The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

Leamiteo wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Leamiteo wrote:I don't understand your reasoning at all tbh. It seems to be too far of a stretch to me, contrived possibly?

"Contrived possibly"? What are you trying to say there?

It means that I think it is forced and it makes me distrustful of you.

We should all always be distrustful of TH, because his baddie game is AMAZING. He always seems so helpful and thorough in his analysis, and he always fools me. Consequently, I never believe he is for real, no matter how civ he seems.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Kyle.

Elo, who do you think could be on MP/FZ's team?

Hedgeowl wrote:
Also, am considering Elo, because I can't remember who pointed out her accusation of Juliet's and Epi having btsc this game. When it fact it was the champions game Juliets meant and Elo was part of this btsc! I need to read Eis case more thoroughly, but honestly that wild accusation made me wonder more than anything else said.

thellama73 wrote:
I'll direct you to the same post where I said I was Busytown, USA and also sick. It's amazing I am able to type at all, frankly.

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Woah, you guys are chatty!

Okay, so I've noticed a few people like to take credit for last night's lynch despite not voting for FZ or not at all.

juliets wrote:I can't believe we got a second baddie on the second day! Good voting all of you who voted FZ.! Goodbye FZ. I'm sorry I won't get to play more with you but I am so glad we've got two down in the first two days - I don't think I've ever seen this before.

With Juliets the situation is a tad delicate. Had I not had a conversation with her in the X-Men game where she confessed that she was not good at building cases and just went with what others brought to the table, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with Rey that her vote for Eloh seems either lazy or opportunistic, or both. Actually, I kinda do a bit. You haven't even mentioned Elo's name until you voted for her, and the reasoning behind it was just that 'oh Rob said his spouse was bad and he's usually right about it' without any other kind of personal input whatsoever. The way this reads to me is that you didn't even go and read Elo's posts to see if Rob does indeed have a point, but merely took his word for it. He's not always right, you know. Actually he screwed up big time in HP and he pretty much handed the game on a silver platter to the baddies because he didn't read Elo correctly. I'm not saying this is the case here, he actually made some pretty good points and well worth looking into, but the way you justify your choice is questionable, to put it nicely. I remember encouraging you to practice and develop your case building skills. I think that is more desirable than following others just because 'they're usually right'. I will be keeping an eye on you though.

It's true I'm not really a case builder but the reason I went with Epig was a little different. And you're right I didn't mention Eloh's name until I voted her but I don't really see what that has to do with anything since I've said forthrightly that it's the fact that Epi made the case that made the case compelling. You may have noticed but he often connects dots that others have not because in my opinion he see's relationships where others of us may not. I can see what you mean by the way it looks like I didn't go over the facts of her case but I did and as I said above, it was Epig's conclusions that sold me. And I realize he was wrong once in HP but I have seen him do this and be right in many, many games. He's the only person I can think of that I would vote based on his opinion of a certain person so I don't just vote based on just anyone being 'usually right'. I think to truly understand this whole thing you would have had to be part of the conversations Epig and I had about his reads of Eloh so I understand that you would want to keep and eye on me, even though I'm not sure why voting with Epig would mean I was bad unless he was bad. Maybe thats what you meant. Anyway, I think I've said all there is to say about my vote for Eloh.

And where have you had these conversations about me? BTSC perhaps? BTSC during THIS GAME perhaps? on the both of yuse.

Yes btsc in the champions game.

juliets wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Woah, you guys are chatty!

Okay, so I've noticed a few people like to take credit for last night's lynch despite not voting for FZ or not at all.

juliets wrote:I can't believe we got a second baddie on the second day! Good voting all of you who voted FZ.! Goodbye FZ. I'm sorry I won't get to play more with you but I am so glad we've got two down in the first two days - I don't think I've ever seen this before.

With Juliets the situation is a tad delicate. Had I not had a conversation with her in the X-Men game where she confessed that she was not good at building cases and just went with what others brought to the table, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with Rey that her vote for Eloh seems either lazy or opportunistic, or both. Actually, I kinda do a bit. You haven't even mentioned Elo's name until you voted for her, and the reasoning behind it was just that 'oh Rob said his spouse was bad and he's usually right about it' without any other kind of personal input whatsoever. The way this reads to me is that you didn't even go and read Elo's posts to see if Rob does indeed have a point, but merely took his word for it. He's not always right, you know. Actually he screwed up big time in HP and he pretty much handed the game on a silver platter to the baddies because he didn't read Elo correctly. I'm not saying this is the case here, he actually made some pretty good points and well worth looking into, but the way you justify your choice is questionable, to put it nicely. I remember encouraging you to practice and develop your case building skills. I think that is more desirable than following others just because 'they're usually right'. I will be keeping an eye on you though.

