The Syndicate

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:08 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads
All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.
If they didn't poison me I would have gotten the gun and they would have been guarenteed safety

So my townreads are far more important because that suggests a group of players who despite having safety if I got the gun (pretty much guarenteed i would have), didn't end up giving me the gun. This is a super good look for any "oh x player could have gotten one more vote on their side the wouldn't kill" etc. This game it is not one more vote, it is the whole kill and that is something mafia always want someone townreading them to have. So in a sitatuion like this, if my reads are greatly off and I am nearly guarenteed the gun, mafia would let me live and give me the gun. Maybe there is one mafia in my whole town pool, and they are protecting someone I was shooting at. But even in this world you would still look at the poe I was looking at, not me 5 or 6 townreads that has a chance of one scum among them, it is just bad play and you are greatly reducing chances of hitting scum.

Everything after you say after the bolded is predicated on it. I'm pretty sure the only person who believes it though is you. People were moving away from voting for you yesterday, not to you.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:03 pm boo is town

Yes, although I'm not sure if you're supposed to be able to confidently state that if you are...

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:50 pm I doubt scum jack poisons me btw considering i was strongly townreading him a lot of yesterday and changed the shot off him last night, regardless of how widely townread I am. That is unless a different partner needed me dead, but worth thinking about. I would say I am likely dying for being consensus town so my scumreads while a good reference point aren't going to be everything, but mafia I am townreading would still have no reason to want me dead. So if anything probably take away my townread from my death rather than my scumreads

All townreads of someone poisoned are inherently irrelevant.

Once poisoned, you cannot get the gun. Who you trust is not going to weigh into who will then be shot the night after you die.

SR reads can be more relevant, if the mafia think they'll hold enough water to result in someone you suspect getting shot.

So, as with most mafia kills, it all boils down to WIFOM of "would they kill someone to (soon) shut them up, so people ignore their SR" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... ah shit, they weren't actually relevant and we got town" vs "their SR are relevant and we should listen to them... but maybe they expected that, so let's not listen!" vs etc, etc.

The only useful takeaway from your being poisoned is that the mafia we have here went for the unimaginative option. You were the runnerup for the gun, and in general unlikely to ever be shot, and poisoning you means you cannot get the gun today. Those are all directly useful things we don't have to wonder about them thinking, they're why you're the unimaginative option. But the mafia can't control if and how your reads come into play by deciding to kill you. It's even WIFOM for them until it goes through, because they don't know how the town will react to it.

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:39 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:12 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why
I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.
Why not shoot me first tho?
If jack flip should give you info about me shouldnt my death also provide info for jack?

I just dont buy it. It sounds bad and it is bad.

You called me scum but never bothered to explain why
You called my theory about dusk dumb but never bothered to explain why

To me you are just smoke but no fire. Your accusations have no substance and thus you yourself have no substance. And i am perfectly okay if you get shot

No, he connects to you in certain demonstrable ways he has shown. It doesn't flip in the other direction.

I didn't call it dumb, I called it wrong.

To me, it doesn't matter what I am to you. You aren't going to get the gun today, so I don't need to preventing you from wanting to shoot me, and I don't want you shot yet, so it doesn't serve the order of my suspicions to go after you with every reason I have for it.

You're stuck in the mindset of there being lynches. View it all outside of that, and then let that make you play differently, and maybe it will make some sense to you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:26 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:20 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm

Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?
Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.
I'm accusing you of scumreading her, townreading her and then scumreading her again. And in the end, your certainty that I am scum is worth about as much as your certainty that Nutella was scum.
So I guess your inability to read one ISO, applies to all ISOs then. Because again, I didn't townread her.
Then why did you vote to give her the gun?
You're referring to something that happened at the beginning of the day, before I thought she was mafia. The order of events matters, even if you are reading things backwards.
Where's all this hostility coming from? It doesn't read like someone trying to figure me out. It reads like someone trying to make me look bad.

You do look bad. I already see it, I don't need to figure it out. Now it's up to other people if they see it. Pointing it out via hostility is the path of least resistance, because of the degree to which you were wrong.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:22 pm Boo what is your dragomir read btw I can't remember?

I dunno if I've mentioned him, so that might be why.

He isn't someone who ever sticks out to me long enough to consider. I know I've played a game where he got lynched D1 or 2 as mafia, and even then I had no idea why it went down with so much support. That hasn't really been different here. I've seen him tossed about, and I've opened his ISO, but it's just a blank wall for me. There's just more interesting people to look at.

