The Syndicate

Woo Hoo! That one was difficult

linki: dunya, stop apologizing. you were badass

yeah, I switched. I sure hope we are right

Juliets, what are you thinking?

well...we have 10 minutes to make a decision.

are you asking me? Cause I don't know. I never got it.

I am sure LC could convince speed he is civ in a btsc chat.

oh. I didn't know it had to be a role thing. couldn't LC have just been the messenger?

If it is LC, then the mafia wanted someone who was quiet to receive civ status. It could be that LC is super busy IRL, pulled a mafia role and asked to have it be him so that he could lay low and still help win for his team. That is the nly scenario where I see it being LC

but...I just names everyone

but then there are always nagging thoughts that i could be jules or dunya. Or, yes even LC

I agree that is is probably kites and one other. I think it is Luna.

I am going to go ahead and place my vote on luna for now. We'll be getting busy with dinner/cleanup b/c Epi's DFS lock schedule. I will probably have time to come in and keep assessing, but I want to be sure I get in my vote.

Then who are you leaning to, Jules?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:49 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:46 pm I am wondering if Luna is just trying to find blame where she can since she has a vote and knows she is top suspect of some. I am still liking the "it would have been Jack" defense better.
I'm a little confused Elo - when you say "better", better than what?

Oh, I just meant better than the idea of it being LC, sorry.

I am wondering if Luna is just trying to find blame where she can since she has a vote and knows she is top suspect of some. I am still liking the "it would have been Jack" defense better.

I see kites is trying to prove himself worthy of civ status. I know we cannot vote him, but he would have been who I voted for.

My next suspect is Luna (still). Everything about her and her role seems very fishy to me. Tell me if this is correct. I read she wasn't able to even use it til last night and then it was blocked last night. I also read that we have yet to have feedback with the words "blocked."

Juliets would be my deepwolf pick. If she is bad, she deserves a win. She has done well, but I feel like the past few days have been wonky. She got real rigid in her civ reads and then when she was getting too much attention, she started backing off a bit.

linki - at this point it is very difficult to know. The only thing keeping LC out of my POE is the fact that if Mafia pulled off a gambit with LC's claims, then it would have been Jack to do the dirty work since he was more involved and could then be thought of civ the rest of the game. As for dunya. I have a hard time reading her. Her role *sounds* civ...I know, I know...means nothing really. I suppose I could actually lump her in as deepwolf like my thoughts on Jules. I have thought them both to be civ this game. Juliets/Dunya could be w/w. Wouldn't that be something. They did the little heated argument in the thread yesterday that ended in

I am here y'all. I still have a couple household chores, but I am taking a break so I can talk.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:18 am Still no answer from Epignosis.

@Lunalee so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

What are you trying to ask him? Is it wrong for me to ask him since he and I share a private discord to talk throughout the day?

I am going to try to contribute as much as possible today. My computer is being used for End of Year testing and I am working as well. I'll catch up and post soon

yes, totally understand.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:40 pm Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?

Are you asking this b/c you thought mafia would kill her? Cause that is what I was thinking. So she couldn't use her lie detect.

we were playing a game. Epi is now upstairs. I am guessing he will be on it now.

So, basically the sole purpose for a baddie having the lie detector role would be to make themselves look good upon claiming.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:53 pm And if Luna is bad?

I know, right? I am thinking this about every. single. one of yas. "If ________ is bad?" I hate when we get down to the end like this and my mind starts going in every which direction second guessing every thought I have.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:54 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:48 pm Maybe it means "bad idea".
Correct

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:55 pm It’s a really bad idea as a civ to have one of your fellow civs locked into a vote. You just gotta hope and pray that locked vote is a baddie. Or be certain I am, which I’m not. Inthis stage the best case scenario is for the civs to make choices.

I agree with you daisy.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:58 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:56 pm All that said, I don’t trus tkites anymore than he claims to trust me.
Daisy what are you seeing in him that tells you he's bad? I need to to another re-read from the perspective of him being bad.

Ladies, I have been wary of him just about all game. I am surprised he has made it this long. I just feel like he is lying really well and doing all the charts and what not for show. Mafia do those things sometimes to look civ. [mention]Lunalee[/mention] have you lie detected him for anything?

Kites wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:19 pm Oh and Long Con hasn’t said a word about me during the whole game and I don’t know what to think of that

That is interesting. In fact....when YOU brought him up as a suspicion, he blamed ME for it. Can someone else weigh in on this. Does it mean anything?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 12:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:33 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:10 am Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.
Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.
The bold is the stubbornness I was talking about @juliets . I think dunya explained the thoughts in my head in a way I couldn't. You were unwilling to even take a second look at those you claimed as civ when clearly this game is a crapshoot right now.

