The Syndicate

Young Lady

And it was perfectly normal being suspected from almost the beginning (what else is new--especially on this site where y'all play an entirely different game than I'm used to or comfortable with)....and truly odd to not use my smiley or say "eye me all you want."

Young Lady

And I never changed my password on this account (or on Laura), so it's all yours.

Young Lady

Sorry I didn't get more into this game. Truly, my apologies to the hosts and to the civs--especially Zeus.

Young Lady

hardly surprised

Young Lady

Not sure what you mean. It would be dangerous to assume that there has been no recruitment (which is my own belief) or it would be dangerous to think that there may have been?

Young Lady

What about recruitment? If both teams had a recruit (which is common in games where the bad guys have only 3 on a team, and it would have to be both teams in some form or other--standard recruit or rez someone onto the team) for the sake of balance. There could be more baddies than we'd like to think.

Young Lady

Leaning towards North Carolina, but not sure.

Young Lady

vote: Mars

The case against him makes sense to me.

Young Lady

Phoenix wrote:I know I will probably be getting several votes today and in all likelihood I will by the one that is lynched.

Lynching me will not help our cause, my fellow civvies. If you want to win, don't lynch me. In case no one has put it together by now, I am doing what I can to help. Hinzleman has obviously jumped onto this bogus "Phoenix must be Hinzleman" idea. I have missed the last 2 votes to try to force Hinz's hand. He had to either try to kill on a day where I missed the lynch vote...which would have proven to everyone that they were looking in the wrong direction...OR it would keep him from killing. It's really a shame that I've had to resort to this and you will see why when my role is revealed.

Anyway, I hope that my fellow civvies will not jump aboard this bandwagon and look elsewhere.

Sorry if I missed you saying it, but who do you think is Hinzelmann?

Young Lady

Out of curiosity, did anyone seem connected to Pandora?

Young Lady

Virginia makes sense to me.

Young Lady

I'm so sorry! I was crazy busy todqy and then out tonight and no where near a computer. A thousand apologies to the hosts and everyone else. I will improve.

As for the result--good, but unexpected to see an apparent lynch switch.

Aphrodite wrote:Wonder what happened to Athena??

Chronos wrote:
Aphrodite wrote:I feel like my suspicion list goes like:

Mars
Pluto
Helios
Apollo

Apollo why didn`t you respond to Phoenixs last post? Asking about your "case" and that you really haven`t tried to lynch him and when you had the chance to finally vote him after talking about him for DAYS you did not vote for him. tbh its that post of his coupled with Ceres thoughts that really make me doubt he is in fact Hinzelman.
No Phoenix? You don't think that it's possible that he is on a baddie team?

Just wondering.

Aphrodite wrote:Wonder what happened to Athena??
Good question.

Interesting how nobody is talking about her and she sinks into the shadows....

Electra wrote:Scallop shells really start to stink in the sunshine.

Know what I mean?

For a breath of fresh air, I think I'll examine those who have had next to no scrutiny, though I'm still quite likely to vote Mars.
Care to explain further?

I'm sorry. I've been really busy this week. It has to do with my schedule, not with anything game-related. Things should calm down a little bit starting tomorrow.

Young Lady

So sorry I missed the vote!! I was supposed to be back on time, but then got caught up in errands and missed it, and didn't have time to check in until now. I hate when I lose my mafia-timeslot!!

RIP Eros.

Young Lady

I was feeling bad for rock so I voted for it.

Young Lady

An indie with unknown win conditions. No idea what to think of that.

And rock paper scissors lizard spock...hmmmm....

Young Lady

Voted Pandora.

It does look like it could have been a slip. And the quote Aphrodite posted doesn't make things look better.

Young Lady

juliets wrote:So far these are the people I have playing the Saturday Game tomorrow at 4:30 - Pluto, Eros, Ares, Aphrodite, Electra, Phoenix, maybe Zeus, maybe Helios, maybe Chronos, hopefully Ceres. If your name is not on this list and you want to play just say so in the thread or by pm. Instructions will be in the thread tomorrow A.M.

