The Syndicate

I guess since it's over I don't need dead red. And scratch that, he was the ultimate good guy.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:bloc
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"a center-left voting bloc"

Bloc Party is my favorite band.

Bloc Party is terrific!

Whew! Post length and multi-quotes are getting out of control, guys. For real.

MP, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking this afternoon, suspecting you. I actually think I'm seeing a good MP this game. Just a busy one.

Epi, you're also right. SIlly to think you'd be getting Mongoose lynched in the hopes of framing Devin and I. What I should have said was that I believe you planned to have her lynched with an eye to leading other lynches on people who did vote her. You're putting words in my mouth by saying I don't take responsibility for my vote. I voted her under my own power, and it was a mistake. I maintain that you misled me (and others) with your huge, in-hindsight-anything-but-solid case, but that doesn't mean I couldn't have ignored it if I wished. I still agree with Dom that you were already distancing by the time Day 2 started, and I think your quick turnaround to saying I am a weevil is a natural step in that progression.

The rest of what's happened since I posted last was tl;dr. For real, guys, rein it in. Please?

Linki: MR, what was your question for me? Happy to answer if I can find it.

Voting Epi. He's by far my biggest suspicion, and I doubt anything could change that by bedtime tonight.

I think Boomslang has a point that Vomps is just being silly now. I appreciate the humor of your play Vomps, even though I think it's a little mean to try getting under new players' nerves so much. But how are we supposed to play mafia with you when you refuse to do the things that the game is about, like talking about on-topic things?

I reread Dom, k4j, and A Person. I have absolutely nothing on A Person, he could very well be good or bad. I remember thinking he was suspicious a few days ago, but I can't remember why now. It just seems a standard game for him.

Dom has been contributing tons of good analysis, more than I'm used to from him. He seems to be thinking along similar lines as me regarding Epi, but he reached his conclusions before the Mongoose lynch, which I wish I had done. K4J uses TONS of multiquotes and abbreviations I don't know like IGMEOY and FOS, and makes long posts. Reading his posts sheds some light on KSiters for me. I'd love ot hear more from Summer regarding the suspicions directed at her (him?) especially.

I'm starting to think it's possible that MP, S~V~S, and Epi are all bad. Not necessarily on the same team, but bad.

I also think it's possible Mata was, because of the post below. She could've just been wrong about lots of stuff, but her opinions are so different from what I'm thinking, and her Mongoose vote seemed so reluctant. People are wondering why Mata got killed, because she may have drawn some suspicion today. I know when I'm a baddie, I consider other baddie teams a bigger threat than civs. If the other team thought she was bad, why not eliminate her instead of hoping she got lynched and waiting 2 nights? If she is bad, that assumes the other baddie team wasn't worried that one of their own would be under suspicion if she wasn't around. Obviously it's academic at this point, I'm just saying. Hopefully it makes sense to people.

Matahari wrote: I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

linki: Lizzy, fair enough. I wouldn't either if I weren't me. People were demanding more participation, and I got free time, so they got it all in one chunk.

Wow, now things are getting interesting!

Turnip Head wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Besides [A Person], though, I personally think that some more vocal debates have a better chance of leading us to baddies immediately than quiet players do. If others agree that would obviously work out well for me, since I've been quiet this game, so take it with a grain of salt.

Interesting. Why do you think this?

I think this because of a gut feeling that the major debates thus far this game have not been civ-on-civ. Unfortunately, since you seem a very analytical player, that might not make you happy, but it's my impression. I don't know who's on what side of these debates yet, which you probably also don't like.

Turnip Head wrote:That's great BWT but... aren't you dead, bro?

^ this made me chortle aloud.

