The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Haha, then you guys will know how I feel!!

I suppose that's the downside to pulling off amazing baddie games/gambits. But... still totally worth it.

I've never really pulled off any amazing baddie games/gambits, but I still get lynched early every game.

Devin the Omniscient wrote: Also, sorry llama! I wanted to gain the trust of a prominent player who was on the verge of being lynched I knew we would be in trouble when you replaced in, that's why I targeted you with one of Night attacks.

You scoundrel! You played an amazing game. I was really convinced you were good. I hope your victory was worth the price of my trust.

I tried to enter a warp zone, but you wouldn't let me.

Thank god that's finally over with.
I can't help but think we would have done better if you guys had listened to my vote spreading idea instead of just killing me.

A Person wrote:Alex Lifeson is a hack

He's certainly the weakest link in the otherwise adamantium chain that is Rush, but I would never say a hack.

Mongoose wrote:It's never my birthday!

It's mine in eleven days.

Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Devin the Omniscient wrote: But anyways, What's everyone's thoughts on the quieter players?? I feel like the players in the middle of everything are the only ones being targeted for lynches anymore, and look where that's gotten us.

I trust you, Devin, perhaps mistakenly, but I do so there. I found Mata's sudden list compiling after taking her first vote a big red flag. Feels very diversionary, and I don't agree with her choices.

I have said since the beginning (which got me killed) that I am uncomfortable leaving a bunch of players with zero votes because if we pick wrong (which we have so far) we end up with undamaged baddies who will be very hard to lynch. It's also worth noting that there have been quite a few night kill misses. Whether this has to do with blocking or missed PMs, I don't know, but it seems likely to me that some of the quieter folks are bad.

Matahari wrote:Ok, so baddie team = mongoose, llama, hedge, and elohcin? Anyone placing bets? Anyone want to alter my list?

I generally like this list except for me and Elohcin, and maybe Hedge (who I have been reconsidering a lot lately.) Apart from that it's great!

Elohcin wrote:RIP BWT and MR. I am just so confused. This game is truly a difficult one when it comes to finding baddies. Someone will say something and it makes me think, "yes, he is definitely bad." Then the same person will say something I totally agree with and it is hard for me to imagine them bad. :/ I'm at a loss. There is only one person I genuinely suspect, but I will hold off on mentioning who and why until night has passed.

Oh, I think we all know who you mean.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not pleased with the number of missed votes. Not at all...

Have you considered actually punishing the people who miss votes? I keep hearing folklore about the wrath of MP and his notorious modkills, but I have yet to see any evidence of it myself.

Good reaction from Mata on my vote for her. I think I might have caught a baddie on my hook.

I was very confident MR was good, so now that it has been confirmed, LIzzy may deserve a look for going after him. I don't blame people for thinking BWT was bad though.

I think Mongoose 2.0 is Dr. Fetus, but I don't think voting for her until the last level will have any effect.

Well, as for me, I still am wary of HedgeBaddie and INH, but Hedge's vote analysis was extremely helpful so she gets a pass from me today. I also note that a lot of people have taken no votes and that worries me. If the civvies have all been wearing each other down while the baddies have quietly been taking no votes, it's going to be very hard to kill them, so I am going to throw my vote to Matahari today just to get her in the game.

Oh, I see that only one vote has actually been thrown at me so far today, so that is not too bad. I would urge others not to follow Rob's lead.

Well this is fun, I am replacing in to someone who is currently having votes thrown at them! I fear my second incarnation may be short lived.

The funny thing is, Rob's analysis is excellent and I would have totally gone along with it if I had not learned, just a couple of seconds ago when I got my new role PM, that it is completely wrong.

Don't kill me again, please! I want to live!

Elohcin wrote:I'm never buying boxed hot chocolate again. This homemade hot chocolate is amazing!

Was the heat homemade, or the chocolate, or both?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I still need many more PMs...

Happens every time. Kill me off and the game withers and dies. You would think people would learn...

FYI, I am finished, so no one else bother wasting votes on me. It's been fun, y'all.