Linki I will answe in a sec. My phone cuts off the first part and I can't read it all
So Eloh I'll ask you too, you think I was being stubborn but I had no time to re-research people. Where should I have voted? For speed whom I had bts with twice and was convinced he was good? For kites who I've posted quotes from twice saying he was good? For dunya who was in my POE but I hadn't fully sorted yet? Where was I supposed to vote and what was the evidence that was so good for that person that was presented in EOD?

I expected a more open attitude from you as you always seem to be willing to work with others to get the best results. It was unlike you (imo) for you to stick to your guns so much when even the roles in this game make it difficult to assign alignment. But, I'm thinking now that maybe this was a result of you feeling attacked basically as I read your post to dunya. You felt like she was only going after you about having her in your POE but not going after those who actually had a vote on her.

I am Do it Again. I haven't targeted anyone from Nights 1-6. I am a civilian.

I can target daisy to vote kits again and retarget the same person. I cannot do do chuck (as he is gone). I cannot choose dunya or kits (again, as chuck is gone). And I refuse to choose someone to vot me again

. We could have a thread vote to see if people think I should target daisy tonight if y'all think that is best.

dunya wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:10 am Well that sucks. I'm sorry, speedchuck. Thought the defeatist attitude in the end was kind of a surrender.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:06 am I participated yesterday and got pounded unfairly.
Can you explain what you mean by "got pounded unfairly"?

If you're referring to me, I feel terrible you think I was being unfair to you. I only asked something I think I am entitled to know as the recipient of your ongoing shade and suspicions for a few days because I had been holding off on it too long and the tinfoil was beginning to hit me hard on why you're saying dunya is probably bad based on a dead player's words and adding nothing else. You still haven't. Your entire suspicion on me is based on Mata. Entirely. If not, you haven't set the record straight and that confuses me too. If anything, I have felt unfairly targeted by you ever since Mata died. I can't defend myself against a dead player's words and we'll never know why the dead player had those thoughts (even though I explained 100 different ways why Mata could have suspected me and what really happened to the point where Mata was saying she doesn't think I'm a red suspect anymore). You didn't strike me as someone willing to listen and I attribute that to mafia behavior.

I don't care about your roleclaim anymore, that's my point. And other behavior, especially your unwillingness yesterday to revisit people you have down town based on nothing more than speculation still triggers me. You didn't even budge off Eloh when she roleclaimed, and it was apparent she had never used her role. Why would Eloh or her teammates not use her role? It makes 0 sense to me. I just don't see the hesitation of a townie in you.

The bold is the stubbornness I was talking about [mention]juliets[/mention] . I think dunya explained the thoughts in my head in a way I couldn't. You were unwilling to even take a second look at those you claimed as civ when clearly this game is a crapshoot right now.

Linki I will answe in a sec. My phone cuts off the first part and I can't read it all

I am caught up. *sigh*. I really wanted to vote kites yesterday evening when I came in and saw where the votes stood, but I didn't think that would be enough to save myself. Reading back, I see others were thinking the same. I'm sorry I wasn't able to be fully engaged at that time or we may have actually caught a baddie.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:10 pm I’ve played games for my husband in the past. I would have felt shit if I decided he had crafted a shit role and didn’t use it. I would have found a way to use the thing. And I usually try to find other people’s input if I can do so without being obvious. I revealed that role and tried to generate discussion on if we thought it might be civ or bad aligned. No one would. It would have been the perfect time to try and generate some strategy for how she could use it, but she didn’t. I’m not convinced that role is civ or that she really was choosing not to use it.

I am with Dunya on not role revealing unless necessary to save my butt. I was taught years ago about being very careful about sharing my role. I think bringing up my role and discussing it with the thread gives the mafia the advantage, not the civs. BUT, since it is out, please tell me. How could I have used my role to HELP civs? Would you want Luna to have to lie detect the same person twice? No, that would be silly. That is just one example. I cannot think of any good that could come from it. I don't think my lack of use of the role hurts epi's feelings. I even told him I would not be using it b/c I didn't think it would be helpful. He didn't seem to get upset.

I'm not surprised by the result. I thought he was probably civ. I only voted him to save myself as I am more sure of my alignment over my sureness of his. It's a pitty it went that way. Dunya, Kites, why did your votes go to chuck. I will try to read what happened while I sit and fold laundry this morning, but wanted to ask just in case things went so fast at the end that reasons weren't mentioned.

What does this mean for civilians? I know we are getting low. Do we still have a chance? Let's see, 6 players left. Are we thinking 1 or 2 mafia?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:44 pm wait, @Elohcin would your role allow me to get a second lie detect?