It's true I'm not really a case builder but the reason I went with Epig was a little different. And you're right I didn't mention Eloh's name until I voted her but I don't really see what that has to do with anything since I've said forthrightly that it's the fact that Epi made the case that made the case compelling. You may have noticed but he often connects dots that others have not because in my opinion he see's relationships where others of us may not. I can see what you mean by the way it looks like I didn't go over the facts of her case but I did and as I said above, it was Epig's conclusions that sold me. And I realize he was wrong once in HP but I have seen him do this and be right in many, many games. He's the only person I can think of that I would vote based on his opinion of a certain person so I don't just vote based on just anyone being 'usually right'. I think to truly understand this whole thing you would have had to be part of the conversations Epig and I had about his reads of Eloh so I understand that you would want to keep and eye on me, even though I'm not sure why voting with Epig would mean I was bad unless he was bad. Maybe thats what you meant. Anyway, I think I've said all there is to say about my vote for Eloh.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:K4j, do you think that if MP distanced hard from his teammates, that FZ would look to do the same? Seems like her shtick was to play defense, judging by the MP lynch. I am not sure they would both use the same tactics against their own teammates.

There are still a ton of quiet people too. And absent (for good reasons, i'm not trying to insinuate it's a ploy), but that would make it very easy for their teamies to fly under the radar. If they were both pretty vocal so far, I'd think maybe their teammates would hang back a bit, but that is 1000% speculation. Otherwise, that whole contingent would be drawing a lot of attention. There's gotta be a baddie in the bunch of the no- or low-posters, but it's really chancey for them to root them out that way because the numbers game would make it a bit more likely that a civ would get caught in the crosshairs.

Are there players you think that are being quieter than normal or more talkative than normal? If you put four hyperactive players on one baddie team, do you think that one or two of them would quiet down and play low-key? These are honest questions, because I don't quite know full well if that would happen on this site.

juliets wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

juliets wrote:It's not silly. Epig explained the whole thing to me and I was quite a doubter at first. I figured it was more likely there were shenanigans. It was a long conversation because I was convinced that there was no normal way he could be right. He finally convinced me though, and now I'm a believer. I don't know what "several" times means - Epig why don't you clear that up. How many times have you been wrong about Elo? Are you just testing her by voting her early? If I'm wrong about him this time Elo i owe you an apology - I just don't think I am.

I also brought a rope and choose to swing.

I'm joining Mongoose in the Devil's Advocate dept.

What if Epi is bad and just wants to paint Elo bad? This all seems to be under the assumption that Epigawig is civvie.

It's my opinion that if Epi is bad and Elo is good or on another team he would go for someone besides his wife. We have a wide open board. Why pick her ahead of all the other people he could go after? If it were me, I'd choose to go after anyone but my sweetie pie. (Maybe later when it becomes a must, but not early.) Just my opinion though.

Mongoose wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Nice work FZ voters. I've never seen a game start this well before.

Does anyone still agree with me that the bandwagon was a bit odd though?

I do agree with you, and was surprised that FZ flipped baddie. Do you suppose the other bad team might have been protecting one of their own? But obvious, if so.

That could very well be true.

But another possibility I've just realized, Elo placed a vote on k4j when they were tied at 5. Could have also been an attempt at a baddie save?

To play Devil's Advocate, Elo was also getting some votes by then, so it might have been to ensure she didn't get lynched.

juliets wrote:

Boogs wrote:
I definitely do. It was all crazy back and forth all of a sudden for both FZ and K4J. Keeping my eyes open

Two things that struck me as odd during this lynch were:
a) I felt like the Elohcin thing was kind of random and I'm surprised people voted for her. Just because she randomized? Idk.. Felt weird to me.

I did not vote Elo because she randomized. I voted for her because Epig says she's bad and in game after game epig has shown that when he thinks she's good, she's good and when he thinks she's bad, she's bad. I have questioned him intensely on this because it always looked contrived to me (the times he said she was good), a man protecting his wife. But he ultimately convinced me that he knows her so well after 10 years of living with her that he can tell by her mannerisms and how she posts if she's good or bad. I think he was wrong once but he's been consistently right in game after game and I chose to believe him here.

thellama73 wrote:At this point, I would rather see ELoh go than either FZ or K4J, so I hope the remaining votes come in soon.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Mongoose, I'm going to be honest- that last post made me go from Whoo to wehrn wehrn wehrn with you.

I've been increasingly wondering about Mongoose as well. I am going to catch up more and reread her while I eat lunch, then I have a massive amount of dishes to do

Elohcin wrote:After reading back through Mongoose and k4j, I find the suspicions on k4j to be stronger than Mongoose. That is where my vote will most likely go today.