Today I'll be tunneling Jack. Being wrong about nutella made me lose a lot of interest in this game, but now that I have that it's what I want to deal with.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:20 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.
I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.
Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?
Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.
I'm accusing you of scumreading her, townreading her and then scumreading her again. And in the end, your certainty that I am scum is worth about as much as your certainty that Nutella was scum.
So I guess your inability to read one ISO, applies to all ISOs then. Because again, I didn't townread her.
Then why did you vote to give her the gun?

You're referring to something that happened at the beginning of the day, before I thought she was mafia. The order of events matters, even if you are reading things backwards.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.
I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.
Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?
Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.
I'm accusing you of scumreading her, townreading her and then scumreading her again. And in the end, your certainty that I am scum is worth about as much as your certainty that Nutella was scum.

So I guess your inability to read one ISO, applies to all ISOs then. Because again, I didn't townread her.

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:03 pm What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why

I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.
I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.
Along with Nutella? Who you voted for to shoot Mac after calling her scum and then later called her scum again?

Sorry, so are you accusing me of flip flopping on her, or going after her too hard? Seriously man, get that straight before trying to shittalk.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm In reading Boo's iso, I'm seeing more aggression than hunting. Is that normal? @Sloonei @MacDougall

Like the previous post is a perfect example. He's not calling me scum. He's shoving me. Most of his iso is that. The rest is him flip flopping on Nutella and Duskfall reads.

I'd be okay with shooting this considering we're going to see less damning stuff in this setup than normal.

I didn't flip flop on nutella, I called her mafia all day. I also didn't really flip flop on Dusk. I didn't trust him, but I never would've gone for shooting him.

And while addressing my calling you out on not actually doing a proper read of Dusk, you didn't actually explain how you got that bad of information from reading his ISO.

So, here you are then: you're mafia Jack. Along with Johann. I wish there was a third J to include. JJJ, come sub in so we can shoot you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:51 pm Skimming Dusk's iso, I think he was poisoned for being a consensus townread, not for having particularly scary reads since he was mostly after Hyena and Nutella and not even that harshly. Pushes my Hyena read south slightly all the same.

So here is our player list with players I have a reason to townread besides "Idk they feel pretty townie" (ie Hyena and Nanook) are crossed out

boo
Dragomir
DrWilgy
Duskfall
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Hyena
Jackofhearts2005
Johann
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

So let's look at...

boo
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

Those first three.

That was a little heavy on the 'skimming' part of looking over his ISO, if that's your take-away from his D1 reads.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:24 am ayy johann is so town so town so town

the drago read is spicy

The Drago read is parroting the thread.

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 7:55 am If i was mafia i would poison person that has the gun. I wouldnt concern myself with reducing number of people that can use the gun. I would concern myself with people that decide who gets the gun

Mafia can get the gun too. If i can remove townies that decide who get the gun i can give gun to fellow mafia

That being said mafia not doing that means they have an agenda behind their poison. Who ever had the gun is way more trustful than Dusk cause they got a gun. By poisoning someone you also confirm them as town. You dont wanna confirn that many people during day phase. Its nuts. So i believe mafia killed Dusk cause he hit a nail on who is scum

You'd be using the poison while mafia wrong, then.

And most of what you say here is logic so bad it feels forced.

Your teammates should get to reigning you in before you dig this hole deeper.

I'll add, the only time I get the issue where it brings me to the top of the page, is when the new post is my own (or one of them in the case of there being 2+ new posts), because I'll quote into a new tab so I can get caught up and also have stuff ready to be replied to so I don't have to go back and find the posts.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:53 pm It also takes me to the top of the page which is weird

A few people have mentioned that problem on mobile, either going to the top or to the first page. I don't have a fix rn. I suspect it'll require a board update. But for now, the mobile experience is pretty all over the place.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:53 pm If it’s a good point, then it’s a reason to take him out of your shot pool. If it isn’t, then it isn’t a good point.

Also hitting the “X new posts in topic” on mobile makes me lose my post #shootboountilhefixesit

Yes, it's a refresh and there isn't a draft save for posts.

RIP LA. It's still the shot I would've taken Mac, so fairplay. I thought you had psyched yourself up for Jack though. I think you had that gut read right.

I want the gun. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:28 pm Why were so many people town reading Hyena? He feels way scummy and his FG interactions are hamfisted.
I was working with him (and Gman kinda boarded that train toward EoD) because he was approaching things in a similar enough way to me that it was a better alternative. I don't townread. I'm not sure that I trust him. I don't agree with you about FG though.
You don't think his interactions with FG are hamfisted?
I didn't at the time. I'll re-read it though, and get you more specific thoughts.