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

I found this post very interesting. Epi argues pretty forcefully that he didn't back off of Mongoose, but my thought reading yesterday was that distancing was exactly what he was doing. After building the entire huge case against her, he voted for her relatively late, and he spent a BUNCH of time talking about how he was sketched out that so many people were following his lead. When he wrote up his vote post, it actually read to me as if he were dragging his feet about it and only voted for Mongoose out of some weird sense of responsibility and had dropped his suspicion of her entriely. I'm starting to think he was setting Devin, me, and others up for lynch, and it seems to be working so far.

tl;dr: I don't see why Epi would call Dom out so hard on a point that seems fairly obvious to me. Maybe others could weigh in on this?

As a relatively minor other note on this post, this: "I don't have a "civvie" game." read as ingenuine to me. It's super cocky, and I know as a civ I personally never ever feel cocky because I don't know what the hell is going on. I've seen Epi be bad a few times now, and I do think that if he has a baddie game, cockiness is probably part of it. So I don't feel good about Epi the tiniest bit this game. I'll probably vote him today, in fact.

Vompatti wrote: I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

Don't you mean you turely believe it will pay out?

S~V~S wrote:Ah, I see Vomp is using similar strategies in both games. Poor FZ, he's really messing with you, lol~

OK, I will think about this at work today. If i had to vote now, it would be between MP, Devin, & DP. Normally a post like Bullz' analysis of the Mongoose voters, but only the low posters, would ping the hell out of me, but I don't know that i agree with Epi on him, and he made some good points. Especially about DP~ I know DPs game pretty well, both bad and civ, and I don't see civ DP jumping on a bandwagon, he would vote a tangent, or even randomize later into the game than Day One. So that was rather blendy, and there is a difference between quiet and blendy.

MP (waits for the "No U") has made multiple versions of the same post this game:

"Sorry I am catching up"
"OK I have to catch up"
"I have not totally read the thread, but I have a few impressions"

"I always think SVS is bad, so i also think she is bad here"
"SVS made a suspicious vote for Mongoose"
"Not seeing the Devin suspicion"

This sounds to me like you are suspecting me becasue you think people expect you to suspect me, and if you did not suspect ME, they would suspect YOU. And that sounds like a baddie making an easy vote. I don;t think a civ MP would fall back on that when he was not caught up to the thread, and it sounds to me like you are trying to sound civ. And quite a few people made much more suspicious votes for Mongoose than I (like Devin, for example). I stated my reasons for suspecting her clearly, repeatedly & early.

And Devins whole game has pinged me since the beginning, and I have said so more than once. That last vote especially.

So off to work, between this being a super busy time of year for me at work, and our hiliday party being today, doubt i will be back until tonight.

I also found this post super interesting. I never have any sort of read on DP, so I'm glad to hear from someone who does. I don't know what DP would or wouldn't do, but I have seen him throw away votes or self-vote much later in games than this.

I see your point about MP being less involved than usual, even for a busy MP. It is the holidays, though, and I'm certainly not one to throw stones as far as uninvolvement this game. I'll try to keep him in mind, but what I've seen so far doesn't make me think he's certainly bad. And to be fair, you do always suspect MP, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Bullzeye wrote:
When I talk about people latching onto Epig's thoughts, this is a perfect example of what I mean:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Mp, you want my opinion? I will vote anyone Epi votes for this time (as long as it's within the range of people I am thinking of). As SVS said before, he shook the mighty tree and got some great results. And I want to see more results dammit! Mongoose has been a bit strange (disregarding the OT stuff). AP is the one making me most suspicious of her, though. He is super talkative for the normal Matt (I like this! Unfortunately for him it makes me suspicious of him...).

I don't understand why any civ ever would say they're voting for whoever another player votes unless they know for certain that that player is a civ. Doesn't make sense, especially as there's no real reason for someone to be that sure of anybody's role this early in the game. Devin voted before Epi in the end, but still based his vote on who he thought Epi would vote for:
I'm fairly suspicious of him, mostly because of his constant requests for death and the fact he voted purely based on the fact that he expected Epi to be voting the same person. Devin is a huge question mark for me.

