The Syndicate

And voted boy george

And that's why I didn't want to lynch LT (again).

Well, I still don't think LT is bad. *voting llama*

Alright, I'm not going to quote pull because I'm lazy, but I did a brief re-read of HeMan (I would suggest others do the same, there isn't that much of substance to worry about), and I'm starting to lean that way for my vote, for several reasons.

In the early game, I can see him having been indie, and not particularly worried about who got lynched (his vote for me because I voted LT, posts that made absolutely no sense in regards to my vote, etc).

I could see him having been recruited a few days ago now (pre-MP lynch). He did not vote for MP in that lynch, which could have been him not wanting to throw a teammate under the bus. I could be also see it being post-MP lynch, it is possible he was recruited the following night by vomp (of the 2, I'd say this is more likely). If we assume ticking bomb (the role I believe was recruited to that team, and I'm basing all this as HeMan being) got recruited as a result of Penny no longer searching (and we assume The A-Team was a result of Penny finding MacGyver), that would match up to HeMan joining that team just in time for it to die out, hence why he quite happily threw Vomp under the bus along, but prior to that had no votes that were part of a consensus that didn't suck.

In addition to He Man, I'm also thinking llama. I think llama has a pretty solid chance of being on the other baddie team, based on a whole bunch of things others have pointed out throughout the game.

Of the two, at this point I'd lean voting He Man, since I'd still like to get rid of an entire baddie team to prevent the possibility of double targeting NKs, and I think that he's our best candidate there. That being said, weakening the other team is good too, and leaving both teams alive at least gives us the chance that NKs may hit baddies and not civvies.

I wouldn't consider any of the other names I've brought up earlier to be off the table, but I think I'll be going with He Man or llama this time around.

And if either of you cares to respond to me, I'd be more interested in reasons why I should be voting for the other one than questions about why I'm considering the two of you (I've gotten a lot of those this game, and while it's fair to ask, it doesn't help me make decisions when the entirety of the post is just asking me how I came upon deciding a specific person may be bad, as almost everything I've done this game, including susing out both MP and Vomps came from a single thing earlier in the game in which MP messed up big time, probably without realizing it). I think that's a reasonable request as you both have looked at the other as suspicious at one point or another IIRC.

As for everyone else, thoughts? Not specifically on these two unless you have something to add to why they may be suspicious or not, and specifically I would like the thoughts of the A-Team on llama, and any information the A-Team can give us on the possibility that ticking bomb would have been recruited the same night period the A-Team came into the game.

Lastly, I'm curious if anyone has a read on Russ at all. I don't believe I mentioned him as someone I'm leaning civvie or baddie on earlier, and that's mostly because he's escaped my notice the entire game.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Oh, and while I'm at it, what made you take Kate off your list?

She isn't on the poll.

Your still on it because I have no reason to think you're civvie.

The A Team wrote:Poor Reywas RIP my friend -odd choice for the kill no one could understand the poor kid!

Looks like Dex won't be a problem to understand. His words are are just jumbled almost easy as pie compared to Reywas.

So hope we are looking at llama, FH, LT2 and possibly HeMan.
What do we think about Snow Dog and Kate?

Thoughts?

I would sub LT2 with BWT. Kate is off the poll, but she was someone I was considering for today, guess that's off the table. At this point I don't see snow dog being bad.

So ya, my list for today (in no particular order) is BWT, FH, llama and HeMan.

Flyin' High wrote:Again, is the only reason I'm a suspect because of the chemistry book? Which has already been shown to not be entirely accurate? Is there any reason people suspect me outside of a gossip role which we have no clue how they derive their information? A-Team? Boo? Mostly directed at you since you appear to be my main accusers currently. I'm honestly curious. I'd like something other than a gossip role to defend against.

I didn't trust AATB in general, you haven't done anything, but you replaced someone I think was probably bad.

That being said, if I'm wrong, I'm going to guess the role MP and Vomp recruited was Assorted Chemicals, as that was Vomps role-hinted, and if they had recruited that role he could have safely hinted at it without having to worry about anyone calling him out on it.

I'm still not sure both baddie teams having a recruit makes sense. With the way the power is listed, it makes it sound like they would have multiple recruits if it was a power.

I could see the Ticking Bomb going to one of the teams (searching players to find a baddie, and then joining their team or something along those lines). But 4 baddies becoming at least 6 + 2 indies (one of whom is probably non-civvie oriented) means there would be 7 non-civvie aligned players in the game, really destroying the civvie numbers advantage (8-7 total). I just can't see it being like that.