Put me down for a maybe.

Young Lady

Sorry I haven't been around! Been busy and haven't been able to post much.

Young Lady

Can someone explain the logic of believing everything whiskey jack says as being straightforward truth? Because I really don't get it.

Young Lady

Medusa wrote:Athena, what tha? I don't get it at all. How anyone could be in the game this long and still be so ambiguous. It beats me. Say something woman! Get me a beer and a sandwich, anything just make some waves. It's just impossible to get any pings off someone who is so pingless. Maybe if you try a little harder or a little less, I dunno.

Ummm..don't know how to respond I've hardly shied away from sharing opinions. Do you have me confused with someone or have you been cursed?

Young Lady

Excellent result.

Young Lady

Voted Hercules. Seems like the best option at this moment for reasons stated above. And I need to vote now. Might be able to get on again bfore vote close, but not sure.

Young Lady

Zeus wrote:
Athena wrote:
Apollo wrote:Right, so Zeus has given us nothing but his word to go on. My instinct is that he is a liar, one who saw the attention Eros was getting and wanted a piece of the action. Combined with my earlier suspicions, I think I will cast my vote for Athena today. I call your bluff, Zeus!
He is not lying. He has good reason to defend me.

I have answered anything brought up about me. And I'll say again, there really isn't a case against me as far as I've seen in the thread. There is evidence I'm not Hinzelman. That is true--I'm also not any other baddie. I survived a night kill--yes I did and yes I know how, and no I won't tell you. I've suspected and voted for other civvies--that is true. I was wrong about people (assuming their roles as revealed are accurate). I'm loud and stubborn about my suspicions--yes, yes I am.

Am I missing anything? Because all of that just describes the way I play the game.
Athena, who are you thinking of voting for?

At this point, probably Hercules, unless the voting pattern shifts in the next little while. Mainly because I don't think you should be lynched. And also because I think the points about his absence point to the strong possibility that he's bad.

Eros wrote:Hercules = AaronLittleton

That is multiple levels of humorous.

Young Lady

Apollo wrote:Right, so Zeus has given us nothing but his word to go on. My instinct is that he is a liar, one who saw the attention Eros was getting and wanted a piece of the action. Combined with my earlier suspicions, I think I will cast my vote for Athena today. I call your bluff, Zeus!

He is not lying. He has good reason to defend me.

I have answered anything brought up about me. And I'll say again, there really isn't a case against me as far as I've seen in the thread. There is evidence I'm not Hinzelman. That is true--I'm also not any other baddie. I survived a night kill--yes I did and yes I know how, and no I won't tell you. I've suspected and voted for other civvies--that is true. I was wrong about people (assuming their roles as revealed are accurate). I'm loud and stubborn about my suspicions--yes, yes I am.

Am I missing anything? Because all of that just describes the way I play the game.

Young Lady

Ceres wrote:Here are some thoughts:

1. I'm inclined to believe that what WJ is saying is true. Why? Because there are quite a few people here who have btsc and who obviously know more than the rest, while others have nothing to work with except this truckload of confusing posts and frankly, this is very frustrating. I could say unfair, but I guess that's part of the game. So with WJ this is an attempt to balance things a bit.
2. I was going to cut Athena some slack after Fortuna flipped civ but then there was this:
The civvie protector has protected noone

3. Same goes for Poseidon. I had a gut feeling about him, but nothing to work with because he is mostly absent. And there is also this:
Mr Town: Thinks ALL gods are just freaks with telepathy, he can protect himself or one member of his team each night from all blockable powers
4.
Pluto wrote:I don't seem to be on the poll today. So thank you Mr. Ibis for that!

