The Syndicate

Rachel Green

I've always wanted an appropriate time to use that lol.

Rachel Green

Going with Virginia. Lots of neat historical sites there.

Rachel Green

Wait, I'm still alive?! Yay!!!!! Also, another excellent result in that we have another confirmed baddie down. BIH Vesta!

Chronos, I'll comment on it tomorrow. Right now I'm very tired and my brain is a bit addled.

Aphrodite wrote:Every time Pluto is up for lynch someone else dies although this time with some kick ass results!
BIH Mr Town

When else have I been up or come close to being lynched? Because this is the first time in this game I remember it happening.

Rachel Green

Voting for Mars now. Hopefully some others are willing to come vote him and save me.

I doubt I will live through this lynch and I'm on my phone so I'll make this quick. Look at the people who latched onto my case initially for weak or no reasons. I am sure you will find some baddies in there. Sucks that we lost a powerful civvie in me probably but good luck to the rest of the civs! It was a very fun game!

Rachel Green

Chronos wrote:Pluto, do you have any other suspicions but Pheonix?

I would be willing to look at either Mars or Zeus today as well. Mars has been discussed plenty as it is, so I don't have much to add to him. I feel like Zeus was a bit too eager to latch onto the case against me. And I believe he even did so before Eros did. I questioned him about it but the most I remember him saying is that he'd want to get no more than himself and two other people to vote for me, which I thought was somewhat odd. But out of everyone who has voted or expressed interest in voting for me, I feel like he gave the weakest reason for going after me.

Rachel Green

Apollo wrote:
Pluto wrote:In fact, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote on Phoenix for now because I feel confident enough about him. I may change it later if something comes up to change my mind, but I feel that's one less baddie we could be dealing with.
Good luck with that.

Hmmmmm....so much for that one then.

Back to figuring out someone else to vote for today.

Rachel Green

As for Elvis, this has been a favorite of mine for awhile.

Rachel Green

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote on Phoenix for now because I feel confident enough about him. I may change it later if something comes up to change my mind, but I feel that's one less baddie we could be dealing with.

Rachel Green

RIPIYWG Ares. WBIYAG Chronos.

Aphrodite wrote:
Pluto wrote:Had absolutely no time to check in and vote at all today. Really sorry about that. RIP Eros. I'm sorry I doubted you at times. Probably would have voted Phoenix again today.

I would like to hear more from those who voted for me about why I'm so suspicious? Because either there isn't much of a case on me or I missed something somewhere. Quotes would be nice as well.
Did you read the discussion during this past lynch? If yes then you already know why people voted for you. If not start by reading Eros case about you. There were several made inre to you. Very compelling stuff imo.

I had to go back and re-read it. The only part I remembered was Eros saying he thought it was suspicious that I "doubted" him. This is the rest of what I could find.

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote: I've doubted you because you've made me go back and forth on you several times this game. And when you say you've "demonstrated your goodness", what are you referring to?
Back and forth, you say?

The only people you have helped lynch have been civilians. Naughty, naughty.

Yes, my voting record has been incredibly poor. I don't see how a terrible voting record alone is enough to make me a baddie. I've been an (at times) very confused civvie in this game. But I feel more certain now. And speaking of which...

Eros wrote:I also want to point out that on Day 6, Pluto voted for Phoenix sixth, after Pandora had three votes, and then it got tied up. Pandora's teammate hoping for a save? Entirely possible.

Not a save. I was unsure about Pandora (still am) and far more sure about Phoenix (still am). Pandora was at least willing to defend against her accusations. Phoenix has completely brushed them off with statements like "I am a civvie." Deflecting accusations instead of addressing them is the mark of a baddie to me.

Rachel Green

Had absolutely no time to check in and vote at all today. Really sorry about that. RIP Eros.

I'm sorry I doubted you at times. Probably would have voted Phoenix again today.

I would like to hear more from those who voted for me about why I'm so suspicious? Because either there isn't much of a case on me or I missed something somewhere. Quotes would be nice as well.