I wouldn't worry about figuring out what rey means. I'm going to guess this is a result of the post he made yesterday where he messed up and posted in English, so hopefully it's done at the end of the night.

voted billie jean.

Unsurprising but good lynch outcome.

As for the possibility of recruits, I do not believe that to be the case. There were 4 baddies, and 2 indies (1 of whom may be civvie now, I think penny + MacGyver may = A Team as a result now), but the other indie is (imo) likely baddie/LMSing oriented.

I do think there may have been a Superman (Dex's game on RM a while back) like event that resulted in the two teams merging, but I can't see both of them recruiting someone. I think the unlisted baddie powers are probably similar to civvie ones that... swiss army knife (I think) and another civvie role share, which would rule out recruiting (I would guess stuff like the insanifcation, role blocking, maybe the sawyer language thing, although I would guess that was a result of something different).

Anyways, as for the remaining baddies... thoughts? I'm thinking kate for one, and perhaps AATB (FH) for a second. I could also see He-man, llama, BWT.... a few more but those would probably be my top 5 as likely.

At least until we find the first baddie of that team, I think I'm ruling out reywas, JC, and LT, probably Dex and snow dog as well for people I can see being on that team (not to say I'm convinced any of them are civvies, I just can't see it based on my guesses for the other baddie team).

Russtifinko wrote:boo and LT: my initial reaction is really wanting to believe you both, but you have to realize neither of you has offered any actual evidence or reasons to believe you, at least not that someone in my position would understand. Boo, is the secret evidence you mentioned really something you don't want to share, or are you not allowed or something? Your post made it sound like you just didn't want to take the effort to write it down.

What do others make of the A-Team? We haven't gotten a chemistry book post yet, and my first thought was that they're an awesomer, more 80s version of that. It sounded to me like penny found MacGyver last night (great work by the way, penny!) and my guess is that the two events are related. This all makes me very inclined to listen to the A team.

Also, great that we avoided another lynch!

There are a few people that know it, that's enough for me since the reason isn't something solid (this is about why LT wouldn't be a baddie, your post kind of makes it sound like I may have a factual reason to say vomp is a baddie).

As for vomp being a baddie, I think his d2 vote (he was the lynch decider and said it was between me and MP and voted me, that was literally all there was to his post. I don't think a split decision going with me or MP in that lynch made any sense, so I don't think randomizing that vote between the two of us is honest).

And now he's gone and started role hinting. I don't buy it, if you want make people think you're a civvie, role hinting is probably the most lazy way to do it.

reywaS wrote:זה אמור להיות כיף.

"This should be fun."

That there's a useful post rey :P

The hebrew from the night post translated:
Now, you must place in Hebrew, at least 16 messages to each 48-hour period of the day.

So I guess 15 more messages from rey.

Well, I still don't think LT is a baddie. I was suspicious of INH for a time, but for some reasons I'm not interested in sharing (some of you know, and those who do I think would go to the top of my list if they were to come out against LT) I changed my mind days ago (not to say she's a civvie, just not at the top of my list as a baddie). We'll see how LT plays going forward, but I'm not ready to vote for her, and I don't think any civvie should. That being said, I can still understand the suspicion and can see civvie votes going there, but for today, it would be a mistake to do that.

I want to get rid of MPs teammate, and I am nearly certain that is not LT. If she is bad, it will be on the other team, and I don't think that should be today's concern. I'm reasonably confident vomp is either MPs teammate or an indy, and either way, those are roles I think we should be lynching (specifically his teammate, but I wouldn't be upset to see an indie lynched), so I'm fairly confident my vote will be going there.

Russtifinko wrote:Really sorry for triple posting! Want to get this down before I go to bed. FH, someone said you had a good spreadsheet that you might be willing to share, is that true?

And I either didn't know or had totally forgotten you were playing, but welcome (back?)!

Wasn't playing until just this night phase, she replaced AATB.

voted poison.

Dex wrote:One down, three to go! (Sorry MP, some day I'll get to see you play civ.) I was wrong about the affiliation but I'm OK with that.

As for his associate, of the four I'm suspecting Kate and Vomp voted for him and He-Man and Rusty Finko voted elsewise, making the latter two more suspect to my way of thinking.

I'm fairly confident vomp is his teammate, and that's probably where my vote is going tomorrow. It was pretty well clinched by the time he voted MP, and his D2 vote made ZERO sense as he said it was either me or MP (a split decision which made no sense), and it was the deciding vote in that lynch.