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote: In summary, Elo is all for just randomly lynching people this game, regardless of alignment, until....something happens? I don't really see her endgame here. It makes me think she's bad, and even if she's not bad I think she's a danger to the rest of the civs this game, because she's willing to play fast and loose with our lives by following any bandwagon she can find and killing the weak ones. I will almost certainly vote for her today, and I hope that she gives some sort of response to my post. I also hope others will consider voting her.

I agree with this. I have gone on record multiple times against the "let's just lynch anyone, because information!" argument. I think it's a wicked bad idea to not care whether the people you lynch for are actually bad.

Wait a tick! I'm not dangerous, I'm compliant. No reason to go after me.

The only reason I am not voting for you is that I trust Rob, and I trust Rob to read you. I still think it's a bad strategy you endorse, though.

Russtifinko wrote: In summary, Elo is all for just randomly lynching people this game, regardless of alignment, until....something happens? I don't really see her endgame here. It makes me think she's bad, and even if she's not bad I think she's a danger to the rest of the civs this game, because she's willing to play fast and loose with our lives by following any bandwagon she can find and killing the weak ones. I will almost certainly vote for her today, and I hope that she gives some sort of response to my post. I also hope others will consider voting her.

I agree with this. I have gone on record multiple times against the "let's just lynch anyone, because information!" argument. I think it's a wicked bad idea to not care whether the people you lynch for are actually bad.

Russtifinko wrote:So I, once again, am failing to grasp a llama case. Llama, what is it about Boomslang that initially made you think he was bad?

I was initially alerted to his baddieness by the nonsensical attack he launched against me when I announced my intention to visit a warp zone. He said I was trying to avoid attention, but if I wanted to do that I wouldn't have announced it, much less while voting was still going on. He didn't call out others who had vanished through warp zones without comment. It seemed very disingenuous and opportunistic to me.

Since then, he has manufactured equally baffling attacks and to me it feels like he's flailing, having been caught in a poorly thought out baddie play.

Russtifinko wrote: I don't understand your cavalier attitude about votes unless you are in fact Dr. Fetus or Bandage Girl. In either case, trying to lynch you is pointless, though.

Yes, trying to lynch me is pointless. Do not vote for me, as it will be a vote wasted.

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In fact, I have no reason to wait. That's how certain I am!

*Votes Boomslang*

Then who do you think I am, if you're so sure? Can you point to my role based on my behavior, or are you just casting a general net and hoping it sticks?

So it's no longer enough to peg someone as a baddie, I have to know their specific role in order to vote for them? What a strange argument.

It's straw-grasping like this that makes me suspect you so much.

In fact, I have no reason to wait. That's how certain I am!

*Votes Boomslang*

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Little Horn especially scares me; there must be several civ players that are nearly out of lives. Those civ deaths will only power him up further.

Agreed. It would be very fortunate to take care of Little Horn today, while all players are on the poll. Any thoughts on where you're looking?

This!!! And your larger post that I didn't want to quote. I honestly have no idea where to look (I wouldn't mind continuing to vote for Jigsaw but I'm a little biased there). So far the only baddie discussion has been regarding Dr. Fetus, and obviously we can't benefit from voting for him right now. So that leaves me with no other real leads unfortunately, and.... Oh yes! Weren't we going to have a discussion today?

It's Boomslang, you guys, I'm telling you. His behavior screams baddie to me.

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:1) Dr. Fetus fails to hide 2 nights in a row, clearly inactive
2) Rose is inactive enough to be replaced by Mongoose
3) Mongoose = Dr. Fetus?

You're probably wondering why I'm here (and so am I, so am I.) My Warp Zone fun did not proceed as planned.

Now hold on a cotton-picking minute. If Dr. Fetus believes he (or she) has a lead on someone, maybe he (or she) is not hiding so that the Final Showdown comes quicker? Presumably, if the doctor wins said showdown, the game ends.

I think this makes an awful lot of assumptions about the Doctor. I can't imagine that he would be advantaged by an early confrontation. Othewise there would be no point in the hide mechanic at all.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:So to confirm, no one has died from lynch votes yet?

I have.

You sir, are a gentleman and a liar.

I am also reading you as a civ this game. How the heck did you end up getting so many votes though this far anyway?

I'm unreadable and people fear that. They also hate what they fear.