Prometheus was definitely who he appeared to be
You know what my first thought was? You so knew you that you were not going to be on the poll AND why. I can't prove that unfortunately.
5.
There is at least one dead baddie

if this is true and the Communication role is what Medusa was implying, then either Persephone or Atlas are baddies. Or both. If not, any of the ones already dead could be bad.

1. I entirely disagree on WJ. I have never seen a mafia game in which the journalist role got entirely true information. It doesn't make sense in terms of balance. I also think the hosts are tricksier than that and wouldn't always be entirely straightforward with the true information. I would be shocked to learn that every piece of information he gets is true. And I will not be taking his posts as gospel, or as a way for the hosts to tell the entire thread more information. That just doesn't make sense to me for game set up.

2. Bast, indeed, did not protect me--I could have told you that. I know how I was protected from that kill. Without going into too much detail, it was a result of a role mechanic of sorts. I was protected in a unique way, so to speak.

3. No idea how poseiden survived. But let's also take blocks into consideration.

4. Since I'm not believing all of WJ's info, I'll say we dont know that's true. There could also be a role that takes others' powers. Mr Stone, for instance...

5. I think that anyone that died could be bad, and that chances are that there's at least 1 dead baddie, just in terms of probability.

Eros wrote:Pallas may be the goddess of wisdom, but I think that may make her the goddess of subterfuge.

I've been reading Athena, and it's amazing how after the Artemis lynch, the Athena vs. Artemis discussion waned. And clearing Athena from SK status =/= a full acquittal.

The Zeus / Athena interactions have intrigued me:

Athena wrote:Kentuky is fine by me.

Zeus wrote:I thought we were all onboard trusting Eros' word for now? How did this happen? The baddies are running this game and we need to start killing them as immediately.
When did we start trusting his word? I think I missed that. Even if he was right about Fortuna, doesn't mean that he's civ...

I agree about the wanting to kill baddies part, though.

Athena wrote:
Zeus wrote:I wasn't up with a Fortuna lynch. I believed Eros. I think I'll br looking at Fortuna voters
Also non-voters. I think the baddies are blending in the background and letting the rest of us do their dirty work for them.
You don't say?

Do you not agree that baddies are blending in the background?

I assure you, I am not bad (or the SK, or indy, or anything other than civilian).

Young Lady

Kentuky is fine by me.

Zeus wrote:I thought we were all onboard trusting Eros' word for now? How did this happen? The baddies are running this game and we need to start killing them as immediately.

When did we start trusting his word? I think I missed that. Even if he was right about Fortuna, doesn't mean that he's civ...

I agree about the wanting to kill baddies part, though.

Young Lady

Zeus wrote:I wasn't up with a Fortuna lynch. I believed Eros. I think I'll br looking at Fortuna voters

Also non-voters. I think the baddies are blending in the background and letting the rest of us do their dirty work for them.

Young Lady

Assuming that's accurate, RIP.

Young Lady

voted Fortuna.

For reasons given. Also, for the reasons that she was also suspicious during the last lynch. Adding in the fact that Persephone, who was one of the original main suspecters was night killed last night, there are just too many signs pointing in that direction.

Young Lady

Ceres wrote:Thank you Athena for your reply, but like you said, we all play the game differently and as far as baddies go, you are my best bet at the moment.

I wouldn't plan a trip to vegas any time soon if that's the case. Because you're betting on the wrong person.

Young Lady

Ceres wrote:In an attempt to give Athena a chance to defend herself, here are my thoughts:

1. The Artemis episode was extremely confusing. I went back and forth on who was the non-civ in that equation because to me this was too elaborate to be a civ on civ dispute, and at one point I really thought there were two baddies involved. Artemis made a 'slip', which could have been completely plausible at the time, but that is not what made me suspect her, it was her very calm and calculated reply to Persephone's post. Athena on the other hand, has the "I know I'm a civ", "I'm just a civ' rhetoric which to me always sounds like baddies trying to convince themselves that they are civs.
2. Survived a night kill.
3. She has explained why she used the term 'curse' when people were talking about insanification in Arte's case, but I still get the feeling that she knew something the rest of us didn't.