For someone with a incredible "gut pings," you haven't expressed an original suspicion or thought. Not a one. And now you are "increasingly wondering" about Mongoose. How so? In what respect? If you've been "increasingly" wondering, that implies that you had a suspicion of her previously, and that suspicion has continued to fester. Yet you've asked Mongoose nothing and you haven't said anything concrete about her.

But the wind is blowing in kneel4justice's direction, and now you're likely to vote there.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I agree with llama that a spread vote makes it easier for the baddies to manipulate the lynch in their favor, but I also agree with MP/TH as well. If we go llama's way and pile votes on someone like Dom, chances are he will turn out civ and then we are left with not much info to go on. Day 1 is usually all about guessing and disappointment unfortunately.

Lots of names have been thrown around but I have no gut pings as of yet, my gut pings are usually right. I'd like to be able to wait and see if I get any, but there is not much time and I need to go ahead and vote b/c I have RL stuff to do.

Randomizing DFaraday. That's right....I don't want to be accountable for my vote

Great to have you back SnowDog!

This has to be one of the most ambivalent posts I've ever seen.

Regarding the enlarged, what is it about Dom that makes him more likely to be civilian than anyone else? "Someone like Dom..."

Anyway, let me outline this post:

1a. Spreading the vote makes it easier for Mafia to manipulate the lynch but
2a. A bandwagon will most likely lynch a civilian
A. Therefore Day 1 is about guessing and being disappointed.

1b. I have no instinct, which is unfortunate because
2b. My instincts are usually good, so
B. I will vote randomly.

The defeatist attitude of item "A" stands in stark contrast with the next post, highlighted below. Item "A" also is not what one would expect if Item "2b" were true.

Elohcin wrote:Seriously?!? That is an amazing result. I can't believe that in two games in a row we got a baddie Day 1. I think I will be less likely to randomize Day 1 now. Great result!

I am choosing "my journal". I would never forget food, drink, or a rope. I am one of those mom's that has everything she or her kids will need right in her purse/diaper bag .

Pokemon (the other game referenced), Day 1:

Elohcin » Sat May 17, 2014 12:12 pm wrote:I voted for Kyle since he voted for me. I know his vote was random and there are no hard feelings there. And, I wouldn't have voted for him if it meant he would receive 2 votes and be tied for first. I wanted to vote for someone who had no votes so far and he seemed like the best choice. All in good fun! But I hope more things come to the surface thoughout the night and tomorrow so we can have a better idea of who could be bad.

The enlarged text above implies that you voted randomly on Day 1 in both Pokemon and here. But you didn't vote randomly on Day 1 in Pokemon- only here.

Epignosis wrote:Mongoose, I'm going to be honest- that last post made me go from Whoo to wehrn wehrn wehrn with you.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

thellama73 wrote:The following people didn't vote in the night poll:
birdwithteeth
Elohcin
Flyin' High
Kyle
MetalMarsh.

I am going to do a reread of all these players, because I still think my no vote=no kill analysis is correct.

I also looked at MP's posts again, and I don't think his suspicion of FZ was distancing. I think he saw an opportunity to pounce on her statement about contest participation being suspicious, and took it. Not sure about Dom and Boogs yet.

That narrows my vote today down to one of seven people.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

I thought about this too, and I think it's a really good point. He knew she was in no danger of being lynched, so a vote on her was totally safe.

Turnip Head wrote:I like Russti's answer here. There's just enough crypticness to allow for anything to be possible regarding the lack of death.

For what it's worth, I didn't find llama's statements about missing PM's to be out of character for him. Given that Russti asked for PM's 15 minutes before deadline, it seems logical to think some people were going to miss the warning announcement and thus miss deadline.

However, I think baddies are less likely in general to miss PM's than lonely civvies are. Baddies have people nudging them behind the scenes, civilians just forget to do stuff.

Mongoose wrote:I think you broke my brain, Eloh. Good for you for not being batspit crazy after the day you had. I held a 10-day old baby for 10 minutes today and had to go out for some air afterwards.

Now I can do a 10 day old baby ...so wittle! I could have chosen to stay out in the audience at my daughters dance recital but I am not the type of mom to leave my 4 yr old daughter in a room full of girls with only a handful of moms and three outfit changes.

juliets wrote:I may vote for the person with the most "filler" posts - posts that are only tangentially or not at all related to the thread.

FZ. wrote:Hey everyone,
I came home from work today and discovered someone broke in to our home, made a lot (and I mean a lot) of mess, took money and jewelry and other stuff. The police just left recently, and I don't think they're going to be very helpful
My husband is out of state....and I am so not in the mood for playing.
So if you have someone that can replace me, that would be the best option. If not, you'll have to bare with me til I get this sorted out and I get over the shock.
I'm really sorry