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:RIP Medusa and Chronos. I wasn't 100% sure on either of you. I was leaning civvie on Medusa and have no idea on Chronos.

Aphrodite, why do you think Eros has never been suspicious of Apollo? Because I was under the impression that Eros was initially early on in the game.
I wouldn't mind a Pluto lynch.

Pluto wrote:Glad to see Eros has given plenty of thought and time into his early vote. I might have to re-read him today. Because he's starting to give me the willies at times.

I don't seem to be on the poll today. So thank you Mr. Ibis for that!
I've demonstrated my goodness, and you doubted it.

I've doubted you because you've made me go back and forth on you several times this game. And when you say you've "demonstrated your goodness", what are you referring to?

Rachel Green

RIP Medusa and Chronos. I wasn't 100% sure on either of you. I was leaning civvie on Medusa and have no idea on Chronos.

Aphrodite, why do you think Eros has never been suspicious of Apollo? Because I was under the impression that Eros was initially early on in the game.

Rachel Green

Hmmmm....not a civvie lynch, but not a baddie either. Not the optimal result, but as long as it isn't a civvie, I can live with it.

One of my favorite BBT scenes ever. Paper disproving Spock was the funniest the first time I saw it, so I'm going with paper.

Rachel Green

Unfortunately I have to go ahead and vote now. I won't be around later to do so. I was hoping to hear more from him than just "I'm a civvie everyone!", and I would prefer to give him a bit more time. But I won't have time to vote later. So for today, Phoenix it is.

Linki: Zeus, I had to vote quickly because I wouldn't have had any more time the rest of the day to vote. Would my vote have been different had I been able to wait? Sure, it's entirely possible. But I wasn't doing it just to have a "quick in and out" because of it.

Rachel Green

And yet several people have been pulling quotes from you and giving reasons why they are looking at you. Couldn't you at least defend yourself against a few of them? Because just stating "I'm a civvie" when under the crosshairs does not make me think highly of you.

Rachel Green

Medusa wrote:Pluto, who are you suspicious of? Besides who you just said? I'm not sure if I trust you, but I'm not sure if I don't.

Well if I was suspicious of anyone else at the time, I probably would have mentioned more names. That's usually how that works. :P

But no, those 3 are my main focus right now.

Rachel Green

Aphrodite seems awfully quick to jump at Apollo for discussing the 'yet' thing from Pandora and then not voting that way. I can understand why Apollo didn't vote for Pandora in that situation though.

I think right now, I'm leaning toward either Aphrodite, Phoenix, or Mars for today's vote. Phoenix because of him jumping on Apollo's theory/case and I've had bad vibes from him most of the game. Mars because he seems to have very shoddy reasons for any of his votes.

Rachel Green

I hope Czerno's judgement was right there. While inactive players often annoy me, I know Eros felt Poseidon was civ. So not sure what to think about it overall other than hope for the best. And I agree on looking at some more inactive players. We also have Herc to go off of today as well.

Best time for me Saturday would be anytime after 3:30-4 in the afternoon. I'll be busy earlier in the day.

Rachel Green

Excellent result everyone! Glad those who voted for Hercules saw something there and went with it. So commendations to all of you!

Chronos wrote:^_^ yay

*votes enchanted high way because it reminds me of rainbow road*

I was going to mention this as my reasoning too.

Rachel Green

Sorry, but I have to go ahead and vote now. I'll be gone for most of the day and probably won't be back until after the lynch is over. I'm going to go with Zeus for now because I can't tell if he's being serious or not about his "plan". But something about it smells really bad to me.

Rachel Green

I think it makes perfect sense for Hinzelmann to skip a kill or two and try to throw us off his scent. But to have missed this many kills makes me think he's among the less active players.

As for Czerno, I'm more inclined to believe/hope that whoever he/she is would hold off on killing someone unless he/she had a very good reason to do so. IMO the only thing worse than an inactive civ ninja is a trigger-happy one.