*voted MP* wasn't my plan for today, but at this point it doesn't make a difference anyways.

thellama73 wrote:

boo wrote:

Dex wrote:This has to be the most boring episode of MacGyver ever!

Well, I'm OK with this result as I suspect the hand of Ball of Twine or Mullet in this. It sure looks to me like peeps voted MP to save Roxy, and peeps then voted Boo to save MP.

You missed MacGyver (cannot be lynched while some roles that are still alive are alive).

Are you saying that you are MacGyver, boo?

No, I'm saying he missed a possibility.

Dex wrote:This has to be the most boring episode of MacGyver ever!

Well, I'm OK with this result as I suspect the hand of Ball of Twine or Mullet in this. It sure looks to me like peeps voted MP to save Roxy, and peeps then voted Boo to save MP.

You missed MacGyver (cannot be lynched while some roles that are still alive are alive).

Swiss Army knife, so I can stab me some obvious-baddies.

Nubs.

Vompatti wrote:Voted for boo in a hurry, could just as well have voted for MP.

Well this is the worst vote yet. Clearly someone is paying zero attention to what's going on or is a liar.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

boo wrote:Sorry LT, I didn't want to vote for you but staying alive and all that good stuff.

And, I didn't get a chance to post about my opinion on d1 voting philosophy, so here goes.

I always prefer voting non-participants if there are any and I don't think there are any good reasons to vote anyone else. It has nothing to do with my alignment, I've done it as a civvie and a baddie and at the very least tend to discuss like I did here, as I tend to bring up those names as votes I'm considering on d1 because I ALWAYS consider a non-participant for a d1 vote.

It is annoying to make the decision to replace or host kill a player. You eventually have to do that with a non-participant. Killing them (as a player of the game) makes sense to me because it prevents killing a person actually playing the game. I don't care about a persons alignment if they are not playing, what's the point of having them in the game? They are adding absolutely nothing to the game for other players, and I for one would much rather have an interesting game by keeping people playing it around then keeping around someone who isn't playing, regardless of their alignment. The only valid counter-argument to that in my mind is "But Winning..." and if that's the kind of game you like to play then I honestly consider your opinion worthless. It's a game played for fun, sure winning can be fun, but winning by eliminating active players and keeping your non-threats around is not interesting.

Anyways, moving on. I'm thinking INH (just all those posts didn't sit right with me), MP (started the LT train, I don't agree with a great deal of what he said), and Kate (of my voters, I think hers was the most nonsense. I didn't have a chance to read He-Mans post before I voted and made that post, I have no problem with his vote, I didn't want to see LT lynched on her birthday either) for d2 considerations, but we'll see how the night goes.

Thanks for clarifying, boo. I do agree it's nice to get rid of non-participants, but this early in the game it's impossible to know whether one of those players is civvie or baddie, and honestly getting rid of the baddies is obviously top priority.

I'm wondering about INH myself. I do find it weird that LT ended up getting lynched, especially when I said I didn't feel strong at all about her. INH does often get lynched unfairly as a civvie though, so I am a bit hesitant, and I'm not sure we saw a baddie INH or not. I'm leaning to think that we didn't, but I don't know.

Though I must ask, how does LT's birthday have anything to do with wanting to get her lynched or not? If she were a baddie, why would it matter whether it was her birthday?

I made a post saying I was thinking about voting for you at the start of N1, and you responded to that post, so obviously you know it happened. But hey, if you want to lie, go for it.

Well, I do think roxy is civvie, and I do think MP is bad. Of the three she mentioned when I asked her who she was thinking about voting, MP was the one I was already considering for today (INH being my other thought for today).

So, I'm going to go vote MP.

thellama73 wrote:The reason people think I am bad is that they are simply not familiar with my strategy (as I explained in the MOTU thread) that since I am a bad liar, I instead try to ALWAYS appear to be lying. That way no one can read me properly. This works well once people know I am doing it, but tends to get me killed when I play with people who are unfamiliar with my play style.

Or because you're bad? :P

Roxy wrote:Well then lynch me and get on with it then maybe players will realize what I am saying could be worth looking into.

My talk about randomization does not make sense to you even though you random'ed a vote yourself betwixt players hahaha funny very funny. What only your opinion makes sense? Thats rich I thought everyone was entitled to play their own way. Your focus remaining on this subject is quite noteworthy imo.

I am not throwing names out everything I have said about my suspicions are thread based anyone can see the same things I have seen.

We also were not talking about a year and half's worth of games - you sadi RECENT - hence my calling you out on the lie. You even said in HV how well you can read me. So now you can't. You can't b/c you are trying to lynch an important civ and that does not go along with what you already said.

