2. Pandora - If she keeps her box in a box, we're good.
3. Vesta - Can't touch this!

What are your thoughts?

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juliets wrote:
Vesta wrote:
Apollo wrote:Wisakedjak is not one of the roles, so I expect that info comes from the hosts. For now, I am going to assume that it is accurate. I don't understand the google reference though.
Oh really?

Whiskey Jack: Wisakedjak is wise, and can help you got where you want to go. Each night the host tells him things~ he may then choose to tell the thread, or to send a message through the hosts. He is immune to the Actions of the New Gods.
Mayhaps the lovely hosts could clarify. Is what they tell WJ true?

I knew that response looked familiar!

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Apollo wrote:Sorry for the triple post, but it also occurs to me that Hinzelmann has no role picture, meaning he failed to submit one, further bolstering my claim that we are looking for a mostly inactive player.

This is a useful point. Interesting to see several missing pictures in the roles. Might explain why no one has been rezzed by Eostre. Also no civv kills by czernobog! So there hasnt been a lot of Nks really to choose from.

How come Poseidon did not make your list of suspects Apollo? Did he miss Day 1 voting? The night post didnt say who was targeting Poseidon and I imagine that was on purpose. Considering Apollo's theory on Poseidon as SK and Eros defense of him as civv I would assume he was a good candidate for the New Gods either way. Also, much less likely they lost their kill as a team. If Hinzelmann missed votes is it possible he is missing Pms as well? It seems odd not to have tried to kill more than once.

Granted wasnt this how SVS was suspected in Homestar? She replaced in and then skipped killing for a bit to try to throw people off. It could very well be that someone is self-protecting as well, but I agree it seems odd that an SK would skip chances to kill.

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Pluto wrote:
Vesta wrote:
Pluto wrote:Perhaps we ended up lynching Communication that night then? Because he's the one who I would guess fulfills that role.

Communication: Can wear the guise of another player *secret*

So perhaps on the night Mr. Ibis died, that means that Communication died. Which would make that part of Wisakedjak's note true. Because otherwise I don't see another way my name is removed from the poll.

Linki from leaving this page open too long.
Do we believe everything WJ tells us is true, false, or a mix? Previous information he provided is contrary to your theory on Prometheus. If everything he tells us is true, then it would have to be someone else. if not then

Words of Wisdom From Wisakedjak
[center]No one benefitted from the choice of Wisconsin
Prometheus was definitely who he appeared to be
One of the baddie teams has a rezz[/center]
Not sure. I would assume it's a mix however. Do you see another possibility as to how my name is off the poll though? Because that's the only explanation I can see. Outside of secrets of course.

But that would be a secret too. However, you're right i see no explanantion for it otherwise. Has anyone been removed from the poll before? Maybe a replaced civ who is now active? Is it possible there is an error with the poll since is also an option? Our hostesses are wonderful and amazing, but maybe some gods are playing tricksess? This was a lot of questions, but there you have it.

If we believe WJ that a baddie is dead, then I am inclined to take everything at face value, which means that it was not Prometheus.

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Pluto wrote:Perhaps we ended up lynching Communication that night then? Because he's the one who I would guess fulfills that role.

Communication: Can wear the guise of another player *secret*

So perhaps on the night Mr. Ibis died, that means that Communication died. Which would make that part of Wisakedjak's note true. Because otherwise I don't see another way my name is removed from the poll.

Linki from leaving this page open too long.

Do we believe everything WJ tells us is true, false, or a mix? Previous information he provided is contrary to your theory on Prometheus. If everything he tells us is true, then it would have to be someone else. if not then

Words of Wisdom From Wisakedjak
[center]No one benefitted from the choice of Wisconsin
Prometheus was definitely who he appeared to be
One of the baddie teams has a rezz[/center]

Paul Stevens

Kentucky!

Fortuna was not who I expected, which means Eros is back to being a mystery, but since he was right on her civvnes I am willing to give him botd for now. I agree that doesnt mean he should direct the voting and I dont think he is claiming that either. More that he really thinks we shouldnt have voted for Fortuna or Poseidon now.

Paul Stevens

Ugh, apologies to all for missing the vote. i should have voted earlier, but thought I would make ot home in time.