Rachel Green

Vesta wrote:
Pluto wrote:Perhaps we ended up lynching Communication that night then? Because he's the one who I would guess fulfills that role.

Communication: Can wear the guise of another player *secret*

So perhaps on the night Mr. Ibis died, that means that Communication died. Which would make that part of Wisakedjak's note true. Because otherwise I don't see another way my name is removed from the poll.

Linki from leaving this page open too long.
Do we believe everything WJ tells us is true, false, or a mix? Previous information he provided is contrary to your theory on Prometheus. If everything he tells us is true, then it would have to be someone else. if not then

Words of Wisdom From Wisakedjak
[center]No one benefitted from the choice of Wisconsin
Prometheus was definitely who he appeared to be
One of the baddie teams has a rezz[/center]

Not sure. I would assume it's a mix however. Do you see another possibility as to how my name is off the poll though? Because that's the only explanation I can see. Outside of secrets of course.

Rachel Green

Perhaps we ended up lynching Communication that night then? Because he's the one who I would guess fulfills that role.

Communication: Can wear the guise of another player *secret*

So perhaps on the night Mr. Ibis died, that means that Communication died. Which would make that part of Wisakedjak's note true. Because otherwise I don't see another way my name is removed from the poll.

Linki from leaving this page open too long.

Rachel Green

Glad to see Eros has given plenty of thought and time into his early vote. I might have to re-read him today. Because he's starting to give me the willies at times.

I don't seem to be on the poll today. So thank you Mr. Ibis for that!

Rachel Green

Going with Kentucky. As they say: fast horses, good whiskey.

Rachel Green

Son of a....not again. RIP Fortuna.

Rachel Green

S~V~S wrote:No, they really freaking aren't

Post coming up shortly

Feel free to send some of them to Tartarus. That'll teach them a lesson!

Rachel Green

Wow. Half the players missed the vote? I don't expect the hostesses to be very pleased with that one...

Rachel Green

I also realized how ironic that is. Me talking about someone else being "hot stuff". I literally sit around in it every day!

I think I've decided on my vote. Weighing the pros and cons, I feel a bit more confident about Fortuna than I do about Hercules right now. I feel like I need to give my thoughts on him a bit more time to sink in. So while I will certainly be looking at him later on (unless he does something to change my mind of course), I think there is a stronger case and I have a stronger gut feeling about Fortuna.

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:Feels like a Mexican standoff, doesn't it?

Except I can just cause an orgy.

I might be for this. Depends on if you're a part of it, hot stuff.

Rachel Green

Hercules wrote:There's less than an hour to go. Boatload or no, that's not much time.

If you were unable to stick around, I could understand that. But to vote hastily like that, and then continue to post? Why not see how the lynch starts to shape out a bit more?

I went back and read through your posts. Didn't take too long since I skimmed most of the insanified ones. I feel like you've been fairly absent because of RL for sure, but I also feel like most of your posts are more about you trying to post. And often times not saying all that much. Maybe you said more in some of your insanified posts, but I had a hard time understanding most of them.

I think my vote will come down between you, Fortuna, and Athena. Although Athena is becoming a bit less likely.

Linki: Yes. But then that was immediately followed with this:

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Eros wrote:I am here willing to talk if anyone else would like to do that.
Who are you currently looking at casting a vote for today? And why?
Therein lies my problem, Diablo. I don't know.
Are you suspicious of anyone or looking at anyone at least? Or are you fairly lost at this point?
Beg your pardon, but are your own leads so dead that you must worry about mine when I have said I don't know?

So you'll forgive me if I view it as a bit more than you just saying "I don't know".

If you think I'm a rotten apple, then that is your opinion for now. So think it all you want.

More linki

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote: My statement about Fortuna wasn't even about you. It was about why I would be considering a vote for Fortuna. You seem awfully quick to jump down my throat about most of the statements I've been making lately.
Is that so?

You and I have had three exchanges.

If two of these three things:

1) Calling you Dr. Phil,
2) Requesting that you form your own opinions when you asked me to "throw out a few names," or
3) Being humorous by stating the obvious

are "jumping down [your] throat," then I suppose your statement is correct.