This is an interesting point. I do disagree with Dev's entire idea of voting whoever Epi did and not voting based on the case against Mongoose, and I can see why people think he's bad. I am not one of those people, though. I don't claim to be an expert on civvie Dev, so I could be wrong, but I think I'm seeing him here so far. To be sure, his play has been uncharacteristically sloppy so far, regardless of role. Why he'd want to be lynched I'm not sure, but I know he truly cares about his teammates when he has BTSC. I don't think he'd ask to die if he had BTSC for their sakes. As a civ you feel less connected to your team, so it doesn't seem as harmful to them to be killed, even though it really is.

Those are my thoughts so far on people I'm familiar with who have hit my radar. I have had a surprisingly hard time this game reading the KSiters. Thanks to you guys for coming in; the fresh blood is knocking me (and many others, I'm sure) out of comfort zones. I also appreciate you being so active and expecting us to be. I used to do demand more active civs too, but eventually gave up, so hopefully it happens.

Linki: the posts Dev has just been making reinforce my read that he is civ and just very busy and low on energy, like me. I will now officially be suspicious of his voters.

Bullzeye wrote:
Russtifinko was second to vote for her, another very busy player with commitments keeping him out. Claimed he'll be back in full force today. He didn't really mention Mongoose before he cast his vote, and implied that he was doing it at least partially because of Epig's thoughts:

Russtifinko wrote:Just popping in to vote. I'll be really sad if Epi has fooled/misled ne again, but there's no denying mongoose is acting weird. I don't think the cross-posting makes her bad, but general tone has made me a bit nervous

I find this a very fair analysis of my play so far. Obviously my promise of being back in full force today did not happen; I'm sorry for that. Hopefully tomorrow (but more likely Tuesday) I'll be bale to put some thoughts together in thread, but I'm tired now. My trip to Rome was very very nice but also exhausting. I do think there is a lot to go on, though. I'm still having trouble deciding whether I'm seeing good Epi or not. I vaguely remember being suspcious of A Person and then forgetting about it; I unjustly contribute to his lynches a fair bit, but I want to look back at him. Besides him, though, I personally think that some more vocal debates have a better chance of leading us to baddies immediately than quiet players do. If others agree that would obviously work out well for me, since I've been quiet this game, so take it with a grain of salt.

Anyway, talk to you all tomorrow! I almost voted just now thinking it was time, but lo! We still have a day. Which is good because I'd like to do a lot more thinking about it before I decide.

Just popping in to vote. I'll be really sad if Epi has fooled/misled ne again, but there's no denying mongoose is acting weird. I don't think the cross-posting makes her bad, but general tone has made me a bit nervous

Just a heads up everyone, I will be in Rome from tomorrow until Sunday and likely won't participate very much. I'll try to keep abreast about what's happening and to vote, but it may or may not happen, if I'm being honest. Apologies in advance if I don't, and if I'm still alive on Sunday I'll be back in more or less full force then.

Alrighty then! Very strange result, especially after an 8-way tie.....Should have been a 9-way tie, but forgetting to vote despite posting my intention to do so is quickly becoming my calling card, which I hate.

Turnip Head wrote:*grabs the mic*

Hello, game! Sorry for not getting into the thread sooner than this. Yesterday I was busy getting my soul crushed by my fantasy football team. And then today I was busy forgetting that this had begun. (Where's the embarrassed emoticon?)

I've barely watched any WWE in my day, so I'm missing the nostalgia factor and the theme-knowledge factor. But that's okay, because

I AM THE TURNIP HEAD. And as a head of turnip, I did not grow up in your world. In the lands of turnips where I come from, wrestling doesn't exist, and neither does futbol. For years I have let WWE toil away in the ignorant spaces of my mind. I have been content to mock its structure. Its flair for the OVERLY DRAMATIC. The cheesy monologues. The atrocious acting.

But none of that matters, because the truth is that there's plenty of scum out there. And it is up to us to not be ignorant; to bring it forth into the light, to expose the lies, to bring justice to this ham-filled world of posers and phoneys.