I think it would make you target the same person twice in a row ia what it would do.

I cannot see full linki on my phone

I don't know what is going on, but I am just here to try to keep myself around. Votes chuck.

or, even jules and daisy. I really have to go get ready

could be you and dunya too. Y'all could be putting on a show right now.

linki

could be you and luna.

I am confused. Juliets you say "I didn;t say I was voting you, I still have to read you". But you DID vote me already. And, you also said ealier that you were not going to look into anyone else until I flip.

linki, I on the other hand would not even predicted a vote on you from me. How could you? I only think you are bad b/c of hou you have been acting just today and last night.

so much linki. I think I am going to go to the part tonight with wet, frizzy hair :P I have to leave in less than 30 minutes

this may be the only time I have ever read juliets' posts and thought...man those sound baddie. I guess I will do what she says and go ahead and place my vote......on her.

linki - stubborn about me when I have come in here and done everything I can to prove I am civ. You ask me this, I answer this, you ask me that, I answer that. I spend HOURS placating you and all for nothing but a waste of my time b/c you knew you weren't going to ever change your mind about me. And all b/c of stupid process of elimination. Process of Elimination doesn't always work.

linki at jules - it is how I am reading your post

linki with daisy - I swear on..... on... oh I don't know. But I haven't used it. Does it sound to you like a role that could help civs?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:54 pm Does the fact she has a role and didn't even use not even sway you? That's crazy to me.

Juliets is being very stubborn and that is unlike her

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:44 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:28 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 2:23 pm Juliets always forms her own opinions. She doesn't take a dead player's opinions and roll with them like they are written truths imo. Bad juliets can use a dead player's opinions and roll with them because how do I defend myself from accusations from someone who can't react to me defences? Bad.
I take dead people's thoughts if I think they found something worth standing up for.
Every time I ask you about why I'm bad, you say "something mata". I'm not satisfied with that. Even using a dead players thoughts as basis to forming your own opinions would be easier for me to understand where you're coming from so I can defend myself. You're not allowing me a means to do that and that's bad imo.
I am not voting you today. I am not 100% sure you are bad. I respect mate's reads because of her role ability but I know it's possible she had not caught you with her role. You are acting like I am voting you now and refusing to give reasons.
Eloh has 4 votes. She's MIA. We told her to roleclaim. There's not much more digging I can do there. You've been foreshadowing my lynch ever since Mata died. I'm your second biggest suspect after Eloh. I think it's reasonable of me to want to know why in clear terms.
I will assess where I am with everyone left after Elo flips. I'll spend tomorrow on it.

I don't know what to make of you jules and I am trying to wrap my head around your behavior. Have you claimed your role? B/c you seen me to be so very confident on those you think are civ. You have become quite pushy during this past night and today. I have seriously thought you were civ all game but your behavior has become quite odd. I wish I could articulate my thoughts better than that. You don't seem to care that I'll flip civ and the game will then be lylo or mylo whatever (I never keep track of that). You just want me out and to move on when I have answered all your concerns that you have thrown my way. I just don't understand.

@dunya - I didn't use my role on anyone b/c I didn't want it to affect the civs badly. I felt like even putting it on someone I suspect woudn't be good as it says that the person will target the same person again. For instance, let's say the insanifying role was bad, and I targeted the person with that role. Then the same person would be insanified for TWO days. That for sure can hurt the civs esp with so many inactive players as it was. I don't know. Maybe if you have the role, you could think of a way to make it work in the civs favor, but I couldn't.

or TRY to save myself

I was trying to wait til the end to vote to save myself. Do I have to vote right away?

Okay, I can't read all of this...no time. I am the Do it Again role. I don't see how claiming this helps me, but there it is. I have not used it at all this game b/c I have felt it would not help the civs.

I'm here for a few.minutes. I'm gonna read a bit....h/o

Ok....i seriously have to go get ready. My kids keep coming to me for this or that. Sorry folks...its time to celebrate my baby turning SEVEN!!!! Much more important than this game right now.

As for the longer post, the incidents of GG are still very fresh in my mind and maybe I was projecting (I think that's the word). I still hate what happened in GG. It didn't even matter that I was civ. It was the principle of it that I was completely ignored like I was not even there. Like I was talking to the wall. I need to forgive for that, I know. But all those feelings came up again at that moment when Mac was being lynched. And I felt again like it didn't even matter if he were civ or bad. It is the principle. In hindsight, it wasn't as bad as what happened to me. I understand that now.

Sorry...linki didn't show...that was to dunya...hold on. Ibwill try to get to your other stuff. On phone and trying to cook

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