Mongoose wrote:So to confirm, no one has died from lynch votes yet?

I have.

1) Dr. Fetus fails to hide 2 nights in a row, clearly inactive
2) Rose is inactive enough to be replaced by Mongoose
3) Mongoose = Dr. Fetus?

You're probably wondering why I'm here (and so am I, so am I.) My Warp Zone fun did not proceed as planned.

I'm doing a warp zone, but I won't say which one, Baddieslang!

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Going for a baddie with fewer lives seems logical to me.

Also, it's a good idea to actually go for a baddie instead of me, who is not one.

NO U

Also, answered your questions. Responses?

I don't think your response made sense, honestly. If I wanted to hide inconspicuously in a warp zone, why would I have announced it while voting was still going on? I don't see how you think that is a baddie play.

Elohcin wrote:Going for a baddie with fewer lives seems logical to me.

Also, it's a good idea to actually go for a baddie instead of me, who is not one.

The main reason I suspect Baddieslang is him coming after me for saying I was going to select a warp zone. He still has not answered my questions about it being more shifty to go to one without telling anyone or about his not going after the people who have already been removed from the poll in the past.

I think he jumped on something in an effort to scapegoat me without thinking it through, and now he's caught.

Mister Rearranger wrote:What leads you guys to think 14+ lives is strange?

Granted, there are plenty of other reasons to suspect Llama (and believe me, I'm now considering them all), but I'm not following that one. :/

They are all probably weak, with very few lives to spare. Let's vote for them and make them die.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Boomslang wrote: Yeah, 14 votes and surviving starts to look a bit fishy.

Exactly. Either he is Dr. Fetus or there is some other reason that we aren't aware of.

Maybe I am just awesome. Did you ever consider that?

Boomslang wrote: Yeah, 14 votes and surviving starts to look a bit fishy.

Answer my questions from earlier, Baddieslang!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It sure is lucky MP gave me those extra lives for inventing a contest and then winning it. Thanks, MP!

As amused as I was, I did no such thing.

Well now I just feel used.

It sure is lucky MP gave me those extra lives for inventing a contest and then winning it. Thanks, MP!

Epignosis wrote:I voted Boomslang.

Good call.

Hey Boomslang, why is it so super suspicious when I announce I am going to a warp zone, when if I really wanted to blend in I would just have gone without telling anyone? Hm? Are you going to call out Hedge and INH and BWT and MR for disappearing down warp zones too?

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Apparently, being off the poll also renders you silent. I'm going to hypothesize that this is a result of warp[ zoning. I'm picking a warp zone tonight, so if I disappear tomorrow, you will know why.

Convenient way to dodge suspicion and get off radar. You won't pick a warp zone if you're dead. *votes llama*

Oh, I don't think I'm going to be dead.

Apparently, being off the poll also renders you silent. I'm going to hypothesize that this is a result of warp[ zoning. I'm picking a warp zone tonight, so if I disappear tomorrow, you will know why.

Jigsaw wrote:Why wouldn't I vite for him If I think he's Doctor Fetus?

Because read the roles. That's why.

Jigsaw wrote:Okay guys, sorry I haven't been posting. But I need to tell you that I am not Doctor Fetus. I need to keep you guys updated more, and I'm sorry Devin, I just suspect you as being him...you're giving off a weird vibe..

If you think Devin is Dr. Fetus, why are you voting for him?

YOUR STORY IS FULL OF HOLES, JIGSAW, AND YOU ARE GOING DOWN!

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Ok... I'm going to cast the first vote today

Your bravery is an inspiration to us all. I will gladly help you kill the insidious Jigsaw.

Bandwagon, ho!

Bear in mind that voting for Dr. Fetus will not harm him at this point, HedgeBaddie.

birdwithteeth11 is off the poll today. Any comment on that BWT?

I am a) glad I was right about thinking Nev a civ
b) sad he is dead
c) glad we found Fetus
d) glad that he didn't hide, which means he is probably one of the less active players, which is a useful clue.

Nevinera wrote:I've been checking in 1-2 times per day, reading through the thread as fast as possible, and commenting only really in response to direct queries or votes.

If this turns out to be your baddie strategy, it's dashed clever and I will resent you for it.