This is the best I have so far, although I have to admit that Fortuna is in a similar situation:
1. 'I know I'm a civ which means that my defense attorney is also a civ.'
2. Managed to survive on day 3.

1. It was either civ on civ, or she's a seemer type role. And I can't help but know my own role. I'm sorry if stating that I'm civ is suspicious. I'm not sure I see how it is, but whatever.

2. Yes, I did. And I am thankful for having been protected. How is that suspicious?

3. I really don't understand this one, still. In my mafia experience, the term curse is generally used as a posting restriction that a player has. How is that not what was happening? What term would you use for "a posting restriction that is given by another player through their role or by the hosts"? Curse has always been what I've seen used, and so I use that term.

Your reasons don't add up to me being bad. I respect that they make you suspect me, although I don't really see how any of them are suspicious. But, like some others didn't see what I did in Artemis' posts, we all play the game differently. Sometimes, things that are not how we play look suspicious because it's not what we ourselves would do.

linkitis: Again, how is surviving a night kill attempt suspicious? And how does suspecting another player and making a case mean someone is bad?

Young Lady

Thank you, Zeus.

Young Lady

Did Fortuna ever post about not being lynched last time?

Fortuna wrote:
Medusa wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Medusa wrote:I must be unfamiliar with this style of mafia, the 'don't vote so&so' method. Why would Eros endorse two players, and not expect it to paint a target on himself and the other two players? Because he isn't worried about being a target?

Now Zeus is doing the same with Athena

Anyone have an idea about whether this strategy of being blatant is a civvie or baddie thing?
It would be a bold baddie move possibly. Too bold in my opinion. Of course you may factor in WIFOM which will bring you back to us being bad again. But that still makes it a very bold move for a baddie.

Put it this way. As a civ you see another person you think is civ being put under suspicion. How would you handle the situation? So far Athena has suspected a civ and failed to vote twice. In my opinion it is more common for civs to miss votes. Not that baddies don't. They certainly do.
Don't you think it's an equally bold move for a civvie to make? It's like saying 'here I am baddies. Come and get me/us'.
I agree with Zeus and think it is too bold of a move for a baddie. Plus, Eros is defending me, a civvie, so I know he must be civvie too.
I do think it is a bold move for a civvie, but not AS bold. If I were a civvie and knew a couple of suspected others to be for sure civvie, I think I would stick my neck out there and say, "hey, don't vote them, they are good." Even if I didn't have any evidence to show, I would still try.

How do you know he must be civ? That sounds like bad logic to me. Plus, if he checked you and knows your civ, he can't actually know that since there are multiple secrets in roles and a baddie that might be able to appear as a civ (at least that's what it sounds from the one line in his role that isn't secret).

And, please answer the above question. Why did you survive the last lynch?

Vesta wrote:I would like to hear more for the less active players before the lynch if possible. For those who replaced in any insights from reading?

As of right now Athena and Poseidon are the two I am considering. Athena, while I dont think can be Hinzelmann did very quickly steer attention to Artemis and away from herself. Apollo has made a reasonable case that Poseidon in Hinzelmann. I see another explNation for him being civ if Eros is right, but its hard to know at this point.

So, suspecting someone makes someone suspicious?

I wasn't trying to take attention off myself. If I were, then making a case against someone would hardly be the way to take attention away. I simply saw something that seemed off to me, commented on it, and gauged the reaction of the player. I am just a civ who doesn't know a whole lot, that is just trying to do her best in this game.

Young Lady

Ceres wrote:MY BABY! Curse you Hades! Persephone! I'll find the culprits and make them pay!

So what's the deal with Aphrodite? I know who I'm looking at today. Unless something interesting shows up, I'll be voting for Athena.

Care to share why?

Apollo wrote:
Ceres wrote:MY BABY! Curse you Hades! Persephone! I'll find the culprits and make them pay!