Yea, I still think FG comes out of it looking worse. But I'd rank it as being pretty ambivalent about both of them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:28 pm Why were so many people town reading Hyena? He feels way scummy and his FG interactions are hamfisted.
I was working with him (and Gman kinda boarded that train toward EoD) because he was approaching things in a similar enough way to me that it was a better alternative. I don't townread. I'm not sure that I trust him. I don't agree with you about FG though.
You don't think his interactions with FG are hamfisted?

I didn't at the time. I'll re-read it though, and get you more specific thoughts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:28 pm Why were so many people town reading Hyena? He feels way scummy and his FG interactions are hamfisted.

I was working with him (and Gman kinda boarded that train toward EoD) because he was approaching things in a similar enough way to me that it was a better alternative. I don't townread. I'm not sure that I trust him. I don't agree with you about FG though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:22 pm @boo @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Duskfall @Johann

Give me names of you never want me to kill and who you want me to kill? Just one name for each please.

Too early to put someone in the never kill column, imo.

nutella for kill.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:21 pm Can somebody please fix this mechanic where when you're trying to submit your post but keep getting redirected because of some posts that were made which you didn't see? It's so fucking annoying and I find it incredibly stupid. I do not need to read those new posts right away.

It's an intentional thing. I'm pretty sure it's been turned off in games where it's been found to be annoying then useful in the past though. But I don't think it can be done on an individuals preference.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:21 pm Damn it there are no shit players in this game I'm just gonna shoot Wilgy for not playing.

He should be getting replaced, per the rules.

For people who want him to read the thread, you're both continuing to pile on pretty hard. Give him a minute. All you're going to accomplish now is make him go into that read with a stronger bias against you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm Interesting. Rather than trying to help me find the right shot you're just going to scum read me. How pointless.
I tried to help. I suggested funny. You refused. Maybe try bussing your other teammate then.

When's the AtE going to start?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:09 pm Btw mac not being able to take a joke is like, that's just me in general. I am a hypocrite and over sensitive lol.

So you're Republican then?

the poll

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[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:56 pm Jack isn't here. He's not moving his vote off me. The ONLY chance we have to avoid giving Dusk the gone is by piling on to me right now.

or mac, again.

Sloonei is way to in on self-preservation mode.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:46 pm [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

@boo @G-Man come vote for me, again. I think we can do this?

[VOTE: hyena] aubergine

if gman is here, yea.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Did Dusk ever vote for me while votes were shifting all over the place?

no

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:17 pm I mean signatures*

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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:08 pm [VOTE: Boo] aubergine

Wagon this, y'all. This is town.

Sure, I like it better then Mac. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:06 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:02 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm
F-
You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.
Whoa, crazy, are we at the deadline right now?
Do you know something about Wilgy showing up in the next hour you'd like to share with the class?
No, that’s not my point at all.
I saw that... with a follow up to voting for the guy who wants to ... what was it Mac? "Ass blast Sloonei in the ass."? You drunk Sloonei?
Drunk on life, my boy.

Oh, so rolling? Have fun, play safe.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:04 pm Actually, boo, are you still around? Would you be up for moving to Dusk with me right now?

0% chance I'd vote Dusk. Pick someone else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:02 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm

This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.
That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?
F-
You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.
Whoa, crazy, are we at the deadline right now?
Do you know something about Wilgy showing up in the next hour you'd like to share with the class?
No, that’s not my point at all.

I saw that... with a follow up to voting for the guy who wants to ... what was it Mac? "Ass blast Sloonei in the ass."? You drunk Sloonei?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.
This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.
That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?
F-
You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.
Whoa, crazy, are we at the deadline right now?

Do you know something about Wilgy showing up in the next hour you'd like to share with the class?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:56 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.
This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.
That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?
F-

You just voted for someone currently on track to end the day with being replaced.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.
This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:44 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:41 pm I'm actually tilted bird are moving into mac because

"I had to consider long and hard to realise I've played here more"

Really that's the argument we are going with, you could give it literally any player then vote shifts seem to be looking for the excuse of someone else asking for it, why give to mac now but not Nanook earlier
It's not the reason I should have it over everyone. Just you and Hyena.

That aside I have a good early game radar.

It's no offence towards you. Putting the gun in your hands just seems like a bad idea.

And to be honest I don't really trust nutella and Sloonei enough to support them having it.
My problem isn't with you wanting the gun of course you want it, the problem is with the people just giving it to you and wanting you to have it, if anything it makes me believe I've more chance of being correct since there's no a shift off wanting me to have it
What can I say? People love me.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:18 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:52 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 pm Just to keep notes, these are the people who pushed against the towncore suggested by Nutella:

Jack
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

Dusk
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Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:39 am

Yeah, I'm just afraid to lock that group in as town especially at the beginning of D1.