I used that phrase because I feel like you've had a smartass attitude with me. This might make me sound like a grouchy old man, but I like to try and treat other players with respect. And I expect others to do the same. What you did was cock an attitude and try to avoid answering my questions.

Now that being said, I also believe that (in most cases), people should be allowed to play the way they wish, with the style they wish. But I do feel you've been very aggressive towards me with your attitude. And avoiding my questions initially doesn't make me feel very good about you either.

Or maybe I'm just misreading you entirely. Which is always possible. But that's currently how I feel about you.

Rachel Green

Fortuna wrote:
Laura wrote:Baddies defend civvies all the time. Baddies even defend other baddies sometimes. Since the possibility of a seemer role coming up, I can't help but wonder if that's what you're setting up.

I find Fortuna the most suspicious. In addition to what's been said recently, I noticed this in one of her posts (http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 248#p39248):

Fortuna wrote:
Medusa wrote:Fortuna, if you are suspicious of me, I hope you will make a case on me. You, not your teammates.
First of all, I was unaware any civvies had teammates. I want a teammate! Second, this post below is what made me put my eye on you.]
This sounds too much like she's trying to sound like a civvie. And, actually, the civvies are a team. And, in fact, there are 3 civs who have BTSC, if that's what she meant.

This is also the post right after the one where she suddenly realizes that she had the most votes in the last lynch and had apparently been saved. You'd think that after seeing that, she'd go to the roles to see who might have saved her. And it happens that the lynch switch and lynch save belong to the civvie group with BTSC.

All of this just isn't adding up for me.

And I'm not really seeing the suspicion of Athena. And Apollo's case that Poseiden could be Hinzelman based on being MIA is too circumstantial for my taste.
I did mean BTSC. And, you are right, I could have gone to the roles to try to figure out how I was saved from the lynch after I found out. But, I didn't. I had so much going on at the time. With my job I'm usually crazy busy a few days out of the week. Anyway, I know you don't like the whole "I'm civvie" defense, but I don't know how to prove it to you.

linki with Medusa

For me, the best way to prove it is to discuss how you feel about other people playing the game. Getting as many thoughts out there as possible from as many people as possible gives us more information. Had you explained earlier that you were often busy and offered up something other than "I'm a civvie. See? Others are saying the same thing!", then I would be more inclined to believe you. Alas, at this point, I feel like you're trying to throw this out as a last-minute defense.

@Aphrodite: I completely forgot about Hercules. Especially with his Prometheus vote and still unexplained, insanified vote. I'm thinking he might be someone else good to examine for a vote. I'll try and read up on him quickly.

Linki: So Hercules votes for Fortuna to "protect himself", even though we still have a boatload of votes left to come in?

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote: As for Fortuna, all of the "Since X is defending me, that means they are civvie" posts do not sit well with me. At all.
You know, you're absolutely right.

I could be a rotten apple defending a good apple so that, in the case of my lynch, I take down the good apple in my wake.
Or, in the case of the good apple's lynch, it validates what I had been saying all along. Anyone ever consider that possibility?

I am often accused of knowing nothing of strategy, but honey, love is a battlefield.

Baddies can defend civvies. I've seen it happen before. I've also seen baddies cleverly avoid managing to get lynched after taking civvies down. Nothing is impossible in mafia.

My statement about Fortuna wasn't even about you. It was about why I would be considering a vote for Fortuna. You seem awfully quick to jump down my throat about most of the statements I've been making lately.

Rachel Green

I think right now I'm in between Athena and Fortuna for my vote today. For Athena, her surviving that NK and the whole thing between her and Artemis would be enough for me to put a vote her way. Unlike Ceres however, I disagree on the 'curse' bit. I believe her explanation on that one at least.

As for Fortuna, all of the "Since X is defending me, that means they are civvie" posts do not sit well with me. At all.

I'm going to try and read up a bit more on both before I decide on my vote.