With this in mind, I read this post:

FZ. wrote:Before I leave for bed, there was one person, who I can't remember the name who was posting a lot of fluff (off topic) back and forth with A person (I think that was him, not sure). I remember expecting that person to be done with the fluff and start saying something with meat, but it didn't come. Now I don't remember who it was. Does anyone remember that? I think they were talking about names in another site, or something like that.

And it seems baity to I. FZ throws out some accusations at an idea, wanting someone else to do the research to tie supposed baddie behavior with a player. I don't really know how to explain how this post came off to me, but the word "manipulative" definitely comes to mind, which is not a word I associate with civvieness. Did anyone fall for it? Did anyone find what FZ was talking about? Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ didn't go back and look for himself?

I also saw some talk regarding the Ksite and how they don't lynch anyone on Day 1 sometimes? Turnip Head wonders how this works. Is there a "No Lynch" option? And does that really end up working out in the civvie's best interests? As often as Day 1 ends in tragedy, it also ultimately ends up providing useful info. A No Lynch doesn't seem to create any leads. What's the upside there?

I also disagree with the notion that a baddie lynch on Day 1 leads to complacency. It can lead to that, but we - being the great mafia players that we are - won't be sated by just one baddie lynch. We. Want. More.

Speaking of bloodthirst, it eeks from every pore of this post:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Now that I am caught up!!! I'm not sure about Mongoose. I feel like every time this happens with her we end up roasting a civ goose... But go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing the result

Devin has seen with his omnipotent mind that Mongoose gets lynched as a civvie for whatever reasons she's being suspected now, but Devin has no qualms with this potentially happening again. Devin only wants results. He doesn't seem to care what those results are. This seems to me an uneasy amount of curiosity.

Other than those posts, not much has stood out to me. I'm trying to get a feel for the player base since there's plenty of people here I've never played with. There's quite a bit of talking in this thread already, though some posts were light on substance and heavy on eye-searing quote-within-a-quote-within-a-quote-within-a-quote boxes.

Although I'm sure this post of mine isn't exactly easy on the eyes either, so I'll stop here.

Also, I loved pretty much everything about this post.

Nothing I have seen so far makes Mongoose look bad to me. MP, maybe there's something to your Epi suspicion, but I don't have a strong enough read on him to vote that way yet. I am going to bed now, so I'll vote Captain Bunny Killer, and I urge everyone to bandwagon. He kills bunnies, and that's not nice!

I do think NO U's are an interesting thing to be discussing, and I love that the KSiters have opened up these big metagame discussions for us! I always tend to think people are bad when they NO U, but now that I think of it I'm not totally sure why. I know I avoid doing it, as well, because people tend to take it as evidence you are bad, or at least can't build a coherent case against your opponent, so you tend to die a lot when you do it.

Darn it, Mongoose! I get finished Shawshanking for the night and come in here to catch up and think I'm reading really interesting stuff, only to find out in the very last post that you're putting Shawshank stuff in WWE!? AAAARGH!

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No thoughts at all yet, Summer or FZ, on whom you will vote for?

I just said I'd vote for Epig the post before.

Oh, LOL, my bad! I missed that somehow. Is he the only one to catch your eye?

To be honest, I'm having a hard time keeping up with two games and this one has a lot more catching up to do (I blame the my Ksite friends for talking too much ) not to mention too many new names. My strategy this game is trying to focus on one person who catches my eye. And when I see something that I feel I need to comment on something, I do. But I'm taking my time with this game.
Mongoose was one that I thought was suspicious. After what's gone down today, I'm not sure what to think about her. I don't know her and maybe I should trust those who know her better, but I hate "obvious" evidence. I think 90% of the time, it's civvies that make mistakes that seem scummy and obvious.

I agree with the bold completely. I did not expect these games to start at the same time, or to be so....big.

Gaaah, so much posting! And I missed the Day 0 poll. Sad day