There are players I can lock in as town after a post or two D1. Those players aren't on the list.
That's cool I agree

Johann
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Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 am Like i can go point by point and explain to you but that wouldnt change much. I just know you deserve a bullet.

Also i dislike these early reads - town cores, a monkey could do it since it is a small game and get some right. To me feels like people just wanna present themself to be active

Funny
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Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:10 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:08 pm

Does this mean you will give me the gun
rn, no. idg why you're a "billboard" town (what's a billboard). this towncore thing isn't something i agree with-- i think it's too early

I like Jack's and Dusk's pushback -- Jack, because he's going against the grain, and Dusk, because he asked Jack for clarification for what he meant before agreeing with the opinion.

Johann's pushback is a complete null to me. I didn't like that he shaded us, but he also suggested that people were doing it to look active, which is kinda funny to me. I want to say that he just didn't understand what we were doing? I dunno.
I'll admit that I don't really know how to read Funny's pushback, but it's the pushback I like least, and not only because she's the most recent to pushback against it.

ya and that's bs because i came in right at the beginning of the game telling people to be cautious about reads

Your ISO says "This is a lie!".

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:14 pm Since me and Dusk are tied again, I'm gonna move my vote back on to myself.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Remember, although competing wagons ARE good, we DON'T want to aim for ties here if possible, since there are actual consequences (no one getting a gun) if the top two wagons are tied.

Yea, I'd sooner let duskfall have it at EoD then let it be a tie. wasting the only method civs have of figuring anything out would be the dumbest play we could collectively make. But we still have a bit.

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] No, I don't think nutella is town. but I don't think you're town either. I wouldn't go so far as to partner you, way too early for that. but one of you is mafia. I'd probably shoot you over her, or at least argue for your inclusion in the short list over hers.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:59 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:22 pm I was not saying you would do the shooting. I was saying you were setting up getting me getting shot. You don't need the gun to direct where who gets it will aim it. And it's cleaner for mafia to not get it but have a hand in directing it.

And you know all of that, and it's the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what I have said; the first being when my talking about the mechanics was somehow trying to control what other people are doing.
boo = town

nutella = scum

this isn't distancing; it's not w/w

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:48 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:43 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 3:32 pm I don't get why we are assuming that the mafia team does not want the gun.
Because being directly responsible for killing a civ is never a good look.
Assuming someone is scum for having a bad read is never a good look.
Not being a good look isn't the same as assuming they're mafia. But if the shooter gets 4 choices to shoot from the thread, and shoots a civ, and then later one (or two) of those 4 turns out to be mafia, that would make re-examining the shooter necessary.

Civ deaths are always an inevitably, but making no effort to mine from those deaths is just wasteful.
Do you mean to reevaluate the player to see why interactions they had with those 2 players that flipped Mafia? If so, what does the player not shooting those mafia have to do with it? Wouldn't you find and read those interactions anyway when you see that a mafia had died regardless of who shot them?

Shooting a civ is almost as NAI as being inactive.

If someone has a subset of players to choose from (presented by the thread at large), when they have the gun, and shoot a civ, and later other members of that same subset turn out to be mafia, I'm saying it's an indication that the player is more likely then other people to be mafia as a result. I'm not saying it's by any means a guarantee, but we have nutella in what you quoted acting like how a person uses the gun isn't going to be useful in game solving. That makes as much sense as acting like a standard lynch can't help in game solving.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:50 pm I can’t explain why tbh cause I don’t really have any reason not to, just tinglies
Is it out of suspicion, or do you just not prefer the direction of my suspicions?
Yes.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:45 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:44 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:41 pm Nutella wants the gun

Nutella knows she is not getting the gun, so she is voting someone else to get the gun who she thinks is town

Nutella wants the gun as either alignment regardless, this is a ridiculous argument that you could literally replace all nutella for any player not named nanook duskfall or hyena and it would have as much ground as saying it about nutella

Boo, why don't you want the gun and why aren't you trying to get the gun?
I would take the gun, but I'm never going to get more then a total of 3 votes to receive it, so spending my time trying to get it would be wasted.
It’s weird your username says boo but I swear I read nutella talking. Bug maybe?

It's a similar line, from two very different people. Context.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:41 pm Nutella wants the gun

Nutella knows she is not getting the gun, so she is voting someone else to get the gun who she thinks is town

Nutella wants the gun as either alignment regardless, this is a ridiculous argument that you could literally replace all nutella for any player not named nanook duskfall or hyena and it would have as much ground as saying it about nutella

Boo, why don't you want the gun and why aren't you trying to get the gun?

I would take the gun, but I'm never going to get more then a total of 3 votes to receive it, so spending my time trying to get it would be wasted.

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