I would not have voted Fortuna, but she was not who I thought either. Interesting thoughts on Hercules and good to see discusssion and response from Athena. Wasnt totally convinced me shes not bad though. I would like to hear from Poseidon before the next lynch vote too. Stop chasing Ariel Poseidon! She's in love with a Mortal!

Paul Stevens

I would like to hear more for the less active players before the lynch if possible. For those who replaced in any insights from reading?

As of right now Athena and Poseidon are the two I am considering. Athena, while I dont think can be Hinzelmann did very quickly steer attention to Artemis and away from herself. Apollo has made a reasonable case that Poseidon in Hinzelmann. I see another explNation for him being civ if Eros is right, but its hard to know at this point.

Paul Stevens

Eros wrote:
Vesta wrote: I have a hard time believing that Eros has no candidates. I find I suspect everyone first, then slowly start trusting others, so my list is rather long, but not conclusive at this point, which is really the problem. Who to pick?
In other words, Vesta, you and I are at the same stage.

Paul Stevens

Interesting discussion this evening. I had forgotten the no self-protect double-targeting for Hinzlemann. It could help narrow the field, but someone could also have missed a PM. Are there any others that fit the criteria here?

Eros seems quite certain of Fortuna and Poseidon and Zeus seems certain of Athena. I can't reconcile this quite, but there are some obvious explanations and some secrets.

I have a hard time believing that Eros has no candidates. I find I suspect everyone first, then slowly start trusting others, so my list is rather long, but not conclusive at this point, which is really the problem. Who to pick?

Paul Stevens

Pluto wrote:So the suspicion of Aphrodite is her missing a bunch of day votes, but always voting in the night polls without posting.

With Athena, is it still mostly because of her vs. Artemis or is there new info I've missed since then.

I can see how Poseidon could be Hinzelmann, but I'm not convinced yet. I would much prefer to hear more from Poseidon before I look more in that direction.

Eros seems very unsure of himself now, from what I can gleam.

Is that right so far or am I missing something?

The Athena suspicion began because she accused Artemis of a slip on the Wisconsin voters as lots of civs. Since Athena herself was a Wisconsin voter it seemed like she was trying to distract away from Wisconsin voters in general. I think at this point it is pretty clear Athena cannot be Hinzelmann. I have no idea about her status as civv, Indy, or other baddie.

I am a bit confused how Poseidon could be the only Hinzelmann candidate Apollo sees. Since Hinz. can self-protect couldn't he also be doing that instead of killing? Wouldn't that leave everyone who voted Day 1 a candidate?

Paul Stevens

RIP Persephone! I thought you civv as well.

Glad to see a new Aphrodite after she said I should lighten up. The nerve. You can have all the man-candy you want don't worry. I am as sexist as anyone and just looking for lady Vestals. It's all these gods I am worried about. Oh, and Elvis.

Paul Stevens

He is certainly coming across as quite certain about her. Is there a role checker? I don't remember seeing one.

Oh and voted Ohio, because it leads to so many more states!

Paul Stevens

RIP Artemis! Wow, craziness is happening it seems. Aphrodite voted, but didn't post? I would think the timing is she just missed the lynch, but strange not to hear from her.

I don't see how Eros could be Fortuna's baddie teammate and defend her so much, even possibly saving her? However, what was the end vote? Ceres and Ares (lol) don't say who they voted for, but I assume Fortuna? If he actually knew she was a baddie we would just lynch him next most likely. This is not to say she isn't a baddie, because her defense has not been stellar.

Apollo wrote:
Zeus wrote:I understand the case on Artemis but what is the case on Fortuna? If anyone could quickly explain...
I can't speak for others, but here are my reasons for thinking she might be Hinzelmann.

1) She has contributed little, agreeing with others but adding nothing. Blendy.
2) She refuses to defend herself at all
3) She voted Wisconsin, which is likely where Hinzelmann would have voted.
4) She voted on Day 1 for Atlas because he voted for her. Hinzelmann killed Atlas on Night 1.
5. She didn't vote on Day 2, Hinzelmann didn't kill on Night 2.

This is the case Apollo made, but these reasons are honestly slipping away a bit.

Paul Stevens

Sticking with Arte on this one.

Votes Artemis

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