So what's the deal with Aphrodite? I know who I'm looking at today. Unless something interesting shows up, I'll be voting for Athena.
I share your suspicions of Athena, but could you give me a rundown of your reasons?

:still annoyed that I can't kill Aphrodite today because of the mean hosts:

Same question.

I am good. I would like to be able to defend myself.

Other than the fact that I wrongfully suspected someone, can someone please explain their suspicion of me?

Young Lady

Persephone wrote:Chronos: I called Arte he because his name Arte sounds male.

As for everything else: after everything yesterday I think I need to let it sink in. I did think the interaction between Eros and Fortuna was weird. He defended her all day and in one of her first posts she tries to distance from him. There is something niggling at me over this but I am not sure what it is.

ATHENA: I THOUGHT IF I POSTED ALL CAPS YOU WOULD NOTICE. HAVE YOU FINISHED YOU READ OF THE WISCONSIN VOTERS? WHAT THOUGHTS DO YOU WANT TO SHARE?

I did reread them the other day. Nothing in particular stuck out to me worth mentioning. I may reread again in the next day or so and see if I notice anything now in context of more time having gone by (and more posts to analyze).

Medusa wrote:I'm going to try for a clean slate here. Look at things with no preconceived ideas.

I went back to the roles, and tried guessing some of the secrets. Does anyone want to venture a guess about the baddie who keeps bodies in his trunk? He has a secret and I suppose it has to do with the bodies. Either he finds out the identity of the dead, or he can resurrect them later? If its the first one, that would be kind of cool, in that the other team has someone who can appear as someone else if lynched. One baddie team might be able to catch the other in a lie, and make connections and kill off a few of the baddies.

If its a resurrecting ability, then I don't see a bright side.

Does anyone besides me wonder if all the lynchees are who they were revealed to be?

Searching the dead seems too simple a power to be secret. If it's a rez, then that would mean that the other team probably has a similar ability in order for there to be balance. It could also be something entirely inventive that we're not easily going to guess, which based on our hosts I think is likely.

And you are not the only one who wonders that.

vote: Indiana

Young Lady

Clearly need to rethink everything. Sorry, Artemis for wrongfully suspecting you.

Young Lady

Ceres wrote:As far as Artemis goes, I'm not sure she's faking insanification, because if she did, she'd have my posts or Mars' or Phoenix's to copy. Athena suggested a curse in response to Mars' post who was talking about insanification, not a curse. I wonder if this isn't some sort of a slip from Athena. This is just too convenient. It would be beyond obvious that if Athena was targeted for a NK Artemis was the first person everyone would look at. What sort of baddie does that? It's too irresponsible and frankly, too stupid. And yet, what if that was the idea? One survived a lynching and one survived an NK. And I'm tempted to believe Athena had a curse slip. Fuck!

I don't have an actual case on Apollo, just my gut feeling for now. I wonder if Poseidon will conveniently show up to vote in this poll.

I often use the terms interchangably (one is cursed by insanification, after all). Also, she's clearly not posting through an insanifying-site--she's just making random posts, so insanified didn't quite seem the right term to use. Not sure what you're reading into my post. But I have no knowledge of what's going on with Athena or with any insanifying or cursing roles (other than what we can all read on page 1).

And baddies do things that no baddie would ever do all the time. It's why we have a term for it: WIFOM.

Young Lady

Chronos wrote:
Medusa wrote:Pluto and Eros, not contributing is not a jab at low posters. It means, not giving opinions or asking questions about posts, not actively searching for suspects, etc. can you two give reasons why you think it's more likely that Fortuna is a civ? Can you give reasons why you think that being suspicious of Fortuna makes someone bad?

And no, the only point I saw brought up about Artemis was a 'possible' slip, which she defended, and was even defended by another civ, Prometheus. Admittedly, I was a bit suspicious of Prom, but when he flipped civ, I stopped debating the whole 'possible slip' thing. If there was something more compelling about Artemis, then I must have missed it. Surviving a lynch could be due to a civ role, so Im holding off on her. The slip idea just didn't cut it for me.