Keep up contridicting yourself and once I am lynched and proved right you will be next unless these civs are as foolish as those on the HV game and they keep you around to win for the baddies.


Linky nice latch on Snow Dog with NONE of your own suspicions or thoughts you vote me. Haha meet Baddie # 2.

I literally hope you guys don't get your way and the civs lose my role - one will feel it more strongly than the rest.

Linky again haha you get your wish MP AND i hope to goodness that after I am lynched you will be next since chewing gum is dead and cannot bring me back.

Well, other then the auger thing (which I'm not with you at all, maybe you had info d0, you were a civvie, that's how you got off hte poll, and you figure the baddies had info? But it isn't something I'm very confident of).

Anyways, I'm not certain about voting for you, but based on the votes so far, if you have a chance of not getting lynched you'll need everyone not convinced enough to vote you to vote with you against someone else. So, who are you thinking?

He-Man wrote:Well MP. I can't read you, your baddie game is amazing! So I'm not sure how I'm gonna cope with you in future games, I'm very weary of you tbh doesn't mean your good or bad.

I'm looking at Boo right now, I think he slipped yesterday with his vote for LT, it was very much throw her name out there gauge the reaction then come and vote. Very cute IMO.

Also INH he gets a lot of heat I'm not sold on him being bad right now, but I'm not against a INH vote.p
I'm kinda lost, I kinda lost my mafia swagger this game I think I was so involved in MOTU it drained me lol. I can't seem to read anyone. You all have my

WTF are you talking about? I never said I was going to vote LT or mentioned her until I voted her, because she had taken the most votes and I had taken several, so I voted her to extend her lead over me so I wouldn't get lynched. I wanted to vote BWT.

And voting gel now so I don't need to think about voting for that later. I think those come in the smallest containers (?), so running out of gel first makes sense to me.

Sorry LT, I didn't want to vote for you but staying alive and all that good stuff.

And, I didn't get a chance to post about my opinion on d1 voting philosophy, so here goes.

I always prefer voting non-participants if there are any and I don't think there are any good reasons to vote anyone else. It has nothing to do with my alignment, I've done it as a civvie and a baddie and at the very least tend to discuss like I did here, as I tend to bring up those names as votes I'm considering on d1 because I ALWAYS consider a non-participant for a d1 vote.

It is annoying to make the decision to replace or host kill a player. You eventually have to do that with a non-participant. Killing them (as a player of the game) makes sense to me because it prevents killing a person actually playing the game. I don't care about a persons alignment if they are not playing, what's the point of having them in the game? They are adding absolutely nothing to the game for other players, and I for one would much rather have an interesting game by keeping people playing it around then keeping around someone who isn't playing, regardless of their alignment. The only valid counter-argument to that in my mind is "But Winning..." and if that's the kind of game you like to play then I honestly consider your opinion worthless. It's a game played for fun, sure winning can be fun, but winning by eliminating active players and keeping your non-threats around is not interesting.

Anyways, moving on. I'm thinking INH (just all those posts didn't sit right with me), MP (started the LT train, I don't agree with a great deal of what he said), and Kate (of my voters, I think hers was the most nonsense. I didn't have a chance to read He-Mans post before I voted and made that post, I have no problem with his vote, I didn't want to see LT lynched on her birthday either) for d2 considerations, but we'll see how the night goes.

Well, I have 2 votes because apparently people feel like being ridiculous, so I'm safety voting. Sorry LT, but I know I'm civvie, I don't know about you.

I'll be looking at my voters in the future because those votes are nonsense. I hadn't voted when I said that, I was stating intentions if nothing else came up.

Anyways, heading to class so I need to vote now, sorry LT. *votes LT*

thellama73 wrote:Do the baddies have BTSC with each other (within their respective teams)? If so, wouldn't non-participation tend to indicate civvie-ness? (This was pointed out me at the beginning of the MOTU game, in which I was a little overzealous about going after non-participants)

I never really get that argument. It assumes he's checked in (which because he hasn't posted it seems reasonable to assume he has not) and assumes the person he got BTSC with has some means of contacting him off site (and I'm sure there are plenty of people who do not). So no, I don't think so.

Plus, it's d1, do you expect (or have) a better reason to vote someone? We have random voting or voting for a non-participant as I see it right now. I'd rather vote someone who isn't playing then vote someone who is.

BWT is the only one who hasn't posted yet I believe. So if that doesn't change before I need to vote and nothing interesting comes up I'll probably vote for him.

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