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Eros wrote:I am here willing to talk if anyone else would like to do that.
Who are you currently looking at casting a vote for today? And why?
Therein lies my problem, Diablo. I don't know.
Are you suspicious of anyone or looking at anyone at least? Or are you fairly lost at this point?
Beg your pardon, but are your own leads so dead that you must worry about mine when I have said I don't know?

I've already mentioned that I'm fairly lost as it is. I'm trying to get an idea of where to vote tomorrow, because if I had to vote now, I would have no clue where to go. Is it really that difficult to throw out a few names of people you are either looking at and/or think are good? Or do you prefer being a smartass about it and giving me a mouthy response? All I'm doing is asking a question and hoping to get some kind of answer out of it.

Funny thing is, if you answer my question(s), it usually means I stop asking them and go and look at thread evidence myself.

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Eros wrote:I am here willing to talk if anyone else would like to do that.
Who are you currently looking at casting a vote for today? And why?
Therein lies my problem, Diablo. I don't know.

Are you suspicious of anyone or looking at anyone at least? Or are you fairly lost at this point?

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:I am here willing to talk if anyone else would like to do that.

Who are you currently looking at casting a vote for today? And why?

Rachel Green

Eros wrote:
Pluto wrote: Eros seems very unsure of himself now, from what I can gleam.
Thanks, Dr. Phil.

I am quite sure of those I love. I am less sure of those I hate. I was never good at doing the latter, you understand? I occasionally get couples to hit each other, but it's usually with whips. Of course, there was that one couple who was into fish.

That's it? I upgraded to tentacle rape awhile back and it's never been better! They might want to get on the ball with that.

See? I can be funny about it too. :P

Rachel Green

So the suspicion of Aphrodite is her missing a bunch of day votes, but always voting in the night polls without posting.

With Athena, is it still mostly because of her vs. Artemis or is there new info I've missed since then.

I can see how Poseidon could be Hinzelmann, but I'm not convinced yet. I would much prefer to hear more from Poseidon before I look more in that direction.

Eros seems very unsure of himself now, from what I can gleam.

Is that right so far or am I missing something?

Rachel Green

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! You fools could have taken anyone, but you took my WIFE INSTEAD?!?!?! WHAT THE.....

Oh wait, if she's dead now....and I'm god of the underworld.....never mind then! I get her year-round! :yay:

Don't worry, Ceres. We'll still visit for holidays....assuming you aren't up to no good.

I look forward to hearing from an un-insanified Artemis as well as some of her voters. I do have plans today but I'm going to try and get my head wrapped around this game more at some point today.

Rachel Green

RIP Artemis!

Why people voted for an insanified person and said it could be "faked" when there are multiple roles who could have forced you into a posting challenge/insanified you seems really suspicious to me. I think looking back at some of the Artemis voters would be a good start for Day 4. I'm also unsure about Fortuna now. I think her defenses so far haven't been very good, but I don't see Eros going so far out on a limb to defend her if she was a baddie teammate. Doesn't strike me as in the best interest of a baddie team to do so. So I will hold off on Fortuna for now.

Also going with Ohio. I feel like there's more fun stuff to do in that state than in Indiana. Both have too many farms and cornfields though IMO.

Rachel Green

I won't be around later so I have to vote now. Going to go with Fortuna on this one.

Rachel Green

Medusa wrote:I will probably vote Fortuna today. She is not defending, she is not contributing, and I'm unsure about Athena. I wouldn't vote Artemis even if she had not been pranked today, because I don't see a real case on her.

I am going to reread a few players, like the 2 who said they were suspicious of Persephone but didn't bother to explain why.

I don't like the thought of someone already wanting to go after someone for being a non-participant or low poster. I think there are other, more valid reasons to vote for Fortuna. Sounds like you're just trying to latch onto an easy case to me.

I thought the case against Artemis was spelled out fairly clearly. Maybe I missed something there? But given Artemis is insanified today, I think I'm leaning toward a Fortuna vote for other reasons. The most likely because I could see her being Hinzelmann or mafia.