Linki- Chronos, I have no clue. I don't know how to interpret Fortuna's silence. She apparently has defenders, which could also be a civ situation. It might be coming down to one group of defenders vs. another.
Just wondering if you thought it was possible....

I'm placing my vote on Athena today... but tomrorow I'd like to ehar from ARtemis.

If you can explain why you suspect me (other than the fact that I suspect someone else), it would be appreciated. But it seems you did not, in fact, vote for me, so yeah.

Vesta wrote:I am still a bit hung up on Artemis. Looking back at votes, she voted for Eros early, when it would make the most sense to hold your vote to defend yourself since she was a top candidate all day. The only way that makes sense is if she knew she would be saved. Lynch switch, votes stolen, etc. The insanification of Artemis also makes no sense. When I went back to see how she defended herself yesterday, it became clear there is no rhyme or reason. She's posting literally anything. It's not a story or specific video and not an insanifier, so I don't see how it isn't faked. Has anyone else been insanified like this so far?

I normally don't like to vote people insanified, but Artemis did have a chance to defend herself and would have been voted again if not for this insanification. Makes me rethink my possible vote for Fortuna today.

This. I don't think I buy Artemis' posts being a result of a curse. It's too convenient, first of all, and I can't see any pattern in her posting or topics. I also think it's likely that she tried to kill me last night.

I don't expect people to follow me blindly. And I do see the case against Fortuna--but if Fortuna does have some sort of save, I'm more comfortable having someone else with votes who I suspect.

Young Lady

Apollo wrote:
Athena wrote:
Apollo wrote:One more thing I just noticed looking over my notes. I find it interesting that Athena has been pushing an Artemis vote, but has so far declined to cast any lynch votes herself.
Perhaps afraid of going on record?
Nope. I just keep missing the votes.
Do you think you'll vote this time?

I certainly plan to. I've planned to vote the other times, too. But then I keep forgetting when the poll closes. And then I vote early in the cycle at night so I remember, lol.

Young Lady

Apollo wrote:One more thing I just noticed looking over my notes. I find it interesting that Athena has been pushing an Artemis vote, but has so far declined to cast any lynch votes herself.
Perhaps afraid of going on record?

Nope. I just keep missing the votes.

Young Lady

Medusa wrote:This is way more entertaining than Elvis videos-

Who was it that pushed the idea that Artemis made a slip? I've always thought that if a slip is debatable, then it's not a slip. And I can't help but be a little suspicious of people who push something as fact when it's actually not. I'll go back and reread that whole thing. Smells like a setup.

I was the one that questioned both her post and her response. I'm not sure I get what you mean by debatable. Unless someone posts, "I'm bad," then aren't all slips questionable? Maybe I don't understand what you mean.

I did not set anyone up. I just saw something that I view as suspicious, and continue to find suspicious, and pointed it out.

Young Lady

Artemis still, TBH.

Young Lady

fu techboy.

Thank you to my protector.

Young Lady

Voted Iowa.

Young Lady

I am so so sorry for missing the vote! I got entirely tied up with life.

Would have probably voted Artemis. Need to look at roles and votes.

Young Lady

Persephone wrote:First how awesome Laura's role is interactive it should be a huge help for us! I agree with her that it is indeed likely that Hinzelman voted for Wisconsin. I do wonder about the tie, if it was a tie.

As far as the Artemis/Athena go I do find it odd Artemis wrote a lot of civs then went on to say several civs. Athena's strong reaction is well idk. Let me discuss this.
Arte: I agree it is likely that civs voted for Wisconsin but it could just as easily be baddies and/or indy's in there as well so to say a lot or several civs seems to be like glossing over what you have posted. Again how do you know there were a lot/several civs and not baddies and/or indy's.
Athena: Nice to know you think so highly of yourself Modest aren't you? lol I have to ask you how do you know there are not a lot of civ's who voted Wisconsin? Why are you so intent of throwing all this at Arte? I mean I voted Wisconsin too but you seem to be distracting us from looking at Wisconsin voters and instead drawing eyes to Arte. Why? I do find what he said odd but I find some things you have said odd as well. Why not look at the Wisconsin voters? Is it because you voted Wisconsin as well?