Rachel Green

Apollo wrote:
Pluto wrote:
Apollo wrote:What do you want to hear from me about, Pluto? I didn't entirely understand your post, but I would be happy to answer any questions.
I'm sorry. I misworded that. It was supposed to read "Apollo's suspicions". I get your reasoning behind Athena, and I could see that being a possibility. But I feel like there was someone else you were looking at today, and I can't remember who it was or what it was for.
The other suspect I am looking at today is Fortuna, because Persephone pointed out that she was saying "yes, I agree" a lot without contributing anything new, which is something baddies do a lot. She has failed to do anything to defend herself, which makes me worry about her as well.

Who are you looking at? I realize you were ketchup-bot-ified for a day, but I feel like you've been chatty without really advancing any theories of who might be bad?

Okay. Thanks for responding then. I will read back on Fortuna when I get a chance.

Honestly, I'm going off of what others are saying right now. I usually have a much harder time with sockpuppet games, and it takes me longer to get adapted to them and get into the swing of things. I promise I am trying my hardest to get acclimated with everything. And I will contribute more of my own thoughts in due time. But for now, it is what it is and I will do the best I can.

Rachel Green

Apollo wrote:What do you want to hear from me about, Pluto? I didn't entirely understand your post, but I would be happy to answer any questions.

I'm sorry. I misworded that. It was supposed to read "Apollo's suspicions". I get your reasoning behind Athena, and I could see that being a possibility. But I feel like there was someone else you were looking at today, and I can't remember who it was or what it was for.

Rachel Green

Ceres wrote:Some thoughts on this whole Arte vs. Athena business:

1. First thing that went thru my mind was: well played! Someone's trying to kill two birds with one stone. Except they missed at least one. Naturally, with Athena a target for NK-ing everyone would turn their heads towards Arte, who fortunately for them, is part of today's insanity fest, faking or not, and can't defend herself. I'll use the 'too stupid and too irresponsible for a baddie' argument again. But maybe that was exactly the point.
For me, Artemis being insanified tells me one of two things: Either someone is trying to protect her from a "mistake" she made i.e. a baddie teammate did it or someone is trying to frame her. Whether I pursue that or not depends on what her responses are once she can post normally
2. Then another thing went thru my godly head: Arte survived a lynching. How?
Again, another thing I look forward to hearing from her. If she doesn't know why though, I would lean towards some players having secret/extra votes
3. And another: so Athena is not part of the New Gods gang, but does this make her a civ? Not necessarily: there's still the Spooky people and a nice SK.
4. Another: I've played some games and since this one has a truckload of secrets, how do we know that this isn't a setup and Athena is not part of the New Gods?
I think this is one of those games where the hosts (or rather, hostesses) are going to ultimately force us to make a decision based on whatever evidence we have at hand. Hence the boatload of secrets. And I tend to wait until the last possible minute to make certain decisions in mafia, so that works perfectly fine for me.
5. I HAVE NO FREAKIN IDEA! I suspect them just as much as I did before this.
6. Not related to AvA, my gut feeling still tells me to look at both Apollo and Poseidon.

linki - lots of stuff

Could someone explain a bit more about the suspicion towards Apollo? I get the Poseidon case, even though I don't agree with it fully. But I would like to hear more on it from other players. Especially Apollo in particular if he hasn't gone into details yet. Meanwhile I will go back and try to look for what started it.

Rachel Green

Apollo wrote:Artemis, I have to admit, the evidence against you is not inconsiderable. What say you in your defense?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if she'll be able to tell us. She appears to be cursed or is under some kind of posting challenge/restriction.

Rachel Green

Yay no death! Sorry tech nerd. Better luck next time! :P

Still looking at Artemis for now. Hopefully further discussion reveals more possible suspects.

Rachel Green

Ceres wrote:You alright dude, bro(-in-law)?

I distinctly remember having this super wacky teacher from Saint Paul back in high school, so this one's for her.

I'm fine. I just love robots and ketchup. You got a problem with that?

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