Both of Arte and Athena should be looked at by everyone to see how they feel. I like looking at all sides and have no problem with closer scrutiny in my direction because of my vote for Wisconsin.

Hey, I'm the goddess of wisdom, so...

I don't know there aren't a lot of civs who voted Wisconsin. I know there is 1 civ who did, me. I don't know the identity of any of the other 6 people. They could all be civ, although I doubt that, just because of probability.

I have no problem with looking at that list. I will look at that list myself.

Pointing out a suspicious post from a player doesn't mean to not look at others players. And I do fiind her suspicious. For both her initial comment and her response. She said something odd, I asked her about it, and her response was to change what she had said and draw it towards the fact that people didn't read the roles carefully enough (which doesn't have any connection to people's team, mind you).

I'll consider other players, as well. But that's my best shot for now.

linki: That explanation makes sense to me, although I'm not sure it alleviates my suspicion of Arte. It seems like a calm, well thought out defense. But then, it also negates some of what was said previously. I need to think about this.

Young Lady

Each individual knows for themselves.

How would a civ know that "a lot of civs" voted for something--that implies knowledge of several civ roles. And as I read the roles, it is unlikely that someone would possibly know more than 2 other civs. And Artemis didn't vote Wisconsin herself. So she could possibly know that 2 civs voted that option. Which is hardly a lot.

How did you read her post?

Young Lady

Prometheus wrote:
Athena wrote:
Artemis wrote:A lot of civs voted for Wisconsin
How do you know this? Seems to me, only a baddie would be able to say that.
Or a civ who is annoyed with people for voting for Wisconsin.

Also, I paid no attention to the whole people living in particular states thing and just voted on a whim.

And how would a civ know that "a lot of civs" voted Wisconsin. Which is my whole point.

It's rough being the wisest goddess in the room.

Young Lady

Artemis wrote:
Athena wrote:
Artemis wrote:
Athena wrote:
Artemis wrote:A lot of civs voted for Wisconsin
How do you know this? Seems to me, only a baddie would be able to say that.
Or anyone that can count.

Okay, I don't know it. There's way too many people that voted for that option for their not to be several civs sprinkled in there who didn't read the role list closely enough. Even the hosts alluded to the lack of careful reading in the Day Post.
That's not what you said above. You said "a lot of civs." That's a different statement than "several sprinkled in there". And 7 isn't way too many people, IMHO to make assumptions like that.
I'm not anti-Semantic, okay, but this is ridiculous. For your argument, the opposite is just as true. How about: I know there are civs in there because I am a civ and know who some are? The pendulum swings both ways, ya know.

Several is 4 or more. To me, that is a lot in a game of 20+ people. That's nothing if not reasonable.

I don't really see a way that you could know who more than 2 other civs are at most. And 4 out of 25 is a lot? I wouldn't say that.

Can we talk about why Wisconsin won in an apparent tie?

And in counting just now, I just noticed there are 25 roles and 24 players. :o

Young Lady

Artemis wrote:
Athena wrote:
Artemis wrote:A lot of civs voted for Wisconsin
How do you know this? Seems to me, only a baddie would be able to say that.
Or anyone that can count.

Okay, I don't know it. There's way too many people that voted for that option for their not to be several civs sprinkled in there who didn't read the role list closely enough. Even the hosts alluded to the lack of careful reading in the Day Post.

That's not what you said above. You said "a lot of civs." That's a different statement than "several sprinkled in there". And 7 isn't way too many people, IMHO to make assumptions like that.

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